[Jack Lambert]

QUOTE=Jack Lambert;2092121]It does look dominant but I think the reason being is a lot of the more dominant programs across the state don't participate in the state title tournament in middle school, my reason for saying this is that this group of schools other than Belfry has not won many high school state titles.

If a team doesn't participate that doesn't take away the fact others won titles. Our region is loaded with good football, and as you can tell by the championships the region usually holds its own. I am not being a jerk, I honestly hope Boyle makes it to championship as does Corbin, I am feeling pretty good about that match up. As to the part about Belfry they don't pull em across the border till they get a chance to watch them grow as players the they take what they need to build power house program. That was not a shot at belfry either, so I don't want anyone to get butt hurt. I am saying that the studs like to play for Haywood not come and play middle school.[/QUOTE]

Not saying that or trying to make it look like the region is weak if teams like Boyle, Highlands Trinity, Danville, and Bowling Green had participated over the years I don't think this Region would have won so many titles with stiffer competition.

[plantmanky]

High School State Champions and Runner ups with KYMSFA teams

1A

2016 Beechwood Noel Rash 21-14 Hazard Mark Dixon Houchens-
2015 Pikeville Chris McNamee 42-28 Beechwood Noel Rash
2014 Mayfield Joe Morris 28-27 OT Williamsburg Jerry Herron
2013 Mayfield Joe Morris 42-0 Williamsburg Jerry Herron
2012 Mayfield Joe Morris 55-8 VACATED (Fairview) Nathan McPeek Houchens-
2011 Hazard Mark Dixon 24-6 Mayfield Joe Morris
2010 Mayfield Joe Morris 47-6 Hazard Mark Dixon
2009 Lexington Christian Paul Rains 55-19 Mayfield Joe Morris Green
2008 Beechwood Noel Rash 14-7 Hazard Mark Dixon

Beechwood - no, didnt have a middle school team till 2012
Pikeville yes
mayfield yes
hazard yes
Williamsburg - yes
LCA - yes

so 5 out of 6 teams.

[plantmanky]

2016 Christian Academy-Lou. Stefan LeFors 24-6 Danville Clay Clevenger
2015 Mayfield Joe Morris 17-7 Newport Central Catholic Dan Wagner
2014 DeSales Harold Davis 26-0 Newport Central Catholic Dan
2013 DeSales Harold Davis 34-26 Newport Central Catholic Dan
2012 Newport Central Catholic Eddie Eviston 30-26 Caldwell County David Barnes
2011 Holy Cross (Cov.) Bruce Kozerski 33-14 Glasgow Rick Wood
2010 Newport Central Catholic Eddie Eviston 42-0 Owensboro Catholic John Edge
2009 Fort Campbell Shawn Berner 29-9 DeSales Mark Sander
2008 Fort Campbell Shawn Berner 26-23 Newport Central Catholic Bob Schneider

2A

CAL - yes
Danville - has been varries year to year
Mayfield - Yes
NCC - no
DeSales - no
Caldwell - was until 2015
Holy Cross - no, doesnt have middle school team
Glagow - yes
Owensboro Cath - yes
Fort Campbell - no


4 members, 2 part time members, 3 non members, 1 no middle school team

[plantmanky]

2016 Belfry Philip Haywood 52-31 Central Tyrran Scroggins
2015 Belfry Philip Haywood 43-0 Lexington Catholic Mark Perry
2014 Belfry Philip Haywood 14-7 Central Tyrran Scroggins
2013 Belfry Philip Haywood 3-0 Wayne County Shawn Thompson
2012 Central Tyrran Scroggins 12-6 (OT) Belfry Philip Haywood
2011 Central Tyrran Scroggins 15-14 Belfry Philip Haywood
2010 Central Tyrran Scroggins 46-7 Belfry Philip Haywood
2009 Paducah Tilghman Randy Wyatt 21-0 Somerset Robbie Lucas
2008 Central Tyrran Scroggins 40-19 Breathitt County Mike Holcomb

3A

Belfry - Yes
Central - Yes
Lex Cath - Yes
Wayne Co - yes
Somerset - Yes
Paducah Tilghman - was until 2016
Breathitt co- no

5 yes, 1 part time, 1 no

[plantmanky]

2016 Johnson Central Jim Matney 48-0 Franklin-Simpson Doug Preston
2015 South Warren Brandon Smith 36-6 Johnson Central Jim Matney
2014 Highlands Brian Weinrich 49-42 Owensboro Joe Prince
2013 Collins Jerry Lucas 37-34 Highlands Dale Mueller
2012 Highlands Dale Mueller 47-0 Collins Jerry Lucas
2011 Highlands Dale Mueller 42-14 Franklin-Simpson Tim Schlosser
2010 Boyle County Larry French 21-14 Allen Co.-Scottsville Brad Hood
2009 Boyle County Larry French 42-39 (2OT) Lone Oak Jack Haskins
2008 Bell County Dudley Hilton 15-13 Bullitt East Doug Preston

4A

Johnson Central - Yes
Franklin Simpson - Yes
South Warren - Yes
Collins - yes
Owensboro - Yes (Member but doesnt play in playoffs)
Highlands - Yes (Member but doesnt play in playoffs)
Boyle Co - Yes
Allen co - Goes in and out
Lone Oak - was when the team existed
Bell Co - yes
Bullitt east - doesnt have middle school football


6 Yes, 2 Yes but doesnt play, 1 Goes in and out, 1 Yes when Team existed, 1 no middle school football.

[plantmanky]

2016 Bowling Green Kevin Wallace 70-22 Pulaski County John Hines
2015 Bowling Green Kevin Wallace 21-7 Pulaski County John Hines
2014 Pulaski County John Hines 14-7 Graves County Lance Gregory
2013 Bowling Green Kevin Wallace 49-14 Pulaski County John Hines
2012 Bowling Green Kevin Wallace 34-20 Cooper Randy Borchers
2011 Bowling Green Kevin Wallace 55-3 Anderson County Mark Peach
2010 Highlands Dale Mueller 50-0 Christian County Steve Lovelace
2009 Highlands Dale Mueller 35-7 John Hardin Mark Brown
2008 Highlands Dale Mueller 35-15 Christian County Steve Lovelace

5A

Bowling Green - yes
Pulaski Co - yes
Graves Co - yes
Cooper - yes (First year of middle school team was 2017)
Anderson Co - yes
Highlands - Yes (doesnt play in playoffs)
Christian Co - yes
John Hardin - was until 2016

6 Yes, 1 Yes (doesnt play in playoffs), 1 was until 2016

[plantmanky]

2016 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 56-21 Lafayette Eric Shaw
2015 Male Chris Wolfe 41-14 Lafayette Eric Shaw
2014 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 47-14 Dixie Heights David Brossart
2013 Scott County Jim McKee 21-14 Meade County Larry Mofield
2012 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 61-7 Pleasure Ridge Park Jason Hiser
2011 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 62-21 Scott County Jim McKee
2010 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 38-0 Male Chris Wolfe
2009 St. Xavier Mike Glaser 34-10 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty
2008 Trinity (Louisville) Bob Beatty 48-0 Simon Kenton Jeff Marksberry

6A

Trinity - no
Lafayette - no
Male - Yes
Dixie - no
Scott Co - yes
PRP - yes
Simon Kenton - no

3 Yes, 4 no

[plantmanky]

Seems to be a fair amount of the teams that play for have played for a state title in HS.

[Bossdaddy 4115]

If a team doesn't participate that doesn't take away the fact others won titles. Our region is loaded with good football, and as you can tell by the championships the region usually holds its own. I am not being a jerk, I honestly hope Boyle makes it to championship as does Corbin, I am feeling pretty good about that match up. As to the part about Belfry they don't pull em across the border till they get a chance to watch them grow as players the they take what they need to build power house program. That was not a shot at belfry either, so I don't want anyone to get butt hurt. I am saying that the studs like to play for Haywood not come and play middle school.

Not saying that or trying to make it look like the region is weak if teams like Boyle, Highlands Trinity, Danville, and Bowling Green had participated over the years I don't think this Region would have won so many titles with stiffer competition.[/QUOTE]

Ok no one stopped them from participating, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. As plant man showed earlier most teams did. IMO Boyle had a good team a few years ago, and now they have some world beaters, time will tell. That doesn't discredit anyone else because someone chose not to play, period. TBH most teams like Boyle doesn't play until they have a group they think they can win with. I will go even a little further, how many teams won that didn't combine grades to build power house teams, I do know that Corbin doesn't allow them to play as one they recongnize 7th and 8th. With that being said does Boyle have any 7th graders on there team

[Jack Lambert]

Not saying that or trying to make it look like the region is weak if teams like Boyle, Highlands Trinity, Danville, and Bowling Green had participated over the years I don't think this Region would have won so many titles with stiffer competition.

Ok no one stopped them from participating, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. As plant man showed earlier most teams did. IMO Boyle had a good team a few years ago, and now they have some world beaters, time will tell. That doesn't discredit anyone else because someone chose not to play, period. TBH most teams like Boyle doesn't play until they have a group they think they can win with. I will go even a little further, how many teams won that didn't combine grades to build power house teams, I do know that Corbin doesn't allow them to play as one they recongnize 7th and 8th. With that being said does Boyle have any 7th graders on there team[/QUOTE]

Like I said earlier not trying to discredit anyone, I know this region has always been strong. The Boyle 8th grade team from a few years ago that you speak of are sophomores now and IMO were a much better team than this years team, and the only reason Boyle has never competed in this tournament is simply because the previous coaches had no interest in it this is coach Gavans first year and the fact that Boyle has seven state titles means that they have had the talent to play and compete in this tournament.

[Bossdaddy 4115]

Ok no one stopped them from participating, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. As plant man showed earlier most teams did. IMO Boyle had a good team a few years ago, and now they have some world beaters, time will tell. That doesn't discredit anyone else because someone chose not to play, period. TBH most teams like Boyle doesn't play until they have a group they think they can win with. I will go even a little further, how many teams won that didn't combine grades to build power house teams, I do know that Corbin doesn't allow them to play as one they recongnize 7th and 8th. With that being said does Boyle have any 7th graders on there team

Like I said earlier not trying to discredit anyone, I know this region has always been strong. The Boyle 8th grade team from a few years ago that you speak of are sophomores now and IMO were a much better team than this years team, and the only reason Boyle has never competed in this tournament is simply because the previous coaches had no interest in it this is coach Gavans first year and the fact that Boyle has seven state titles means that they have had the talent to play and compete in this tournament.[/QUOTE]


The 7 state championships is a great accomplishment. Although that is a high school championship composed of a combined 4 class groups to form one team, talk about that on high school. This is a middle school forum and we are talking about middle school championships they are composed of a single class. We are pulling this way off topic so I am done responding, why doesn't Boyle have a 7 th grade team involved, do they not recognize 7th or do they combine to make team have a little more talent.

[Jack Lambert]

Like I said earlier not trying to discredit anyone, I know this region has always been strong. The Boyle 8th grade team from a few years ago that you speak of are sophomores now and IMO were a much better team than this years team, and the only reason Boyle has never competed in this tournament is simply because the previous coaches had no interest in it this is coach Gavans first year and the fact that Boyle has seven state titles means that they have had the talent to play and compete in this tournament.

The 7 state championships is a great accomplishment. Although that is a high school championship composed of a combined 4 class groups to form one team, talk about that on high school. This is a middle school forum and we are talking about middle school championships they are composed of a single class. We are pulling this way off topic so I am done responding, why doesn't Boyle have a 7 th grade team involved, do they not recognize 7th or do they combine to make team have a little more talent.[/QUOTE]

Can't really answer your question about 7th and 8th grade combined this is a new coaching staff for Boyle I do know they had a 7th grade team that played a full schedule, but my guess would be that some 7th graders probably do play up, I do know from my son playing middle school football that for all the teams in Boyle's conference it's common place for 7th graders to play up.

[Rebel55]

Boyle up 36-0 at the half over Taylor County.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Boyle up 36-0 at the half over Taylor County.

Well that settles that

[Bossdaddy 4115]

Sounds like there offense matches up well with us, when we played Taylor at Taylor we pulled starters at 40 something and then tc scored twice second half on us. Looks like defense may settle it if they both make it

[Jack Lambert]

I was told the final was 45-0 Boyle, didn't get to go went camping this weekend.

[RunItUpTheGut]

What were the region 4 scores from today?

[Rebel Down]

Like I said earlier not trying to discredit anyone, I know this region has always been strong. The Boyle 8th grade team from a few years ago that you speak of are sophomores now and IMO were a much better team than this years team, and the only reason Boyle has never competed in this tournament is simply because the previous coaches had no interest in it this is coach Gavans first year and the fact that Boyle has seven state titles means that they have had the talent to play and compete in this tournament.

The 7 state championships is a great accomplishment. Although that is a high school championship composed of a combined 4 class groups to form one team, talk about that on high school. This is a middle school forum and we are talking about middle school championships they are composed of a single class. We are pulling this way off topic so I am done responding, why doesn't Boyle have a 7 th grade team involved, do they not recognize 7th or do they combine to make team have a little more talent.[/QUOTE]

The Salt River Conference doesn't do 7th grade and 8th grade teams. They do an A Team (composed of the players at all levels that can compete at that level) and everyone else is on the B Team to develop them on a different level.

What is amazing is that the Salt River Conference titles that have been won (banners in the school) fall in line with state titles almost exactly.

[Bossdaddy 4115]

What were the region 4 scores from today?

Corbin 7th 34-8 over north
Corbin 40-20 over kc
Pulaski over Whitley 14-0
Not sure of Meece and the burg

[Bossdaddy 4115]

The 7 state championships is a great accomplishment. Although that is a high school championship composed of a combined 4 class groups to form one team, talk about that on high school. This is a middle school forum and we are talking about middle school championships they are composed of a single class. We are pulling this way off topic so I am done responding, why doesn't Boyle have a 7 th grade team involved, do they not recognize 7th or do they combine to make team have a little more talent.

The Salt River Conference doesn't do 7th grade and 8th grade teams. They do an A Team (composed of the players at all levels that can compete at that level) and everyone else is on the B Team to develop them on a different level.

What is amazing is that the Salt River Conference titles that have been won (banners in the school) fall in line with state titles almost exactly.[/QUOTE]

As they should because your using essentially the same groups as upper classmen in high school as you did in middle example combined 7th and 8th would be your junior senior class. That’s what makes middles school so awesome to watch is that teams with that one powerhouse class example 8th only can beat some of these schools or at least compete with what will be another schools junior senior class. Like in our situation in the past most groups that won in 7th also won next year in 8th. That’s why the middle school programs that excel there high schools in 7 out of 10 times are good. Now that theory doesn’t apply to school that have more than one school feeding one high school.

[Rebel Down]

The Salt River Conference doesn't do 7th grade and 8th grade teams. They do an A Team (composed of the players at all levels that can compete at that level) and everyone else is on the B Team to develop them on a different level.

What is amazing is that the Salt River Conference titles that have been won (banners in the school) fall in line with state titles almost exactly.

As they should because your using essentially the same groups as upper classmen in high school as you did in middle example combined 7th and 8th would be your junior senior class. That’s what makes middles school so awesome to watch is that teams with that one powerhouse class example 8th only can beat some of these schools or at least compete with what will be another schools junior senior class. Like in our situation in the past most groups that won in 7th also won next year in 8th. That’s why the middle school programs that excel there high schools in 7 out of 10 times are good. Now that theory doesn’t apply to school that have more than one school feeding one high school.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, I think you're taking this middle school state title thing way too serious. Although winning this tourney would be a great accomplishment, the only thing that really matters is high school state championships.

[Jack Lambert]

I would say there are way more middle schools with 7th graders playing up on 8th grade teams than not.

[Bossdaddy 4115]

As they should because your using essentially the same groups as upper classmen in high school as you did in middle example combined 7th and 8th would be your junior senior class. That’s what makes middles school so awesome to watch is that teams with that one powerhouse class example 8th only can beat some of these schools or at least compete with what will be another schools junior senior class. Like in our situation in the past most groups that won in 7th also won next year in 8th. That’s why the middle school programs that excel there high schools in 7 out of 10 times are good. Now that theory doesn’t apply to school that have more than one school feeding one high school.

With all due respect, I think you're taking this middle school state title thing way too serious. Although winning this tourney would be a great accomplishment, the only thing that really matters is high school state championships.[/QUOTE]

With all do respect my oldest son plays for Corbin and has won state championships in middle school, I know the importants hopefully we meet up in December and debate that there. My youngest son has his chance to compete for a middle school state championship and it is very important to me and him and it is still an amazing accomplishment, if you don’t feel so then why are you on the middle school state tournament threads other than to be troll. If you think it’s not important then you are missing out on some enjoyable football and teaching kids while they are young the rewards of there hard work and instilling a winning tradition. Get a life and don’t worry about me

[Bossdaddy 4115]

I would say there are way more middle schools with 7th graders playing up on 8th grade teams than not.

I agree 100 percent, that’s why I brought it up. Those who excel in middle generally have a strong upper class or like in Boyle’s situation have a strong sophomore group, and next year will have a good junior and freshman group. Two strong classes can make a good run. That’s all my point was. Look at Belfry every group on there roster won state and now they have four strong classes. They have been the reason we haven’t made it the past couple years, hopefully this year we flip the script. Won’t know till thanksgiving weekend.

[LCKnight33]

I got to see Boyle in person again yesterday, and I can say they have improved a lot. With that said, I have talked about Boyle having to tackle a good running back, and due to what I was told from TC almost their entire backfield was injured. Boyle has yet to have to tackle a healthy backfield.

This week they can't avoid it, they will be tackling at 6'3 250 pound man who can run as fast any other player on the field. Boyle will have to stop the most dominant player in the state to win this one and I just don't see it happening.

Barrett and Corbin in the finals is my projection.

[BCFF]

You would probably have Boyle losing if they ended up winning state! I just read your posts and laugh every time. We may lose next game or we may win.I do know for a fact that we spanked Lexington Catholic and not once have I said they are a bad team. We will find out just how weak the SRC is in the next couple of years though. I look forward to meeting Lexington Catholic again.

[Jack Lambert]

You would probably have Boyle losing if they ended up winning state! I just read your posts and laugh every time. We may lose next game or we may win.I do know for a fact that we spanked Lexington Catholic and not once have I said they are a bad team. We will find out just how weak the SRC is in the next couple of years though. I look forward to meeting Lexington Catholic again.

I agree I think his feelings are still hurt over the Boyle Catholic game.

[Jack Lambert]

I got to see Boyle in person again yesterday, and I can say they have improved a lot. With that said, I have talked about Boyle having to tackle a good running back, and due to what I was told from TC almost their entire backfield was injured. Boyle has yet to have to tackle a healthy backfield.

This week they can't avoid it, they will be tackling at 6'3 250 pound man who can run as fast any other player on the field. Boyle will have to stop the most dominant player in the state to win this one and I just don't see it happening.

Barrett and Corbin in the finals is my projection.

It seems this young man keeps growing every time you post about him, by game time he's going to be 6'6" 270lbs he's already bigger than Jerome Bettie as an 8th grader.

[LCKnight33]

It seems this young man keeps growing every time you post about him, by game time he's going to be 6'6" 270lbs he's already bigger than Jerome Bettie as an 8th grader.

I have never posted about him before, I will say look up jcps schools and watch the video of him. If you don't know the kid then that's fine but he is that size.

[Jack Lambert]

I got to see Boyle in person again yesterday, and I can say they have improved a lot. With that said, I have talked about Boyle having to tackle a good running back, and due to what I was told from TC almost their entire backfield was injured. Boyle has yet to have to tackle a healthy backfield.

This week they can't avoid it, they will be tackling at 6'3 250 pound man who can run as fast any other player on the field. Boyle will have to stop the most dominant player in the state to win this one and I just don't see it happening.

Barrett and Corbin in the finals is my projection.

Looking at scores Boyle beat Lexington Catholic 49-8, Elkhorn beat Lexington Catholic 14-6, Barrett beats Elkhorn 32-30, by what reasoning do you think Barrett can play with or beat Boyle?