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09-25-2017, 12:10 AM
Hereâs the losses of Highlands during these DECADES 60s-15, 70s-22, 80s-20, 90s-21 and 2000 thru 2010-22. That shows some down years. Highlands new coach has lost 18 games in 2 1/2 years. It just doesnât lie.
09-25-2017, 04:13 AM
If highlands wants a new coach....why Shouldnt Simon Kenton be clambering for a regime change? What in the world have they accomplished? With the entire populous of Kenton county and beyond at their disposal, why can't they progress? They play a "2a" schedule and get booted in the playoffs and pat themselves on the back at the banquet for having a phenomenal year.
I get it and you are likely right. But who you going after?
I get it and you are likely right. But who you going after?
09-25-2017, 04:24 AM
Youâre right about SK. Iâm interested to see their last 2 games. Camels and Ryle. As far as Highlands is concerned. Mueller wonât come back. Homer Rice wonât either. And Owen Hauck passed away.
09-25-2017, 02:43 PM
Woodsman Wrote:If highlands wants a new coach....why Shouldnt Simon Kenton be clambering for a regime change? What in the world have they accomplished? With the entire populous of Kenton county and beyond at their disposal, why can't they progress? They play a "2a" schedule and get booted in the playoffs and pat themselves on the back at the banquet for having a phenomenal year.
I get it and you are likely right. But who you going after?
What is a 2a schedule ?
09-25-2017, 02:54 PM
bo67 Wrote:Hereâs the losses of Highlands during these DECADES 60s-15, 70s-22, 80s-20, 90s-21 and 2000 thru 2010-22. That shows some down years. Highlands new coach has lost 18 games in 2 1/2 years. It just doesnât lie.
is the coach the only problem ?
09-25-2017, 02:56 PM
75% of it
09-25-2017, 03:51 PM
The Blue birds will be back, give this Coaching staff some time.
09-25-2017, 03:58 PM
bo67 Wrote:75% of it
I can tell you have a lot of hatred for this coach; I do not know the guy so no personal feelings either way but I do have some concerns with what I see coaching wise during the games. My question to you is, in your opinion, what is he doing wrong in running/coaching this team? Besides coaching change, what do you think needs to change to be more successful? Do these kids like playing for him or has he lost their respect?
09-25-2017, 05:43 PM
There players unfortunately never got to play for Mueller. They never got to know his personality and coaching greatness. Iâm not sure if the players like this coach. Heâs totally different from Mueller. Things donât last forever. He refuses to play his best players both ways. But I doubt theyâre in shape to do it. The running conditioning is suspect. Quit trying to be a pro team. Go back to basics. Two backs at all times. And get under center more. 2 receivers are enough. You can always use a running back on certain pass plays. They can score now. But canât stop anyone. Run a 4-3 or 5-2 defense. The 3-5 isnât working and either did the 3-4. And if some of your offensive guys could go both ways. It would be a much improved defense.
09-25-2017, 09:28 PM
Mueller always had a real good offense. Defense was so so. His mindset was to out score teams. If they score 40. We will score 50. He knew his defenses werenât great defenses. The offense was put in by Cris Collinsworth. They knew patterns like out, post, flag, take off ect. Then it became sticks, fade, seam, skinny posts. ect. All NFL terminology. Mueller very smart. And with Collinsworth help. He became smarter. Mueller got by with plattoning. He did not field his best defensive team. Cause no one went both ways. The offense was pure explosive. Several good running backs. 12 good receivers. And groomed good QBs. How good would those defenses be with some playing defense. The offense was overloaded with talent. Those days for now are over.
09-26-2017, 03:26 AM
bo67 Wrote:Mueller always had a real good offense. Defense was so so. His mindset was to out score teams. If they score 40. We will score 50. He knew his defenses werenât great defenses. The offense was put in by Cris Collinsworth. They knew patterns like out, post, flag, take off ect. Then it became sticks, fade, seam, skinny posts. ect. All NFL terminology. Mueller very smart. And with Collinsworth help. He became smarter. Mueller got by with plattoning. He did not field his best defensive team. Cause no one went both ways. The offense was pure explosive. Several good running backs. 12 good receivers. And groomed good QBs. How good would those defenses be with some playing defense. The offense was overloaded with talent. Those days for now are over.
I agree with a lot of what you say and they need new blood in there for sure. They need to play best players both way and Mueller did do that with a bunch. Hamblen, ulbricht, Gibson, Grover, fennel and that's just a few. Even smith played some defense. That system was great and Mueller was great coach. Running backs were ok after Frisk and weren't used nearly as much after him. Time for Weinrich to go, they just need a change and with the money they could throw around a top hs coach should be easy to get.
09-26-2017, 02:25 PM
bo67 Wrote:Mueller always had a real good offense. Defense was so so. His mindset was to out score teams. If they score 40. We will score 50. He knew his defenses werenât great defenses. The offense was put in by Cris Collinsworth. They knew patterns like out, post, flag, take off ect. Then it became sticks, fade, seam, skinny posts. ect. All NFL terminology. Mueller very smart. And with Collinsworth help. He became smarter. Mueller got by with plattoning. He did not field his best defensive team. Cause no one went both ways. The offense was pure explosive. Several good running backs. 12 good receivers. And groomed good QBs. How good would those defenses be with some playing defense. The offense was overloaded with talent. Those days for now are over.
How do they get back to those days? if they went after a different coach who would it be?
09-26-2017, 02:31 PM
bo67 Wrote:Mueller always had a real good offense. Defense was so so. His mindset was to out score teams. If they score 40. We will score 50. He knew his defenses werenât great defenses. The offense was put in by Cris Collinsworth. They knew patterns like out, post, flag, take off ect. Then it became sticks, fade, seam, skinny posts. ect. All NFL terminology. Mueller very smart. And with Collinsworth help. He became smarter. Mueller got by with plattoning. He did not field his best defensive team. Cause no one went both ways. The offense was pure explosive. Several good running backs. 12 good receivers. And groomed good QBs. How good would those defenses be with some playing defense. The offense was overloaded with talent. Those days for now are over.
They used those terms for routes well before Collinsworth ever coached there.
09-26-2017, 02:45 PM
bo67 Wrote:There players unfortunately never got to play for Mueller. They never got to know his personality and coaching greatness. I’m not sure if the players like this coach. He’s totally different from Mueller. Things don’t last forever. He refuses to play his best players both ways. But I doubt they’re in shape to do it. The running conditioning is suspect. Quit trying to be a pro team. Go back to basics. Two backs at all times. And get under center more. 2 receivers are enough. You can always use a running back on certain pass plays. They can score now. But can’t stop anyone. Run a 4-3 or 5-2 defense. The 3-5 isn’t working and either did the 3-4. And if some of your offensive guys could go both ways. It would be a much improved defense.
When was the last time they did any of that? I don't think I remember a time when they exclusively used two backs. I know, without a doubt, the last time they ran a normal offensive set (not goaline/fourth down) under center prior to BW getting the HC position, was 2005. The 3-5 defense seemed to work pretty darn well from 2004-2013/14.
You say you coached there but I am really having a hard time placing a timespan on when you coached. I assume it was recent based on your perception of the program.
09-26-2017, 03:31 PM
Highlands has lost their mystique. They are just another team now.
09-26-2017, 05:42 PM
This is the first year of 3-5 defense. Itâs been 3-4. Quit the 6 to 10 receiver rotation and use some on defense. If 4 canât play a whole game. They arenât in shape. I played both ways my Jr and Sr year. And NEVER was tired after a game. Might be sore on Saturday. But never tired. At this point Iâd try anything to have ball control with ball security. Why try to score in 3 minutes when you canât stop anyone??? 2 backs and running the ball will open up passing game. They are too predictable.
09-26-2017, 05:43 PM
Believe what you want about Collinsworth pass route names
09-26-2017, 07:13 PM
How would Highlands know how to change names of old pass route names. How did they learn. Sticks, Fade, Numbers, Seam ect. Those are way beyond high school level
09-26-2017, 07:50 PM
bo67 Wrote:How would Highlands know how to change names of old pass route names. How did they learn. Sticks, Fade, Numbers, Seam ect. Those are way beyond high school level
Highlands invented football, get with the program.... Or was that Mayfield? Whichever one it was, they both know everything there is to know... and their fans know twice as much!
09-26-2017, 08:20 PM
Oh ok. They are Godâs
09-26-2017, 08:24 PM
Since when is a fade route NFL terminology? Seems more fitting to place it in the "backyard football" section.
09-26-2017, 08:53 PM
bo67 Wrote:This is the first year of 3-5 defense. Itâs been 3-4. Quit the 6 to 10 receiver rotation and use some on defense. If 4 canât play a whole game. They arenât in shape. I played both ways my Jr and Sr year. And NEVER was tired after a game. Might be sore on Saturday. But never tired. At this point Iâd try anything to have ball control with ball security. Why try to score in 3 minutes when you canât stop anyone??? 2 backs and running the ball will open up passing game. They are too predictable.
This is absolutely not the first year of 3-5 defense. I know this for fact as I played 3 years of the 3-5 defense under Mueller.
09-26-2017, 08:59 PM
bo67 Wrote:Mueller always had a real good offense. Defense was so so. His mindset was to out score teams. If they score 40. We will score 50. He knew his defenses werenât great defenses. The offense was put in by Cris Collinsworth. They knew patterns like out, post, flag, take off ect. Then it became sticks, fade, seam, skinny posts. ect. All NFL terminology. Mueller very smart. And with Collinsworth help. He became smarter. Mueller got by with plattoning. He did not field his best defensive team. Cause no one went both ways. The offense was pure explosive. Several good running backs. 12 good receivers. And groomed good QBs. How good would those defenses be with some playing defense. The offense was overloaded with talent. Those days for now are over.
I played before Collinsworth came on board and I caught plenty of sticks, fades, skinny posts etc (because that is what the routes were called)... I really don't think you have a clue as to what you are talking about.
09-26-2017, 10:55 PM
ProudPanther Wrote:Highlands invented football, get with the program.... Or was that Mayfield? Whichever one it was, they both know everything there is to know... and their fans know twice as much!
You forgot about Belfry.
09-26-2017, 11:31 PM
ProudPanther Wrote:Highlands invented football, get with the program.... Or was that Mayfield? Whichever one it was, they both know everything there is to know... and their fans know twice as much!
Trinity didn't invent football, but we did perfect it. :thumpsup:
09-27-2017, 12:11 PM
YouDontKnow. Well one thing I do know. I forgot more than you know.
09-27-2017, 12:24 PM
Ok if people say so. I stand corrected on route terminology at Highlands. But I do know this. When Collinsworth spoke. Mueller listened.
09-27-2017, 01:42 PM
bo67 Wrote:Ok if people say so. I stand corrected on route terminology at Highlands. But I do know this. When Collinsworth spoke. Mueller listened.
No doubt about this.
09-27-2017, 01:44 PM
bo67 Wrote:YouDontKnow. Well one thing I do know. I forgot more than you know.
Good for you, we aren't wearing leather helmets anymore.
09-27-2017, 02:14 PM
bo67 Wrote:This is the first year of 3-5 defense. Itâs been 3-4. Quit the 6 to 10 receiver rotation and use some on defense. If 4 canât play a whole game. They arenât in shape. I played both ways my Jr and Sr year. And NEVER was tired after a game. Might be sore on Saturday. But never tired. At this point Iâd try anything to have ball control with ball security. Why try to score in 3 minutes when you canât stop anyone??? 2 backs and running the ball will open up passing game. They are too predictable.
Since you said you played there. How do you not know that during their streak of state titles under Mueller they ran a 3-5 on defense at the start of the streak? Because they DID!
A 3-4 becomes a 5-2 if a team has 2 TE's. The OLB's walk down on a TE if it is on their side.
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