[Orange Blaze]

You can't eliminate all recruiting or "talent flow" as the term someone used on a thread before. Some independent schools have very porous boundaries or are allowed to accept students outside the city limits. Also some counties with multiple schools allow students to attend schools in the county other than the one their address would suggest. At least these are situations I have heard of from people who live in areas where this is reportedly the case. It seems very rare to have a "One-school county" make it to the finals. Pulaski and Belfry have other schools in their county and talent sometimes flows to one particular school or swings from one school to others over a period of years. Anyone know the last school from a one-school county to make the finals?

In 2013 Scott County beat Meade County for the 6A title and I believe both are one school counties. Wayne County also made it in 3A that year.

[Iam4thecats]

Pulaski is not a good example of talent flowing to one school in a county. While PC has been making its run Southwestern has been making a resurgence under Larry French winning district and beating PC at least one of those years they went to the finals. One of the reasons Meade, Scott, Pulaski, Wayne and others have been able to make a run is part luck, part playoff structure and mostly instead of making excuses they ask why not us and figure out how to get a mature well coached group out on the field in November.

[ColtPride]

Here we go again. Every year.

[CarzyRock]

I'm a private school guy and this measure is fine by me. I think a 1.25 or 1.3 multiplier would be more fair, though.

[wildcats fan]

I think that all private schools should not be allowed to compete with the public schools. they should have two separate divisions

[bobcats#1fan]

Yes

[oldschool77]

Not bashing anyone's school but there is some tendency to go to a traditionally successful program if it is possible. Johnson County, Boyle and Pulaski are examples of where two or more programs both remain successful. There are other areas where a talent vacuum surrounds an independent district when the talent is allowed to flow into that independent system.

[Oldtiger]

This is a great thread, I have a questions for someone who knows the answer.

1. In an independent school how is it decided who goes there, is it geographic area such as city limits or is it a matter of family choosing where their kids go?

[HOFER]

This is a great thread, I have a questions for someone who knows the answer.

1. In an independent school how is it decided who goes there, is it geographic area such as city limits or is it a matter of family choosing where their kids go?

I know at Corbin they have to live within the school district.

[Jarons]

Some people's ignorance about independent schools is amazing.

[HOFER]

Or pay tuition

[footballfever]

I know at Corbin they have to live within the school district.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[Leonards_loser]

:lmao:

I know at Corbin they have to live within the school district.

[Leonards_loser]

Or pay tuition

Forgot a few words in that statement........I'll fix it.


"Or they are supposed to pay tuition"

[Westside]

How do you handicap a 6A school like Trinity or St X?

[ky playmaker]

If you live in London and pay tuition to go to Corbin what's the difference in independent and private. Sounds about the same to me.

[Orange Blaze]

Independent schools are public schools because they receive federal funding. I don't know why that is hard to understand. Independent schools are independent because they are not affiliated with the larger county school system which gives them more freedom to create their own district policies. From an education standpoint I like the independent school model because it gives the school more flexibility to control the flow of students from within that town or county which can foster a better learning environment.

If you live out of district it is actually pretty hard to go to an independent school because they will be quick to send you packing back to the "county" school if you don't meet their standards. Independent schools are also at the mercy of the county school for allowing kids from the district of the county school to attend the independent school. In Greenup County for instance, it is very difficult for someone living in the Greenup County School district to attend Raceland or Russell because of the reciprocal attendance agreement that is in place and in a lot of cases the kids that attend those schools who live in Greenup County's district were grandfathered in a few years ago before Greenup started cracking down on allowing its students to leave the district.

[mysonis55]

I really don't think there is an option to put privates in their own group. There isn't enough of them. The 1.5 multiplier works though. I really think having them makes us better though. Just look at #2 2a of Ky thrashing what is currently #2 2a of TN. It makes us better. Just level the field. You take the 2a state champs over the past 5-6 years. Privates, mostly from Lou area where they recruit like crazy.

[Iam4thecats]

If you live in London and pay tuition to go to Corbin what's the difference in independent and private. Sounds about the same to me.

If you live in Corbin and pay tuition to go to South Laurel they are still both public schools. The ignorance is one thing but when people explain it and you guys still choose to remain that way its on you. If a public school chooses to close off tuition students with someone that is their choice imposed on themselves by themselves. Not the KHSAA. Every school in ky has the same KHSAA rulebook.

[ky playmaker]

South don't even have tuition. U can't go to south or north and not live here by paying tuition

[ky playmaker]

You could if the schools had reciprocal agreements but that's two different things.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Reciprocal agreements negate pretty much all the arguments saying independents have an advantage.
You no longer have to pay tuition if you live outside the district to attend another if they have that agreement.
For example Corbin and Whitley has one. If you live outside the city limits you can still go to corbin free of charge. This is why there is no reasin for anybody from Whitley to complain about Corbin recruiting. They don't have to anymore.
Schools figure they will get the same amount of kids off each other and they let it happen.
I think if one school gets more kids from the other instead of it being 50/50 then the money still gets evenly divided. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on that part.
Independents have absolutely no advantage what so ever but they especially don't have it in a place where there are reciprocal agreements are in effect

[ky playmaker]

Correct me if I am wrong cause I have never looked into it. I am just using Corbin as an example cause that's school I most familiar with. If the schools don't have reciprocal agreement with south or north or Knox the kids can still go to Corbin by paying tuition but a kid in Corbin or Knox etc can't got to south or north because they don't have tuition. That's the advantage I see and Corbin is located perfectly to really take advantage of it. I don't know of any public school that does take tuition. There may be some but I never heard of it

[Iam4thecats]

Correct me if I am wrong cause I have never looked into it. I am just using Corbin as an example cause that's school I most familiar with. If the schools don't have reciprocal agreement with south or north or Knox the kids can still go to Corbin by paying tuition but a kid in Corbin or Knox etc can't got to south or north because they don't have tuition. That's the advantage I see and Corbin is located perfectly to really take advantage of it. I don't know of any public school that does take tuition. There may be some but I never heard of it

You are wrong. Several of us have looked into it. So we don't come on here and make proclamations and then cover up saying "I haven't looked into it". We are trying to tell you and you wont listen. A Corbin and Knox student can go to South Laurel. If South doesn't want to charge them for being out of district that is their choice. Public schools are public schools. Its not very hard at all. The Kentucky department of education gives each school SEEK money for each student that attends school in their district. If South Laurel accepts a child from Knox KDE doesn't send SEEK money for that student. If South wants to educate that child for free they can or they can choose to charge tuition to the parents to offset the loss of SEEK money.

[OldJacket]

Reciprocal agreements negate pretty much all the arguments saying independents have an advantage.
You no longer have to pay tuition if you live outside the district to attend another if they have that agreement.
For example Corbin and Whitley has one. If you live outside the city limits you can still go to corbin free of charge. This is why there is no reasin for anybody from Whitley to complain about Corbin recruiting. They don't have to anymore.
Schools figure they will get the same amount of kids off each other and they let it happen.
I think if one school gets more kids from the other instead of it being 50/50 then the money still gets evenly divided. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong on that part.
Independents have absolutely no advantage what so ever but they especially don't have it in a place where there are reciprocal agreements are in effect

Gut the money is not split 50-50, remember you are paid on your average daily attendance not your total enrollment...I think most districts sign reciprocal agreements because one way or the other the gain or loss is minimal....

[OldJacket]

You are wrong. Several of us have looked into it. So we don't come on here and make proclamations and then cover up saying "I haven't looked into it". We are trying to tell you and you wont listen. A Corbin and Knox student can go to South Laurel. If South doesn't want to charge them for being out of district that is their choice. Public schools are public schools. Its not very hard at all. The Kentucky department of education gives each school SEEK money for each student that attends school in their district. If South Laurel accepts a child from Knox KDE doesn't send SEEK money for that student. If South wants to educate that child for free they can or they can choose to charge tuition to the parents to offset the loss of SEEK money.

True but by choosing to educate a student for free is placing a burden on the district and should not be allowed IMO...

[RicFlair]

They are different than a public school. They can pick and choose who attends their school and a public school cant.

You had one public school play for state title last year. Pulaski.

I believe you're misinformed pal

[Single Wing 77]

Correct me if I am wrong cause I have never looked into it. I am just using Corbin as an example cause that's school I most familiar with. If the schools don't have reciprocal agreement with south or north or Knox the kids can still go to Corbin by paying tuition but a kid in Corbin or Knox etc can't got to south or north because they don't have tuition. That's the advantage I see and Corbin is located perfectly to really take advantage of it. I don't know of any public school that does take tuition. There may be some but I never heard of it

Incorrect, I had a good friend in high school that lived in the Lynn camp/Corbin lapped district. He payed tuition to go to South Laurel. EVERY public school in the state accepts kids that live outside of their district if they pay tuition. As far as the corbin whitley thing goes. The reciprocal agreement is only in affect for the designated lapped districts. Kids who live in those districts can go to either school. The same is true for Knox county.

[mysonis55]

Mayfield and Graves County have reciprocal agreements as well. Then you hear complaints from GC folk that Mayfield wins because of their boys going to Mayfield. They seem to forget that the only time GC made it to state they had a Mayfield boy at qb. They have several kids that live in the city at GC. But, you don't see any of these teams being able to entice kids from say Il, Tn, In or other big schools around. Privates are able and do so.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Gut the money is not split 50-50, remember you are paid on your average daily attendance not your total enrollment...I think most districts sign reciprocal agreements because one way or the other the gain or loss is minimal....

Thanks oldjacket. I wasn't sure how that money thing worked. I knew youd know the correct way that plays out.

I also agree with your other post about not allowing a student to go free of charge. It just creates a burden on the school district.

I got a couple of more questions you probably know, and will solve a lot of questions on this thread,,,

1. If a kid lives out side of the zoning that reciprocal agreement refers too, can that student still attend either school and play sports or can the school that the kid should be going to fight it and make them sit out?

2. My sibling went to Corbin while I went to Whitley. There was a 6 year age gap between us. Before I started school, we lived in city limits. When I started school, we had moved just outside city limits. Literally a mile. Because of this, my parents had to pay tuition for my sibling to continue going to Corbin. I believe it was 1500 a semester back then. Not very cheap, and was also allowed to play sports. Meanwhile, mom and dad said hell no to sending me to Corbin and paying another 1500 when I could go to the county for free so that's how that happened. My question is, had we lived in city limits, I could have went to Whitley anyways since we were still in the county with no charge. I don't see that as an advantage, but understand how people would think that. Pay a few dollars and go to the better school (back then anyways as Whitley was still recovering from the state takeover). Do you think this is an advantage?

3. If there is no reciprocal agreement in place and a kid goes to the wrong district, (like the Knox/Corbin fiasco a couple of years ago) can that player play sports after a single year or do they have to show a physical change of address before ever playing? And do you know of any county schools that take tuition or do they always eat the loss?