[stripedofficial]

The 14th is awful!!! What's sad is I've heard officials bet on high school games in 14th and 15th region and they have for years. You can tell when refs are for one team. I think they need to start over and get all new ones. I know for a fact several have been complained about and video has even been sent to KHSAA. It's sick to do high school kids that way that work their butts of and to be taken away by a bunch of asses!!!

Its sick that officals work their asses off. Go to camps, trainings, rules clinics, etc and then travel around the region busting their buts to do the best they can. Then a bunch of adults get on the internet behind screen names to accuse them of cheating kids. If you all wouldnt of gave em participation tropheys their whole lives youd be able to accept they dont always win.
Ive never once ran into a high school bookie. If you dont want talk about people betting on hs games then why do you allow "spreads" to be posted here?

One poster says fire them all and start over. So if no one wants to put up with coaches and fans now. Why would they want to start after everyone gets fired? You think there's 100 quality officals sitting at home right now with no training?
Other then you keyboard warriors, the answer to that is no.

[Gunslinger]

Its sick that officals work their asses off. Go to camps, trainings, rules clinics, etc and then travel around the region busting their buts to do the best they can. Then a bunch of adults get on the internet behind screen names to accuse them of cheating kids. If you all wouldnt of gave em participation tropheys their whole lives youd be able to accept they dont always win.
Ive never once ran into a high school bookie. If you dont want talk about people betting on hs games then why do you allow "spreads" to be posted here?

One poster says fire them all and start over. So if no one wants to put up with coaches and fans now. Why would they want to start after everyone gets fired? You think there's 100 quality officals sitting at home right now with no training?
Other then you keyboard warriors, the answer to that is no.

You are obviously at least associated with refereeing. If so what accountability standards are refs held to as far as job performance? Is there a "head of officials" that evaluate or what? Have any refs ever been suspended or fired based on job performance? It seems to me that the pnly unbiased way to evaluate would have to come from a third party other than the school or refereeing assigning secretary

[cj2561]

Its sick that officals work their asses off. Go to camps, trainings, rules clinics, etc and then travel around the region busting their buts to do the best they can. Then a bunch of adults get on the internet behind screen names to accuse them of cheating kids. If you all wouldnt of gave em participation tropheys their whole lives youd be able to accept they dont always win.
Ive never once ran into a high school bookie. If you dont want talk about people betting on hs games then why do you allow "spreads" to be posted here?

One poster says fire them all and start over. So if no one wants to put up with coaches and fans now. Why would they want to start after everyone gets fired? You think there's 100 quality officals sitting at home right now with no training?
Other then you keyboard warriors, the answer to that is no.

if people don't bet on high school sport. how did I won 3000 dollars from Cordia winning the All A last year. if Rhodes was coaching this year. I would put a few dollars on Cordia to win it again this year. a game in the 14th region PCC/North Laurel in the WYMT women T-ment. Hazard/Leslie Co first game. Homes/KCC game at hazard. i have not bet on that many games this year. maybe 15 to 20 with most of them being football games.

[stripedofficial]

Then your part of the problem. How can you complain about gambling on high school sports and then admit on a forum that you have a bookie that you use to make bets on high school games.

[cj2561]

Then your part of the problem. How can you complain about gambling on high school sports and then admit on a forum that you have a bookie that you use to make bets on high school games.

before I bet on a game I find out who call that game around here.

[stripedofficial]

And do what? Make a deal with the ref?

[cj2561]

no I know all the refs in the 14th region and I know how every ref is going to call there game.

[NEXT]

Red team player and blue team player go for a loose ball and run into each other, and each player falls to the floor.
#1 ref calls foul on blue team, blue team gets on BGR and says ref is a cheater and the worst ref in the state. Red team says nothing.
Or
#2 ref calls foul on red team and red team gets on BGR and says ref is a cheater and the worst ref in the state. Blue team says nothing
Or
#3 ref doesn't call a foul and both red team and blue team get on BGR and says ref is a cheater and the worst ref in the state. The blue teams fans like the red team posts and vise versa.

Or
#4 ref calls a double foul, then has to T up both coaches and throw two students and a granny out of the gym. Both teams get on BGR and claim the ref cheats and is
the worst ref in the history of the game.

The problem isn't that one call.

The problem is you go to middle school games and the refs has literally paid their fee, took the test, and and are allowed to officiate They then NEVER call a game outside of the gym of one certain school, they are not a member of any association, and didn't take the test themselves....wife or the coach of the team you are playing did......:eyeroll:


That leads to you going somewhere as your kids get older and you think ever 50/50 call is against you. Or going out of Region and getting the screws put to you.

It starts at the middle school level and goes from there.

[NEXT]

Its sick that officals work their asses off. Go to camps, trainings, rules clinics, etc and then travel around the region busting their buts to do the best they can. Then a bunch of adults get on the internet behind screen names to accuse them of cheating kids. If you all wouldnt of gave em participation tropheys their whole lives youd be able to accept they dont always win.
Ive never once ran into a high school bookie. If you dont want talk about people betting on hs games then why do you allow "spreads" to be posted here?

One poster says fire them all and start over. So if no one wants to put up with coaches and fans now. Why would they want to start after everyone gets fired? You think there's 100 quality officals sitting at home right now with no training?
Other then you keyboard warriors, the answer to that is no.

Almost every official in the 15th Region Association is an honest person and does do their best. Some are better than others, like anything else, but for the most part, they are quality officials.

The problem is the middle school level and politics......I've watched bad officials change the way they call because a certain persons son/grandson was on the floor or because they are at a certain school in middle school.

Once again, if you see the same official at the same middle school every night, things probably are not in the up and up.


That leads to people getting conditioned to thinking they are getting cheated at the high school level.

[14th region official]

You are obviously at least associated with refereeing. If so what accountability standards are refs held to as far as job performance? Is there a "head of officials" that evaluate or what? Have any refs ever been suspended or fired based on job performance? It seems to me that the pnly unbiased way to evaluate would have to come from a third party other than the school or refereeing assigning secretary

Here in the 14th this year we have a new assigning secretary that is doing a great job. He gets out and evaluates officials, which we have very few of and the list keeps getting shorter because of guys quitting because they aren't getting enough games they don't deserve, people have injuries and people are retiring with no one to take their places. We have about 30 officials to cover all the girls and boys games here in the region and we used to have a better training system in place where when you start you have to call freshman and jv for 2 years before even thinking about calling a varsity game, but due to the fact that no one can handle all the criticism that we take on a daily basis we have no new officials coming out to work so the 2 year period can no longer happen, so because of that we have guys working their first year and calling varsity games. So it may be the fact that they are cheating it may be the fact that they don't have enough experience to be out there and are just learning really how to call the game. But if they weren't out their trying, the kids wouldn't be able to even play the game without them because there is not enough officials otherwise. For the most part most of the guys are impartial and are just doing it for the love of the game, exercise and the kids. Yes there are a few that just want to be seen and like to call attention to themselves, but you have that in every job in the world. Yes we have some that need to retire and some that need to learn the rules, but that is just how it is in the life of an official. They are all out there for different reasons, but for the most part it is because they just need a little extra money to help put food on the table or they just like it. Yes their are bookies around the high school game unfortunately, but would say that 90% of the officials have no idea what the spread is or who is supposed to win, those other 10% make it hard on us that are just out there doing the job we are paid to do. There is a major shortage in officials all over the world, because of the abuse that we all take every night, so before you bash us, you might want to thank most of us for letting you child even have a chance to play the game they love, because without us, the games don't go on! :Thumbs:

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Well, at least u admitted to the gambling...:drooling:

[mountain hoops guru]

Well, at least u admitted to the gambling...:drooling:

People would gamble on a game of marbles if someone would give them a spread, its a disease that is always going to be around sports no matter what level. Sad, but true.

[cj2561]

People would gamble on a game of marbles if someone would give them a spread, its a disease that is always going to be around sports no matter what level. Sad, but true.

one of my friends down in FL. said they bet on pee-wee football down there.

[stripedofficial]

Dont you think you are part of the problem by keeping these bookies going?
If you dont bet, theres no line. No line, no accusations that the refs are on one side of that line.
So dont give me the bullcrap about this needing to stop when you are part of the problem.

[BallerFromTheHoller]

I just would like to see these officials in the 14th call a foul when it's a foul but they call according to the player,team ,coach or what the score is and this is not fair to the kids. It's not ok to put officials out there that don't know the rules or understand the game. Coaches and officials should have to go to clinics every year so they will know the rules don't punish the kids!!!!

[cj2561]

Dont you think you are part of the problem by keeping these bookies going?
If you dont bet, theres no line. No line, no accusations that the refs are on one side of that line.
So dont give me the bullcrap about this needing to stop when you are part of the problem.

I can't remember who was playing. both team was playing the same way. when one team have 19 fouls in one half, and the other team have 5 fouls. something is wrong there. that would have nothing to do with people betting on games. to me that is the refs have money on that game.

[stripedofficial]

Or one team is a penetrating team and the other a jump shooting team?
One played smother man and the other a zone?
One team pressed and one team didnt?
Or this one, and this ones the most unbelievable of them all: one team players better defense then the other.

Team fouls mean absolutely squat in determining a refs integrity.

[Equally]

How about one team having 22 fouls and the other have 6 fouls in one half. The team was in douple bonus just a couple minutes into the 3rd. 14th region refs are awful. Most are pricks that think everyone owes them something. You better bet they have money on a game like that especially when the othe team is fouling like crazy but they only call 6 foul on them in the second half and a total of 9 but the other team jade close to 30 fouls. That is just funny as hell because you can see what's going on. Lol

[Ike Cooter]

I just would like to see these officials in the 14th call a foul when it's a foul but they call according to the player,team ,coach or what the score is and this is not fair to the kids. It's not ok to put officials out there that don't know the rules or understand the game. Coaches and officials should have to go to clinics every year so they will know the rules don't punish the kids!!!!

What about the players? Shouldn't they also know the rules?

I attended a volleyball game a few years ago to watch my daughter. Have no aspirations to ever be a referee. But as most know, volleyball line judges outside of post season, are selected from students and parents in the stands. Well this particular night I was asked. A hit from the team my daughter was playing for goes out of bounds. I gave the touch sign by the defensive team. The entire gym erupted. The questions are was I right, was I wrong or was I just a terrible adult that would cheat these girls. No one will ever know the truth. So why must everyone speculate, accuse and belittle those who are there doing their job. Parents should sit back and enjoy the time they have watching their children do things they enjoy. The truth is, a very small percentage of the calls made truly effect the game’s outcome and NONE ever effect the future of the kid’s career.


For the record.....I WOULD NEVER CHEAT!!!!!! :Thumbs:

[cj2561]

Or one team is a penetrating team and the other a jump shooting team?
One played smother man and the other a zone?
One team pressed and one team didnt?
Or this one, and this ones the most unbelievable of them all: one team players better defense then the other.

Team fouls mean absolutely squat in determining a refs integrity.

one team was playing 2-3 and the other team 1-3-1. the team with all them fouls still almost beat the other team. the team with less fouls press and the other team 2-3.

[cj2561]

What about the players? Shouldn't they also know the rules?

I attended a volleyball game a few years ago to watch my daughter. Have no aspirations to ever be a referee. But as most know, volleyball line judges outside of post season, are selected from students and parents in the stands. Well this particular night I was asked. A hit from the team my daughter was playing for goes out of bounds. I gave the touch sign by the defensive team. The entire gym erupted. The questions are was I right, was I wrong or was I just a terrible adult that would cheat these girls. No one will ever know the truth. So why must everyone speculate, accuse and belittle those who are there doing their job. Parents should sit back and enjoy the time they have watching their children do things they enjoy. The truth is, a very small percentage of the calls made truly effect the game’s outcome and NONE ever effect the future of the kid’s career.


For the record.....I WOULD NEVER CHEAT!!!!!! :Thumbs:

by what you said, you did cheat. if they didn't change the rules. isn't one of the rules for refs. you can't refs a game that you got family playing in.

[mountain hoops guru]

by what you said, you did cheat. if they didn't change the rules. isn't one of the rules for refs. you can't refs a game that you got family playing in.

If that is the case, no one around here would be able to ref anyone. :biglmao:

[stripedofficial]

What about the players? Shouldn't they also know the rules?

I attended a volleyball game a few years ago to watch my daughter. Have no aspirations to ever be a referee. But as most know, volleyball line judges outside of post season, are selected from students and parents in the stands. Well this particular night I was asked. A hit from the team my daughter was playing for goes out of bounds. I gave the touch sign by the defensive team. The entire gym erupted. The questions are was I right, was I wrong or was I just a terrible adult that would cheat these girls. No one will ever know the truth. So why must everyone speculate, accuse and belittle those who are there doing their job. Parents should sit back and enjoy the time they have watching their children do things they enjoy. The truth is, a very small percentage of the calls made truly effect the game’s outcome and NONE ever effect the future of the kid’s career.


For the record.....I WOULD NEVER CHEAT!!!!!! :Thumbs:

This is why all parents/coaches who act bad should be required to try it at least once. You saw in one night how big of a no win situation it is. Someone is always mad.

[NextGeneration]

Your statement enforces what I ask in the first place. Sure someone is going to get mad. That is not and should not be the issue. I wasn't mad, it was so obvious against OBI, hell we won by 15. But complaining goes on in every job and sport. The case is, refs are trying to please the important ones or the one that pay or the ones they like instead of a fair game. Worried about who they are going to make mad. Fans getting mad are always going to be a part of it. Which brings me back to my question are they this bad or are they cheating? Either way something has to be done. The 13th is horrible when we speak of overall rating.

[zaga_fan]

Did you know that a lot of biddy leagues, grade school games and JV games don't require you to be licensed official to ref a game?

Sounds like we got plenty of guys that can do the job on here.

Give it a shot!

[mountain hoops guru]

Did you know that a lot of biddy leagues, grade school games and JV games don't require you to be licensed official to ref a game?

Sounds like we got plenty of guys that can do the job on here.

Give it a shot!

This is not correct. If you ref a basketball game and are not licensed, those kids do not have any insurance if they were to get hurt during your game. If there is an injury that is the first question that is asked to administration from the game, "Were the officials licensed?" If they weren't, insurance is not valid. So yes officials are all REQUIRED to have a license from the KHSAA to be able to ref any games that involve schools. Now men's league or sportsplex leagues maybe not, but would definitely check on insurance for these buildings before I would ask someone to call without a license.

[Blacksmith]

I can say that in the small leagues like K-2 at the sportsplex you pay a fee for insurance to play. It was $10 this year for each player..

[zaga_fan]

This is not correct. If you ref a basketball game and are not licensed, those kids do not have any insurance if they were to get hurt during your game. If there is an injury that is the first question that is asked to administration from the game, "Were the officials licensed?" If they weren't, insurance is not valid. So yes officials are all REQUIRED to have a license from the KHSAA to be able to ref any games that involve schools. Now men's league or sportsplex leagues maybe not, but would definitely check on insurance for these buildings before I would ask someone to call without a license.

C'mon now, MHG.
Don't be calling me out like that when I'm a guru around these parts too.

At least ONE official has to be licensed.
JV games have multiple and the head referee must be licensed.
Some assigners won't do it, but you are definitely allowed to call without a license at lower level games as recently as a few years ago.

I yield that may have changed in the last few years, but I know that used to be the case. I reffed my first grade school games without a license but always had to be paired with someone licensed.

[zaga_fan]

I've been told this is no longer allowed lol