[Jackson Purchase]

Does St. X throw the LHP or RHP STUD against the Mustangs? Predictions?

[Pulp Fiction]

The team that beat my JC Golden Eagles out vs. a 6A Catholic school from Louisville....

Any chance they both can loose?

[FBfan4life]

Saint X will throw both RHP & LHP. Go Tigers!

[LCHSbulldogsalum]

The team that beat my JC Golden Eagles out vs. a 6A Catholic school from Louisville....

Any chance they both can loose?

Remember, baseball does it "right" and doesn't classify. So statements like these are nonsense. It's all "fair" and "equal". :Thumbs:

[Panther Thunder]

I pray the day baseball is classed is long after I am gone from this Earth.

[baseball1974]

I pray the day baseball is classed is long after I am gone from this Earth.

I wonder if the khsaa would ever compromise this issue by giving the private schools their own state title, similar to how they do the All "A?" It seems as though classification is not going to happen in the near future if ever. I'm sure that would appease most of the people. The changes this year have done more than anything to even things out among the classes. Good Pitching will always beat good hitting and with this years changes, you really only need two. That's a REALly big deal. There are tons of schools in every class that have two pitchers good enough once they win the region. If they keep it this way, then I don't see the need for classification.

[Pulp Fiction]

I wonder if the khsaa would ever compromise this issue by giving the private schools their own state title, similar to how they do the All "A?" It seems as though classification is not going to happen in the near future if ever. I'm sure that would appease most of the people. The changes this year have done more than anything to even things out among the classes. Good Pitching will always beat good hitting and with this years changes, you really only need two. That's a REALly big deal. There are tons of schools in every class that have two pitchers good enough once they win the region. If they keep it this way, then I don't see the need for classification.

I agree.
The B.O.C. hit a homerun (pardon the pun) with the change in the format.

[LCHSbulldogsalum]

I wonder if the khsaa would ever compromise this issue by giving the private schools their own state title, similar to how they do the All "A?" It seems as though classification is not going to happen in the near future if ever. I'm sure that would appease most of the people. The changes this year have done more than anything to even things out among the classes. Good Pitching will always beat good hitting and with this years changes, you really only need two. That's a REALly big deal. There are tons of schools in every class that have two pitchers good enough once they win the region. If they keep it this way, then I don't see the need for classification.

So you are FOR separating private schools, but AGAINST classification for all schools? If you admit that private schools have an advantage, then you also must admit that enrollment plays a major part as well. I don't see how you separate the two. St. X can have about 1200 BOYS, which helps their male athletics. But say a school has 1800 enrollment, and say 900 of which are male....and another school has 600, and say 300 are male.......which do you think have the better CHANCES of having those two "stud" pitchers?

I think that's the argument that has been made....

[DALE]

This is just me, no right or wrong opinions on the issue because ultimately no one other than the KHSAA can pull the trigger to make it happen. As I mentioned in another thread, varsity football rosters can near the 100 player mark if they have that many kids come out. Basketball has I believe a 15 man roster max and baseball has a 20 man roster max. With each school having limits on how many kids can be on the postseason roster it doesn't matter how many kids are in the school system because each school has the same amount of players available unlike football. When you are dealing with an important aspect like your pitching that ultimately falls on the skipper to determine how many position players he will keep to make room for his postseason rotation. Where there may be deficiencies, it is up to him to develop those individuals over the course of their careers to make sure there isn't a high turnover rate at these vital positions due to graduation. That is why it is important to play as many games possible with the middle school, freshmen and JV teams to get as much experience as possible for those guys to prepare them for the future of the program. It also isn't like baseball or basketball doesn't have a greater window for player development due to many schools having summer league and fall ball teams whereas football has one rodeo per school year.

[LCHSbulldogsalum]

This is just me, no right or wrong opinions on the issue because ultimately no one other than the KHSAA can pull the trigger to make it happen. As I mentioned in another thread, varsity football rosters can near the 100 player mark if they have that many kids come out. Basketball has I believe a 15 man roster max and baseball has a 20 man roster max. With each school having limits on how many kids can be on the postseason roster it doesn't matter how many kids are in the school system because each school has the same amount of players available unlike football. When you are dealing with an important aspect like your pitching that ultimately falls on the skipper to determine how many position players he will keep to make room for his postseason rotation. Where there may be deficiencies, it is up to him to develop those individuals over the course of their careers to make sure there isn't a high turnover rate at these vital positions due to graduation. That is why it is important to play as many games possible with the middle school, freshmen and JV teams to get as much experience as possible for those guys to prepare them for the future of the program. It also isn't like baseball or basketball doesn't have a greater window for player development due to many schools having summer league and fall ball teams whereas football has one rodeo per school year.

I respect your opinion. However, what you and others are not realizing is that in these smaller schools, the better talent aren't playing at their "level". They are playing varsity, sometimes as early as the 7th grade, because they are better than the talent on the varsity roster. Now, is that the coaches fault? Look at it this way. If you live in a community that is small, or spread way out in a county school system, and only those who live in city limits play organized baseball through Little League, this will result in being the norm (having young players playing up). Thus, the youth aren't able to realize their talents at the level they should (ex. middle school, JV). Whereas, a larger school with MORE kids will also (most likely) have a larger high school roster, allowing for the younger kids to stay at their level, creating that depth you speak of.

To me, it's as simple as this, of the states that play organized high school sanctioned baseball, there is only TWO states that do not classify. Kentucky is one of them. Are all the others wrong?

[Ring'Em Up]

Remember, baseball does it "right" and doesn't classify. So statements like these are nonsense. It's all "fair" and "equal". :Thumbs:

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[baseball1974]

So you are FOR separating private schools, but AGAINST classification for all schools? If you admit that private schools have an advantage, then you also must admit that enrollment plays a major part as well. I don't see how you separate the two. St. X can have about 1200 BOYS, which helps their male athletics. But say a school has 1800 enrollment, and say 900 of which are male....and another school has 600, and say 300 are male.......which do you think have the better CHANCES of having those two "stud" pitchers?

I think that's the argument that has been made....

Any type of class system will water down the state tournament. That's just a natural consequence to that type maneuver. Whether it's fair or not, I think we agree on that, because I do think they should classify somehow. However, it's clear they don't want to, and I think basketball is the reason why. As soon as they do, there will be a movement from small schools to do the same and they won't budge on that one because of monetary reasons. All I was saying, if they won't classify then having a saparate tournament for private schools is another alternative. However, I think what has happened with this year's format has done a lot to reduce to reduce the gap for small schools. If you have two pitchers that can compete then you have a shot to make it to the finals. I'm sure everyone in Lawrence would love to have had this format several years ago with shepherd. I have no doubt they could have won while he was there.

[dawg fan]

This is just me, no right or wrong opinions on a the issue because ultimately no one other than the KHSAA can pull the trigger to make it happen. As I mentioned in another thread, varsity football rosters can near the 100 player mark if they have that many kids come out. Basketball has I believe a 15 man roster max and baseball has a 20 man roster max. With each school having limits on how many kids can be on the postseason roster it doesn't matter how many kids are in the school system because each school has the same amount of players available unlike football. When you are dealing with an important aspect like your pitching that ultimately falls on the skipper to determine how many position players he will keep to make room for his postseason rotation. Where there may be deficiencies, it is up to him to develop those individuals over the course of their careers to make sure there isn't a high turnover rate at these vital positions due to graduation. That is why it is important to play as many games possible with the middle school, freshmen and JV teams to get as much experience as possible for those guys to prepare them for the future of the program. It also isn't like baseball or basketball doesn't have a greater window for player development due to many schools having summer league and fall ball teams whereas football has one rodeo per school year.

The chances of a school with 700 male students finding 15 good baseball players and 4 or 5 good arms is much higher than say paintsville with 51 male students.
And no matter how many is on the roster in football they still only play eleven at atime.


They still only play eleven at a time in football. The chances of aschool that has 700 male students to pick 15 baseball players

[DALE]

The chances of a school with 700 male students finding 15 good baseball players and 4 or 5 good arms is much higher than say paintsville with 51 male students.
And no matter how many is on the roster in football they still only play eleven at atime.


They still only play eleven at a time in football. The chances of aschool that has 700 male students to pick 15 baseball players

11 at a time, yes, but up to as many as they want can start should they only play one particular position. You have offense, defense, punt, punt return, kick, kick return, even more when you add into a nickel coverage, prevent or whatever. Some schools have enough to also platoon their offensive or defensive lines following a previous possession. Baseball has 9 and a DH. Arms is where most people would say there is a need for classification but I think if you are developing them as they progress through the ranks then there isn't a drastic turnover in that particular position. I respect your opinion and world is still going to revolve even though we may disagree. Yes some schools may have more to choose from but they are all still brining the same amount. Sometimes your best may not be enough to get over the hump and that's okay. You mentioned Paintsville, they have won both basketball and baseball titles but not a classified football title. Occasionally the talent pool is to a point where you can compete at the highest level, sometimes it's not.