Mayfield 17 NCC 7

KYHSFBFan · 12-06-2015, 11:19 PM

Final

KYHSFBFan · 12-06-2015, 11:27 PM

Both teams defenses were very good today. The Cardinals got a big TD early in the 3rd qtr on a punt that hit an NCC player and the Cardinals jumped on it in the end zone to go up by 14 which turned out to be the deciding score. The Breds did manage to hit on a 47 yard pass play late in the 3rd to cut the lead in half, but, never could put anything else together offensively, while Mayfield put a drive together deep in NCC territory that resulted in a 27 yard fg, putting the Cards up by 10 with under 4:00 to go and that basically put the game away.. If that didn't then NCCs next offensive play from scrimmage, they fumbled it back to the Cardinals, who basically salted the clock away from that point on.. Not the prettiest of games by either side, but, Mayfield did just enough to take home their 4th title in a row..

**OldJacket** · 12-06-2015, 11:29 PM

Congrats to Mayfield Cardinals

**E's Army** · 12-06-2015, 11:33 PM

Congrats to Mayfield. Feasting on cupcakes

**panther nation** · 12-06-2015, 11:47 PM

Congrats Mayfield

**64SUR** · 12-07-2015, 04:06 AM

Congratulations Mayfield :Cheerlead

**mysonis55** · 12-07-2015, 05:54 AM

Well, we heard it last year immediately after winning the 1a title. It was that we couldn't play within 2 touchdowns of DeSales and we couldn't win 2a like we had been winning 1a. Well, we had to replace our entire offensive line, mostly with sophomores. We took our little bitty team and worked our way through 5 top 10 2a teams enroute to a 2a state title. And now again immediately after we win the trophy we start hearing from fans of the very programs that we beat, how we didn't deserve to win it. Not so much in here but in other avenues of disussion. It drives me crazy how people can come in and get beat by the Cards but yet still have the gall to tell how we shouldn't have made it to the championship.

**Spirit100** · 12-07-2015, 06:10 AM

Congratulations to Mayfield on the W and continuing your success from last year at the 2A level.

Hats off to the NCC, and their Seniors on making it to the state championship. Mayfield has a very good program. Best wishes to all the seniors!

Mayfieldsportsfan · 12-07-2015, 04:00 PM

Congrats to the Cardinals on a hard fought win. #4Peat, #12TimeStateChamp. Good to be a Cardinal!

**RunItUpTheGut** · 12-07-2015, 04:26 PM

Mayfield is definitely more better aligned with 2A but I just don't see a huge difference in 1A and 2A

Walt Longmire · 12-07-2015, 04:52 PM

I think that Mayfield likely would have won anyway but it is a shame that the officials missed the call on the muffed punt and have the Cardinals a touchdown instead of NCC having the ball on the 20 like they should have.

**mysonis55** · 12-07-2015, 08:25 PM

I totally agree with you Longmire. I hate to see something like that missed but, everyone makes mistakes. It wasn't near the only thing missed though. There was a play where NCC jumped offsides, which would have given M a first down. Not called. It was so obvious that our offense stopped the play and had to regroup to get the play off before a delay. Agee plays later M did it on defense and it was called. Then there was the pass that bounced off the carpet and NCC WR caught it. Not only awarded the catch but a facemask on top of it. Then, I don't know how many times I noticed 42 for M was either getting held or blocked in the back and never was it called. I noticed on one of NCC drives a lineman on their right side hold and almost tackle a defensive lineman in the endzone, which should have been a safety, no call. It was unusual to see these things out of a crew at state. But, in the end, the team that should have won did.

Walt Longmire · 12-07-2015, 09:38 PM

mysonis55 Wrote:I totally agree with you Longmire. I hate to see something like that missed but, everyone makes mistakes. It wasn't near the only thing missed though. There was a play where NCC jumped offsides, which would have given M a first down. Not called. It was so obvious that our offense stopped the play and had to regroup to get the play off before a delay. Agee plays later M did it on defense and it was called. Then there was the pass that bounced off the carpet and NCC WR caught it. Not only awarded the catch but a facemask on top of it. Then, I don't know how many times I noticed 42 for M was either getting held or blocked in the back and never was it called. I noticed on one of NCC drives a lineman on their right side hold and almost tackle a defensive lineman in the endzone, which should have been a safety, no call. It was unusual to see these things out of a crew at state. But, in the end, the team that should have won did.

I wasn't at the game so I can't comment on any other plays. Missed judgment calls unfortunately, are part of almost every game. A missed application of the rules, that could have been fixed by any of the officials on the crew, should never be. Is this the missed catch/facemask call that you are talking about:

[Image: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb301.../Catch.jpg]

Looks like at least a facemask to me. And I'm not trying to diminish Mayfield's wind--I'm complaining about how the officials for the finals are picked. This should not have happened given the importance of the game--especially after what happened in the State Softball Tourney last spring. There needs to be a system that makes sure the best officials are selected each year even if that means the same ones go every year.

killbilly usmc · 12-07-2015, 10:28 PM

Everyone keeps bringing up this recovery on the muffed punt. I can't believe no one has mentioned the fact kennemore would have most likely recovered it at the 1 if the ncc player didn't hold him. Mayfield then most likely would have punched it in for 7 anyways.

youknowmyname · 12-07-2015, 10:54 PM

killbilly usmc Wrote:Everyone keeps bringing up this recovery on the muffed punt. I can't believe no one has mentioned the fact kennemore would have most likely recovered it at the 1 if the ncc player didn't hold him. Mayfield then most likely would have punched it in for 7 anyways.

Please familiarize yourself with the rules before you make the wrong comment.

2-24-2 A kick ends when a player gains possession or when the ball becomes dead while not in player possession.

6-3-1-a it is a touchback of any free kick or scrimmage kick: which is not a scoring attempt or which is a grounded three-point field goal attempt, breaks the plane of R's goal line, unless R chooses a spot of first touching by K.

"Possession" is the key word.....The NewCath player NEVER had possession, thus when the ball entered the endzone it is a deadball, NewCath's ball at the 20.

The touching/or not touching of the kick has no relevance. Once a kick (any kick) crosses the goal line, it's dead and a touchback.

killbilly usmc · 12-07-2015, 11:01 PM

I understand the rule, but that means that the ball was dead because posession wasn't gained before it crossed the goal line. My point was Mayfield would have gained possession of the ball at the 1, and then it would have been there ball from the 1 if kennemore wasnt blatantly grabbed by the ncc player to keep him from gaining possession. A player shouldn't be rewarded for a hold. Please be a little more of a smart ellick.

youknowmyname · 12-07-2015, 11:09 PM

killbilly usmc Wrote:I understand the rule, but that means that the ball was dead because posession wasn't gained before it crossed the goal line. My point was Mayfield would have gained possession of the ball at the 1, and then it would have been there ball from the 1 if kennemore wasnt blatantly grabbed by the ncc player to keep him from gaining possession. A player shouldn't be rewarded for a hold. Please be a little more of a smart ellick.

Really????

Congrats to Mayfield, they made the plays to win the game and that's all that matters.

**mysonis55** · 12-08-2015, 12:25 AM

Longmire, once again, I agree about the facemask. It was easy to see that from where I was. The thing is that incomplete pass was for about 20 yards and then you add another 15 and you cover 1/3 of the field. It worked out though as our defense still prevented the score as is their trademark. I totally agree with you about all of this and am in no way offended. I hate it that the play takes away from a great game. Killbilly is actually correct as well. The receiver did grab Kennemore as he was trying to go for the ball. I don't know if that would have changed anything more than offsetting penalties and a rekick. But, I'm not sure it's a problem with who they appt to work the games. People make mistakes. These positions are part time jobs. These guys therefore can't devote their entire life to learning every rule and some obiguous ones will be missed. I have a job dealing with the laws of Ky. I have worked in this field for over 30 years. Laws, and I'm sure rules, change and there are so many. I can tell you without a doubt that I can't tell you what every law in Ky states. I therefore have to make a judgement call and if I'm wrong try to correct it later. We as people are not perfect. As much as I would like to think I am, there has only been one perfect person walk this earth and he is trying to teach us still today by his actions.

Walt Longmire · 12-08-2015, 02:36 PM

mysonis55 Wrote:Longmire, once again, I agree about the facemask. It was easy to see that from where I was. The thing is that incomplete pass was for about 20 yards and then you add another 15 and you cover 1/3 of the field. It worked out though as our defense still prevented the score as is their trademark. I totally agree with you about all of this and am in no way offended. I hate it that the play takes away from a great game. Killbilly is actually correct as well. The receiver did grab Kennemore as he was trying to go for the ball. I don't know if that would have changed anything more than offsetting penalties and a rekick. But, I'm not sure it's a problem with who they appt to work the games. People make mistakes. These positions are part time jobs. These guys therefore can't devote their entire life to learning every rule and some obiguous ones will be missed. I have a job dealing with the laws of Ky. I have worked in this field for over 30 years. Laws, and I'm sure rules, change and there are so many. I can tell you without a doubt that I can't tell you what every law in Ky states. I therefore have to make a judgement call and if I'm wrong try to correct it later. We as people are not perfect. As much as I would like to think I am, there has only been one perfect person walk this earth and he is trying to teach us still today by his actions.

deadfish · 12-08-2015, 07:03 PM

I did not attend the game but watched the game webcast. I wasn't aware of the kick rule on punts going into the endzone after hitting the receiving player so did not question the call until reading about it here. Very bad officiating on that call and also some judgment calls as well, both ways. I think that Mayfield would have probably won anyhow because NCC had all kinds of chances to score and could not. If the call had gone correct and the score remained 7 to 0, I doubt if NCC would have scored their touchdown because after going down 14 to 0 they became a little more aggressive and changed their play scheme a little. Desperation touchdown was what they made. They did not score anymore the rest of the game and I really believe they would not have scored any as well as the Mayfield defense was playing. NCC played exceptional defense as well but only stopping the run. NCC lost because they couldn't put points on the board when they had the chance. the bad call on the muffed punt may have changed play from both teams, but we will never know. Too bad that 2 very good teams had to have such a bad call during a championship game. Mayfield was the better team and proved they can play 2A as well as 1A. NCC lost the game in the first quarter by not putting points on the scoreboard, they won the first quarter in stats, but lost the rest of the game because they could not score on Mayfield, this is my unbiased opinion.

Willie Turnover · 12-08-2015, 07:30 PM

IMO,
That is a horrible rule! If the receiver doesn't have enough since to get away from a punt that is bouncing towards him, and the ball hits him, then a stupid rule shouldn't bail him out.

Here is the quick fix to that ignorant rule. if the ball is recovered in the end zone then it should be a Touchdown. If the ball goes out the back or side of the end zone without being recovered then let be a touchback.

Someone with Common Sense should re write the rule book. And while they are at it re- Write the Baseball, and basketball one also.

commonsense · 12-08-2015, 11:19 PM

Just out of curiosity, why did the coach not call time out and question the ruling on the field? It is up to the coach also to know the rule. He may call a timeout and question the ruling, if it is overturned he gets his timeout back. I'm sure when the referee reviewed the play with him, it would have been corrected. Lets just say that there is plenty of blame to go around on this one and let it go.

**mysonis55** · 12-09-2015, 04:09 PM

Can we just let this mistake go please. It detracts from the game. I promise you that no part time employee in any job is going to know every rule. These guys do this part time, for little pay. We have already established that it was a mistake and it still wouldn't have changed the fact that Mayfield won.

Walt Longmire · 12-10-2015, 02:10 AM

mysonis55 Wrote:Can we just let this mistake go please. It detracts from the game. I promise you that no part time employee in any job is going to know every rule. These guys do this part time, for little pay. We have already established that it was a mistake and it still wouldn't have changed the fact that Mayfield won.

That was a pretty simple rule: kick goes into the end zone in high school it is always a touchback unless it is batted there.

But it does look like they got the complete pass/facemask call that you were upset about correct. That was my point about application of the rules vs judgement calls. I can live with missed judgement calls but to call a state final you've got to know the basic rules.

**mysonis55** · 12-14-2015, 05:27 AM

They need more refs. You can even get paid for it.

Walt Longmire · 12-14-2015, 03:28 PM

mysonis55 Wrote:They need more refs. You can even get paid for it.

Used to do it. I quit when my son got to middle school and high school. I started to get back into it after he graduated high school. When he won the starting spot at EKU as a freshman there were too many road trips that required leaving on Friday night for early Saturday kickoffs. Hard to do a game on Friday night and make it to The Swamp for an afternoon kickoff the next day. I do baseball in the spring so I'm not sure if my wife would be too receptive of me doing football in the fall as well with a toddler at home.