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Harlan Independent 2016
#1
What we will have for next season how many stays an how many graduates?
#2
I don't know a lot about Harlan but looks like they have 7 seniors on the roster. I think Hazard has 8 this year.
#3
Should be good year next yr. Will have a good senior class of linemen
#4
Only 7 seniors and almost all their skill people are back other than Jarvis. should be hard to handle next year.
#5
Harlan loses 1 on the offensive side of the ball (Offensive Lineman). They lose 2 on Defense (Jarvis and Bailey, LB's). 3 of the returning starting DB's were Freshmen and the other was a Sophomore. Both Brock (1,018 Yards Rushing) and Stapleton (800 Yards Rushing) were Sophomores. Team will still only carry about 30 players on the team. Coach Donahue always does a great job with his kids and puts together a great staff to help. Should be another good year.
#6
Trash, like every year since the 80s
#7
Just Curious, why would you post that?
#8
Mountain Warrior Wrote:Just Curious, why would you post that?

Prediction thread for next season, gave a prediction
#9
Coach Donahue and Harlan are a class act. Expect big things from them next year.
#10
Harlan will actually lose 3 on offense as they lose an ol,TE and Fb. Regardless that is still 17 out of 22 positions returning. This will be a better squad in 2016
#11
Harlan should have its best team next with those senior linemen and the young skill guys.
I had one starter on the offensive line and the fullback as seniors, but I wasn't sure if Parks started at tight end or just played on certain downs.

I think their toughest games will again be Pineville (senior-dominated team next year) and Williamsburg. They will be big favorites in the other 8, unless someone new is added.
#12
HCS Wrote:Harlan should have its best team next with those senior linemen and the young skill guys.
I had one starter on the offensive line and the fullback as seniors, but I wasn't sure if Parks started at tight end or just played on certain downs.

I think their toughest games will again be Pineville (senior-dominated team next year) and Williamsburg. They will be big favorites in the other 8, unless someone new is added.

I don't know if I would call them BIG favorites against Bracken County on the road next year, Bracken played them 28-21 @ Harlan this season and return 21 of 22 starters next season. That 5 hour bus ride could definately be a deciding factor.
#13
Why would u post something like that ? Some people need deleted .
#14
HCS Wrote:Harlan should have its best team next with those senior linemen and the young skill guys.
I had one starter on the offensive line and the fullback as seniors, but I wasn't sure if Parks started at tight end or just played on certain downs.

I think their toughest games will again be Pineville (senior-dominated team next year) and Williamsburg. They will be big favorites in the other 8, unless someone new is added.

I think they will have to add one . South Floyd is combining if not mistaken.
#15
Glacier Wrote:I don't know if I would call them BIG favorites against Bracken County on the road next year, Bracken played them 28-21 @ Harlan this season and return 21 of 22 starters next season. That 5 hour bus ride could definately be a deciding factor.


Good point.
I was surprised how close it was last year from what I had heard about Bracken. It was a good game.
Is that game on a Saturday next year?
#16
dragonwatch Wrote:Why would u post something like that ? Some people need deleted .

Because they schedule south Floyd and Pennington gap Virginia and ky school of the deaf and blind every year and then pound their chest like they're contenders when in reality they're sub-par at best. I'm just being honest.... Probably be a 7 win team but those 7 wins will be against teams that couldn't beat an egg.
#17
Harlan literally had the easiest schedule ever played in HS history this year. Having said that it looks like they have a decent amount of talent coming up. Need to schedule some 11-man football teams out of their district to help them prepare for the playoffs. If not they will continue to have a good record and then get blasted by the first decent team they face in the playoffs.
#18
First, you don't know much about the school history. Second, our schedule is what allowed us to win the District after the 3 way tie between us Pineville, and Williamsburg. So, all the talk about a week schedule, in the end our schedule was good enough to win the tie breaker. I think Harlan ended up with 12 points, Williamsburg 10, and Pineville 8. Finally, Harlan has 105 boys grades 7-12. Who would you like them to play Bell, Knox, HC? Come on, nobody complained about Harlan playing these same people when they could not get to 500. Now that it has cycled back around and Harlan has a good team, they are not playing anyone. Your opinion, but I'm not buying it and the stats don't back it. You sound like you've been hanging around HCS to much. Not sure where all the hate comes from because JB has ran that program with class. I've never seen him, his coach's, or any of the players beat their chests. Now, those of you on here that think your 10 feet tall and bullet proof behind a computer screen, I cannot say the same thing about. Especially in our own county, you would think folks would be happy for success. I'll always pull for HC, and hope they win as many as they can. They have great people out there. My apologies for the long post.
#19
^Nice rant, schedule was horrible and everyone knows it. No hate here just stating facts. If you want to get better for the playoffs, quit filling you non-district schedule with the weakest teams on the planet.
#20
dragonwatch Wrote:I think they will have to add one . South Floyd is combining if not mistaken.


I think it's at least one more year before the merger, maybe two.
#21
Mountain Warrior Wrote:First, you don't know much about the school history. Second, our schedule is what allowed us to win the District after the 3 way tie between us Pineville, and Williamsburg. So, all the talk about a week schedule, in the end our schedule was good enough to win the tie breaker. I think Harlan ended up with 12 points, Williamsburg 10, and Pineville 8. Finally, Harlan has 105 boys grades 7-12. Who would you like them to play Bell, Knox, HC? Come on, nobody complained about Harlan playing these same people when they could not get to 500. Now that it has cycled back around and Harlan has a good team, they are not playing anyone. Your opinion, but I'm not buying it and the stats don't back it. You sound like you've been hanging around HCS to much. Not sure where all the hate comes from because JB has ran that program with class. I've never seen him, his coach's, or any of the players beat their chests. Now, those of you on here that think your 10 feet tall and bullet proof behind a computer screen, I cannot say the same thing about. Especially in our own county, you would think folks would be happy for success. I'll always pull for HC, and hope they win as many as they can. They have great people out there. My apologies for the long post.



I had my doubts, but the schedule helped Harlan win the district.
Not hiding behind a computer screen though, if you mean me. My name is next to every story.
#22
LOL!!! Are you guys serious? It's true Williamsburg got penalized for losing to Lexington Christian, Somerset, Leslie Co. and Paintsville. But they lost a TON of talent from the year before and were rebuilding. Those games helped them get better, which is the goal. Williamsburg will be very good again real soon and will be beating some of those teams. If Harlan fans are hoping that playing South Floyd, Thomas Walker, Bracken Co., Jackson Co., Middlesboro, Rye Cove and McCreary Central will help take their team to the next level, they are delusional. Enjoy wins over creampuff teams no good team wants to play and be ready to get waxed as soon as you play a decent team in the playoffs.:ChairHit:
#23
Whether the schedule made them better is debatable, but there is no debate that Harlan won the district because they had a bunch of non-district wins.

Coach Donahue has traditionally played a fairly tough non-district schedule: Corbin, Knox Central, Cawood, Hazard, Breathitt County, Leslie County, Appalachia, Va., Lee, Va. etc....

This year's wasn't as tough, but I think it worked in giving his team confidence, and it definitely was a good strategic move in the way it played out with a district title and a top seed.
#24
HCS Wrote:Whether the schedule made them better is debatable, but there is no debate that Harlan won the district because they had a bunch of non-district wins.

Coach Donahue has traditionally played a fairly tough non-district schedule: Corbin, Knox Central, Cawood, Hazard, Breathitt County, Leslie County, Appalachia, Va., Lee, Va. etc....

This year's wasn't as tough, but I think it worked in giving his team confidence, and it definitely was a good strategic move in the way it played out with a district title and a top seed.

If a district title is your goal for a successful year then yes. And getting demolished by the first decent team you play. If you want to get to the next level, very bad strategy.
#25
They did get to the next level - a district championship. It had been a few years.
#26
Congratulations.
#27
jetpilot Wrote:LOL!!! Are you guys serious? It's true Williamsburg got penalized for losing to Lexington Christian, Somerset, Leslie Co. and Paintsville. But they lost a TON of talent from the year before and were rebuilding. Those games helped them get better, which is the goal. Williamsburg will be very good again real soon and will be beating some of those teams. If Harlan fans are hoping that playing South Floyd, Thomas Walker, Bracken Co., Jackson Co., Middlesboro, Rye Cove and McCreary Central will help take their team to the next level, they are delusional. Enjoy wins over creampuff teams no good team wants to play and be ready to get waxed as soon as you play a decent team in the playoffs.:ChairHit:

You're right, but doubt I would throw middlesboro in the mix with those teams. If I'm not mistaken the last region championship they won was over pikeville. That being said, if Harlan wants to be consididered a good program then playing those teams is out of the question. You win 10 games, awesome, but a first round exit from the playoffs isn't what I would call building confidence. I've been around kids a long time and they know when a team is good/bad and if they get confidence from beating 9 awful teams every year then that's part of the problem itself
#28
RicFlair Wrote:You're right, but doubt I would throw middlesboro in the mix with those teams. If I'm not mistaken the last region championship they won was over pikeville. That being said, if Harlan wants to be consididered a good program then playing those teams is out of the question. You win 10 games, awesome, but a first round exit from the playoffs isn't what I would call building confidence. I've been around kids a long time and they know when a team is good/bad and if they get confidence from beating 9 awful teams every year then that's part of the problem itself

Most years you are right, but Middlesboro has hit bottom recently. They are worth leaving on the schedule, the others no way.
#29
All arguments are good ones, for the most part. I think Harlans goal from the beginning was to win the District and most likely the same next year. Listen, when you are dressing 30 kids at the most and have inability to play JV Games, it's my opinion you need a schedule to allow you to gain confidence and win games. Harlan is not a Pikeville or Hazard at this point. It will take winning more than one District title and progressively getting better before thinking along the lines of "the next level". Winning is a habit, unfortunately so is losing. I don't think anyone is calling the dragons a state contender. However, I see nothing wrong with wanting to consistently play for and win district Championships. Many small schools would like to be in that situation. By the way, I think the mountains have two of the best teams playing in the semi's that we've seen in a while. Good luck to those guys.
#30
Harlan did great this season. They have alot of young talent. For all the ones bashing them you have a problem obviously. This team made it to second round of playoffs and could have went to third round. The first half of that Hazard game Harlan was on fire held them the whole first half. When they came out of locker room second half like watching a whole different team play. They did not even give a glimpse of the team that played first half till it was too late in fourth quarter then they starting playing again. I think this team will be great for the next couple years. I did not see you bashing them when they were loosing to these team in past years. Now you have a problem since they have won games and District. They are a small team and lucky to dress 30 at the most. Get over yourself .

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