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02-24-2006, 12:21 AM
A Kentucky teacher has been fired -- after the teacher admits he engaged in a sexual relationship with two female students.
The Superintendent at Oldham county schools announced this afternoon that he fired North Oldham teacher Derek Walcott for having inappropriate sexual contact with two students.
The Superintendent says Walcott admitted to having the relationship with two 17-year-old girls off school property. The girls were not in Walcott's class, but the Superintendent says they were students. Because the girls are older than 16, which is the age of consent in Kentucky, Walcott has not been charged with a crime.
The Superintendent at Oldham county schools announced this afternoon that he fired North Oldham teacher Derek Walcott for having inappropriate sexual contact with two students.
The Superintendent says Walcott admitted to having the relationship with two 17-year-old girls off school property. The girls were not in Walcott's class, but the Superintendent says they were students. Because the girls are older than 16, which is the age of consent in Kentucky, Walcott has not been charged with a crime.
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02-24-2006, 10:24 AM
Are you kidding? Do you all have daughters? 17 or not, that is not appropriate conduct for a teacher. Whether it happened on school property or elsewhere. What? So people become teachers so that they can check out the UNDERAGE population and get the first shot? Come on, I don't want any teacher touching my daughter in that way at all. It is no laughing matter. Consensual or not, it should never happen.
02-24-2006, 10:30 AM
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That's where you are WRONG. It is the parent's business. Are you for real? Those GIRLS are still just children. Even if they agreed to the contact, they are not adults and teachers have NO right to have any contact with a student that isn't school related. If you don't have daughters now maybe someday you will. Is that what you want your daughter to brag about learning from her teachers?:bow:
corndog23 Wrote:BCF4L is right on. If its outside of school its noones business.
That's where you are WRONG. It is the parent's business. Are you for real? Those GIRLS are still just children. Even if they agreed to the contact, they are not adults and teachers have NO right to have any contact with a student that isn't school related. If you don't have daughters now maybe someday you will. Is that what you want your daughter to brag about learning from her teachers?:bow:
02-24-2006, 10:36 AM
BCF4L Wrote:Hmmmm dont see why the teacher got fired. If it happened outside of school on their own time then it's really noones business. The only time it should matter is if he raped them imo.
Evidently, YOU don't have children. What children do IS their parents business. I can't believe you would express your ignorance so openly and be proud of it. But, I don't know you, so maybe this is the norm for you. Teachers are supposed to teach and protect, not take advantage of their young minds and bodies. He not only should be fired, but the parents should take action also. He is considered a predator and should not be allowed to be around children must less teach them.
02-24-2006, 11:58 AM
I agree Teachers are suppose to be someone KIDS can trust to protect them and teach them right from wrong. These girls are still developing physcially and much more importantly emotionally. Sad thing is it's becoming heard about way too often these days. Makes a person wonder if it was happening in the past and kids were too afraid to talk about it before seeing it more often in the media.
And as for it happening outside of school, well he had to meet the girls somewhere and they all attended the same school so its safe to say thats where he started it all, and if he wasn't caught how many other girls would he coax into doing things from the same school? And what makes anyone think these are the only two hes done anything with, and for that matter why would anyone you think hes never done this to anyone younger. A predator is a predator in my book.
I think parents have a different perspective than teenagers do looking at the situation.But if it was your little sister or girlfriend it happened to then I don't think it would be as funny to some of you. Maybe the parents should settle it the same place it happened in the same situation, with the teachers pants around his ankles, "off school grounds"
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And as for it happening outside of school, well he had to meet the girls somewhere and they all attended the same school so its safe to say thats where he started it all, and if he wasn't caught how many other girls would he coax into doing things from the same school? And what makes anyone think these are the only two hes done anything with, and for that matter why would anyone you think hes never done this to anyone younger. A predator is a predator in my book.
I think parents have a different perspective than teenagers do looking at the situation.But if it was your little sister or girlfriend it happened to then I don't think it would be as funny to some of you. Maybe the parents should settle it the same place it happened in the same situation, with the teachers pants around his ankles, "off school grounds"
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02-24-2006, 12:02 PM
syoung Wrote:Evidently, YOU don't have children. What children do IS their parents business. I can't believe you would express your ignorance so openly and be proud of it. But, I don't know you, so maybe this is the norm for you. Teachers are supposed to teach and protect, not take advantage of their young minds and bodies. He not only should be fired, but the parents should take action also. He is considered a predator and should not be allowed to be around children must less teach them.Actually I have a little boy. Thing is no parent is going to be able to control their kids on a 24 hr basis. Whether you tell your kid not to do something or not they are still going to do it. I know this cuz I'm only 20 and we do stuff no matter what our parents say. If the girls agreed to have sex with this teacher then the teacher done the same thing that majority of the guys here on earth would do.
02-24-2006, 12:03 PM
A 17 year old girl and what she does is definately a parents business.
I'm just curious, Do teachers have a morals clause in their contract???
I'm just curious, Do teachers have a morals clause in their contract???
02-24-2006, 12:09 PM
BCF4L Wrote:Actually I have a little boy. Thing is no parent is going to be able to control their kids on a 24 hr basis. Whether you tell your kid not to do something or not they are still going to do it. I know this cuz I'm only 20 and we do stuff no matter what our parents say. If the girls agreed to have sex with this teacher then the teacher done the same thing that majority of the guys here on earth would do.No, no parent can control what a teenager does 24 hours a day, but a parent shouldn't have to be worried that a 17 year old being lured by a teacher.
BTW...did you realize a 17 year old is not an adult in most situations, such as contractually? I realize the age of consent in KY is 16 but a 17 year old doesn't need to put into this situation to decide whether to consent or not BY a teacher.
And I totally disagree with your statement that "the teacher done the same thing that majority of the guys here on earth would do." I don't believe the majority of guys on here would have done the same thing.
You say you have a little boy,Would your stance be different if you had a little girl?? just wondering.
02-24-2006, 12:24 PM
fox sports Wrote:No, no parent can control what a teenager does 24 hours a day, but a parent shouldn't have to be worried that a 17 year old being lured by a teacher.Odds are...Yes! I know its a double standard, but things are different when it comes to girls. But I don't see how the teacher gets in trouble when the girls agree to sex with him. It's not his fault they agreed to it.
BTW...did you realize a 17 year old is not an adult in most situations, such as contractually? I realize the age of consent in KY is 16 but a 17 year old doesn't need to put into this situation to decide whether to consent or not BY a teacher.
And I totally disagree with your statement that "the teacher done the same thing that majority of the guys here on earth would do." I don't believe the majority of guys on here would have done the same thing.
You say you have a little boy,Would your stance be different if you had a little girl?? just wondering.
02-24-2006, 12:40 PM
I believe all teacher contracts have a morals clause, maybe someone can clarify.
And It Is His fault for pursuing them or not running away if they pursued him.
And It Is His fault for pursuing them or not running away if they pursued him.
02-24-2006, 01:21 PM
I hope you guys are not serious.
I am around kids of this age every single day--and I can tell you that things like this NEVER even occur to me. And if they did--I would immediately get out of coaching. A lot of these kids are extremely sensative to any type of feedback or conversation that they get from adults--good or bad. So you really have to be careful to begin with so kids don't get the wrong message. I would not want a teacher or coach to go down this road with one of my kids regardless of their age.
Seriously--even if I had a kid in college--I doubt that I would want them dating a teacher. It is just different.
I am around kids of this age every single day--and I can tell you that things like this NEVER even occur to me. And if they did--I would immediately get out of coaching. A lot of these kids are extremely sensative to any type of feedback or conversation that they get from adults--good or bad. So you really have to be careful to begin with so kids don't get the wrong message. I would not want a teacher or coach to go down this road with one of my kids regardless of their age.
Seriously--even if I had a kid in college--I doubt that I would want them dating a teacher. It is just different.
02-24-2006, 01:25 PM
KentuckyHillBilly5321 Wrote:I hope you guys are not serious.Good post...i agree
I am around kids of this age every single day--and I can tell you that things like this NEVER even occur to me. And if they did--I would immediately get out of coaching. A lot of these kids are extremely sensative to any type of feedback or conversation that they get from adults--good or bad. So you really have to be careful to begin with so kids don't get the wrong message. I would not want a teacher or coach to go down this road with one of my kids regardless of their age.
Seriously--even if I had a kid in college--I doubt that I would want them dating a teacher. It is just different.
02-24-2006, 02:08 PM
I honestly dont know what is wrong with it. Maybe its because im only 19 but i seriously dont. There was no illegal activity, and it appears as if the girls gave consent. I know that teacehers should be held to a higher standard then say an athlete, but if nothing illegal was done, why is he in trouble??
i didnt read the article, how old was he?
i didnt read the article, how old was he?
02-24-2006, 03:12 PM
KentuckyHillBilly5321 Wrote:I hope you guys are not serious.
I am around kids of this age every single day--and I can tell you that things like this NEVER even occur to me. And if they did--I would immediately get out of coaching. A lot of these kids are extremely sensative to any type of feedback or conversation that they get from adults--good or bad. So you really have to be careful to begin with so kids don't get the wrong message. I would not want a teacher or coach to go down this road with one of my kids regardless of their age.
Seriously--even if I had a kid in college--I doubt that I would want them dating a teacher. It is just different.
I couldn't agree more!
02-24-2006, 04:00 PM
Let me start by saying that I in NO WAY AGREE WITH OR CONDONE WHAT THE TEACHER DID!!!!
I have a daughter...in fact, I have 3 of them with the oldest being in high school. I would NEVER want any of them to have a personal relationship with any teacher at any age! And, the teacher should have never acted upon any flirtations or advances that was made by the girls or in which he made upon the girls himself!
However, I would like to say that I hold a lot of blame for girls, and boys for that matter, being too sexually active at such an early age on the parents. It appalls me when parents of 7th grade girls are letting their daughter date sophmore boys in high school..and it happens everyday!!! Over 40% of all incoming freshmans have already had intercourse or been in sexual situations upon entering high school. We are talking about 13/14 year old children!!!
By the time that they become seniors at the age of 17/18, they have been sexually active for 4 years. This is ridiculous!
Who knows all the details of this particular situation...it was wrong no matter what it was...but I can and have seen 17 year old girls hitting on 25-30 year old men and actually be the aggressive ones about it.
I have a daughter...in fact, I have 3 of them with the oldest being in high school. I would NEVER want any of them to have a personal relationship with any teacher at any age! And, the teacher should have never acted upon any flirtations or advances that was made by the girls or in which he made upon the girls himself!
However, I would like to say that I hold a lot of blame for girls, and boys for that matter, being too sexually active at such an early age on the parents. It appalls me when parents of 7th grade girls are letting their daughter date sophmore boys in high school..and it happens everyday!!! Over 40% of all incoming freshmans have already had intercourse or been in sexual situations upon entering high school. We are talking about 13/14 year old children!!!
By the time that they become seniors at the age of 17/18, they have been sexually active for 4 years. This is ridiculous!
Who knows all the details of this particular situation...it was wrong no matter what it was...but I can and have seen 17 year old girls hitting on 25-30 year old men and actually be the aggressive ones about it.
02-24-2006, 05:38 PM
Well, I will be the first female to react that is around the age of the students. I am a 18 year old high school senior so here is my view on it. Stuff like this happens daily. I mean not just around here but in all parts of the world. Students develop crushes on their teachers, they is just something to draws people to them. They are older, smarter, some are good looking, and you are around them 5 days a week so crushes can develop. Is it right? No, but it does happen. No teacher should react upon a student flirting. A teacher and I were talking the other day about how we could see how a teacher could like a student, it is someone that you are around at least an hour every day 5 days a week BUT even if a teacher does develop feelings for a student they should in no way be acted upon. Now, when a student gets out of high school and something happens with a previous teacher, then there is nothing that the school board, parents, or state can really do about it. I am 18 myself and I don't even claim that my parents have no control over some of my decisions. As long as I am living at home they can control alot of things. Back on topic, kids are having sex at very young ages now. I can proudly say that I was not one of them. It actually sickens me to know what people do now. I grew up in the generation that girls lost their virginity in 7th grade or so and boys too. It is hard to explain but I always considered myself in a more mature mindset than that on my peers. They were always "in love" with a new person every week and I was NEVER like that. Call me a liar if you want but I never sat around and doodled my name and theirs and I love so and so and Lindsay loves blah blah blah, that wasn't who I was. I understood that I was not old enough to know what that kind of love is. Kids are easily influenced and even though 17 isn't as young as say 12, poor judgement and bad decisions are made. Hell, I was there VERY recently, I've done things that I regret and would do some stuff over given the chance but never would I allow myself to let something like this situation happen. I have a better understanding of morale and self respect than this...
02-24-2006, 05:48 PM
thetribe Wrote:Well, I will be the first female to react that is around the age of the students. I am a 18 year old high school senior so here is my view on it. Stuff like this happens daily. I mean not just around here but in all parts of the world. Students develop crushes on their teachers, they is just something to draws people to them. They are older, smarter, some are good looking, and you are around them 5 days a week so crushes can develop. Is it right? No, but it does happen. No teacher should react upon a student flirting. A teacher and I were talking the other day about how we could see how a teacher could like a student, it is someone that you are around at least an hour every day 5 days a week BUT even if a teacher does develop feelings for a student they should in no way be acted upon. Now, when a student gets out of high school and something happens with a previous teacher, then there is nothing that the school board, parents, or state can really do about it. I am 18 myself and I don't even claim that my parents have no control over some of my decisions. As long as I am living at home they can control alot of things. Back on topic, kids are having sex at very young ages now. I can proudly say that I was not one of them. It actually sickens me to know what people do now. I grew up in the generation that girls lost their virginity in 7th grade or so and boys too. It is hard to explain but I always considered myself in a more mature mindset than that on my peers. They were always "in love" with a new person every week and I was NEVER like that. Call me a liar if you want but I never sat around and doodled my name and theirs and I love so and so and Lindsay loves blah blah blah, that wasn't who I was. I understood that I was not old enough to know what that kind of love is. Kids are easily influenced and even though 17 isn't as young as say 12, poor judgement and bad decisions are made. Hell, I was there VERY recently, I've done things that I regret and would do some stuff over given the chance but never would I allow myself to let something like this situation happen. I have a better understanding of morale and self respect than this...Liar.
02-25-2006, 02:33 AM
BCF4L Wrote:Odds are...Yes! I know its a double standard, but things are different when it comes to girls. But I don't see how the teacher gets in trouble when the girls agree to sex with him. It's not his fault they agreed to it.
It is his fault. He is SUPPOSED to be an adult and know that messing around with any students in a sexual manner is WRONG. He should never be in a situation that involves students and sex. How blind can you be?
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