[Objective]

1. Belfry (7)
2. Boyle County (5)
3. Corbin
4. Lexington Catholic
5. Louisville Central
6. Elizabethtown
7. Russell
8. Paducah Tilghman
9. Caldwell County
10. Bell County

....MINE....

1. Boyle co ....Clear cut favorite

2. Belfrey ....good but a step below Boyle Co

3.Lexingotn Cathloic two good teams here but I thing Boyle and Belfrey are a step better
3. Louisville Central

I feel there is a big gap between 4 and everyone else. Tilghman is just a notch above the bottom 5

5. Paducah Tilghman

6-10 Corbin, Bell co, Elizabethtown, Russell, Caldwell Co ...in any order you like


3A is down more than I hoped

[AtlPirateFan]

I agree that Adair, Hart, and Henry have started well but here is what it Top 10 in 3A would look like based on record alone:

Adair County
Corbin
Boyle County
Elizabethtown
Hart County
Henry County
Union County
Belfry
Morgan County

So does that look better? Russell would be #11 as the other undefeated team.

With that said, I fully agree that many teams have their past held against them.

I don't think anyone advocates anything based on records, I know I wasn't. I believe that quality wins should be taken into account and a loss, regardless of who it is too is a loss and should not outweigh a solid win. Does a loss to a good team outweigh a quality win? Hart Co shutout Ballard and have no love at all. Lex Cath still considered a top 5 team because they lost to Johnson Central and Ryle? Yes they may contend in the West LATER in the year but currently they are 1 - 2. I am just not a fan of the quality loss idea. Maybe I just like to over analyze when I am bored.

Lawrence Co fell out of the top 10, their only loss is to Montgomery Co - whose only loss is to Collins in a tight game and who has received votes for the top 10 in 5A. At this point they are more deserving of Top 10 than Lex Cath, Bell or Central. Yes I know both Lex Cath and Central will compete in the playoffs most likely, but a top 10 should be based on current metrics and not how we think things will shake out.

Corbin is 3-0 and I think most people agree #3 is a bit high based on competition played and performance against said competition. Heck I wouldn't even rank Bell top 10 at this point because their wins are against very weak competition and their loss to Boyle was decisive.

[AtlPirateFan]

I guess I have rambled about it enough and should list how I see it. This would be my top 10 3A, it is very unorthodox I know. I will explain my reasoning for each pick.

NOTE: I am not arguing that the BGR rankings are wrong. I just like to discuss these things and maybe open the eyes of those who vote to things outside their normal ballot considerations.

1. Boyle - Dismantling Competition
2. Belfry - Young at key positions
3. Caldwell Co - 2 solid wins against bigger schools. Loss was a tight game against an at this point OK Christian Co. Most overlooked team to move to 3A this year
4. Corbin - Could be lower but I give them the nudge.
5. Elizabethtown - Much like Corbin their wins are not quality but are against larger class schools
6. Paducah Tilghman - Tough Schedule as always. Slow Start as always but the McCraken Win edges out the next few.
7. Central - Tough Schedule, CAL win was solid. Loss to Knox Central drops them down the list
8. Russell - Wins are wins, but Greenup should have been a bigger win in my eyes and Ironton gets too much weight these days. They are not the Ironton of old.
9. Lawrence Co - Solid start, nice win over Fairview.
10. Hart Co. - Playing good defense, nice win over Ballard

Knocking on the door: Garrard, Lex Cath, Bell in that order.

[Jack Lambert]

I agree that Adair, Hart, and Henry have started well but here is what it Top 10 in 3A would look like based on record alone:

Adair County
Corbin
Boyle County
Elizabethtown
Hart County
Henry County
Union County
Belfry
Morgan County

So does that look better? Russell would be #11 as the other undefeated team.

With that said, I fully agree that many teams have their past held against them.

So are you saying this is where Boyle and Belfry should be ranked in 3A?

[KYHSFBFan]

I don't think anyone advocates anything based on records, I know I wasn't. I believe that quality wins should be taken into account and a loss, regardless of who it is too is a loss and should not outweigh a solid win. Does a loss to a good team outweigh a quality win? Hart Co shutout Ballard and have no love at all. Lex Cath still considered a top 5 team because they lost to Johnson Central and Ryle? Yes they may contend in the West LATER in the year but currently they are 1 - 2. I am just not a fan of the quality loss idea. Maybe I just like to over analyze when I am bored.

Lawrence Co fell out of the top 10, their only loss is to Montgomery Co - whose only loss is to Collins in a tight game and who has received votes for the top 10 in 5A. At this point they are more deserving of Top 10 than Lex Cath, Bell or Central. Yes I know both Lex Cath and Central will compete in the playoffs most likely, but a top 10 should be based on current metrics and not how we think things will shake out.

Corbin is 3-0 and I think most people agree #3 is a bit high based on competition played and performance against said competition. Heck I wouldn't even rank Bell top 10 at this point because their wins are against very weak competition and their loss to Boyle was decisive.

Man, you're killing me here. Got to step in and say this. Nothing personal, but, 1) Hart Co's win vs Ballard was a very, very average win. Ballard's most likely in the lower tier of 2a. 2) Lawrence Co deserves to be over Lex Cath/Central? What? Are you serious? Is it strickly because they have a 2-1 record and the other 2 have a 1-2 record? Lawrence would be run clocked by Ryle, Johnson Central, CAL or Manual. All 4 would run clock them. Not buying that one, but,I may give you the benefit of the doubt on Bell Co. 3) Now you say Bell doesn't even belong because they beat weak competition and got beat by a big margin to the #1 team in the class. Weren't you just defending Hart Co and their weak schedule? 4) You also acknowledge Corbin at 3-0 is probably rated too high, however, based on what else you've said in here, if we go by the matrix, you can't get any better than 3-0, right, so, why shouldn't they be #3, since Lex Cath, Central and PT, the 3 teams right behind them all have 1-2 records?

[EKUAlum05]

FWIW, my 3A Rankings:
1. Boyle County
2. Belfry
3. Lexington Catholic
4. Central
5. Corbin
6. Caldwell County
7. Paducah Tilghman
8. Etown
9. Russell
10. Lawrence County

[AtlPirateFan]

Man, you're killing me here. Got to step in and say this. Nothing personal, but, 1) Hart Co's win vs Ballard was a very, very average win. Ballard's most likely in the lower tier of 2a. 2) Lawrence Co deserves to be over Lex Cath/Central? What? Are you serious? Is it strickly because they have a 2-1 record and the other 2 have a 1-2 record? Lawrence would be run clocked by Ryle, Johnson Central, CAL or Manual. All 4 would run clock them. Not buying that one, but,I may give you the benefit of the doubt on Bell Co. 3) Now you say Bell doesn't even belong because they beat weak competition and got beat by a big margin to the #1 team in the class. Weren't you just defending Hart Co and their weak schedule? 4) You also acknowledge Corbin at 3-0 is probably rated too high, however, based on what else you've said in here, if we go by the matrix, you can't get any better than 3-0, right, so, why shouldn't they be #3, since Lex Cath, Central and PT, the 3 teams right behind them all have 1-2 records?

Of course Ballard are not a team of world beaters and they most likely won't contend for state, they however definitely a solid 2A team and a win over them is not completely meaningless.

Lawrence, I actually only put them before Lex Cath once I really analyzed things. I don't subscribe to the "Quality Loss" theory, games are played for the win, not to lose closely. Yes, who you play matters, but so does who you beat.

Record alone can't be used being 3-0 at this point doesn't make you top 10 worthy, but neither does a loss just because they would put a running clock on Team X. Lex Cath is getting a ton of hype and praise and they haven't beat anyone of significance, even a mid-tier win would move them up to me but they don't have it. They have a win over Boone Co that's it.

As for Bell and Lawrence. The difference is Bell beat two weak opponents and got hammered by Boyle. Lawrence lost by 2 TD's to a much improved Montgomery Co. and beat a pretty solid Fairview offense. This is where I say the past holds too much weight, Montgomery's record last year does not reflect what they are doing right now on the field. In two weeks this win could lose weight or gain it. You have to look at teams SOS and their opponents SOS to get a real picture. Look at Garrard Co in 2011, it wasn't until the regional finals that they started to be considered a serious contender, since then they constantly pop up in the top 10.

A quality win is not an upset, while an upset is a quality win it is not required to be an upset to be quality. A quality win is beating a team who is currently playing strong football. Three weeks from now after teams have more games under their belt a win that looks quality this week may look run of the mill and a game that looks like a meaningless win this week ould turn out to be a significant win as the season goes on.

As each week passes things will solidify, Lex Cath, Bell,Central and all the other recognizable names might creep back up into the mix but I contend they need to put quality W's on the board for that to be the case and be given credibility just because of who they are.

[WILDCAT NATION]

So are you saying this is where Boyle and Belfry should be ranked in 3A?

Not at all. My point was these are the teams with spotless records in 3A for the KHSAA site. I took it that some are saying overall record should matter. Maybe I took it wrong.

I believe Boyle and Belfry are 1 and 2 and are a notch above the rest and will most likely stay there all year. In my opinion,
it will take an upset for them to not meet in Bowling Green. They are the clear favorites.

[UK1fan]

6A 1. Louisville Trinity (12) 2. Male 3. Scott County 4. Saint Xavier 5. DuPont Manual 6. Simon Kenton 7. Ryle 8. Cooper 9. Lafayette 10. Bryan Station - See more at: http://bluegrassrivals.com/forum/showthr...625Z4.dpuf



Didn't Bryan Station just shut out Cooper? And Cooper is still ranked a head of Bryan Station?

[HighViz]

Corbin beating Belfry isn't an upset in my eyes. as a matter of fact, i think Corbin will be the better team come playoff time.

[EKUAlum05]

Corbin beating Belfry isn't an upset in my eyes. as a matter of fact, i think Corbin will be the better team come playoff time.

I definitely think Corbin will improve drastically..but from what I have seen of Corbin thusfar my honest assessment is I am not sure they would hang within 3 TD's of Belfry if they played right now.

Smaller, slower, less experienced, and fewer playmakers.

Not to mention if these two do meet the game will be at CAM.

[bcpc]

I doubt the hounds are much smaller, I doubt they would win by 3 touchdowns now, you have me on the experience.... But I have you with Haddix. Is there anyway we could jus play at the old field? This team would do even better in the 8" of mud.. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Haddix has Haywood's #.... He knows Haywood's game..and haywood is ofer against him with him on the field or sideline. Has the Defense this year to stop him too..

[bcpc]

this isn't one of belfrys great teams ya know... They are a lil green this year too...

[EKUAlum05]

this isn't one of belfrys great teams ya know... They are a lil green this year too...

They returned 7 starters each way with many of them starting in '14 and '13

Just because Belfry doesn't have but a handful of Seniors doesn't make them green

[dawgbyte02]

lawrence county has the potential to be a legit contender this year. they have the athletes, all about the coaching.

[bcpc]

Lawrence will be a tuff out..

[KYHSFBFan]

this isn't one of belfrys great teams ya know... They are a lil green this year too...

Really? I question this because all I heard after last years title was how great they were going to be the next 3-4 years and some even saying you may as well just mail them the trophy these next few years. Did they not return a bunch of kids from last years team and have some great upcoming freshmen, which are now sophomores?

[bcpc]

Eku, so you return 7 key players each way?

[EKUAlum05]

I doubt the hounds are much smaller, I doubt they would win by 3 touchdowns now, you have me on the experience.... But I have you with Haddix. Is there anyway we could jus play at the old field? This team would do even better in the 8" of mud.. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Haddix has Haywood's #.... He knows Haywood's game..and haywood is ofer against him with him on the field or sideline. Has the Defense this year to stop him too..

Want to compare Lines?

TE #44 Cole Bentley 6'4 301 Jr
T #61 Austin Dotson 6'6 276 Jr
G #76 Jordan Scott 6'5 305 Jr
C #5 6 Brayden Preece 5'9 200 Jr
G #5 4 Jordan Wolford 5'11 307 Jr
T #5 3 Austin Gibbs 6'2 276 Sr

"and haywood is ofer against him with him on the field or sideline."
False... I don't know what years Haddix coached at Breathitt as an Assistant but as a player he was 1-1. Belfry beat him his Junior year in Jackson 27-26 when Haddix threw I believe 4 INT's

Breathitt upset Belfry in '08 if he was coaching then..but Belfry destroyed the Bobcats in '07 in the Semi's.. I think it was 63-28 or somewhere around there.

[EKUAlum05]

Eku, so you return 7 key players each way?

Absolutely

Offense:
TE Bentley*
T Gibbs*
G Scott*
T A. Dotson
HB Willis*
HB Catron
QB Corbett (Became starting QB until an injury last year)

Defense:
DT Horton*
DT Bentley*
DE TJ Dotson*
DE Hall*
LB Sanger (Starting nose last year)
CB Varney
S Catron *

ST:
P Dev. Wellman*
PK Woolum*

All players with a * started in 2014 and 2013

Remember when Belfry beat Wayne County they did it with 6 Freshman playing key minutes.. so the majority of these guys will also be back next year as 4 year starters.

Belfry only has 3 Senior Starters on Offense and 3 on Defense.

[EKUAlum05]

years. Did they not return a bunch of kids from last years team and have some great upcoming freshmen, which are now sophomores?

S Adkins, CB Varney, and LB Wellman all start as Sophomores.

[bcpc]

Through with the Belfry talk. I am pretty positive your numbers are messed up..... You might be right in 01' tho. See ya in the playoffs... Glad CAM actually put sand under their new playing surface. Bet they hate how the drainage system actually works. Jus for the record tho, you return your starting RB 's, QB, and LB's tho right?

[EKUAlum05]

Through with the Belfry talk. I am pretty positive your numbers are messed up..... You might be right in 01' tho. See ya in the playoffs... Glad CAM actually put sand under their new playing surface. Bet they hate how the drainage system actually works. Jus for the record tho, you return your starting RB 's, QB, and LB's tho right?

I am pretty positive my numbers are pretty much dead on

Belfry won in 07 62-28, not 63-28

Those heights and measurements are from the official roster:
http://www.medicalleader.org/pdf/archive...2015_b.pdf

If you want to check for yourself.




As mentioned Belfry returns both starting HB's, and Corbett became the starter but was injured vs. JC and missed the playoffs... Belfry does not return either starting LB...but Sanger was the starting NG and has moved to LB.

For the record if Browning continues to perform in Corbett's suspension he might not be the QB1 for long though.

Would love to see Corbin in the playoffs... don't think it will be Bell after Pike Central gave them all they wanted.

[dawgbyte02]

They returned 7 starters each way with many of them starting in '14 and '13

Just because Belfry doesn't have but a handful of Seniors doesn't make them green

belfry is never green.

[dawgbyte02]

Not at all. My point was these are the teams with spotless records in 3A for the KHSAA site. I took it that some are saying overall record should matter. Maybe I took it wrong.

I believe Boyle and Belfry are 1 and 2 and are a notch above the rest and will most likely stay there all year. In my opinion,
it will take an upset for them to not meet in Bowling Green. They are the clear favorites.

at this point i agree.

[irishcard16]

Want to compare Lines?

TE #44 Cole Bentley 6'4 301 Jr
T #61 Austin Dotson 6'6 276 Jr
G #76 Jordan Scott 6'5 305 Jr
C #5 6 Brayden Preece 5'9 200 Jr
G #5 4 Jordan Wolford 5'11 307 Jr
T #5 3 Austin Gibbs 6'2 276 Sr

"and haywood is ofer against him with him on the field or sideline."
False... I don't know what years Haddix coached at Breathitt as an Assistant but as a player he was 1-1. Belfry beat him his Junior year in Jackson 27-26 when Haddix threw I believe 4 INT's

Breathitt upset Belfry in '08 if he was coaching then..but Belfry destroyed the Bobcats in '07 in the Semi's.. I think it was 63-28 or somewhere around there.

Correct EKU on the '01 game. Down 26-7. Ended up winning 27-26. Some may even say it was a choke job by Breathitt Co AND their QB. To let a spread option, time consuming offense comeback and win. And it was AT LEAST 4 interceptions. The one game I'll always remember playing in.

[pjdoug]

FWIW, my 3A Rankings:
1. Boyle County
2. Belfry
3. Lexington Catholic
4. Central
5. Corbin
6. Caldwell County
7. Paducah Tilghman
8. Etown
9. Russell
10. Lawrence County

no way is Corbin behind Central and Catholic.

[pjdoug]

This is just me being curious to your opinion... dont take it as a slight



With respect what have you seen that I haven't with Corbin because we are clearly on the opposite ends of the spectrum?

They have played two very mediocre teams in Waggener and Whitley County and beat them soundly, but not in the dominant manner expected.

They played an awful Clay County team that they should have had a running clock by Halftime against and Clay actually had some success moving the ball and also moments of slowing down the Corbin offense. Truth be told I came away after watching that game a little disappointed in Corbin.

I didn't see a lot of team speed, their passing game lacks a vertical component, their backs run hard but are not extremely skilled, their Defense plays tough and is well coached but lacks elite size or overall team speed.

Truth be told I expect them to beat Danville but lose to Southwestern and get crushed by Mayfield.

I know they will improve as the season goes because they are so young..but I would take a healthy Russell over Corbin right now from what I have seen thusfar. I dont think Corbin is anywhere close to being as good as they were last year at this time.

Was I just reading too much into a game that Corbin was sleep walking through or have you seen something in the other action that suggests otherwise?

nicker: @ crushed by Mayfield.

[killbilly usmc]

nicker: @ crushed by Mayfield.

You and 64 will b cuddled up comforting eachother like butwheats avatar after the Mayfield game.