Coaches or Players?

owls_r_#1 · 02-10-2006, 10:55 AM

Who do you think makes the most impact on a game? Do the coaches run it all, do they make the correct plays and play the right people? Or, do the players decide? :Wave:

snoop · 02-10-2006, 11:26 AM

A coach is only as good as his or her horses!!!!!

Thug_24 · 02-10-2006, 11:43 AM

I think that it is the players because they have to perform and the coach can't come off the bench and play for them.

All_Sport#1 · 02-10-2006, 01:04 PM

both but the players have more of an impact!

i-dono · 02-10-2006, 01:14 PM

A coach can have the perfect gameplan, and put a player in the right spot, with the right advice, but someone has to do it!

In retrospect if you don't know what do do...you can't do it...lol

IMO it takes a little of both, and alot of both is a +!

Kitty · 02-12-2006, 07:44 PM

A good coach helps but you have to have the horses.

spectator4bball · 02-12-2006, 10:06 PM

Who trains the horses?

The coach?:coach: :argue:

Dawg Family · 02-13-2006, 11:41 AM

I argee that a coach has to have player's or the game wont happen but as far as have them player be as you all call it HORSE'es will that I dont argee with a good coach can take an average team and make them good .One example is the girls coach at Fallsburg he has won the OVC small school divsion the past 2 years and several AAU tittles and has done it with limited talent but he gets things out of his kids that an average coach couldn't get .I have said all along that if he was coaching are High School girls that LC would have a state tittle hanging in the gym by now .But with all the politics here that wont ever happen .A person would think that if you haven't had a winning season in 15 years that the coach would just step down and realize that they can't coach but not here !!!:bow:

Nike Man · 02-13-2006, 01:49 PM

"Dawg Family" Wrote:I argee that a coach has to have player's or the game wont happen but as far as have them player be as you all call it HORSE'es will that I dont argee with a good coach can take an average team and make them good .One example is the girls coach at Fallsburg he has won the OVC small school divsion the past 2 years and several AAU tittles and has done it with limited talent but he gets things out of his kids that an average coach couldn't get .I have said all along that if he was coaching are High School girls that LC would have a state tittle hanging in the gym by now .But with all the politics here that wont ever happen .A person would think that if you haven't had a winning season in 15 years that the coach would just step down and realize that they can't coach but not here !!!:bow:

Mr. Cassidy will never be the head coach at LCHS. One reason, he's all about himself. He's never supported the LCHS program and in fact has caused Coach Evans alot of problems. I think she will move on after this season but to say Cassidy can take this program to the next level is insane. Good luck Coach evans and the Lady Dawgs in district tournament.

bballmama · 02-13-2006, 02:04 PM

I think the only time a program can grow is when the kids grow themselves. They have to be commited to playing after the season is over. Working on their own game and improving their skills, not just during the regular season. A lot of kids (boys and girls) just want to play during the season and after the last game they never touch a ball again until the next year's season starts. I also think you need a coach who encourages this behavior even if its not playing for them off season. As long as they are playing somewhere, for someone even if its against their mom or dad , just play.(sorry got a lil off topic..lol)

Dawg Family · 02-13-2006, 03:29 PM

"Nike Man" Wrote:Mr. Cassidy will never be the head coach at LCHS. One reason, he's all about himself. He's never supported the LCHS program and in fact has caused Coach Evans alot of problems. I think she will move on after this season but to say Cassidy can take this program to the next level is insane. Good luck Coach evans and the Lady Dawgs in district tournament.

If you think Mr Cassidy is all about him self then I think it's safe to say that you have never had a kid that's played for him! As for not supporting LCHS I think the time he spends coaching and teaching these kids the game of basketball means alot he doesn't get paid for it he spends a lot of time helping these kids and for what ! So they can move on up and try to help the LC program . What does he get in return ? I haven't heard him ask for nothing . I also know that he has sent a lot of very good players up to coach Evans and I am sure she likes the help . And if you ask any Girl that has played for him you will find that they love this guy .Ask the same thing of the girls that play for Coach Evans!As for coach Evans leaveing after this year I would be willing to bet the farm agiants that one .But I will say this when she does you will see this program change directions and the only way it can go is up . With all this said and done I think we should get back on the topic of this form .Which in my opinion I think a coach can make the difference in a good team or a not so good team .

#_4 · 02-13-2006, 04:02 PM

Players

syoung · 02-16-2006, 06:44 PM

It is definitely.......the PLAYERS!!!!! We had a "coach" and all that she ever said was "go out there and play, girls". She never once called a play or had any idea how to play but, she was the coach. We won more games that year than any other team....imagine that. Oh yeah,.....she got coach of the year.

Dawg Family · 02-16-2006, 10:45 PM

"syoung" Wrote:It is definitely.......the PLAYERS!!!!! We had a "coach" and all that she ever said was "go out there and play, girls". She never once called a play or had any idea how to play but, she was the coach. We won more games that year than any other team....imagine that. Oh yeah,.....she got coach of the year.

What school did you go to and what year was this ? I see that you are from LC but I just can't emagine Coach Evans ever getting coach of the year and I have never just seen her sit by and not be yelling at the girls and asking them if they are stupid or something because I have heard that several time's come from her when she gets wrapedd up in the moment.:bow:

UKGIRL20 · 02-16-2006, 11:48 PM

The players

b-ball_gal2006 · 02-17-2006, 12:06 AM

a little of both makes a good team

rookie_0833 · 02-17-2006, 12:23 AM

I would have to say the players make the difference if you win or lose. You could have the best coach in history, and have some players that don't give a flip if they win or lose, and that's were you run into trouble. When you do anything in life you got to have Heart, Pride, and Guts. That's what will make you better on and off the Court. When it come down to it, it's up to the 5 players out on the floor, all the coach can do is tell you the plan and hope it falls through! Confused

ecret: :beg:

bballmama · 02-17-2006, 12:36 AM

"syoung" Wrote:It is definitely.......the PLAYERS!!!!! We had a "coach" and all that she ever said was "go out there and play, girls". She never once called a play or had any idea how to play but, she was the coach. We won more games that year than any other team....imagine that. Oh yeah,.....she got coach of the year.

lol omg those were the days, don't forget she did clap when she told us to go play, so there was some physical activity on her part..:lmao:

smoothie · 02-17-2006, 04:37 PM

If you don't think the Coach makes a difference then look at the difference between Kentucky with Pitino and Tubby.

If you don't think a Coach makes a difference then how has the top teams every year been able to be the top teams?

SOMEBODY HAD TO TEACH THEM!

older than dirt · 02-17-2006, 06:09 PM

"bballmama" Wrote:I think the only time a program can grow is when the kids grow themselves. They have to be commited to playing after the season is over. Working on their own game and improving their skills, not just during the regular season. A lot of kids (boys and girls) just want to play during the season and after the last game they never touch a ball again until the next year's season starts. I also think you need a coach who encourages this behavior even if its not playing for them off season. As long as they are playing somewhere, for someone even if its against their mom or dad , just play.(sorry got a lil off topic..lol)

Great post, bballmama. You have to have a coach who is interested and knows how to work with kids, not as a group, but with individuals. At the same time, you have to have players who have a love of the game and want to excel.

owls_r_#1 · 02-19-2006, 06:30 PM

This thread has became rather interesting. I am still stickin to it though..I believe the players make the plays and they run it...75% players...but 25% of it is the coaches...they teach the kids the plays and run or scold them when they arent performing to potential...75% players, 25% coach.

spectator4bball · 02-19-2006, 09:44 PM

"smoothie" Wrote:If you don't think the Coach makes a difference then look at the difference between Kentucky with Pitino and Tubby.

If you don't think a Coach makes a difference then how has the top teams every year been able to be the top teams?

SOMEBODY HAD TO TEACH THEM!

Bravo, well said.:Thumbs: :rock: :High5:

syoung · 02-19-2006, 10:11 PM

That' s the only thing that she could do! I can still see her on the side lines just clapping and saying "Go girls". I am so glad that they finally got her out of there.

Sorry....this is in answer to your comment bballmama...silly me:omg:

syoung · 02-19-2006, 10:15 PM

:Nodding:

"smoothie" Wrote:If you don't think the Coach makes a difference then look at the difference between Kentucky with Pitino and Tubby.

If you don't think a Coach makes a difference then how has the top teams every year been able to be the top teams?

SOMEBODY HAD TO TEACH THEM!

It's called talent and determination.....on the part of the players. I agree that the coach is important for team morale and organization and yes to teach but, a team can win and win often without a coach. You can have the best dang coach in the world and still never win a game.

Kitty · 02-19-2006, 10:55 PM

You can recruit in college. Pittno can recruit and he is the best coach. H.S. you are stuck with what you got. So if you have a talented player or a few good players you can have a good team. It takes both but you have to have good athletes.

Dawg Family · 02-19-2006, 11:05 PM

"Kitty" Wrote:You can recruit in college. Pittno can recruit and he is the best coach. H.S. you are stuck with what you got. So if you have a talented player or a few good players you can have a good team. It takes both but you have to have good athletes.

A coach cant recruit in high school but they can get out in the halls and try to get kids to come out and play for them . I am sure its like this at a lot of other schools but at Lawrence Co thier is a lot of talent at the school that just will not play for are coach and its been this way for a long time now I would just love to see this change and I think some day it will .It has too :beg:

Paper Boy · 02-20-2006, 01:44 AM

One thing the LC teams have never had the last few years is the luxury of not being able to log onto the web and read what a bunch of "experts" think about their coach. John R. Wooden would be totally undermined by the "experts" surrounding LC girls hoops because someone would always be on the web carping about whether this or that next "superstar" was getting enough PT.
Think of what these kids are learning... that whining and griping are way more powerful than practice and determination. What a lesson.

hank · 02-20-2006, 11:35 AM

Some Horses eihter have it or don't!!!

"spectator4bball" Wrote:Who trains the horses?

The coach?:coach: :argue:

Dawg Family · 02-20-2006, 12:53 PM

"Paper Boy" Wrote:One thing the LC teams have never had the last few years is the luxury of not being able to log onto the web and read what a bunch of "experts" think about their coach. John R. Wooden would be totally undermined by the "experts" surrounding LC girls hoops because someone would always be on the web carping about whether this or that next "superstar" was getting enough PT.
Think of what these kids are learning... that whining and griping are way more powerful than practice and determination. What a lesson.

I think it would be safe to say that if John R. Wooden has been coaching for 15 years and hasn't had a winning season that they wouldn't need a webb site to do there griping he would have been FIRED .
And second of all what are these kids learning? I guess how to lose with class maybe because we sure have had the change to perfect that one :lmao:

Paper Boy · 02-20-2006, 04:24 PM

"Dawg Family" Wrote:I think it would be safe to say that if John R. Wooden has been coaching for 15 years and hasn't had a winning season that they wouldn't need a webb site to do there griping he would have been FIRED .
And second of all what are these kids learning? I guess how to lose with class maybe because we sure have had the change to perfect that one :lmao:

Dawg Family,

Well, for one John Wooden began coaching at UCLA in 1948 and it was 16 years before he would win the NCAA tournament -- with you as a booster he would have been selling farm tractors back in Indiana after 1954.
Lawrence County's current girls coach is in her sixth season as coach, inherited a team that posted a 7-17 record in 1999-2000 and improved them in wins by two.
Her team posted a winning season in 2003-2004 (13-12) and right now she has a career record of 66-85 and a winning percentage of .437, six points higher than her counterpart with the boys program, whose winning percentage is .431 (and he is an EXCELLENT coach and better human being).
She has never had the benefit of coaching without tragedy or conflict. She has never had the benefit of having strong parental support, and indeed has been undermined actively by certain people in the community.
Do I think she's John Wooden? Heck no... but in Louisa, no one gets a chance to prove whether they are or not.
I understand you don't like her, but don't misrepresent her record to suit your feelings.
BTW, if kids HAVE learned to lose with class, it certainly hasn't been from most of the fans.