[sstack]

Yep here we go again. HHS running clock first half. Greatest all time. All world. Well guess what, there will be a another. Very athletic team on the field again this year. I have had them #1 most of the year. Still wondering what happened at Henderson. This game will be tied going into 4th.

I have to disagree with you on the athletic team when talking about Owensboro. Last years Collins team did have athletes, but this Owensboro team is no Collins from the game I watched. Owensboro has a huge O line, but very slow and not very mobile. A lot of the line is very slow to react to the snap, stand straight up and are lucky if they take 2-3 steps and touch anybody. HHS has always done well against big/slow teams by excellent coaching and using their speed. QB will throw the ball a little but not very impressive, throws rainbows up for grabs. RB's will have no help around the ends and if Highlands stops the run up the middle(which I think they will), they have nothing. On D Owens looks more athletic but HHS will have more speed, will spread their D, and their backfield will not be ready for HHS O. HHS averaged 40+ PPG this year against better teams than Owens, I see 45+ points again in Championship game. Hoge will run at will in this game, Urlage should have some big holes to run through, and look for Vennaman to have a couple long completions. Owens O is very slow, methodical, and predictable. Their O is not built to keep up with the scoring HHS will be doing, even if they are able to move the ball against them. If they try going away from what they have been doing all year, they are just asking for mistakes to happen.
Owens does not have many guys going both ways. #6 the RB/DB went both ways and was very noticeably limping late in 4th quarter of last game (had no chance to get to Beasley on his last TD run because he was limping so bad), will be big lose if he is not at 100% against HHS.

[Frozenbird]

Game broadcast live, delayed, or not at all?

Should also be video over Internet from KHSAA. I think that is usually delayed but I may be mistaken.

[sstack]

Should also be video over Internet from KHSAA. I think that is usually delayed but I may be mistaken.

It will be live like always.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Running clock.

[tradition]

LUCKY?????hahahaha... That game was all Collins from the start. Yep Collins took their lumps this year and that was while in the reloading process. Don't get the number of kids HHS does each year. Am not going to bash the HHS program cause it is a darn good one. One that everyone wants to build to. But I will bash some fans everyday. I have HHS in my top 3 all year. Have had Owensboro up there also because of what they had returning from a good football team. But just cause you are HHS, don't think you can't be knocked off and no my friend, it wasn't luck either.

Obviously a newby. Highlands is small in numbers but plays UP in class. When Collins has won six championships in a row or won 22 or played in 25 then you get your voice. Until then, sit back and wait your turn.

I'm all yippidy skippidy about Collins being a new school and getting to state, but you haven't earned your dues just yet in my book. Collins wins 6 in the next ten years, then we can talk. Don't ever want to hear about rebuilding, that is a cop-out.:welcome:

[whackem'n'stackem']

When Highlands squeaked by CCH, they had just beaten the #2 4a team in the state. They beat the #3 team the week after and now they face #4 in Owensboro.

[mantax]

Obviously a newby. Highlands is small in numbers but plays UP in class. When Collins has won six championships in a row or won 22 or played in 25 then you get your voice. Until then, sit back and wait your turn.

I'm all yippidy skippidy about Collins being a new school and getting to state, but you haven't earned your dues just yet in my book. Collins wins 6 in the next ten years, then we can talk. Don't ever want to hear about rebuilding, that is a cop-out.:welcome:

Highlands does not play up in class. They are a 4A school and that is where they have competed since the last reclassification. Starting next year they will play up to 5A in order to continue playing their rival, the Blue Colonels of Park Hills. They did play up to 5A prior to the last reclassification so that they did not have to drive all over the Commonwealth to play games. From what I understand, next years schedule will include all NKY teams except for Louisville St. Xavier and Scott County.

[mantax]

When Highlands squeaked by CCH, they had just beaten the #2 4a team in the state. They beat the #3 team the week after and now they face #4 in Owensboro.

Did you not have this team eliminated a few weeks ago and now you want to jump back on the wagon?:biggrin:

[sstack]

When Highlands squeaked by CCH, they had just beaten the #2 4a team in the state. They beat the #3 team the week after and now they face #4 in Owensboro.

I do not see Owensboro being #4, I would put HHS, Cov Cath, Lex Cath, Boyle, Ashland and JC ahead of them.

[whackem'n'stackem']

I do not see Owensboro being #4, I would put HHS, Cov Cath, Lex Cath, Boyle, Ashland and JC ahead of them.

Ashland may be a stretch but I tend to agree that Boyle JC and Owensboro are all interchangeable. If Birds lose, they'll beat themselves and I don't see it happening after last year.

[pjdoug]

"That game was all Collins from the start." Who told you that? If you believe that you obviously weren't there and haven't seen it since.

It was INCREDIBLE luck. There are lots of what ifs in every game, but were it not for a WELL DESERVED unsportsmanlike call on the last drive, the clock runs out and there is no time for a miraculous play and we are talking about Highlands going for #8 in a row.

it was Collins with the win at the end and that's what counts :truestory:

[killbilly usmc]

it was Collins with the win at the end and that's what counts :truestory:

Im proud of you for posting on a good teams thread, and not calling them a weak jelly roll.

[Blau Vogel]

it was Collins with the win at the end and that's what counts :truestory:

I agree TOTALLY. I was just disputing Tommy One Note's not lucky claim. The play that ultimately decided the game, was not a play at all, it was a penalty. Neither team dominated the other.

[tradition]

Highlands does not play up in class. They are a 4A school and that is where they have competed since the last reclassification. Starting next year they will play up to 5A in order to continue playing their rival, the Blue Colonels of Park Hills. They did play up to 5A prior to the last reclassification so that they did not have to drive all over the Commonwealth to play games. From what I understand, next years schedule will include all NKY teams except for Louisville St. Xavier and Scott County.

Highlands a few years ago played up two classes. Now they are in class. Next year they will be up a class and will again be probably close to the bottom as far as male enrollment like they were a few years ago.

My point is, Highlands is usually playing up or playing in a class that fits us number wise but competition wise is completely off.
For as small of a school Highlands is, they compete with the largest of classes.

[Tommy2tone]

Obviously a newby. Highlands is small in numbers but plays UP in class. When Collins has won six championships in a row or won 22 or played in 25 then you get your voice. Until then, sit back and wait your turn.

I'm all yippidy skippidy about Collins being a new school and getting to state, but you haven't earned your dues just yet in my book. Collins wins 6 in the next ten years, then we can talk. Don't ever want to hear about rebuilding, that is a cop-out.:welcome:

Newby? Another laugher. Been around this game for more years than I care to mention and on message boards for many of them. I said Collins reloaded this year. No doubt they will be back next year. By the numbers I was referring to numbers in football players. Coach Lucas is working hard on getting more plAyers in program. I have yet to dog HHS and what they have accomplished and have stated that Collins is working on building such a tradition. I will dog any highlands fan who thinks their team is much bigger than the universe. Enjoy your weekend in BG, wish I was going.

[sstack]

Newby? Another laugher. Been around this game for more years than I care to mention and on message boards for many of them. I said Collins reloaded this year. No doubt they will be back next year. By the numbers I was referring to numbers in football players. Coach Lucas is working hard on getting more plAyers in program. I have yet to dog HHS and what they have accomplished and have stated that Collins is working on building such a tradition. I will dog any highlands fan who thinks their team is much bigger than the universe. Enjoy your weekend in BG, wish I was going.

I have never heard any HHS fan proclaim for HHS to be bigger than the universe. A lot have laid claim to being one of the best programs if not the best in KY, which has been backed up. You have and will continue to dog HHS. You have tried ALL YEAR to put Highlands down and try to find any team you could to place over them (Madisonville, Boyle, Lex Cath, Owensboro, am I forgetting any?). Every time the team you picked ahead of HHS lost this year, you would pick another over them. I will have to go back and look, but I bet you already have Owensboro beating them in championship game. Birds just kept proving all the naysayers wrong and are right back in the finals and heavy favorites.

As for Collins; Is he having troubles getting kids out for the team? I would think after the two good years they had that kids would be beating the door down to join the team. They have a very good coaching staff and if he has the numbers come out for the team, I would expect them to continue to make some noise. Can't remember, do they stay in 4A or move classes?

[RunItUpTheGut]

Highlands a few years ago played up two classes. Now they are in class. Next year they will be up a class and will again be probably close to the bottom as far as male enrollment like they were a few years ago.

My point is, Highlands is usually playing up or playing in a class that fits us number wise but competition wise is completely off.
For as small of a school Highlands is, they compete with the largest of classes.

Why doesn't Highlands play up to 6A then? I think they have benefited off of moving when they want to. Either play in the class you are suppose to or play in the highest class.

That's the way it should be done, but it would hurt the win total.

[Tommy2tone]

Collins will stay in 4 A

[mantax]

Why doesn't Highlands play up to 6A then? I think they have benefited off of moving when they want to. Either play in the class you are suppose to or play in the highest class.

That's the way it should be done, but it would hurt the win total.

Please. Why should they play in 6A? They have played where they belonged since the last re-org. As you can see, they would be near the bottom of 4A in this next re-alignment. They move to 5A to help cut down on the excess travel costs that would be needed to stay in 4A.

Some of you people never cease to amaze. It is what it is and they are amongst the top 3 or 4 programs in the state and have been so consistently over the last 100 years.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Please. Why should they play in 6A? They have played where they belonged since the last re-org. As you can see, they would be near the bottom of 4A in this next re-alignment. They move to 5A to help cut down on the excess travel costs that would be needed to stay in 4A.

Some of you people never cease to amaze. It is what it is and they are amongst the top 3 or 4 programs in the state and have been so consistently over the last 100 years.

Travel time my foot. They'd most likely be in a 4 or 5 team district and only 1 or 2 long road trips a year at most. It's even more ridicolous when you consider what they would have had to travel in 4A anyways. Play in the class you are suppose to. The KHSAA had it right during the last realignment making teams play where they were suppose to but I guess the Highlands insiders got it done again.
Highlands numbers would almost put them down to 3A. What's wrong with that? Bowling Green has a good team for four years and what happened? It's funny it worked out like that. With your superiority complex I think you would be well suited playing 6A ball and the travel time wouldn't be that bad. You could be in a good district with less travel. You point is invalid if you say that's ridicolous because you are already going to 5A but we know how easy that will be since it's weak. There is no reason for Highlands playing up in class unless they want to play the top teams. Go ahead and move to 6A. You got a full district up there with Campbell and Ryle. If you're not worried about playing someone difficult make the jump and quit moving classes to suit your selves and your win total.

[mantax]

Travel time my foot. They'd most likely be in a 4 or 5 team district and only 1 or 2 long road trips a year at most. It's even more ridicolous when you consider what they would have had to travel in 4A anyways. Play in the class you are suppose to. The KHSAA had it right during the last realignment making teams play where they were suppose to but I guess the Highlands insiders got it done again.
Highlands numbers would almost put them down to 3A. What's wrong with that? Bowling Green has a good team for four years and what happened? It's funny it worked out like that. With your superiority complex I think you would be well suited playing 6A ball and the travel time wouldn't be that bad. You could be in a good district with less travel. You point is invalid if you say that's ridicolous because you are already going to 5A but we know how easy that will be since it's weak. There is no reason for Highlands playing up in class unless they want to play the top teams. Go ahead and move to 6A. You got a full district up there with Campbell and Ryle. If you're not worried about playing someone difficult make the jump and quit moving classes to suit your selves and your win total.

Your jealousy speaks volumes my friend. The 6A teams in the area would not play them over the last how many years. You sound like one of those that thinks they get kids from all over Ohio as well I am sure. I told you why they moved up to 5A and you scoffed at it. Hard to talk to someone that already has their own biased opinion.

[Blau Vogel]

Travel time my foot. They'd most likely be in a 4 or 5 team district and only 1 or 2 long road trips a year at most. It's even more ridicolous when you consider what they would have had to travel in 4A anyways. Play in the class you are suppose to. The KHSAA had it right during the last realignment making teams play where they were suppose to but I guess the Highlands insiders got it done again.
Highlands numbers would almost put them down to 3A. What's wrong with that? Bowling Green has a good team for four years and what happened? It's funny it worked out like that. With your superiority complex I think you would be well suited playing 6A ball and the travel time wouldn't be that bad. You could be in a good district with less travel. You point is invalid if you say that's ridicolous because you are already going to 5A but we know how easy that will be since it's weak. There is no reason for Highlands playing up in class unless they want to play the top teams. Go ahead and move to 6A. You got a full district up there with Campbell and Ryle. If you're not worried about playing someone difficult make the jump and quit moving classes to suit your selves and your win total.

Highlands will be the smallest enrollment 5A school playing in a district with Dixie which has the largest 5A enrollment.

5A Highlands (454.75) / Dixie Heights (754.25)

There are two dozen 4A schools with higher enrollment than Highlands. Maybe they should play in Florida 8A. Would that suit you?

[RunItUpTheGut]

Your jealousy speaks volumes my friend. The 6A teams in the area would not play them over the last how many years. You sound like one of those that thinks they get kids from all over Ohio as well I am sure. I told you why they moved up to 5A and you scoffed at it. Hard to talk to someone that already has their own biased opinion.

Jealous of what? I'm a grown ass man. I don't get upset over high school football. I put the letterman up a long time ago. Maybe you should as well. This is a discussion board. Its here for.....wait for it.....discussion.
I don't care where they get there kids from. Im not accusing you of recruiting or anything like that. Im asking a simple question as to why Highlands get preferential treatment when it comes to playing in the classes they so choose. Highlands should be playing in 3A or 4A, wherever there number put them. The only waivers should be for schools that have to travel hours to get to a district game. That would not be the case with Highlands. Don't say every team has the opportunity to play up so its fair because nobody else wants to.
I didn't hear any complaining from Highlands when they were stuck in the correct class over the last 4 years, but it became apparent with Bowling Green having the teams they had, Highlands wouldn't have wanted to play up anyways.

It all connects.
Its simple. I don't care if you have 30 boys or 300, play in the class you are suppose to play in. If you get the urge to play up, then play up to 6A, don't be scared.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Highlands will be the smallest enrollment 5A school playing in a district with Dixie which has the largest 5A enrollment.

5A Highlands (454.75) / Dixie Heights (754.25)

There are two dozen 4A schools with higher enrollment than Highlands. Maybe they should play in Florida 8A. Would that suit you?

What does that have to do with anything. This is exactly my point. Obviously I know Highlands will be the smallest 5A school. That is not the point. The point is those numbers put you in 3A or 4A or whatever it is. Play there. Don't pick and choose where you want to go whenever you want. If you want to "play up" then play in 6A ball and prove that you really are that good.
I think we both know the reason Highlands never will. The win column will deteriorate in 6A. Unless you start scheduling out of district games against Harrison County, then Highlands would often find themselves struggling and actually having to try to win a district instead of choosing what districts and classes will be weakest and sliding into that role.
If you want to play 8A Florida football, be our guest. I'm sure you would dominate once they let you pick which class you wanted to be in.

[Blau Vogel]

What does that have to do with anything. This is exactly my point. Obviously I know Highlands will be the smallest 5A school. That is not the point. The point is those numbers put you in 3A or 4A or whatever it is. Play there. Don't pick and choose where you want to go whenever you want. If you want to "play up" then play in 6A ball and prove that you really are that good.
I think we both know the reason Highlands never will. The win column will deteriorate in 6A. Unless you start scheduling out of district games against Harrison County, then Highlands would often find themselves struggling and actually having to try to win a district instead of choosing what districts and classes will be weakest and sliding into that role.
If you want to play 8A Florida football, be our guest. I'm sure you would dominate once they let you pick which class you wanted to be in.

They have always played up if it was ALLOWED. The last realignment did not ALLOW them to stay in 5A. It had nothing to do with trying to avoid BG. BG had 5A numbers and Highlands did not. Based on history, they would have stayed in 5A if it was ALLOWED. BG may or may not have still won 3 in a row, but that had nothing to do with the Birds going to 4A, they weren't ALLOWED to stay in 5A. Next year, nine teams will be playing up with an equal number playing down because it is ALLOWED. Why do you choose to single out just one for your wrath. BTW, I agree with you, EVERYONE should play where your numbers put you.

As for your assertion that the wins total would greatly suffer if Highlands played 6A, history begs to differ. The championships may come less often, but they would probably hold their own.

Highlands vs:
Boone County: 34-3-0
Bowling Green: 3-1-0 (I know, not 6A)
Bryan Station: 4-1-0
Campbell County: 51-9-0
Dixie Heights: 62-8-0
Dunbar: 2-0-0
Henry Clay: 2-2-0
Lafayette: 9-5-2
Madison Central: 4-0-0
Male: 2-2-0
Manual: 2-1-0
Pleasure Ridge Park: 2-0-0
Saint Xavier: 2-4-0
Scott County: 1-1-0
Simon Kenton: 25-1-0
Trinity: 1-1-0

[pjdoug]

Im proud of you for posting on a good teams thread, and not calling them a weak jelly roll.

thanks :biglmao:

[pjdoug]

I agree TOTALLY. I was just disputing Tommy One Note's not lucky claim. The play that ultimately decided the game, was not a play at all, it was a penalty. Neither team dominated the other.

that's true.both teams gave great effort.

[RunItUpTheGut]

They have always played up if it was ALLOWED. The last realignment did not ALLOW them to stay in 5A. It had nothing to do with trying to avoid BG. BG had 5A numbers and Highlands did not. Based on history, they would have stayed in 5A if it was ALLOWED. BG may or may not have still won 3 in a row, but that had nothing to do with the Birds going to 4A, they weren't ALLOWED to stay in 5A. Next year, nine teams will be playing up with an equal number playing down because it is ALLOWED. Why do you choose to single out just one for your wrath. BTW, I agree with you, EVERYONE should play where your numbers put you.
As for your assertion that the wins total would greatly suffer if Highlands played 6A, history begs to differ. The championships may come less often, but they would probably hold their own.

Highlands vs:
Boone County: 34-3-0
Bowling Green: 3-1-0 (I know, not 6A)
Bryan Station: 4-1-0
Campbell County: 51-9-0
Dixie Heights: 62-8-0
Dunbar: 2-0-0
Henry Clay: 2-2-0
Lafayette: 9-5-2
Madison Central: 4-0-0
Male: 2-2-0
Manual: 2-1-0
Pleasure Ridge Park: 2-0-0
Saint Xavier: 2-4-0
Scott County: 1-1-0
Simon Kenton: 25-1-0
Trinity: 1-1-0

This is all im looking for. It doesn't have anything to do with one team. I could care less what Highlands does. The other teams shouldn't be allowed to do it either. It goes against any kind of consistency.

As for the 6A comments, while Highlands may have a good win loss record over the past 100 years against most of these schools, I highly doubt Highlands would of had a single state championship in the past five years had they been playing 6A ball. If I were a Highlands fan that just enjoyed watching them id much rather see them in 6A than lowly 5A where a run to the state title game will be just as easy as it was in 4A. At least in 6A they would be stuck in a district with Campbell, Ryle, and Simon Kenton or some combination like that and it makes sense. We know Highlands is going to be pretty good every year, but that district would be much more challenging than being in a district with teams like Cov Cath, Conner, Cooper, etc. especially with how those NKY 6A teams are starting to look much better over the past couple of years. It wouldn't get any easier in the playoffs as they wuld be forced to play teams like Scott County and even play Lville teams on off years do to the screwed up alignment and too many classes.

My biggest pet peeve when it comes to this is not teams playing up per say, but everytime a team like Highlands does, another teams is allowed to play DOWN in order to fill out the alignment which isn't right.

[birdman44]

This is all im looking for. It doesn't have anything to do with one team. I could care less what Highlands does. The other teams shouldn't be allowed to do it either. It goes against any kind of consistency.

As for the 6A comments, while Highlands may have a good win loss record over the past 100 years against most of these schools, I highly doubt Highlands would of had a single state championship in the past five years had they been playing 6A ball. If I were a Highlands fan that just enjoyed watching them id much rather see them in 6A than lowly 5A where a run to the state title game will be just as easy as it was in 4A. At least in 6A they would be stuck in a district with Campbell, Ryle, and Simon Kenton or some combination like that and it makes sense. We know Highlands is going to be pretty good every year, but that district would be much more challenging than being in a district with teams like Cov Cath, Conner, Cooper, etc. especially with how those NKY 6A teams are starting to look much better over the past couple of years. It wouldn't get any easier in the playoffs as they wuld be forced to play teams like Scott County and even play Lville teams on off years do to the screwed up alignment and too many classes.

My biggest pet peeve when it comes to this is not teams playing up per say, but every time a team like Highlands does, another teams is allowed to play DOWN in order to fill out the alignment which isn't right.

Lets get something straight right now... when Highlands plays ""up"" they are playing "up". 5A is tougher than 4A and 4A is tougher than 3A. Below that may be a little more interchangeable. 6A is better than all of them... due to like 3-4 teams... T,X,Male.... these teams have around twice the kids to put a football team together than Highlands... Highlands plays up a class just because we can... the team that steps down is probably not too far off that class.... it makes it more competitive on both ends. Saying it should be playing up 6A or nothing is dumb. It is an amazing program that completely dominates schools of equal size... its the right thing to do.

Mayfield is pretty much the same thing. they should play up too.

And there have been plenty of years Highlands would have won the big class... 96,98,99,00 to name a few.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Lets get something straight right now... when Highlands plays ""up"" they are playing "up". 5A is tougher than 4A and 4A is tougher than 3A. Below that may be a little more interchangeable. 6A is better than all of them... due to like 3-4 teams... T,X,Male.... these teams have around twice the kids to put a football team together than Highlands... Highlands plays up a class just because we can... the team that steps down is probably not too far off that class.... it makes it more competitive on both ends. Saying it should be playing up 6A or nothing is dumb. It is an amazing program that completely dominates schools of equal size... its the right thing to do.

Mayfield is pretty much the same thing. they should play up too.

And there have been plenty of years Highlands would have won the big class... 96,98,99,00 to name a few.

You are still not answering the question or even discussing it for that matter.
Just because the classes are "tougher" and Highlands is at a disadvantage but still wins doesn't make it right. Don't let your superiority complex get in the way here. Nobody is talking about Highlands ability to win football games or even compete in them. My question, was, is, and always will be why are teams allowed to move when they want to? Lets also be honest here, its very possible 3A could be stronger than 4A and 5A overall the next couple of years.
Mayfield does it right by playing where they are suppose to play. Who cares if 1A has been a cakewalk for them. They got 2A numbers now and they go to 2A like theyre suppose to.
I have still yet to hear a valid argument of why playing up or down should be allowed. You didn't answer it. Its KY high school football, just because its a larger class doesn't mean it will be harder. There are a lot of bad teams in 5A. Very few quality teams, so its not like its more challenging for a school like highlands. One of these days this will become an issue schools like Highlands will lose.