[TheRealVille]

From the Declaration of Independence----

1st mention of God
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

That reference to God looks singular to me. It's laughable to argue more than one god established the Laws of Nature and each man's individual inalienable rights.


2nd mention of God
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

God referenced in the singular sense as being the Creator of all men.


3rd mention of God
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions"

By this document we see that God is the God of Nature, the Creator of all men and the Supreme Judge. So, if it's all the same to you I am very content to wallow in my ignorance of the universe as it applies to the Creator and Judge of men. LOL, I suppose smart is a matter of perspective.

You do realize where the term "natures god" came from, right? It's a Deist's terminology. Show us where the Christians god is referred to. I'm just seeing what you are wanting it to say, not what it actually says.

[WideRight05]

For starters, here are the state preambles...


Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following
Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to
those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful
to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,
grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,
the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates
of
their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this
Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine
Guidance . establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath
so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of
government
..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence
on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God
for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful
hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us
an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful
to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts,
acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of
the
Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly
imploring His
direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,
grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to
perpetuate
its
blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..
establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural
and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,
grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful
to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,
grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon
Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our
common
..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure
in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of
their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly
invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island
grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath
so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South
Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this
Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this
Constitution .

[TheRealVille]

^ Your God might not be my God. This was especially true with the founding fathers, as several believed in different versions of God. Several believed like me, and that wasn't the christian God.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

^ Your God might not be my God. This was especially true with the founding fathers, as several believed in different versions of God. Several believed like me, and that wasn't the christian God.

I really don't think any of the founders considered the AFL-CIO or its vacuum-headed Rich Trumka to be their "god". But, then, you did take a history course in the eighth grade in a government school so you must be the expert on these matters.

[TheRealVille]

I really don't think any of the founders considered the AFL-CIO or its vacuum-headed Rich Trumka to be their "god". But, then, you did take a history course in the eighth grade in a government school so you must be the expert on these matters.

Some of the founding fathers were deist. Of course this doesn't fit your bent, so I understand your non acceptance. And also, being a lawyer, you hold yourself in high regard, intellectually. I could never be as enlightened as you.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Some of the founding fathers were deist. Of course this doesn't fit your bent, so I understand your non acceptance. And also, being a lawyer, you hold yourself in high regard, intellectually. I could never be as enlightened as you.

I must point out that none of the founders worshiped at the boot of "organized labor" but I will thank you for the compliment. I don't intend to come across as arrogant. I am well aware that I have no true knowledge of your area of employment expertise. Thus, I know to keep my mouth shut in those areas. And, I do know that you have absolutely no knowledge about the law in general and constitutional law in particular which happen to be my areas of expertise.

[TheRealVille]

I must point out that none of the founders worshiped at the boot of "organized labor" but I will thank you for the compliment. I don't intend to come across as arrogant. I am well aware that I have no true knowledge of your area of employment expertise. Thus, I know to keep my mouth shut in those areas. And, I do know that you have absolutely no knowledge about the law in general and constitutional law in particular which happen to be my areas of expertise.

I don't know why you keep bringing up labor, we are talking about god in the constitution. As I've named, not all fathers were Christians, some were Deists. That's two completely different gods. God in the constitution is a general term referring to each's god. Some fathers were even athiests. If your area of expertise is constitutional law, you surely missed a few classes. If you're a lawyer in KY, there's a better chance that you are an ambulance chaser before a constitutional lawyer.

[TheRealThing]

I don't know why you keep bringing up labor, we are talking about god in the constitution. As I've named, not all fathers were Christians, some were Deists. That's two completely different gods. God in the constitution is a general term referring to each's god. Some fathers were even athiests. If your area of expertise is constitutional law, you surely missed a few classes. If you're a lawyer in KY, there's a better chance that you are an ambulance chaser before a constitutional lawyer.

Not true. The god of the deist supposedly created the universe then removed himself to allow man to do as he pleased with no apparent end.

The God the founders were familiar with, inserted Himself time and again throughout the course of history with His chosen people, the Jew. Christ then came to earth, performed enough miracles so as to defy man's ability to record and in the most documented event in history, rose from the dead after His crucifixion. The founding fathers recognized Him as Creator and Judge of all according to the Declaration of Independence. Your argument cannot be substantiated in light of the text of the Declaration.

Romans 14:10-11 (KJV)
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

That includes the deist.

[TheRealThing]

For starters, here are the state preambles...


Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following
Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to
those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful
to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,
grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,
the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the
dictates
of
their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this
Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection
and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine
Guidance . establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath
so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of
government
..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence
on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God
for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful
to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful
hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us
an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful
to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts,
acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of
the
Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly
imploring His
direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful
to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,
grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to
perpetuate
its
blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence
for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..
establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our
freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural
and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,
grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our
endeavors
.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful
to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,
grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,
political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon
Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our
common
..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure
in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of
their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly
invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island
grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath
so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South
Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this
Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible
right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,
with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we
establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the
individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other
blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe
our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual
duty
of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each
other
...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,
grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain
this
Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to
God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this
Constitution .

Thanks for posting this Wide, I appreciate it. Of course, you realize that offering up all this documentary proof only bolsters RV's idea that the framers believed in myriad gods. :please:


BTW, that represents all 50 states by my reckoning. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that God knows the preambles and constitutions of the states verbatim. I'm also going to venture than of those who have passed laws legalizing things like homosexual depravity and abortion on demand have likewise not escaped His notice. I really do not see how we could expect Him to forego judgment when He "spared not His own."

[TheRealVille]

^Because your guy might not be real?

[RunItUpTheGut]

Lets take all religion out of it for a minute.
WHAT if, lets say, religion had no part in the Republican party. Gays were okay, people were allowed to rape donkeys, and unicorns grazed on the white house lawn.
What would liberals reasons be for voting dem then?

Theres absolutely no scenario when I have ever looked at this administration and thought damn, they know how to manage a country, fiscally or foreign policy wise.

[TheRealThing]

Lets take all religion out of it for a minute.
WHAT if, lets say, religion had no part in the Republican party. Gays were okay, people were allowed to rape donkeys, and unicorns grazed on the white house lawn.
What would liberals reasons be for voting dem then?

Theres absolutely no scenario when I have ever looked at this administration and thought damn, they know how to manage a country, fiscally or foreign policy wise.

Wow! Finally somebody who gets it. You have concisely framed what I have in the past, called a nuclear food fight in the Congress. If one as you suggest, were to take the social rebellion/reform out of the equation what good are the Dems? Miserable failures at US foreign policy, the Middle East is a boiling caldron in which we have seen the birth of the Caliphate. Russia's Putin is marching his armies across the continent in what he calls peaceful expansion. China has become the bad boy of the South China Sea region, pushing Japan and Viet Nam around.

Their ridiculous economic policies, the basis of which is an unreasonable 'faith' in Keynesian Economics, (an economic philosophy whose viability history has already disproven) have pushed America to the brink of financial collapse. By the time Obama gets through with his "fundamental transformation" economists say we could be looking at a national debt of somewhere around 22 Trillion. My fear, all the quantitative easing we can muster will fall woefully short of our rescue as 401K's and pensions will at some point go up in smoke, turning millions of seniors who have worked and saved all their lives for retirement, into wards of a state that can no longer afford to take care of them.

Obviously, I can't separate lack of religion from the mess at hand but, staying within your guidelines one can still build a compelling case.

[TheRealVille]

Lets take all religion out of it for a minute.
WHAT if, lets say, religion had no part in the Republican party. Gays were okay, people were allowed to rape donkeys, and unicorns grazed on the white house lawn.
What would liberals reasons be for voting dem then?

Theres absolutely no scenario when I have ever looked at this administration and thought damn, they know how to manage a country, fiscally or foreign policy wise.

All one has to look at are the numbers from this administration, and you could see that he has done a helluva job saving us from depression. I've posted the numbers more than once, but it's the same everytime, you guys ignore those. Plus, it's hard to get global respect when we have a country divided. Your guys signed a pact at soon as Obama took office, to block him at every move. You have a bunch of traitors in your party. They root for, and try to make the country fail, just to dicredit a President they hate.

[TheRealThing]

All one has to look at are the numbers from this administration, and you could see that he has done a helluva job saving us from depression. I've posted the numbers more than once, but it's the same everytime, you guys ignore those. Plus, it's hard to get global respect when we have a country divided. Your guys signed a pact at soon as Obama took office, to block him at every move. You have a bunch of traitors in your party. They root for, and try to make the country fail, just to dicredit a President they hate.

Total public debt outstanding----- 17,899,001,165,157.98


^^ There's your numbers.

[TheRealVille]

Total public debt outstanding----- 17,899,001,165,157.98


^^ There's your numbers.

Debt from 2 wars on a credit card. That's the number you like to post, and it mostly came from your guy's wars. Try the deficit, house prices, unemployment, jobs, numbers. He has saved us from an inevitable depression, even with no help from your side. Just think what the US could be right now if the traitors hadn't signed that pact to try to block and destroy this President. They, and you, would rather see the country fail, to try to make Obama look bad. But, it has backfired, his numbers are looking good.

[TheRealVille]

FTR, on a national scale, republicans can't win an election honestly. They have to rig the districts, spend huge amounts of money, and run attack ads on a 24 hour loop, with no qualms about running lying attack ads. Mitch is a classic case. He owes his soul to the Koch brothers, and others like them. Big money, buying elections is the main way they win. I wouldn't bring up uninformed, this site is full of uninformed republican voting people. They vote based on lies from big money, and overlook the real numbers. Or, merely vote the way they were brought up in this red state.

[TheRealVille]

Just as an example from another thread on this site proves, that the more you watch Fox, the more uninformed one becomes.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

FTR, on a national scale, republicans can't win an election honestly. They have to rig the districts, spend huge amounts of money, and run attack ads on a 24 hour loop, with no qualms about running lying attack ads. Mitch is a classic case. He owes his soul to the Koch brothers, and others like them. Big money, buying elections is the main way they win. I wouldn't bring up uninformed, this site is full of uninformed republican voting people. They vote based on lies from big money, and overlook the real numbers. Or, merely vote the way they were brought up in this red state.

This rates as one of the silliest posts to ever come from TheRealVille. His boys/girls/mixtures cannot win an election without the overwhelming vote of those who contribute nothing to society. His wins come because his party continues to use the wealth of the actual taxpayers to buy the votes of the underclass.

As I have posted repeatedly, only give the vote to those who actually have "skin" in the game- the actual taxpayers. Why should the freeloaders and related parasites have a vote? Obviously, they only vote for those who offer them handouts and that, of course, is TheRealVille's people and that is detrimental to the progress of the country.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I don't know why you keep bringing up labor, we are talking about god in the constitution. As I've named, not all fathers were Christians, some were Deists. That's two completely different gods. God in the constitution is a general term referring to each's god. Some fathers were even athiests. If your area of expertise is constitutional law, you surely missed a few classes. If you're a lawyer in KY, there's a better chance that you are an ambulance chaser before a constitutional lawyer.

Your ignorance is showing again. Those you refer to as "ambulance chasers" are also called "trial lawyers". Check and see who the vast majority of the trial lawyers support. It certainly isn't conservatives and Republicans.

But, I doubt that Ms. Doodad covered that in eighth grade history and I am certain that the democrat manifesto forgot that topic.

Two questions:

1. Why can't anyone give one positive attribute of Clueless Barbie that would make her qualified to be in the US Senate? (Hint: More badmouthing of McConnell doesn't count.)

2. Has anyone located Andy Lundergan yet?

[TheRealThing]

This rates as one of the silliest posts to ever come from TheRealVille. His boys/girls/mixtures cannot win an election without the overwhelming vote of those who contribute nothing to society. His wins come because his party continues to use the wealth of the actual taxpayers to buy the votes of the underclass.

As I have posted repeatedly, only give the vote to those who actually have "skin" in the game- the actual taxpayers. Why should the freeloaders and related parasites have a vote? Obviously, they only vote for those who offer them handouts and that, of course, is TheRealVille's people and that is detrimental to the progress of the country.

I honestly believe, those who take the time to read the writings of the figures of the American Revolution can readily feel their pain. That precious gift for which they paid so dear a price (liberty for all) may well have already fallen into the hands of those who do not understand what freedom really means. There are 'payments' that have to be made. Installments of sacrifice by those on whom the gift has been bestowed in order to ensure it's continued perseverance.

Instead we see the incessant looting of Uncle Sam's treasury to, as you so rightly call out, buy the votes of those who care about nothing but living for today. I doubt it is even conceivable that Democrats are not aware of the black cloud hanging over this nation's future. Either way, they are the advocates of the listless. The financers of sluggards at the expense of those who have worked to provide this nation's wealth.

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." ---Benjamin Franklin


BTW, remember to call those boy/girl mixtures "purple penguins"

[TheRealVille]

Your ignorance is showing again. Those you refer to as "ambulance chasers" are also called "trial lawyers". Check and see who the vast majority of the trial lawyers support. It certainly isn't conservatives and Republicans.

But, I doubt that Ms. Doodad covered that in eighth grade history and I am certain that the democrat manifesto forgot that topic.

Two questions:

1. Why can't anyone give one positive attribute of Clueless Barbie that would make her qualified to be in the US Senate? (Hint: More badmouthing of McConnell doesn't count.)

2. Has anyone located Andy Lundergan yet?

I think you are way too infatuated with Andy. If you are in the closet, lusting after him I've got good news, I vote for your way of life. It all makes sense now, why you have so much hatred for Alison, you want her husband for your own.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I think you are way too infatuated with Andy. If you are in the closet, lusting after him I've got good news, I vote for your way of life. It all makes sense now, why you have so much hatred for Alison, you want her husband for your own.

You are confused, TheRealVille. The fairy element that you refer to is made up of card carrying Democrats- actually your people. I am a conservative Republican. Fortunately, I don't qualify as having any fairy tendencies.

And, as for Clueless Barbie, she hasn't accomplished anything in life. That makes her a non-entity. It is difficult to "hate" a non-entity. Non-entities are to be ignored. And, in regard to Andy Lundergan, I don't think he really exists. He is much like the rabbit in "Harvey".

By the way. You still haven't answered my question about Clueless's alleged "credentials". I'll help you. She clearly has none.

[TheRealVille]

You are confused, TheRealVille. The fairy element that you refer to is made up of card carrying Democrats- actually your people. I am a conservative Republican. Fortunately, I don't qualify as having any fairy tendencies.

And, as for Clueless Barbie, she hasn't accomplished anything in life. That makes her a non-entity. It is difficult to "hate" a non-entity. Non-entities are to be ignored. And, in regard to Andy Lundergan, I don't think he really exists. He is much like the rabbit in "Harvey".

By the way. You still haven't answered my question about Clueless's alleged "credentials". I'll help you. She clearly has none.

Yea, you would rather the country be run by middle aged white men, and "blacky", women, and the gays to know their place, and not have a voice in government. I know your type of people.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Yea, you would rather the country be run by middle aged white men, and "blacky", women, and the gays to know their place, and not have a voice in government. I know your type of people.

TheRealVille, you really are one of the dullards who are destroying the country. You apparently aren't capable of defending your position. You never answer questions. You merely make derogatory remarks.

As John Rutledge, our second Chief Justice of the USSC, once said, "When your only defense is to verbally attack your opponent, you are not worthy of participating in the discourse because you have no relevance". You fit Chief Justice Rutledge's description perfectly.

By the way, Chief Justice Rutledge was a fine gentleman hailing from the great state of South Carolina. And, I'll bet Ms. Doodad covered that in your eighth grade history class, didn't she?

As for "blacky, women, and gays (I prefer "fairies"), they should have a voice in government so long as they are contributing to the operation of the government. However, regardless of what your boys, Obama and Holder, say, they aren't entitled to special rights and special treatment merely because they are "blacky, women, or gays (fairies)". They should earn respect just like all those nasty people you don't like who pay the bills.

[TheRealVille]

^So, you are for restricting the rights of some American citizens to vote? That goes against the constitution, which you claim to defend.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

^So, you are for restricting the rights of some American citizens to vote? That goes against the constitution, which you claim to defend.

You aren't serious, are you? Your parasites and reprobates, and other assorted oddballs have destroyed the US Constitution with your decisions on abortion, homo marriages, and hate crimes. Does any fool, and I rank you as one, really believe that the framers intended abortion and homo marriages or the ridiculous theory of hate crimes?

But, you almost stumbled into the truth concerning my position on voting. I believe in a constitutional amendment which provides votes only to those who have actually paid income taxes within the last ten years. Those who never contribute should not be allowed to vote. Why should they?

Possibly you will comprehend that I am calling for a constitutional amendment as provided in our foundational documents.

Do those who don't pay union dues get a vote in your union elections?

Don't try to trap me on constitutional matters. As William F. Buckley, Jr. once said in regard to why Bobby Kennedy would not debate him, "Why does bologna avoid the meat grinder?" In this regard, the same applies here.

[Granny Bear]

FTR, on a national scale, republicans can't win an election honestly. They have to rig the districts, spend huge amounts of money, and run attack ads on a 24 hour loop, with no qualms about running lying attack ads. Mitch is a classic case. He owes his soul to the Koch brothers, and others like them. Big money, buying elections is the main way they win. I wouldn't bring up uninformed, this site is full of uninformed republican voting people. They vote based on lies from big money, and overlook the real numbers. Or, merely vote the way they were brought up in this red state.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/10/21/r...rat-153939

[TheRealVille]

You aren't serious, are you? Your parasites and reprobates, and other assorted oddballs have destroyed the US Constitution with your decisions on abortion, homo marriages, and hate crimes. Does any fool, and I rank you as one, really believe that the framers intended abortion and homo marriages or the ridiculous theory of hate crimes?

But, you almost stumbled into the truth concerning my position on voting. I believe in a constitutional amendment which provides votes only to those who have actually paid income taxes within the last ten years. Those who never contribute should not be allowed to vote. Why should they?

Possibly you will comprehend that I am calling for a constitutional amendment as provided in our foundational documents.

Do those who don't pay union dues get a vote in your union elections?

Don't try to trap me on constitutional matters. As William F. Buckley, Jr. once said in regard to why Bobby Kennedy would not debate him, "Why does bologna avoid the meat grinder?" In this regard, the same applies here.

The framers intened a citizenship that are treated equal, with equal rights. They didn't intend for you to make decisions about others bedroom life, or body decisions. It's not my problem if you choose to try to twist what they put on paper, to say something else. If the framers intended to exclude people, they would have written it. FTR, if you think I give a rats ass what you think of me, you obviously haven't been on this board long enough to learn. If you had your way we would go back to slavery, and only white men voting. Good day.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

The framers intened a citizenship that are treated equal, with equal rights. They didn't intend for you to make decisions about others bedroom life, or body decisions. It's not my problem if you choose to try to twist what they put on paper, to say something else. If the framers intended to exclude people, they would have written it. FTR, if you think I give a rats ass what you think of me, you obviously haven't been on this board long enough to learn. If you had your way we would go back to slavery, and only white men voting. Good day.

I must educate you again. I guess Ms. Doodad forgot to do so in eighth grade history.

You are, of course, ignorantly wrong in regard to the intentions of the framers. Voting, in the early half of our country's history was strictly a Tenth Amendment issue. That meant that each state adopted its own laws for voting. Undoubtedly, that was the original intent of the framers. No one can honestly question that.

However, after the Civil War the country adopted what are known as the "Civil War Amendments". One such amendment, the Fifteenth Amendment ratified on February 03, 1871, provided for the vote of blacks. However, the requirements for them to vote were still under the jurisdiction of each state (Tenth Amendment).

Women were not guaranteed the right to vote until the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment on August 18, 1921. Now, that doesn't mean that no women voted prior to that. It means that, up to that time, each state set its own laws (Tenth Amendment).

The bottom line is that the framers intended for each state to make its own laws as to who voted and how they qualified.

That, of course, changed drastically with the passage of liberal voting rights acts in the 1960s.

Now, unfortunately in my mind, voting has become a federal right gleaned from the minds of liberal judges and politicians. But, that was never the intent of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, etc.

We even let eighteen years olds vote with the Twenty-Sixth Amendment in 1965, which, in my mind is unwise. Even then it should be noted that a number of states, including Kentucky, allowed eighteen year olds to vote prior to 1965. This is another illustration of the precedent for states deciding voting rights under the Tenth Amendment.

So, as I said earlier, original intent was not at all what you posted. As usual you were way out in left field with Obama, Holder, and Al Sharpton.

Your most recent history lesson is over and there is no charge since I always do a material amount of pro bono work. But, I still want to know if you union boys give a vote to those who don't pay union dues. I am afraid that that question will receive the same attention as the question about Clueless Barbie's lack of qualifications and the whereabouts of Andy. I conclude you have no answer.

[TheRealVille]

^ Since I'm on an iphone, let's just address the "10th amendment, states rights " you name, since you want to lean toward it. What privilege did said states lose, if they restricted voting right of citizens? I'll tell the answer, they lost congressional representation. If it went the way you want, KY wouldn't have any representation in Washington.