[School Admin.]

Bud Kilmer West Caanan Coyotes is on the hot seat for sure.

[Tight End]

You know what, I DO NOT think there is a High School Coach out there that is in to coaching young men football that didn't go in to it for the very best of reasons. They may well have some bad luck along the way, but to take on that monumental task of a whole team of different personalities, talents, reasons for playing, it takes someone pretty darn dedicated & special men to put on the coaches hat - especially after all the grief some take on and off the field from parents and fans who think they know what to do better than a seasoned coach, especially if their Little Johnny, isn't getting as much playing time as they feel he deserves. Hats off to all the Coaches out there who take on the responsibility of building character in our young men - teaching them some special skills & winning some football games along the way! You all deserve a standing ovation as far as I am concerned! All of you!! :notworthy

[T-CATS]

LOVE if he loses 1 of the next 3.

[Demarcus ware]

One would think coaches would be worried about there game plan than what people are saying on a message board unless there worried anyways...

I agree with that. Shouldn't even be spending time on a fan forum worrying about it. Get those game plans together, are you gonna run right, left, or up the middle the first 18 times of the game. Quit with the politically correct crap already. It is what it is, if they aren't getting it done then get them out. Tough love people nicker:

[former]

I agree with that. Shouldn't even be spending time on a fan forum worrying about it. Get those game plans together, are you gonna run right, left, or up the middle the first 18 times of the game. Quit with the politically correct crap already. It is what it is, if they aren't getting it done then get them out. Tough love people nicker:

So if a coach has 1 bad year he deserves to be fired no matter what?

[Demarcus ware]

So if a coach has 1 bad year he deserves to be fired no matter what?

Did I say that? Did I say how many years of anything? Could you please point where in my post I put a time frame on there?

[former]

Did I say that? Did I say how many years of anything? Could you please point where in my post I put a time frame on there?

You said if they don't get it done then get them out. So if they don't get it done for a year is that reason to fire or want rid of a coach?

[Demarcus ware]

You said if they don't get it done then get them out. So if they don't get it done for a year is that reason to fire or want rid of a coach?

Every situation is different but as for me NO I wouldn't fire a guy for one bad season. That's crazy.

[RunItUpTheGut]

You said if they don't get it done then get them out. So if they don't get it done for a year is that reason to fire or want rid of a coach?

2 years at most.
Got to recruit those hallways or go bye bye IMO.

[Tight End]

You said if they don't get it done then get them out. So if they don't get it done for a year is that reason to fire or want rid of a coach?

Sometimes a coach has to build a team. Certain grades don't have enough talent to fill in the spots older kids that graduate leave. I know one school I can think of in particular had a great 8th grade group 4 years ago, but only have about 5-6 kids left playing now. Their 8th grade last year was great, but who knows if they are going to tuff it out and be playing when they are Seniors. No guarantees who is going to stay & who is going to quit. You have to go with the hand you are dealt when they come out for the season & it can change from one year to the next. I think coaching is a TUFF job anyway you want to look at it. :Sad04:

[Demarcus ware]

2 years at most.
Got to recruit those hallways or go bye bye IMO.

^^This

[Westside]

Yeah, and if I were in charge of the hiring process, I'd come straight to this website and hire one of the many people on here who know everything about coaching. Then, how could you go lose?

[Demarcus ware]

Yeah, and if I were in charge of the hiring process, I'd come straight to this website and hire one of the many people on here who know everything about coaching. Then, how could you go lose?

I don't think anyone is claiming to know it all, like every post its just opinions which is the reason for this website in the first place. Now in saying that I would hire GUT in a second :truestory:

[Westside]

I don't think anyone is claiming to know it all, like every post its just opinions which is the reason for this website in the first place. Now in saying that I would hire GUT in a second :truestory:

I don't think I claimed everyone on this site or this thread acts like a know it all. Some do. That is who my comments were directed towards. You are not one of those.

[Do-double-gg]

IMO people try to hard to protect coaches. It is a coaches job to put the best product on the field that he possibly can and if after a few seasons things aren't getting any better or maybe even worse then it's time to go. My biggest problem is that a lot of coaches know they are struggling and things are getting worse and they are hurting the program, but instead of just stepping down and admitting that they failed they stay around and run the program into the ground till they are run off. People act like every coach is a good coach and the right man for the job but this is the real world. Another excuse I see pop up a lot is, well the last coach didn't win here so no coach can do anything here. I will tell you right now that a good solid coach who knows what he is doing and has a good staff put together can go to any school that is struggling and make an immediate impact. Some are very good at X'S and 0'S but don't know how to lead and get kids interested and some are very good leaders and the kids love em but just can't figure the on the field stuff out. It takes a coach who is very good at both to be successful. People will say that no one can win at -------- school but yet the school in the next county with the same size and demographics can have a powerhouse, and why............because they have good coaching on and off the field. People need to remember that the head coach of your team get's paid for the job that he does(and we can argue all day on if it's enough), but that money is coming out of your's and the communities pocket in one way or the other and the coach knew what the job paid before he took it and he knew he would be in the spotlight before he took it. So do I think I have the right to judge the job a coach is doing..............you bet your ass I do and so does every other person who cares about the team in their community and pays their taxes.

[School Admin.]

IMO people try to hard to protect coaches. It is a coaches job to put the best product on the field that he possibly can and if after a few seasons things aren't getting any better or maybe even worse then it's time to go. My biggest problem is that a lot of coaches know they are struggling and things are getting worse and they are hurting the program, but instead of just stepping down and admitting that they failed they stay around and run the program into the ground till they are run off. People act like every coach is a good coach and the right man for the job but this is the real world. Another excuse I see pop up a lot is, well the last coach didn't win here so no coach can do anything here. I will tell you right now that a good solid coach who knows what he is doing and has a good staff put together can go to any school that is struggling and make an immediate impact. Some are very good at X'S and 0'S but don't know how to lead and get kids interested and some are very good leaders and the kids love em but just can't figure the on the field stuff out. It takes a coach who is very good at both to be successful. People will say that no one can win at -------- school but yet the school in the next county with the same size and demographics can have a powerhouse, and why............because they have good coaching on and off the field. People need to remember that the head coach of your team get's paid for the job that he does(and we can argue all day on if it's enough), but that money is coming out of your's and the communities pocket in one way or the other and the coach knew what the job paid before he took it and he knew he would be in the spotlight before he took it. So do I think I have the right to judge the job a coach is doing..............you bet your ass I do and so does every other person who cares about the team in their community and pays their taxes.

Having a top notch program is so much more than coaching. It all starts at the top. If the Superintendent supports football and wants it to be Sucessful, then it's going to be, if they don't, you won't. I'm amazed that so many people don't get that. A good measuring stick is this. Look at the top programs around you and ask yourself HONESTLY, do you have what they have, are you doing what they are doing? If you don't have what they have or not doing what they are, then you aren't going to be as good as they are regardless of who the coach is.

[Do-double-gg]

Having a top notch program is so much more than coaching. It all starts at the top. If the Superintendent supports football and wants it to be Sucessful, then it's going to be, if they don't, you won't. I'm amazed that so many people don't get that. A good measuring stick is this. Look at the top programs around you and ask yourself HONESTLY, do you have what they have, are you doing what they are doing? If you don't have what they have or not doing what they are, then you aren't going to be as good as they are regardless of who the coach is.

So what your saying is that if you get a Super who cares about a sport then that sport will do well. The super has nothing to do with getting kids excited about a sport or getting the kid's in the halls who are on the fence about playing. The super don't teach the fundamentals and teach the kids how to get better. The super don't make the kid's with talent want to come and play for a good coach. The super don't study film and make game plans and get the kid's ready for the next opponent. The super don't make adjustments when the team on the other side is creaming you. "Yep", it has everything to do with the Superintendent! I'm not saying that having a super who supports the coach and staff isn't a good thing but it has a whole lot more to do with coaching. Go ask teams like Belfry, Johnson Central, Highlands, Mayfield or Bowling Green if they would rather give up the coach or Super and see what they say.

[Do-double-gg]

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[Colonel 17]

An entire district must buy into a program, not just the head coach. There must be a combination of culture, skill, coaching, facilities. If a high school HC gets kids that have been taught next to nothing growing up at the JFL and middle school levels and that same coach has no control over the middle school or JFL than that coach is doomed. There are certain places that the coaches hands are tied with no control other than the high school. In these places, by the time kids reach high school their skills lack, knowledge of the game lacks, work ethic lacks, and a large number have given up on football long ago because of bad experiences when young. There are places that if Nick Sabin was right now he would fail because the system is set up against him and football is not important to a school so the system does not care enough to change it.

[Westside]

IMO people try to hard to protect coaches. It is a coaches job to put the best product on the field that he possibly can and if after a few seasons things aren't getting any better or maybe even worse then it's time to go. My biggest problem is that a lot of coaches know they are struggling and things are getting worse and they are hurting the program, but instead of just stepping down and admitting that they failed they stay around and run the program into the ground till they are run off. People act like every coach is a good coach and the right man for the job but this is the real world. Another excuse I see pop up a lot is, well the last coach didn't win here so no coach can do anything here. I will tell you right now that a good solid coach who knows what he is doing and has a good staff put together can go to any school that is struggling and make an immediate impact. Some are very good at X'S and 0'S but don't know how to lead and get kids interested and some are very good leaders and the kids love em but just can't figure the on the field stuff out. It takes a coach who is very good at both to be successful. People will say that no one can win at -------- school but yet the school in the next county with the same size and demographics can have a powerhouse, and why............because they have good coaching on and off the field. People need to remember that the head coach of your team get's paid for the job that he does(and we can argue all day on if it's enough), but that money is coming out of your's and the communities pocket in one way or the other and the coach knew what the job paid before he took it and he knew he would be in the spotlight before he took it. So do I think I have the right to judge the job a coach is doing..............you bet your ass I do and so does every other person who cares about the team in their community and pays their taxes.

You have been very critical of Coach Cecil. If you think you can do a better job, why don't you apply for the job. Same for you DeMarcus. If you think you can do a better job than a certain coach, apply for the job. Show us how much better you can do.

[ForearmShiver]

I would like to request that the moderators of this site remove this thread. This isn't the NFL. This is about men who are members of our local communities, and most of whom are school teachers. I believe that their livelihood is not a topic of fair game for an internet gossip forum.

[Demarcus ware]

You have been very critical of Coach Cecil. If you think you can do a better job, why don't you apply for the job. Same for you DeMarcus. If you think you can do a better job than a certain coach, apply for the job. Show us how much better you can do.

I'm not sure why you deced to call me out for stating opinions. Again just in case you didn't understand when I said it the first time, this is nothing but opinions, AND I never one time said I could do a better job but I have seen some that I know I could. This is football its what we do every year, we discuss it and give our opinions. Maybe you should be in the cheerleading section if everyone's opinion doesn't suit you but let me warn you that section is brutal as well.

[Demarcus ware]

I would like to request that the moderators of this site remove this thread. This isn't the NFL. This is about men who are members of our local communities, and most of whom are school teachers. I believe that their livelihood is not a topic of fair game for an internet gossip forum.

Wrong. These men put themselves in the public eye by taking a coaching job. And with that comes scrutiny. Its not always fair but it comes with the job.

[baseball1974]

Having a top notch program is so much more than coaching. It all starts at the top. If the Superintendent supports football and wants it to be Sucessful, then it's going to be, if they don't, you won't. I'm amazed that so many people don't get that. A good measuring stick is this. Look at the top programs around you and ask yourself HONESTLY, do you have what they have, are you doing what they are doing? If you don't have what they have or not doing what they are, then you aren't going to be as good as they are regardless of who the coach is.

All this is is a bunch of excuses. Every great coach has their own way of doings, but one thing that is solid amongst every single one of them is that the buck stops with them. They will never blame the players. They will never blame the community. They will never blame the superintendent. They will never blame the administration (especially if their apart of it). They will never blame the facilities. They will never blame the parents, and they will never blame the other coaches. They take full responsibility for everything that goes wrong with their program. Haywood didn't have what he has now when he started, and neither did any of the rest. The reason they have facilities, community support, parent support, and even administrative support, is due to the fact that he built a winning atmosphere and culture in football and that is what brought all the extra things and support. If you want more community support then go win in the post season. If you want a superintendent to be proud of football then give him a reason to be. To say it doesn't matter who the coach is beyond the truth on any level. That means more than anything. Accepting responsibility and letting the players know that any loss falls on you, it shows them you'll hold yourself accountable and in return they expect to be held accountable as well. Blaming your declining program on things you don't have is very juvenile and no coach with any integrity would have that reasoning.

[Westside]

I'm not sure why you deced to call me out for stating opinions. Again just in case you didn't understand when I said it the first time, this is nothing but opinions, AND I never one time said I could do a better job but I have seen some that I know I could. This is football its what we do every year, we discuss it and give our opinions. Maybe you should be in the cheerleading section if everyone's opinion doesn't suit you but let me warn you that section is brutal as well.

I'm sure you could win a state title in your first year.

[Westside]

There are a couple reasons I get mad when people get on here and criticize coaches. First, not all coaches take these jobs because they want to coach. Sometimes they are forced into these positions to get or keep their teaching jobs. Secondly, if you average out the pay they get for coaching, it would be well under minimum wage. Besides, this thread is not just criticizing coaches, it is more or less calling for them to be fired.

[Demarcus ware]

There are a couple reasons I get mad when people get on here and criticize coaches. First, not all coaches take these jobs because they want to coach. Sometimes they are forced into these positions to get or keep their teaching jobs. Secondly, if you average out the pay they get for coaching, it would be well under minimum wage. Besides, this thread is not just criticizing coaches, it is more or less calling for them to be fired.

Other than being critical of the coach of the team I support I haven't said one thing about being a better coach than anyone, doesn't matter the reason it makes you mad, this is an internet forum for discussing football, when you start policing the topics to death because one person is butthurt then people stop coming. If I want to talk about my teams coach I'm going to. As for winning a state title who knows anything is possible.Cheer up buttercup its just a discussion

[Granny Bear]

Children children children....can't we all just get along??

nicker:

[Demarcus ware]

Children children children....can't we all just get along??

nicker:

Yes Ma'am

[Westside]

Other than being critical of the coach of the team I support I haven't said one thing about being a better coach than anyone, doesn't matter the reason it makes you mad, this is an internet forum for discussing football, when you start policing the topics to death because one person is butthurt then people stop coming. If I want to talk about my teams coach I'm going to. As for winning a state title who knows anything is possible.Cheer up buttercup its just a discussion

I'm not hardly policing anything. I'm posting my opinion as well. As far as the state title, you're right. Anything is possible. Give it a shot. Let's see.