[rambo]

i would never play for bobby knight if he offered me to play in the nba

well i dont think you need to worry bout that any time soon!!!

[Football24_7]

Next?

Wondering if you had come up with those comparitive numbers?

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No not yet but I will. Scholarships also diminish greatly in football after the 1-AA level.

[Football24_7]

No not yet but I will. Scholarships also diminish greatly in football after the 1-AA level.

Thanks for looking into that...I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers myself (tried over the weekend at a bookstore and couldn't find anything specific).

Also, I'm glad to see we can have a CIVIL debate of ideas on a message board without it turning into something "personal" or ugly.

I'm REALLY just hoping to get real FACTS out to kids whose FUTURE might be helped...whether it's best for "my sport" or not doesn't matter.

Again, appreciate your civility.

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Thanks for looking into that...I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers myself (tried over the weekend at a bookstore and couldn't find anything specific).

Also, I'm glad to see we can have a CIVIL debate of ideas on a message board without it turning into something "personal" or ugly.

I'm REALLY just hoping to get real FACTS out to kids whose FUTURE might be helped...whether it's best for "my sport" or not doesn't matter.

Again, appreciate your civility.

I am a basketball guy and nothing in the world compares to MARCH MADNESS BUT college football is my favorite sport from week 1 to the championship.


It will be hard to get accurate numbers but I will try my best.

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

I don't know where you live at but around here its football coaches that influence kids to play only football. I know for a fact that this year a kid was asked to go ahead and have a minor surgery during baskebtall season so he could be ready for spring football practice. This kid is a starter on the freshmen and JV basketball team. Football is not the only sport.........


And odds are not against you, there are 5 times the amount of schools that play basketball D-1(118 football vs 334 basketball) alone, That number grows as you drop level D-II, D-III, NAIA because schools don't have football.

WAKE UP, there is more to life than football.........

Next--you need to read your own posts and realize that your "basketball only" mentality is much worse than where I am coming from.

Did you ever stop to account for the fact that there is also D1A, D2, D3, NAIA football as well? Do the math--there is a LOT more scholarship spots available for football in comparison with basketball. Like I said--do the math before you spout off about things that you obviously know nothing about.

And the funny thing is--you ASSUMED that I was against basketball. I am not. I come from the "play every sport and be an athlete" mentality.

But--it is my experience--(12 years coaching 3 different sports) that BASKETBALL coaches and programs are BY FAR THE WORST at trying to get kids to concentrate on one sport--to the point where they threaten to kick the kids off the team. You don't see that from football alot.

I am at a school where football is KING--8 state championships in the past 15 years--and we ENCOURAGE all of our kids to play as many sports as possible WITHOUT RETRIBUTION. But--the other school that I coach at--will not even allow their basketball players to run track (which would REALLY help with their conditioning or jump--which would help with other areas of the game).

You need to do a little more research before you ASSUME anything about me or my thought process. I would say that your post was pretty weak considering that you have no clue who I am or what I think.

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

No not yet but I will. Scholarships also diminish greatly in football after the 1-AA level.

Ah--maybe in title--but not in reality.

Trust me--these small colleges give "acamdemic" scholarships to kids who are football players--and don't necessary make good grades. And remember--even if they do give these kids a little money--they are still paying a lot of money to go there. And--when you do the math--most teams (small college) have over 100 players--times 25,000 a year (and a lot of times more)--the colleges are making a LOT of money off these guys--even if they get partials.

[DTA]

Fball 24 7, It appears to me that you no from experience that JUST bball coaches LIE and MISLEAD KIDS to keep them in only one sport. I cannot believe those irresponsible bball coaches, they need to be fired! Would you allow a coach of any sport to control what your kid played? I do not think so but if you did then you are not much of a parent. You also said this is high school sports dealing with high school kids, I think those HS kids turn into college kids if I am not badly informed. I would also like to ask you this, I have witnessed fball coaches BEG kids to play fball(not just bball players), how does that coach feel if that kid plays and breaks a leg or something when he had no interest in playing but he was BEGGED by the coach. I can tell you, that coach would have no remorse because it was "part of the game". Let kids play what they want when they want. The bottom line is if that kid wants to play he will play,whether it be bball,fball,soccer or even cheerleading....it is his or her decision. I just think scholarship numbers are a way to try coherse KIDS into playing. One last thing, Do you think it professional for a coach to call a kid %#$** for not playing a sport? Seen it,heard it,looked down on it. I agree with your numbers of scholarships but not your speech.:nope:

[Football24_7]

Fball 24 7, It appears to me that you no from experience that JUST bball coaches LIE and MISLEAD KIDS to keep them in only one sport.

Please, find ONE example in ANY post I've put on here that said "JUST bball coaches LIE and MISLEAD KIDS." You can't. I didn't.

I DO know (K-n-o-W) from experience that SOME bball coaches LIE and MISLEAD KIDS to keep them in only one sport (BIG difference than accusing me of saying JUST bball coaches lie and mislead kids...actually, I know of a few FOOTBALL coaches that do the same for their sport and baseball coaches too...but notice, this thread was sent to BASKETBALL PLAYERS that MIGHT have more opportunities than they think -- I'm trying to, now get this, HELP some kids expand their opportunities).

Why are you punching at someone trying to HELP kids.

Makes YOU sound a little DEFENSIVE about something you might've done in the past???

I cannot believe those irresponsible bball coaches, they need to be fired! Would you allow a coach of any sport to control what your kid played? I do not think so but if you did then you are not much of a parent.

I don't think they should be FIRED; but I do think if the AD/Principal knows one of his coaches is doing something that might limit a kids' potential future success, I think he/she should be REPRIMANDED and WARNED not to do it again.

You also said this is high school sports dealing with high school kids, I think those HS kids turn into college kids if I am not badly informed.

Yes. I said that when you brought up something about JJ Reddick. That was about a COLLEGE player when this post is about HIGH SCHOOL players missing out on opportunities.

You were bringing "oranges" into a conversation about "apples." If you're unable to understand why my response makes sense, there's no amount of reasoning I can do now to further explain it to where you can understand it.

Let's just leave it at you know high schoolers turn into college kids and we'll allow those that were able to follow my original point to you not to be bored again with me explaining to you why JJ Reddick doesn't help your argument.

I would also like to ask you this, I have witnessed fball coaches BEG kids to play fball(not just bball players), how does that coach feel if that kid plays and breaks a leg or something when he had no interest in playing but he was BEGGED by the coach. I can tell you, that coach would have no remorse because it was "part of the game".

As someone that works with kids training them to become the best athlete they can become, and in doing so puts them in sometimes injury-threatening situations, I can tell you that I have INCREDIBLE sadness for a player that is injured in ANY setting -- but ESPECIALLY one I'm training!!!

But, you've got to remember, that kid is CHOOSING to come to me to make himself his best and give himself the best chance at a scholarship/championship/etc.

The kid that has a FB coach "beg" him to play STILL has the option to say "no, I'm afraid I might get injured and hurt my chances in basketball this season."

If he says "no," and the FB coach FORCES him to play football, and THEN he breaks a leg, then YES, that FB coach SHOULD feel remorse because he FORCED him to play!

Other than THAT scenario, it should be obvious to ANYONE that can follow logic, that if the kid says, "yes," HE is the one taking the RISK involved.

The FB coach may REGRET the fact that the kid got hurt, but I'd say the word REMORSE doesn't fit...that would imply the coach did something UNETHICAL or IMMORAL.

Football is a dangerous sport (as is basketball by the way -- have personally witnessed THREE season-ending basketball injuries this season...saw only ONE during all the football I followed). A kid that CHOOSES to play KNOWS the inherent risks involved...or if they don't, they've not been allowed to watch TV all their life!

Let kids play what they want when they want.

I'm glad we agree on something!!!

The bottom line is if that kid wants to play he will play,whether it be bball,fball,soccer or even cheerleading....it is his or her decision.

Again, we agree.

BUT, I am making the point that there are SOME adults out there (notice, I never say words like "all" or "just bball coaches") that will attempt to coerce a kid into JUST playing bball.

So even though it is ultimately THEIR decision, I think they should have ALL the FACTS from more than ONE PREJUDICED source before making that decision!

Serious question for you: Are you against kids knowing these SCHOLARSHIP OPPORTUNITY FACTS comparisons?

If so, why would you NOT want them to know?

I just think scholarship numbers are a way to try coherse KIDS into playing.

You're entitled to your opinion. But that's what that is...an OPINION.

What I stated in the ORIGINAL post in this thread were FACTUAL information.

I'm perfectly okay with kids comparing your "opinions" with the real "facts" before they make a decision.

One last thing, Do you think it professional for a coach to call a kid %#$** for not playing a sport? Seen it,heard it,looked down on it. I agree with your numbers of scholarships

No. Completely UNprofessional -- if %#$** means what I think it might mean.

If it means "short-sighted" or "limiting" or "talent-wasting," then I'd say that coach isn't being unprofessional...I'd say he's trying to be honest with the kid to HELP him.

but not your speech.:nope:

WHOA!!! Are you accusing ME of calling a kid %#$**???

If so, please show me where I said anything like that?

[BC75]

good post

[DTA]

Man you need to be coaching D-1 with all of your knowledge and training ability. I bet you used to sell cars for a living because you could sugar coat a turd. I will post once again and this is a fact not an opinion as you say "I loved all 3 sports and I never cared what a coach said about the other sports because I was going to play regardless. Do not make this an issue between coaches and sports beacuse to play or not to play is an individuals choice with input from the parents!! " You give me a team of players that want to play and I will give a team of players that were begged and pleaded to play and you will be fired within a year while I will be building a program.

Crutches are just something to lean on..........just like excuses!!!!!
One last question,how many academic scholarships are available? Just want to make sure that kids no all of their options:confused:

[Football24_7]

Man you need to be coaching D-1 with all of your knowledge and training ability. I bet you used to sell cars for a living because you could sugar coat a turd.

Not sure how putting me down with sarcasm HELPS your argument (glad though, you opted for the use of nonsequitors; it's almost always more effective than the equally well-thought-out "na-na-na-na-NAH-na" defense).

I will post once again and this is a fact not an opinion as you say "I loved all 3 sports and I never cared what a coach said about the other sports because I was going to play regardless. Do not make this an issue between coaches and sports beacuse to play or not to play is an individuals choice with input from the parents!! "

But it IS an issue with SOME kids (maybe not YOU growing up...but your experience is NOT the same as EVERY KIDS'!). My post is about an issue that I have WITNESSED WITH MY OWN EXPERIENCE...and MANY times...in MANY different places in this state. Oh, and there are EXAMPLES posted on this THREAD of kids that bball (and other sports -- which is JUST as bad, in my opinion) coaches tried to convince should not play other sports...FOR SELFISH reasons! [/QUOTE]

You give me a team of players that want to play and I will give a team of players that were begged and pleaded to play and you will be fired within a year while I will be building a program.

I'd love to take you up on that one. Because MY team would be MAINLY kids that LOVE the sport...along with a FEW that were encouraged to play. And then, with my sport's unique ability to pull kids together as a FAMILY, I think those "begged and pleaded" kids would eventually be LOVERS of the sport as well.

You don't see many "team turmoil" type situations in football. You see it many times every season in bball.

Crutches are just something to lean on..........just like excuses!!!!!

This quote (and the one above) seems to imply that you think this thread is some kind of BBALL COACHES vs. FOOTBALL COACHES thing.

It is NOT (please go back and OBJECTIVELY read the original post).

The intent of this whole thing is to point out NUMBERS FACTS to bball kids that MIGHT NOT REALIZE them.

...and where exactly are the excuses (or foul language) you've accused me of?

One last question,how many academic scholarships are available? Just want to make sure that kids no all of their options:confused:

There are MANY academic scholarships (actually, funny you should ask, it's how I was able to afford college! I was NOT a "tall, athletic" kid like the ones this thread is geared toward).

I have no problem at all in mentioning these in this thread.

BUT AGAIN...this thread was about BASKETBALL KIDS THAT MAY BE GETTING HURT BY NOT TRYING FOOTBALL!!!!

If they're HIGH SCHOOL basketball players, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING that they are "trying academics."

To my knowledge, there are NO coaches of ANY sport telling kids, "hey, I think you should do LESS homework so you can concentrate on getting better at this sport."

So, you have once again said, "WHAT ABOUT ORANGES???!!!" as your rebuttal to a discussion completely about "APPLES."

[syoung]

Bobby Knight could have been a great coach........to be a great coach(or even a decent one) you have to be a good role model.......do you act like Bobby Knight or do you want anyone you know to act like Bobby Knight? He was immature and in bad need of anger management.

[Homer Simpson]

i like that post

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2.65 : 1 scholarship ratio in NCAA football to basketball. Coming from NCAA officer for the Southeast Region. This is just for NCAA, but she believes it would drop if NAIA, etc was included but not below 2.5