[Mastadon89]

A couple things before i make my stance which i know many pikeville fans agree with.
1) this is all caused by 6 classes in hs football in ky.
2) alot of it has to with mergers of small schools going to large public schools because of economy.

Heres my point though for pikeville/ hazard. Pikeville really doesnt care that hazard is in their district. They have been in the past weve delt with them then. Its actually a plus if theyre in our dis. We only have to play once a year in reg season more than likely for district! Thats good news for the people who want to make district mean something an bad news for the williamsburg district. Bcuz more than likely region will be a rematch of the one and two from district 8. So as an alum and fan bring em on! we're still pikeville and we may lose but dangit well try our little hearts out and give u a dam war! HAIL PIKEVILLE!

[Mastadon89]

Oh and btw i almost gurantee thedrive from hazard to phelps is more dangerous than from hazard to harlan

[cj2561]

Put hazard and pikeville in the same dist. And who care who the other two team is.

[HDE]

Truthfully I think the whole deal with the Hazard appeal is this,,,, why we're they moved from the original plan... No one from Hazard was told about it and no one contacted Hazard about moving from original plan till it was already released.

Exactly.
The Pikeville fan is talking about Hazard using politics to get it changed when Pikeville used politics to get the original plan changed.

The road to Phelps is a close second. I drove that from Elkhorn City to Phelps once and it was an experience.
Actually, there is a road that connects Hazard to Harlan without going through Leslie County on U.S. 421. I wouldn't recommend it though. Perry and Harlan have a border between them, but it's an adventure.

[jetpilot]

Exactly.
The Pikeville fan is talking about Hazard using politics to get it changed when Pikeville used politics to get the original plan changed.

The road to Phelps is a close second. I drove that from Elkhorn City to Phelps once and it was an experience.
Actually, there is a road that connects Hazard to Harlan without going through Leslie County on U.S. 421. I wouldn't recommend it though. Perry and Harlan have a border between them, but it's an adventure.

Bull. Still no reason to change the districts from how they have been for years. US 421 making you guys' little tummies hurt for a few minutes every two years is not a reason.

[HDE]

District 7 is entirely different either way. It's already changed. We've been over that once.
It's called a REALIGNMENT. That means things change.

[HDE]

Read many times that US 23 is one the most of (if not the most) dangerous roads in KY. If safety is your concern (wink) you want to avoid US 23. And yes everyone has traveled bad roads in E Ky. Belfry had bad roads, Pine Mountain, on and on. My point is the same. Travel times and danger of being in a wreck are virtually the same either way for Hazard. If Hazard wants to argue that they want to change the alignments of districts that have been in place for years because they don't like a stretch of highway, let them have at it. Tons of teams dislike stretches of highway.:HitWall:

Yeah, I-75 has more wrecks than 421 too, but 23 is a FOUR-LANE ROAD. We can't get any of those in Harlan County, but we've not any Harlan Countians in the governor's office. Just think about Pike County 30 years ago, and it's similar.

I don't think Hazard is using roads as an argument and neither am I. You just said it was a "freakin hour" to Harlan, so I pointed out it's a lot slower driving on curvy, two-lane roads than those you have in Pikeville.

[jetpilot]

Yeah, I-75 has more wrecks than 421 too, but 23 is a FOUR-LANE ROAD. We can't get any of those in Harlan County, but we've not any Harlan Countians in the governor's office. Just think about Pike County 30 years ago, and it's similar.

I don't think Hazard is using roads as an argument and neither am I. You just said it was a "freakin hour" to Harlan, so I pointed out it's a lot slower driving on curvy, two-lane roads than those you have in Pikeville.

You are the one who said the change was for safety (wink). US 23 IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN US 421. PERIOD.

For the record, US 23 was 4 lane highway long before Paul Patton made it to Frankfort.

If Hazard is not using roads as an argument, what is their argument?

[jetpilot]

District 7 is entirely different either way. It's already changed. We've been over that once.
It's called a REALIGNMENT. That means things change.

Yeah some districts change and some don't. You need a valid reason to change, not because some team has an agenda. We are stuck at a belly ache for a few minutes every two years as a reason to move Hazard out of the district they have been in for years.:HitWall:

[HDE]

What was Pikeville's "valid reason" for kicking Hazard out of District 8 after the original plan?

[jetpilot]

What was Pikeville's "valid reason" for kicking Hazard out of District 8 after the original plan?

You still didn't answer. Don't know that Pikeville had anything to do with it. Again, if they did I would assume they pointed out the obvious: no valid reason to move anyone else into District 8 from where they have been for years.

Now you answer. What's Hazard's argument?

[HDE]

I would rather drive to Atlanta or Chicago, than drive the hour and 15 minute trek between Hazard and Harlan,, I am car sick just thinking about it:igiveup:

Truthfully I think the whole deal with the Hazard appeal is this,,,, why we're they moved from the original plan... No one from Hazard was told about it and no one contacted Hazard about moving from original plan till it was already released.

There is NO HIDDEN AGENDA and Hazard is not ducking anyone and Hazard is not concerned with a little gas mileage.

Think they just appealed it, cause they were good with original plan but all of the sudden it was changed without any contact with them.

I'm not from Hazard.
Maybe they were upset that Pikeville was able to move them around, as this suggests. It makes sense to me.

[jetpilot]

I'm not from Hazard.
Maybe they were upset that Pikeville was able to move them around, as this suggests. It makes sense to me.

PIKEVILLE DIDN'T MOVE THEM AROUND....THEY PREVENTED THEM FROM MOVING AROUND.:HitWall:

[HDE]

Nope.
You need help with the realignment again.
Hazard was in District 6 the past four years. They didn't prevent them from moving, just from moving in with them.


It's interesting that Pikeville has ownership of District 8 and can decide who plays there. Only South Floyd, Phelps and Jenkins are allowed then?
Why did they let Jenkins move and not Hazard since it's so important to keep it the same?

I think everyone knows the answer to that one.

[jetpilot]

I did need to brush up again. It's the same teams together except Williamsburg and Lynn Camp are coming in and Jenkins going out. I had actually forgotten that Williamsburg was in a different district. My apologies. But it only makes it more clear that Hazard is dodging Williamsburg and wanting to take their chances with Pikeville. And Williamsburg is fine with that also, they don't want Hazard in their district either. Same with all the other teams in that district. So now that makes it Hazard wanting to drop Harlan, Lynn Camp and Pineville and pick up Phelps, Jenkins and South Floyd. Does that make sense to you?

[bac2369]

What's the average travel for pikeville for district?

[HDE]

I did need to brush up again. It's the same teams together except Williamsburg and Lynn Camp are coming in and Jenkins going out. I had actually forgotten that Williamsburg was in a different district. My apologies. But it only makes it more clear that Hazard is dodging Williamsburg and wanting to take their chances with Pikeville. And Williamsburg is fine with that also, they don't want Hazard in their district either. Same with all the other teams in that district. So now that makes it Hazard wanting to drop Harlan, Lynn Camp and Pineville and pick up Phelps, Jenkins and South Floyd. Does that make sense to you?

Hazard is dodging Williamsburg
Williamsburg is dodging Hazard
Harlan is dodging Hazard
Lynn Camp is dodging Hazard
Pineville is dodging Hazard

And yet Pikeville is dodging no one?

Pikeville just wants to keep District 8 the same. Except it's OK to move Jenkins in. And it's OK to move Allen Central out. But it's not OK to move in Hazard in. We just want to keep District 8 like it's always been.

[jetpilot]

Hazard is dodging Williamsburg
Williamsburg is dodging Hazard
Harlan is dodging Hazard
Lynn Camp is dodging Hazard
Pineville is dodging Hazard

And yet Pikeville is dodging no one?

Pikeville just wants to keep District 8 the same. Except it's OK to move Jenkins in. And it's OK to move Allen Central out. But it's not OK to move in Hazard in. We just want to keep District 8 like it's always been.

Allen Central is no longer in Class A. That left 3 teams in the district. They had to move someone in. So who did they move in? Jenkins, the closest team to Pikeville and Phelps by a big margin, and the closest to South Floyd as well. Is that in any way illogical or hard to understand?

[jetpilot]

And you forgot to answer if Hazard dropping Harlan, Lynn Camp and Pineville and picking up Phelps, South Floyd and Jenkins makes any sense to you.

[HDE]

Good point.
It is 21 minutes closer to Jenkins than Hazard.

But you can't move Hazard, too, because you want to keep it (exactly, almost) the same?

I do hate a five-team district much worse than Hazard being in District 7 or District 8 though. That should be fixed first.

[jetpilot]

The call on the field is Hazard to District 7. In order to change the call on the field you need some pretty compelling evidence that Hazard was put there in error. There is no such evidence. I agree on the 5-team districts though.

[HDE]

And you forgot to answer if Hazard dropping Harlan, Lynn Camp and Pineville and picking up Phelps, South Floyd and Jenkins makes any sense to you.

Those are three pretty easy wins for Hazard right now either way. I think the District 7 teams, though, have been much more competitive overall through the years.
I don't know if Hazard cares or believes one is easier than the other.
I think Pikeville has been better than Williamsburg in most years, but not last year, or this year, but this is about 2015.
It is an easier trip to the east than the west for Hazard. I don't think that's the reason though, so you can save some of your smiley faces, if you don't mind.

[jetpilot]

Also, 99% of Pikeville fans would tell you that Pikeville would much rather play Harlan, Pineville and Lynn Camp than Jenkins, Phelps and South Floyd. Yet Hazard wants to do the opposite. Why. I know why and I think you do too.

[HDE]

The call on the field is Hazard to District 7. In order to change the call on the field you need some pretty compelling evidence that Hazard was put there in error. There is no such evidence. I agree on the 5-team districts though.

The original call was Hazard to District 8, until Pikeville found "compelling evidence" to move them.
I could be wrong, but I think Hazard's reasons for District 8 are better than Pikeville's for District 7, now that we've dismissed with the "keeping the district the same" argument.
It may only be 24 minutes closer, but it's still closer, even if it's 1 minute.

[HDE]

Also, 99% of Pikeville fans would tell you that Pikeville would much rather play Harlan, Pineville and Lynn Camp than Jenkins, Phelps and South Floyd. Yet Hazard wants to do the opposite. Why. I know why and I think you do too.

You know Pikeville fans better than me.
I don't think it makes much difference and have no idea why/if Hazard has a preference.

[jetpilot]

Those are three pretty easy wins for Hazard right now either way. I think the District 7 teams, though, have been much more competitive overall through the years.
I don't know if Hazard cares or believes one is easier than the other.
I think Pikeville has been better than Williamsburg in most years, but not last year, or this year, but this is about 2015.
It is an easier trip to the east than the west for Hazard. I don't think that's the reason though, so you can save some of your smiley faces, if you don't mind.

You know 99 years out of 100 those 7th district teams beat those 8th district teams by a huge margin. And I'll drop the smiley faces.

[HDE]

At least 90.
But Hazard is beating all of them, at least in this century.

[jetpilot]

The original call was Hazard to District 8, until Pikeville found "compelling evidence" to move them.
I could be wrong, but I think Hazard's reasons for District 8 are better than Pikeville's for District 7, now that we've dismissed with the "keeping the district the same" argument.
It may only be 24 minutes closer, but it's still closer, even if it's 1 minute.

Yes you could.
The "original" call was "preliminary" which means "not final."
Now it's "final."
But you may be right. The compelling evidence is what put Hazard in District 7. And we haven't dismissed keeping the district the same. Allen Central went to 2A and they moved the closest Class A team in to take Allen Central's spot. Don't know why you are having a hard time grasping that. Your hope that they will move a team farther away (Hazard) in is illogical, so you are stuck with hoping they move 2 teams into District 8 so you can get rid of Hazard. They had a chance to do that with the "final" realignment and didn't.

[jetpilot]

At least 90.
But Hazard is beating all of them, at least in this century.

But Hazard knows it's a huge drop in the level of competition.

[Scotty_Bronson]

I dont get the point in districts and seedings if your goina have loosided numbers in eac district. Win your district or go to thanksgiving dinner and morn lol. Id say the top two would be acceptable as well i guess.