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05-13-2014, 11:28 AM
The KHSAA State Softball Tournament will remain at Jack Fisher Park in Owensboro 2015-18 according to Jason Frakes
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05-13-2014, 02:10 PM
Travesty.
05-13-2014, 10:47 PM
I went to games there a couple weeks back, and they are men's slow pitch fields with bad dirt for starters. Not even good ones!!
The temporary fences had holes all through them, and were falling down in the breeze, literally. The concession stand is below average to bad. That's just off the top of my head.
It is a travesty because KHSAA said they were pleased with the improvements, yet as far as the areas where the actual games are played and the players spend their time, they are no different (except maybe worse over time) than they were 4 years ago when I first was there for the State Tournament.
To me, KHSAA's concern has nothing to do with the players or the teams, and everything to do with the KHSAA members who congregate in the press box/lounge area.
If it were about the teams and players, they would play at the complex with the best facilities for the players and teams, creature comforts for the crotchety adults be damned.
I am sure, though, like everything else in life, it's about "follow the money", but I'm not about starting any conspiracy theories.
The temporary fences had holes all through them, and were falling down in the breeze, literally. The concession stand is below average to bad. That's just off the top of my head.
It is a travesty because KHSAA said they were pleased with the improvements, yet as far as the areas where the actual games are played and the players spend their time, they are no different (except maybe worse over time) than they were 4 years ago when I first was there for the State Tournament.
To me, KHSAA's concern has nothing to do with the players or the teams, and everything to do with the KHSAA members who congregate in the press box/lounge area.
If it were about the teams and players, they would play at the complex with the best facilities for the players and teams, creature comforts for the crotchety adults be damned.
I am sure, though, like everything else in life, it's about "follow the money", but I'm not about starting any conspiracy theories.
05-13-2014, 11:02 PM
I've never been to Jack Fisher Park so I have no idea what they looked like. I assumed that they kept them there because of how many fields their are and the amount of games that can get played in a day.
05-14-2014, 07:10 AM
Bottom line is that if district tournament and regional tournament are single elimination then the state tournament should be as well. If it is going to stay double elimination then district and region should go to this format.
One pitcher can get you through district and region, but in a double elimination tournament if you loose a game and are forced to play multiple games in a day then that pitcher fades and can't get it done.
The district and region are set up to help small schools while the state tournament is set up to help larger schools except the occasional team that has that loaded group.
If the state tournament was only single elimination then a quality complex like Louisville or UK could be used.
Single elimination would also help smaller schools because they wouldn't have to play as many games to win a state title. If everything is set up to help smaller schools then do it across the board. Or go to two classes and make everyone seed.
Also, why don't the state step in and say every district must draw or every district must seed instead of having different schools playing in different types of tournament to get to the region?
Just some thoughts.
In the 15th Region 57th District you have possibly the three best teams in the region that will eliminate one another before the district final because of a blind draw. How does that help softball in the region?
One pitcher can get you through district and region, but in a double elimination tournament if you loose a game and are forced to play multiple games in a day then that pitcher fades and can't get it done.
The district and region are set up to help small schools while the state tournament is set up to help larger schools except the occasional team that has that loaded group.
If the state tournament was only single elimination then a quality complex like Louisville or UK could be used.
Single elimination would also help smaller schools because they wouldn't have to play as many games to win a state title. If everything is set up to help smaller schools then do it across the board. Or go to two classes and make everyone seed.
Also, why don't the state step in and say every district must draw or every district must seed instead of having different schools playing in different types of tournament to get to the region?
Just some thoughts.
In the 15th Region 57th District you have possibly the three best teams in the region that will eliminate one another before the district final because of a blind draw. How does that help softball in the region?
05-14-2014, 07:23 AM
lastrebel1985 Wrote:I went to games there a couple weeks back, and they are men's slow pitch fields with bad dirt for starters. Not even good ones!!
The temporary fences had holes all through them, and were falling down in the breeze, literally. The concession stand is below average to bad. That's just off the top of my head.
It is a travesty because KHSAA said they were pleased with the improvements, yet as far as the areas where the actual games are played and the players spend their time, they are no different (except maybe worse over time) than they were 4 years ago when I first was there for the State Tournament.
To me, KHSAA's concern has nothing to do with the players or the teams, and everything to do with the KHSAA members who congregate in the press box/lounge area.
If it were about the teams and players, they would play at the complex with the best facilities for the players and teams, creature comforts for the crotchety adults be damned.
I am sure, though, like everything else in life, it's about "follow the money", but I'm not about starting any conspiracy theories.
Agreed 100%. I have been to at least 3 other parks that were 150% better than Jack Fisher Park. Pay out going to someone somewhere for it to stay in Owensboro.
05-14-2014, 07:32 AM
Greyhound Wrote:Bottom line is that if district tournament and regional tournament are single elimination then the state tournament should be as well. If it is going to stay double elimination then district and region should go to this format.
One pitcher can get you through district and region, but in a double elimination tournament if you loose a game and are forced to play multiple games in a day then that pitcher fades and can't get it done.
The district and region are set up to help small schools while the state tournament is set up to help larger schools except the occasional team that has that loaded group.
If the state tournament was only single elimination then a quality complex like Louisville or UK could be used.
Single elimination would also help smaller schools because they wouldn't have to play as many games to win a state title. If everything is set up to help smaller schools then do it across the board. Or go to two classes and make everyone seed.
Also, why don't the state step in and say every district must draw or every district must seed instead of having different schools playing in different types of tournament to get to the region?
Just some thoughts.
In the 15th Region 57th District you have possibly the three best teams in the region that will eliminate one another before the district final because of a blind draw. How does that help softball in the region?
To make district and region double elimination would be entirely too much...some districts only have 3 teams in the district which would make for IMO unneccessary games played before state.
I do agree that State should be held at different locations every year. I think the state should talk to all the colleges like UK, Louisville, WKU, NKU and a few others and do a rotaion of State site amongst these schools. The problem with that in lies that to obtain these facilitiesfor 3 days would incurr a rental/ usage fee, which at Jack C, it is probably considerably cheap and money going to more of th KHSAA. As well, Concessions at these locations, who profits from that the school or KHSAA? I'm sure they dont see all the concessions but I would be willing to bet they get a percentage.
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