[Real Badman]

With the bulk of teams in 2A being west of I-75 some big changes are going to have to take place. 4 eastern KY teams have been added with none leaving. I think this is sound. It keeps the I-71 corridor together in one region and minimizes the average travel for all teams across the state.

CLASS 2A
District 1 – Ballard Memorial, Mayfield, Webster County, Murray.
District 2 – Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Todd County Central.
District 3 – Clinton County, Glasgow, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County, Somerset.
District 4 – Danville, Lexington Christian, Washington County, Ft Knox, DeSales, Shawnee.
District 5 – Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport, Newport Central Catholic, Walton-Verona,
District 6 – Christian Academy-Louisville, Carroll County, Trimble County, Gallatin Co, Owen County.
District 7 – Bath County, West Carter, Betsy Layne, Prestonsburg, Allen Central.
District 8 – Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Middlesboro, Leslie County .

KHSAA won't break up the Pike and Floyd county teams.

[WILDCAT NATION]

KHSAA won't break up the Pike and Floyd county teams.

Why? Are you just going to load up 2 districts with 6-7 teams and have them basically cover everything on and east of I-75? That's not realistic.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

I could see Corbin petitioning to move up to 4A. I also wouldn't be opposed to that idea.

Corbin is arguably the most tradition rich program in the mountains and Corbin/Bell is called the "King of The Mountains". To see these teams placed in the western semi-state is too strange.

I don't know what you've been smoking...but Corbin is neither the most tradition rich program in the mountains nor the "king of the mountains". I believe Belfry, Breathitt Co, Pikeville and Bell have surpassed Corbin. That's not a knock at Corbin's tradition....but all of these schools have won at least one if not multiple state championships since the last Corbin championship.

[Real Badman]

35-40 minute round trip drive is more logical. I'd be willing my house they won't split them apart.

[WILDCAT NATION]

35-40 minute round trip drive is more logical. I'd be willing my house they won't split them apart.

It's not a 35 minute round trip on a bus from Betsy Layne to Shelby Valley much less the other 2 or East Ridge. But there is no point in arguing with you on that and I don't want you out in the cold. My point is 4 new teams have come into the east and none have left. Unless you want large geographic 6 and 7 team districts things are going to have to change.

Now if you can get 2 teams in the other 3 regions to play 3A then 2 teams come in that would make the alignment work in Morgan and Magoffin. Those 2 plus Bath Co and West Carter would make a district opposite the Floyd/ Pike district.

[Real Badman]

I just saying some other part of the class will get screwed in this process. They're not going to break those 15 region teams apart.

[Gitback Coach]

With the bulk of teams in 2A being west of I-75 some big changes are going to have to take place. 4 eastern KY teams have been added with none leaving. I think this is sound. It keeps the I-71 corridor together in one region and minimizes the average travel for all teams across the state.

CLASS 2A
District 1 – Ballard Memorial, Mayfield, Webster County, Murray.
District 2 – Butler County, Hancock County, McLean County, Owensboro Catholic, Todd County Central.
District 3 – Clinton County, Glasgow, Green County, Metcalfe County, Monroe County, Somerset.
District 4 – Danville, Lexington Christian, Washington County, Ft Knox, DeSales, Shawnee.
District 5 – Holy Cross (Covington), Lloyd Memorial, Newport, Newport Central Catholic, Walton-Verona,
District 6 – Christian Academy-Louisville, Carroll County, Trimble County, Gallatin Co, Owen County.
District 7 – Bath County, West Carter, Betsy Layne, Prestonsburg, Allen Central.
District 8 – Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Middlesboro, Leslie County .

I like yours better than mine. Also looks like the teams most likely to play up or opt out are already in the larger districts. As long as we have six classes, most teams can count on at least two major road trips per season.

[mysonis55]

I find it funny how Somerset and Danville are considered west. Its a 5 hour plus trip to those places from Mayfield.

[TopCat]

I find it funny how Somerset and Danville are considered west. Its a 5 hour plus trip to those places from Mayfield.

Imagine how we feel in Bell co. It is 1.5 hrs for us to get somerset!!!!

KHSAA is in need of a geography lesson before the do this!

[cksportsfan]

I find it funny how Somerset and Danville are considered west. Its a 5 hour plus trip to those places from Mayfield.

I find it funny in that 2-A proposal above Louisville DeSales and Louisville Shawnee are considered west, but Christian Academy-LOUISVILLE is considered east.

CAL and DeSales are currently in the same district, but now we think they should be on separate sides of the state? WHAT?

[cksportsfan]

Has anyone ever used:

http://batchgeo.com/

You can plot multiple map points at one time and get distances (I think). Might help for district/region alignment purposes.

You gotta remember in every class but 6-A
1 vs. 2, 3 vs. 4, 5 vs. 6, 7 vs. 8

So like above, if CAL is NOT in the same district with DeSales and Shawnee, it should be at least in the same region. It's clear Louisville is NOT the dividing line if Lexington -- a good 75 miles east of Louisville -- is considered west as well.

If:
A) Louisville is more/further west than Lexington
B) Lexington is considered west for alignment

Why?
C) CAL is EAST?

Screwing one centrally located school (which clearly has two travel buddies) to make numbers work doesn't make sense.

It's OK for Bell (which, let's face it, is in no-mans land in current alignment without shifting a ton of things), but not OK for CAL.

Plus, we can't compare Louisville schools in 2-A like 6-A, especially when 6-A playoffs are hodge-podge and they are NOT guaranteed to play each other.

[WILDCAT NATION]

I find it funny how Somerset and Danville are considered west. Its a 5 hour plus trip to those places from Mayfield.

Imagine how we feel in Bell co. It is 1.5 hrs for us to get somerset!!!!

KHSAA is in need of a geography lesson before the do this!

They are west because of 2 factors:
1. They are closer to each team in the new district than they are Middlesboro or Leslie Co. either one.
2. You have 10 teams in one area (I-71 corridor) that will make up one region and 9 in another (EKY) than make up the other.

You could put Somerset in the EKY region but their travel thru the season would be much greater in either district. Danville (Boyle Co) borders Washington Co. Why would they not be in the same district?

The new 2A alignment will make old "perceptions" of who's east and who's west go away because of the geography of the division.

[cksportsfan]

I do NOT have a problem with Washington and Danville being in same district.
Or Danville with Lexington Christian.

But taking CAL out of DeSales, Shawnee and Knox (which it is CURRENTLY in a district with) doesn't make sense. And then to put them in a non-neighbor region? You're forcing CAL into no close games whatsoever (district home, district away, playoffs). It's within 20 miles of two teams and 40 of another and you don't have CAL with any of the 3.

That won't happen.

It's the same reason there are only three teams currently in 6-A D-2 and 5 in NKY 6-A when the other six districts each have exactly four teams.

It's not ok to arbitrarily force one team to travel just for the sake of making numbers work.

It's especially not ok to arbitrarily force one CENTRALLY LOCATED TEAM (with plenty of closer options) to travel just for the sake of making numbers work.

Of course, in an ACTUAL proposed alignment Prestonsburg OFFICIALLY submitted to the KHSAA, Prestonsburg thought Fort Knox should be in a district with NKY (Newport, etc.).

[WILDCAT NATION]

Has anyone ever used:

http://batchgeo.com/

You can plot multiple map points at one time and get distances (I think). Might help for district/region alignment purposes.

You gotta remember in every class but 6-A
1 vs. 2, 3 vs. 4, 5 vs. 6, 7 vs. 8

So like above, if CAL is NOT in the same district with DeSales and Shawnee, it should be at least in the same region. It's clear Louisville is NOT the dividing line if Lexington -- a good 75 miles east of Louisville -- is considered west as well.

If:
A) Louisville is more/further west than Lexington
B) Lexington is considered west for alignment

Why?
C) CAL is EAST?

Screwing one centrally located school (which clearly has two travel buddies) to make numbers work doesn't make sense.

It's OK for Bell (which, let's face it, is in no-mans land in current alignment without shifting a ton of things), but not OK for CAL.

Plus, we can't compare Louisville schools in 2-A like 6-A, especially when 6-A playoffs are hodge-podge and they are NOT guaranteed to play each other.

Then put LCA in that district and CAL in the other. LCA will be heading to NKY instead of CAL. Or leave them in with them and have a big district. CAL just has easy access to those teams on I-71 that they were grouped with and would only be making 2 trips per year anyway. All I did was try to balance the districts in both number of teams and actual geography not an east/west perception.

I will say there are teams and fans that are not going to like how this turns out no matter what. 2A as it stands is a mess. Are DeSales and CAL going to 3A? They were there (I believe) on the 2 year numbers? I know the change from 2 year to 4 year numbers changed the classification for multiple teams in the 2A/3A cut line.

[WILDCAT NATION]

Of course, in an ACTUAL proposed alignment Prestonsburg OFFICIALLY submitted to the KHSAA, Prestonsburg thought Fort Knox should be in a district with NKY (Newport, etc.).[/QUOTE]

Wow.

[cksportsfan]

Of course, in an ACTUAL proposed alignment Prestonsburg OFFICIALLY submitted to the KHSAA, Prestonsburg thought Fort Knox should be in a district with NKY (Newport, etc.).

Wow.[/QUOTE]

Here's the proof:

http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/At...tID=197831
(Read Page 4 of the PDF).

Alternate link: http://alturl.com/2f3ix
(You'll have to load/read/download a PDF)

Prestonsburg didn't have ANY Louisville teams left in 2-A in its district set-up.

[FlippedOut]

I guess we should thank coach. Middlesboro's closest district game is over 2hrs and now he wants them to go to Washington County. Thanks coach. Let me add thanks KHSAA for using 4 year adv. 2 years would better represent the school. I have said this before Middlesboro numbers today are 190 boys. Travel has really caused problems and now Prestonsburg wants them to go to Washington County.

[mysonis55]

I guess we will finally be able to settle the question of whether my Cardinals are capable of playing with the Somerset Bunnies or the NCC Thoroughbreds. We should be right in the mix of things for the next 3-4 years.

[mysonis55]

I would really like to see us move up to 3a soon. This would give us a chance to play against PT, Fort Campbell, Central and Belfry. That would be some interesting matchups.

[cksportsfan]

I guess we should thank coach. Middlesboro's closest district game is over 2hrs and now he wants them to go to Washington County. Thanks coach. Let me add thanks KHSAA for using 4 year adv. 2 years would better represent the school. I have said this before Middlesboro numbers today are 190 boys. Travel has really caused problems and now Prestonsburg wants them to go to Washington County.

Pretty sure Middlesboro is closer to Gatlinburg, Tenn., than it is to Washington County (Springfield).

I'd know, considering I went to Gatlinburg in 2012 on a Wednesday and Thursday and caught the LaRue-Bell playoff game that Friday. Stayed the night that Friday in the Middlesboro Days Inn -- which I hope I never have the pleasure of staying the night again -- and came back to Hardin County that Saturday (in which you pass through Washington County on the route I took).

FWIW, Washington County should not be considered "East" or districts 5-6-7-8 in any class. In any alignment. It's in the 19th District in basketball.

[Bobcat_Dad]

Pretty sure Middlesboro is closer to Gatlinburg, Tenn., than it is to Washington County (Springfield).

I'd know, considering I went to Gatlinburg in 2012 on a Wednesday and Thursday and caught the LaRue-Bell playoff game that Friday. Stayed the night that Friday in the Middlesboro Days Inn -- which I hope I never have the pleasure of staying the night again -- and came back to Hardin County that Saturday (in which you pass through Washington County on the route I took).

FWIW, Washington County should not be considered "East" or districts 5-6-7-8 in any class. In any alignment. It's in the 19th District in basketball.

Alot closer. :Thumbs:

Heck if KHSAA keep up with their Geographic blindness, we may see if THSAA will anex the Bell Co. teams. :please:

[johnnyd]

Alot closer. :Thumbs:

Heck if KHSAA keep up with their Geographic blindness, we may see if THSAA will anex the Bell Co. teams. :please:

Explain to everyone where Bell County should go then in 3A. If Bell choses to stay in 3A then the teams (district) they play now are the closest schools to them to play. I thought the same thing but the next closest district ( Breathitt's) is further driving time wise than the one they are in.

[Bobcat_Dad]

Go back and look I already listed it, a page or 2 ago. But here it is again.

District 5
Bell Co.
McCreary
Corbin
Jackson (Would take Wayne's place in the district with them moving to 4A. They already play in the 13th region in basketball. Travel would be easier for them in this district than their current 1)
Casey (They are really the only team out of the way but someone has to move East and they are already in the district with Bell, MCC and Corbin)

The district was not the problem, it was the region they where in. No reason for them to the be in the West. E'town has traveled 3 years in a row to Bell Co. for a first round game. Is that fair to either team? E'town driving that far for a most likely loss, keep in mind they were 0-10 1 year. Also is it fair for that Bell has made nearly nothing from the gate in the last 3 years???

2 years ago if Bell would have hung on to beat Central in the Region they could have possibily traveled to Paducah on Thanksgiving to play a Semi game.

[cksportsfan]

If that one alignment holds up, Elizabethtown's 3-A district would be opposite Paducah.

What a trade ... Bell and Wayne counties for far west Kentucky.

Even though E'town is 30 miles from the geographic center of Kentucky (Marion County or Campbellsville, depending on which source) AND has several key roads (31W, I-65, Bluegrass Parkway, Lincoln Parkway, WK Parkway) running thru it (hence how E'town got the name The Hub City) ... apparently E'town is a geographic oddity.

Hmmm.

[Bobcat_Dad]

If that one alignment holds up, Elizabethtown's 3-A district would be opposite Paducah.

What a trade ... Bell and Wayne counties for far west Kentucky.

Even though E'town is 30 miles from the geographic center of Kentucky (Marion County or Campbellsville, depending on which source) AND has several key roads (31W, I-65, Bluegrass Parkway, Lincoln Parkway, WK Parkway) running thru it (hence how E'town got the name The Hub City) ... apparently E'town is a geographic oddity.

Hmmm.

E'town is 2:40 minutes to PT. E'town 3:20 to Bell Co. according to Mapquest. Plus your time zone difference which also causes problems.

They are also in the 2nd western most district so they should be in that region, Geographicly speaking???

[johnnyd]

Go back and look I already listed it, a page or 2 ago. But here it is again.

District 5
Bell Co.
McCreary
Corbin
Jackson (Would take Wayne's place in the district with them moving to 4A. They already play in the 13th region in basketball. Travel would be easier for them in this district than their current 1)
Casey (They are really the only team out of the way but someone has to move East and they are already in the district with Bell, MCC and Corbin)

The district was not the problem, it was the region they where in. No reason for them to the be in the West. E'town has traveled 3 years in a row to Bell Co. for a first round game. Is that fair to either team? E'town driving that far for a most likely loss, keep in mind they were 0-10 1 year. Also is it fair for that Bell has made nearly nothing from the gate in the last 3 years???

2 years ago if Bell would have hung on to beat Central in the Region they could have possibily traveled to Paducah on Thanksgiving to play a Semi game.

It might not be fair but how this whole thing works out is they start west and work east. There was no where else for Bell to go in the last alignment than where they did.

[Bobcat_Dad]

Not sure about that 1. Lots of teams where closer to WKY and Louisville metro area that played in the East, while Bell was in the West.

[johnnyd]

Not sure about that 1. Lots of teams where closer to WKY and Louisville metro area that played in the East, while Bell was in the West.

Yes but what other district would they have been in? Corbin, Wayne, Casey have all been in the west for many years. Where else would they have went? You havent answered my question. What other district would they have possibly been in?

[ColtPride]

I guess we will finally be able to settle the question of whether my Cardinals are capable of playing with the Somerset Bunnies or the NCC Thoroughbreds. We should be right in the mix of things for the next 3-4 years.

I'd be worrying about playing the larger 2A schools like DeSales, and CAL. We both dressed over 60 players last year. I know we actually dressed 82. Pretty impressive for 2A football.

[cksportsfan]

Yes but what other district would they have been in? Corbin, Wayne, Casey have all been in the west for many years. Where else would they have went? You havent answered my question. What other district would they have possibly been in?

It's NOT the district they were in. ... It's the district's NUMBER/NAME.

That district should have been east. An eastern district (5 or 6) should should have been numbered 3 or 4 and put in the west.

Not looking at the current alignment right now, but many folks believe district numbers should have been switched, which would have kept E'town and LaRue going all the way to Bell and from Bell having to go to Paducah.