[AtlPirateFan]

I'm not being defensive of anything. I'm just saying people should remember that these are kids that work hard just like Belfry's and people need to remember that. Defense, offense whatever it maybe.

I find the "they are kids" argument to be stale. I see this as 2 football teams, with players on each side. A player and team is analyzed, scrutinized and discussed.

On the personal level, yes this is a great accomplishment for young men not yet into their adult hood. Everything they have done are great personal accomplishments for such young lives. However I am not judging kids, but I am analyzing athletes in a football game.

[Do-double-gg]

Me and Gut have said all year how down eastern KY football was this year. All season teams from this area were trying to judge the outcome of games by how things went the last few years. The problem with this is that a lot of the teams who were dominating the last few years were down quite a bit this year. All year before the season started people were talking about how tough there schedule was, but as it turns out a hard schedule was hard to come by in the east this year. We were thinking Johnson Central was close to Highlands after what they did to the east but they were not even close. I will be pulling for Belfry to represent the east and district but I don't think they have seen a team as complete or talented as Wayne this year except maybe JC and we know how that turned out. I would honestly take Wayne over Johnson by a score but I hope I'm wrong.

[johnnyd]

By no means was I discrediting Wayne, only making the statement that an analysis of a football team who's defense has been hyped for most of the latter part of the season. If you see what I said as saying Wayne's wins were flukes then you truly struggle to understand the analysis. Only stating something that should be obvious in that Wayne dominated several lesser teams, as they should have. And beat traditionally good teams who were not on their usual level. Belfry on the other hand has played a schedule that looked grueling to begin the year. While winning they struggled at times with many aspects and the schedule that once looked so daunting turned out to be slightly above their average schedules.

I'm not raining on your parade or eating your cookie. I am analyzing a football game from the perspective of a fan for one team, so yes it may be a bit biased. Wayne won the games put in front of them with ease the analysis stemmed from the fact someone used per game stats to declare Wayne would win. The analysis was to show that weak competition skews those numbers.

Belfry's fans have analyzed our games and our weaknesses all year long. We are not trying to hide anything from anyone. Since you brought it up however, Sheldon Clark is terrible no doubt the worst we faced all year, we played a terrible game against Soutwestern the second worst team we faced all year. Jackson Co put more points on the board than Wayne's worst 5 opponents and were the 3rd worst team we faced this season.

I could analyze every bit of Belfry's schedule and would be far more critical of it that I was of Wayne's, but I have seen that analysis.

If you were going by points on the board then the finals game should have been South Warren vs Bourbon County.....but that didn't happen did it? Why because at the end of the day it's how team A and team B matchup with each other......not analysis of schedule.

[Do-double-gg]

Also from what I hear Wayne has a very good passing game and when I say good I don't mean eastern Kentucky good but a legitimate passing game. If this is true then things could get ugly for the Belfry defense after playing all the run teams from the east all year. Jhonson was the only team to beat em this year an JC don't pass the ball more then 4 or 5 times a game so the Belfry pass defense has not even came close to being tested yet.

[AtlPirateFan]

If you were going by points on the board then the finals game should have been South Warren vs Bourbon County.....but that didn't happen did it? Why because at the end of the day it's how team A and team B matchup with each other......not analysis of schedule.

You are exactly right it's about how the matchup. The points was only to describe offenses that didn't excel at putting points on the board nothing else.

The original analysis was to dispute the Wayne will win because they allow fewer PPG, RushYdsPG and PassingYdsPG. It was to show that Wayne for the most part, aside from about 3 teams, faced teams who struggled to score against anybody not just Wayne. The same argument was used for 2 straight years that Bourbon would beat Belfry because they put up tons of points they were beaten by a combined 54 - 23. It's does not matter what you do during the season but whom you are able to do it against that makes you better. It has been said that Wayne is the most complete team we will face all year and the scariest one yet, because they are mostly unknown to many Belfry fans.

The problem is your seeing this is a personal attack to discredit young men of their accomplishments. It is not that at all.

[BelfryPride]

I'm not being defensive of anything. I'm just saying people should remember that these are kids that work hard just like Belfry's and people need to remember that. Defense, offense whatever it maybe.

He NEVER said that they didnt work as hard as anyone else. Why is everyone always wanting to argue with a true analysis. EKU will be the first to tell you what Belfry's weakesses are along with that of their opponent, but you only pick out Wayne's analysis and get butthurt over it. Belfry IS NOT PERFECT. Wayne IS NOT PERFECT.

[EKUAlum05]

Also from what I hear Wayne has a very good passing game and when I say good I don't mean eastern Kentucky good but a legitimate passing game. If this is true then things could get ugly for the Belfry defense after playing all the run teams from the east all year. Jhonson was the only team to beat em this year an JC don't pass the ball more then 4 or 5 times a game so the Belfry pass defense has not even came close to being tested yet.

Belfry played more spread teams than anything else on their schedule

Pike Central X2
CAK
Gallia Acad.
Somerset
Bourbon County
Pikeville

Southwestern ran the read option

Scrimmages don't mean much but they scrimmaged Hazard and Richlands, VA who both run out of the spread as well.

CAK and Bourbon were good passing teams, but in all fairness neither hold a candle to Wayne's ability to sling it... CAK is the closest, but even then Wayne is on a different level. Bourbon is a better running team than Wayne though.

[TopCat]

Wayne has had a tough road to get to Bowling Green. Belfry not so much. That will be the difference IMO.

Should be a great game.

[AtlPirateFan]

Also from what I hear Wayne has a very good passing game and when I say good I don't mean eastern Kentucky good but a legitimate passing game. If this is true then things could get ugly for the Belfry defense after playing all the run teams from the east all year. Jhonson was the only team to beat em this year an JC don't pass the ball more then 4 or 5 times a game so the Belfry pass defense has not even came close to being tested yet.

We have not faced a team as good at passing as Wayne there is no doubt about that. We have however played several passing teams to help prepare us, even if very little. We struggled against all of them at times. CAK was a great passing team but had not seen a team who was as physical as Belfry, their PA guy told me at half time Belfry was the only team they had seen all year where the QB lined up under Center and not in the gun or pistol. PCC has an explosive passing game and burned us quite a few times in the first game. Bourbon had a passing game predicated on speed alone and would be playing in BG had they not had 3 - 4 home run shots go in the favor of Belfry. Somerset and we saw how their season went, so they were not a slouch. Gallia I believe was also a spread team. JC dominated us with their Oline and allowed their backs to do whatever they wanted to do.

[AnotherPirateTD]

Congrats to Wayne and Belfry on a great season. May the best Pirate team bring home the gold. GO BIG RED

[Iam4thecats]

Iam4thecats is a Blazer fan.

He can enjoy a line that can't blow Greenup off the line moving forward and enjoy bball as far as we should all care.

I happen to live in Bowling Green, and my team is going after 3 rings and 44-0. If you bother to look up my posts instead of being butthurt over the truth you would see that I defended Haywood in the coach of the year threads to the point of calling a Highlands fan some bad names.

[AtlPirateFan]

Wayne has had a tough road to get to Bowling Green. Belfry not so much. That will be the difference IMO.

Should be a great game.

Totally agree that Wayne had a difficult road with Central and PT defenses. Those two games could be a huge benefit for them, Belfry's only test was stopping an explosive Bourbon offense.

[EKUAlum05]

Wayne has had a tough road to get to Bowling Green. Belfry not so much. That will be the difference IMO.

Should be a great game.

I think you are under-selling how good Bourbon County is...but there is no doubt Belfry had it paved fairly easily until they got to the Semi's.

Wayne definitely has beat a "Who's Who" list of big name teams in Corbin, Central, and Tilghman... I will argue that the Corbin team who was playing wasn't much stiffer competition than Lawrence County.. but Central was an exponentially better team than Pike Central.

Tilghman vs. Bourbon is open for debate... but I would side with a 13-0 Bourbon teams over a 5 loss Tilghman dealing with major internal turmoil.

[TopCat]

Who did Bourbon play to get to 13-0? Nobody.

[BelfryPride]

Wayne has had a tough road to get to Bowling Green. Belfry not so much. That will be the difference IMO.

Should be a great game.

:biglmao:

We've both gotten here because we earned it...it was not given to either one of us.

[EKUAlum05]

Who did Bourbon play to get to 13-0? Nobody.

It's not like Tilghman, Central, or Corbin were loaded with big wins either though?

Bourbon dominated an undefeated Mason County which was their only quality win. Mason County really did not have any good wins.

Tilghman really only had two good wins, McCracken County (the best win of the lot) but in the school's first ever game and a South Warren team (in very controversial manner) who hadn't beat anyone. Tilghman played an impossible schedule and played some good teams close, but they still lost those games.

Central had some impressive losses.. but what would normally be considered signature wins versuses PRP (4-7), Lafayette (3-8), and Eastern (4-7) were rather mundane this year. Their best win was probably your Bell County team who was the weakest they have been in a decade.

Corbin had no quality wins... their best win was a very weak Perry Central team who lost to Letcher Central.

[Belfry_99]

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...vs-Belfrey

looks like the CJ doesn't know how to spell Belfry either..:hilarious:

[Hurricane Storm]

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/2...vs-Belfrey

looks like the CJ doesn't know how to spell Belfry either..:hilarious:

Geez. Simply amazing.... :HitWall:

[Go Big Red!]

But you also keep in mind, Corbin, Central and PT...can't even hold a light to Belfrys offense...Wayne is good they deserve to be here they earned it but they have not seen a Offense this good all year......say what you want but IMO Corbin was garbage this year, Central was way down compared to past years, and Paducah was a defensive team who lost their leader the week of the game....I forsee a great football game.. down to the wire...again is comes down to LOS...and I just see Belfry controlling that on both sides of the Ball...irateShoirateSho

Your opinion of Corbin May change after Wayne blows belfry up!! Wayne beat Corbin by 7 before Corbin's started their down hill slide. Corbin had a very good run team and a very good run defense team. It's not a freak accident or mistake that Wayne is here they are a great team and you will get all you want in BG. IMO belfry makes it every year because they are not on this side of the brackets. I believe belfry is a awesome football program and most years they deserve to play for a championship but I believe they are a little down this year and Wayne is way up!! It's going to be a good game but I think Wayne pulls away a little each quarter and wins rather easily.

[BHSPIRATE51-87]

[quote=BelfryPride][quote=skully03] Is it jealousy?


No one is ever jealous of the Bridesmaid only the Bride


That's a horrible forecast not only will this effect teams but fan turn out not what anyone want's for state tourney

Weather will not be a factor for Belfry's team or fan turnout.

[Pirate1991#8]

Your opinion of Corbin May change after Wayne blows belfry up!! Wayne beat Corbin by 7 before Corbin's started their down hill slide. Corbin had a very good run team and a very good run defense team. It's not a freak accident or mistake that Wayne is here they are a great team and you will get all you want in BG. IMO belfry makes it every year because they are not on this side of the brackets. I believe belfry is a awesome football program and most years they deserve to play for a championship but I believe they are a little down this year and Wayne is way up!! It's going to be a good game but I think Wayne pulls away a little each quarter and wins rather easily.

No it won't Corbin is garbage this year even If wayne did so happen to blow us out ( which they won't) you guys would finish 3rd maybe fourth in our district also because Corbin is no better than LC or PC.....I respect Wayne county's success but belfry is not down this year...young but not down.....You will see friday just how down we are....lol.....

[TopCat]

Pains me to do this (support corbin haha) but Corbin is very close to being equal to Bourbon. IMO those 2 teams are very, very similar. Yes I have seen them both. Corbin would have finished 13-0 or 12-1 playing Bourbons schedule.

[E's Army]

I saw Corbin and Pike Central this year. Corbin was 20 points better than Pike Central. Pike Central beat Lawrence County so I would assume C was also better than Lawrence County.Did you happen to see Corbin this year.

[Granny Bear]

^^
I disagree TopCat! Bourbon looked bigger, and certainly played a lot stronger than Corbin....granted I only both teams play one game each. I wouldn't even compare the two, based on what I saw.

[E's Army]

Corbin 14 Southwestern 0. Belfry 38 Southwestern 27.

[E's Army]

Not against Belfry but calling Corbin garbage is idiotic.

[AtlPirateFan]

Bourbon was 2 - 3 TDs better than Corbin.

Also Belfry @ Southwestern is well regarded as possibly our worst defensive outing of the year (minus Johnson Central). Belfry came off a huge win over Somerset and (at the time) very hyped win over Harlan Co. They overlooked Southwestern who took advantage of the young defense and nearly let it slip away. The offense however was very good in that game going for over 300 on the ground and 70 in the air. This is not the same Belfry defense from week 3 of the season

[TopCat]

Corbin 14 Southwestern 0. Belfry 38 Southwestern 27.

Enough said!

Bigger don't always mean better.

[EKUAlum05]

Pains me to do this (support corbin haha) but Corbin is very close to being equal to Bourbon. IMO those 2 teams are very, very similar. Yes I have seen them both. Corbin would have finished 13-0 or 12-1 playing Bourbons schedule.

If Corbin would have went 12-1 they would not have been close to being equal since Bourbon steamrolled everything in their path

From what I saw of Corbin they were much closer to Lawrence County and Pike Central than Bourbon...I think the most similar team to Corbin was Mason County .

[TopCat]

Different schedules. But anyway good luck to the Pirates!