[RunItUpTheGut]

The numbers are out. As expected, hosting the tournament at Harlan County High School turned out to be a costly one.

In recent years at the Arena in Corbin, profits stayed above $90,000.00 every year.
At the Arena:
2010- $111,233.50 (14,764 Tickets Sold)
2011- $106,199.00 (14,487 Tickets Sold)
2012- $90,488.00 (11,904 Tickets Sold)

Average-$102,640.16 (13,718 Tickets Sold)

At Harlan County High School
2013- $61,640.00 (7,702 Tickets Sold)

Thats a $40,000.00 hit.



Having the Boys and Girls Tournaments at the Arena is the only way to go from a financial standpoint. Sales at the arena nearly doubles that of what was sold this year at HCHS. HCHS has wondeful facilities, but the money lost this year could have really helped 13th region schools, especially the smaller schools.

Jackson County is set to host the Tournament next year, and they have announced the tournament will return to the Arena, and most likely will for the foreseeable future.

http://thenewsjournal.net/

[footballfever]

Who takes the HIT. Who takes the loss in $$. Who suffers financially?

[Dietpepsidrinker]

Guess the casual fan was not interested in driving up scenic 119 to Harlan County High School. No matter how good the facilities, sometimes it just is not worth it.


I guess they were wrong when they said: "If you build it they will come" cause they sure did not come this year.

[Yogibear]

Guess the casual fan was not interested in driving up scenic 119 to Harlan County High School. No matter how good the facilities, sometimes it just is not worth it.


I guess they were wrong when they said: "If you build it they will come" cause they sure did not come this year.

If you don't like it, stay at the house.

[PaintsvilleTigerfan]

If you don't like it, stay at the house.

Apparently 6000 folks did... Just saying.

[bear claw]

You big CITY people are spoiled!!!!!!!! Don't worry about US Harlan County people who have to travel to Corbin. It cracks me up that you all think it is a big deal to have it at the AREA for YOUR CONVIENCE. Having it at differnet regions sites is what we did for MANY years and no one complained but now you people that are close to Corbin want it there. This sickens me. Just me though, who am I?

[insideinfo]

Who takes the HIT. Who takes the loss in $$. Who suffers financially?

Great Question. Did all the schools receive the same amount when played at he arena?

[cksportsfan]

bear claw,

Some folks need to look at the BIG picture.

I'm not from Owensboro, but Region 3 needs to be at the Owensboro Sports Center. College Floor. Biggest gym/arena in region. Neutral site (not a permanent home for any Daviess County school, as they play most home games at their own high schools).

Region 4 needs to be at WKU.

Morehead State needs to host its region.

Same with NKU in NKY.

And Bellarmine (now that its done), Gardens, wherever in Louisville.

And the Pikeville (East KY Expo) for its region.

While schools think it should be spread out, financially, it makes sense to have it at the biggest place (provided you get a sweet deal on rent).

In the 3rd Region a few years ago, Meade County made more money by NOT hosting and playing in Owensboro. Teams get better checks because more fans means more tickets means more concessions means more other (programs, shirts).

Inconveniencing the biggest/more populous fanbases -- especially when they have more than capable arenas -- is dumb, self-serving and financially foolish.

If you lost money -- and it looks like a TON of it -- by doing it your way, um, what was the purpose of doing it YOUR way again? Whatever it was, it was a failure.

I'm not from the Corbin arena. Or with the Pikeville arena. Or with WKU, NKU or the SportsCenter.

I personally gain NOTHING from the games being held at those sites.

But unlike you, I see the greater good.

[William Muney]

It was a mistake to have it at the high school site. It needs to be done for the good of the entire region, not just the folks in a particular county or area.

[Full deck]

I have to agree with the HC fans, why should they have to drive every year.

[cksportsfan]

I have to agree with the HC fans, why should they have to drive every year.

1) Because the population base for the region is NOT close to HC.

2) Because financially, the region took a huge loss when it WAS at HC.

It's the same reason the Bullitts never host their region and Louisville ALWAYS does.

Why make the MAJORITY have a FURTHER drive?

But hey, if making the INTENTIONAL decision to lose money in a day and age of cutbacks, then heck, do it just to make a FEW happy.


I'm not from Corbin. Not from HC either. I'm about 2 hours to the west -- and that's, umm, being liberal with the speed limit.

I've got no personal dog in this argument.

But when we rip the KHSAA for not making sense, holding the region at HC instead of a place it does really really well -- i.e. Corbin Arena -- well, that doesn't make sense. Or cents.

Either way, it does not (and did not) work.

If HC wants it again, it needs to make sure fans actually show up (like they do it at Corbin). If not, HC needs to cut a check to cover the difference (when it is at Corbin).

If not, HC is doing EVERYONE ELSE in the region a dis-service.

And that, my friends, is foolish, selfish and self-serving.

Like I said in the 3rd Region, Meade makes MORE money when the Owensboro schools host it at the Owensboro SportsCenter than when Meade County hosted the tourney itself.

So why does Meade NEED to host the tourney again? So EVERYONE ELSE can lose money just so lil ole Meade doesn't have to drive for once?

B.S.

Like I said, some schools need to stop thinking about "getting mine" and see the greater good.

[footballfever]

I agree!!!! Region can't afford to lose that kind od $$$. SO, the only fair way to do it is have every school in region put in a bid for guarenteed $$$. If Red Bird or OBI can have the highest bid then they should host.
If the family from Harlan Co. who donated all the $$ for the football field decided to donate $100,000 each year if Region would be in Harlan Co. then lets do it. I mean it is big time high school athletics so it is all about the $$$$.

[BriarCreekBrave]

There is another alternative....

Harlan could leave the 13th and move to the 14th.

Then they could inconvenience a whole other region....LOL

Seriously, the reason the money was not there this year was simple....nobody wants to drive to Harlan County unless they are watching their team play. At the Arena in Corbin, you gets lots of causal fans. I would never let my son and daughter drive to Harlan even to watch a game regardless of who was playing. While I would let them travel a few miles on I-75 to go to the Arena.

Losing 40 Large is not an option unless they are all Obama fans in Harlan County....then they can all say..."Let Me Be Clear On This....Look at all the gas we saved American by people not going to the games........"

Look HC fans are never going to agree that it is crazy to have it there....they have spent millions on their athletic facilities (fooball, basketball, baseball, softball...) and they want to use them so people can see them, but in hindsight was that really a good decision? Glad I am not paying the bills or taxes in HC.

[RunItUpTheGut]

You big CITY people are spoiled!!!!!!!! Don't worry about US Harlan County people who have to travel to Corbin. It cracks me up that you all think it is a big deal to have it at the AREA for YOUR CONVIENCE. Having it at differnet regions sites is what we did for MANY years and no one complained but now you people that are close to Corbin want it there. This sickens me. Just me though, who am I?

Big City.....Now thats funny.

[Yogibear]

Apparently 6000 folks did... Just saying.

That's fine. Let them save their money to go to the Arena next year. Who cares?

[HDE]

There is another alternative....

Harlan could leave the 13th and move to the 14th.

Then they could inconvenience a whole other region....LOL

Look HC fans are never going to agree that it is crazy to have it there....they have spent millions on their athletic facilities (fooball, basketball, baseball, softball...) and they want to use them so people can see them, but in hindsight was that really a good decision? Glad I am not paying the bills or taxes in HC.

I like the 14th Region idea. I suggested it years ago. Harlan County does border three 14th Region counties and only one in the 13th.

As for the bills, you are paying them. That was state money used to build HCHS. We appreciate it, too.

[BriarCreekBrave]

I like the 14th Region idea. I suggested it years ago. Harlan County does border three 14th Region counties and only one in the 13th.

As for the bills, you are paying them. That was state money used to build HCHS. We appreciate it, too.

That is a sad attitude.....but just about what I expected. At least you are not ignorant enough to argue the numbers and just how bad an idea it was to have it there based on the loss of money. Listen if you want to go tot he 14th, I would donate to the U-haul.

Great school facility, every district would be proud of the educational opportunities afforded the students of the school system, but throwing all that money away in the current economic times is silly. AND I thought that some of that money was donated....kind of like the money which got the region there..... You also are very nice to help make my argument....you border only one 13th region county but made the whole region drive to you little piece of heaven.....I guess it does not matter what the vote was, the only thing that matters is the size of the check that gets written and the honors bestowed....LOL.

Also nice editing of my post.....like not addressing the loss of over FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!!!

[ballboy]

Look at how far Russell County has to travel to Bowling Green every year thats not far to the team, but its to make money they Russell County should be in the 12th region. Why did Estill County leave the 10th? I heard they got tired of traveling to Mason County each year to play the regional. And would get a close regional tournament every 5 years at Powell County. Just saying that what I was told but when you have to go to Letcher from Estill thats a 3 hour or so drive and its not far to the team.

[hoops_town]

The best idea by far is moving Harlan Co to the 14th region. And take little brother Harlan City with them.

[bear claw]

This is so funny or sad, I am not sure what to think. It is not like it is at Harlan County every year. It will not be at Harlan County again until what 15 years. What is the big deal that Harlan County wanted to hold the region when it was their turn. I also think it is funny how you all say you wouldn't let your child drive to Harlan but who gives a SHIT if my son has to travel to Corbin!!!!!!!

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
More than likely, in 15 years, that gym wont be as pretty and they wont care for having it there.....i would say it will be at the arena from now on. Majority rules.

[cksportsfan]

This is so funny or sad, I am not sure what to think. It is not like it is at Harlan County every year. It will not be at Harlan County again until what 15 years. What is the big deal that Harlan County wanted to hold the region when it was their turn. I also think it is funny how you all say you wouldn't let your child drive to Harlan but who gives a SHIT if my son has to travel to Corbin!!!!!!!

The point went way over your head.

The rest of the 3rd Region should have to travel to Owensboro.

The rest of the 4th Region should have to travel to Bowling Green.

The Bullitt schools should have to travel to Louisville for their region (since there are 3 Bullitts and like 20+ Louisville schools)

Pikeville (which has closer schools and a nice neutral-court college-floor arena) should host its region.

Ticking off the majority -- and LOSING A TON OF MONEY IN THE PROCESS -- to make the minority happy is beyond dumb fiscally in this day and age.

Now if Harlan County gets some big donor or sponsor or advertiser to pony up a ton of money to make it worthwhile (Read: Cut EVERY other school in the region a check to make it financially lucrative to travel to HC), then yes, HC should have it.

But it is NOT worth it to make a ton of people -- actually, not a ton because based on the ticket sales, that did NOT happen -- to travel just because you've got a new and pretty gym.

You had your chance. It failed. The fans spoke loud and clear (with their attendance and with their wallets).

Back to the drawing board.

[HDE]

I haven't seen the books, but I think every school in the region got the $1,500 that was part of the agreement to have the tournament at HCHS.

[BriarCreekBrave]

I haven't seen the books, but I think every school in the region got the $1,500 that was part of the agreement to have the tournament at HCHS.

Well the last time it was held in Harlan County was at old Cawood High School and nobody got any money. They said they did not make any money so nobody got their "split"......

Seriously??? You have not seen the books? The News Journal saw them and you can read their paper so that is like looking at the books right? Of course we know that nobody in the media would never be untruthful (Not counting CBS, ABC, NBC...etc)

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

[HDE]

I didn't see the part about the $1,500 for each school in the region.

[SEKYFAN]

The numbers are out. As expected, hosting the tournament at Harlan County High School turned out to be a costly one.

In recent years at the Arena in Corbin, profits stayed above $90,000.00 every year.
At the Arena:
2010- $111,233.50 (14,764 Tickets Sold)
2011- $106,199.00 (14,487 Tickets Sold)
2012- $90,488.00 (11,904 Tickets Sold)

Average-$102,640.16 (13,718 Tickets Sold)

At Harlan County High School
2013- $61,640.00 (7,702 Tickets Sold)

Thats a $40,000.00 hit.



Having the Boys and Girls Tournaments at the Arena is the only way to go from a financial standpoint. Sales at the arena nearly doubles that of what was sold this year at HCHS. HCHS has wondeful facilities, but the money lost this year could have really helped 13th region schools, especially the smaller schools.

Jackson County is set to host the Tournament next year, and they have announced the tournament will return to the Arena, and most likely will for the foreseeable future.

http://thenewsjournal.net/

I'm not sure if I fully understand how the money is distributed. Does each school share the proceeds equally, does the host school get what is left over after the other schools get their guaranteed pay out or does the money go somewhere else? If the schools share equally, then I see this drop off as a problem, if not, then I guess it shouldn't matter to anyone else, at least as far as the money is concerned. Also, are they talking about money taken in, or are they talking about profits?

I'm all for the tournament being at The Arena, but to be fair, I'm not sure if we are comparing apples to apples.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Ive notcied a lot of people have asked how the money is split.

This should answer your questions.

"After a one-year hiatus, the 13th Region Basketball tournaments will return to The Arena in Corbin.

Arena Manager Connie Hunt announced Tuesday that an agreement has been reached with 2014 host Jackson County High School to hold the boys and girls tournaments at the facility.

Hunt said she is thankful to see the event return to The Arena, noting the additional seating and amenities and central location benefits the respective schools while the influx of teams and fans, benefits the city. While not as large as Rupp Arena or E.A. Diddle Arena which hosts the girl’s state tournament, playing at The Arena gives the players the opportunity to experience a game in that type of atmoshphere atmosphere, she added.

It was previously noted that each 13th Regional schools received $1,500 from the tournament, even if their respective team did not make the field. Participant schools get a percentage of profits based on the number of games played in the tournament.

The tournaments had been held at The Arena for three consecutive years in (2010-12) following an overwhelming 13-4 vote by the athletic directors at the member schools.

It was initially billed as a four-year deal. However, Kentucky High School Athletic Association Director Julian Tackett contends it was a year-to-year deal.

With that in mind, Tackett approved allowing Harlan County High School to host this year’s tournament at its new gymnasium.
In explaining his decision, Tackett noted that Harlan County High School's gymnasium has many of the features The Arena offers - ample parking, comfortable seating, etc. He said in the school's gym, there would be no need for "split sessions," a move often reviled and spurned by fans. With split sessions, the gym is usually cleared after each game to make room for more fans.

Hunt said in addition to hurting the Arena by electing to move the event, the timing of the decision made it even worse as it left an open date on the facility’s calendar.

“That’s the busy time when arenas have stuff going on,” Hunt said, noting she could have booked a lucrative show for The Arena if she had known the tournament was moving.

“We can't get yanked back and forth and lose out on events,” Hunt said.

Corbin will host the tournament in 2015 followed by Knox Central in 2016 and Harlan Independent in 2017.

http://thenewsjournal.net/details.cfm?id=7153#comments

[RunItUpTheGut]

Pretty much, each school, even the schools who never make it, get $1,500.00

Then, the participating schools get a percentage of the left over profits based on how many games they win. So, for example, the two teams in the championship would have got the most money this year.
So as for my original statement, schools such as Clay, Knox, Corbin, and even Harlan County themselves took a huge hit.

Win and keep playing, and the more money you get.

[unbiasedopinions]

Call it "city" people or not, but it is a backwoods mentality that keeps it in a place like Harlan.
inglepar

[HDE]

What kind of place is Harlan?
Also, what is an unbiased opinion? That's a new one for me.