[Hoot Gibson]

You do realize I meant the ones on this site that we are posting on, right? I'm sure there were some out there that thought it might have been a radical right winger, but I was referring to BGR. Like I said above, my first thought was muslim, or a Timothy McVeigh type.


Bold: How many radical liberals have ever killed a bunch of people?

Well, let's see, there was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot for starters.

[Granny Bear]

I wasn't able to follow this story very well because I was working. So I caught up on it today, and today is the first time I've seen the picture of the cowboy helping the guy who had suffered a traumatic amputation. I couldn't tell if the cowboy was holding a tourniquet or an artery in his hands. There was a blood "spray" on the cowboy's shirt, so I'm leaning toward the latter. But one thing was apparent to me; I believe this victim would have died without the heroic efforts of this stranger.

Then another thing popped into my head. I'm certain that neither the cowboy or the victim stopped to ask what the other's ethnicity, religious persuation or political afilliations were. This was a case of raw, pure, help...from one human being to another. It made me tear up a little. I know this will sound naive to a lot of you, but I STILL think there are a great number of people out there like the cowboy. Folks who care about helping people and willing to run headlong into a dangerous and unpredictable situation just to help another.

God bless the victims of this horrible tragedy, and their families.

God Bless America!!!
(and please be patient with us)

[TheRealVille]

I wasn't able to follow this story very well because I was working. So I caught up on it today, and today is the first time I've seen the picture of the cowboy helping the guy who had suffered a traumatic amputation. I couldn't tell if the cowboy was holding a tourniquet or an artery in his hands. There was a blood "spray" on the cowboy's shirt, so I'm leaning toward the latter. But one thing was apparent to me; I believe this victim would have died without the heroic efforts of this stranger.

Then another thing popped into my head. I'm certain that neither the cowboy or the victim stopped to ask what the other's ethnicity, religious persuation or political afilliations were. This was a case of raw, pure, help...from one human being to another. It made me tear up a little. I know this will sound naive to a lot of you, but I STILL think there are a great number of people out there like the cowboy. Folks who care about helping people and willing to run headlong into a dangerous and unpredictable situation just to help another.

God bless the victims of this horrible tragedy, and their families.

God Bless America!!!(and please be patient with us)

People like that guy in the cowboy hat were heros that saved a lot more lives, Granny. BTW, the guy he was holding the tourniquet for, is the one that identified the older brother to authorities.

[TheRealVille]

I, as one trained in the law, have always been in favor of profiling. All this political correctness is ridiculous. You can be sure that, when boarding an airplane, I am fully aware of the skin colors of those who are also boarding. I offer no apology for using common sense. I would suspect that most others do the same. Being cautious is not being a racist. It is common sense.

Let's just hope that this highly covered pursuit of two terrorists who, not surprisingly, are Muslims will serve to shake up our fellow citizens enough so that they observe a little more caution and a lot less political correctness.

I find myself being aware, also. I think we all do that after 9/11. I'd say there are many good people that look they same, with that religion, they same as other religions have radical sects, but it's just a natural reaction to what we remember about the ones that wreck the most havoc in our lives.

[TheRealVille]

Well, let's see, there was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot for starters.

Socialist aren't the same as liberals.

[TheRealVille]

People like that guy in the cowboy hat were heros that saved a lot more lives, Granny. BTW, the guy he was holding the tourniquet for, is the one that identified the older brother to authorities.

Maybe he identified both, as attested here.


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Meet Jeff Bauman, after losing both legs to the Boston Marathon bombings Jeff managed to identify both suspects for police.

Jeff is now recovering, and even got a visit from his favorite celebrity Bradley Cooper.

Jeff, you're a hero. We wish you a speedy recovery.

[Hoot Gibson]

Socialist aren't the same as liberals.

Socialists and communists are radical liberals. They occupy the same end of the political spectrum. I could have just as easily headed the list with radical liberals like Kermit Gosnell and the "kind" folk working at Planned Parenthood, who have butchered millions of innocent victims in this country alone. If you want to attach political labels to mass murderers and argue that terrorists are most likely right wing extremists or Muslims, then you are certifiably insane.

[Hoot Gibson]

I wasn't able to follow this story very well because I was working. So I caught up on it today, and today is the first time I've seen the picture of the cowboy helping the guy who had suffered a traumatic amputation. I couldn't tell if the cowboy was holding a tourniquet or an artery in his hands. There was a blood "spray" on the cowboy's shirt, so I'm leaning toward the latter. But one thing was apparent to me; I believe this victim would have died without the heroic efforts of this stranger.

Then another thing popped into my head. I'm certain that neither the cowboy or the victim stopped to ask what the other's ethnicity, religious persuation or political afilliations were. This was a case of raw, pure, help...from one human being to another. It made me tear up a little. I know this will sound naive to a lot of you, but I STILL think there are a great number of people out there like the cowboy. Folks who care about helping people and willing to run headlong into a dangerous and unpredictable situation just to help another.

God bless the victims of this horrible tragedy, and their families.

God Bless America!!!
(and please be patient with us)

Granny, I agree with you that heroism knows no political affiliation. However, the hard left wastes no time in applying political spin when terrorists strike. Many in the media were praying - if that word is applicable to atheists, that the terrorists would be right wing white men. They were very concerned about this incident derailing Obama's attempts to further undermine our Second Amendment rights, and even more importantly derail his amnesty program for illegal aliens. The media were voicing those concerns before the victims of the bombings had even been accounted for.

IMO, the incidence of terrorism is too high among Muslims to allow Islamic immigrants (or visitors) to enter this country. The risks of doing so are too high and the consequences of making a mistake are too great. It is time that our own federal government start fulfilling their most important constitutional duty - providing national security to American citizens. This bombing should never have happened because the Tsarnaev brothers should never been allowed entry into this country.

Vladimir Putin is right. All terrorists, both foreign and domestic, should be treated the same. They should all be condemned. I would wager that Putin has never described Islam as a great religion of peace.

[WideMiddle03]

I'm a democrat. Why don't you get back to the topic troll. Or, switch over to your non troll nick.

:biglmao: can't handle the FACTS

[TheRealVille]

Socialists and communists are radical liberals. They occupy the same end of the political spectrum. I could have just as easily headed the list with radical liberals like Kermit Gosnell and the "kind" folk working at Planned Parenthood, who have butchered millions of innocent victims in this country alone. If you want to attach political labels to mass murderers and argue that terrorists are most likely right wing extremists or Muslims, then you are certifiably insane.

In terrorist attacks in the US, who are the biggest percent of them. I don't remember a liberal ever going off and killing a bunch of people on our soil. You did notice that I inserted the word radical in my posts, right?

[RunItUpTheGut]

If anything, does this just further disprove gun control thoughts?

They made there own bombs, and you know the guns they had werent "legally" owned.

This is why we gotta keep it.

[Hoot Gibson]

In terrorist attacks in the US, who are the biggest percent of them. I don't remember a liberal ever going off and killing a bunch of people on our soil. You did notice that I inserted the word [B]radical in my posts, right?[/B]

The number of deaths by abortion dwarfs even the death toll of radical Muslims, and the overwhelming majority of abortion mill operators are radical liberals. You don't recall radical liberals going off and killing a bunch of people on our soil because you have a selective memory. Kermit Gosnell's trial is not even over yet and our liberal media has been doggedly determined not to cover his crimes. The victims in Boston are no more the victims of terrorism than the living, breathing, human beings that Dr. Gosnell butchered and flushed down his toilet. Evil has no respect for human life, which is the bond that joins radicals like the Gosnell and the Tsarnaev brothers with more successful purveyors of terror like Hitler and Stalin.

[Hoot Gibson]

If anything, does this just further disprove gun control thoughts?

They made there own bombs, and you know the guns they had werent "legally" owned.

This is why we gotta keep it.

I imagine that when (and if) the American government decides to confiscate the guns that have been legally purchased under the U.S. Constitution, residents in targeted areas will be ordered to stay indoors, just as they were in Watertown. Some day, if radical liberals have their way, gun owners will be more unpopular than smokers in this country, and only slightly less popular than terrorists.

[nky]

Hitler as a Fascist. He would have sent anyone away to be "re Educated" simpling by grouping him with Communist, Progressives, or even Socialist.

[Hoot Gibson]

Hitler as a Fascist. He would have sent anyone away to be "re Educated" simpling by grouping him with Communist, Progressives, or even Socialist.

Yes, you are correct, but Hitler was a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany. The Nazis had much in common with Stalin's Communist Party, but Hitler wanted to eliminate Russia as a threat so that he could focus his attention on western Europe. Hitler rose to power by demonizing a wealthy minority in his country (the Jews) and seizing their property, much the same way that the bolsheviks scapegoated the Russian aristocracy to stir up discontent among Russian peasants. Hitler was a left wing dictator and all left wing dictators employ extreme class envy to further their political agendas.

Like you, I was taught in school that Hitler was a right winger, but I long ago concluded that was not the case. Of course, the political spectrum is more of a circle than a line, and no matter which end you place a person, the ends are closer to each other than to the middle.

[SKINNYPIG]

I don't understand the argument over liberal/left, conservative/right and their connections to terrorist attacks. I like to categorize them as terrorists, unaffilliated with anything other than terrorism.

What concerns me is our public officials and media trying their best to be politically correct when discussing these two killers. It's obvious they are Muslims that hate our country and are willing to kill to prove it. There's not a bigger form of cowardice. We better deal with the thousands just like them walking the streets of our cities, and the ones standing in line to enter.

We better get serious about controlling our borders and being much more selective as to who we let visit. We can send plenty of suspicious Muslims (or whatever) packing while stoping them from coming. We can do that without allowing those that truly want to live the American dream from doing it. At the same time we need to be just a vigilant with those that are born and bred right here.

There's a lot of people around this world that (unjustifiably) want us dead, the sooner, as a country, we realize that the sooner we get a better grip.

[nky]

^ it's true. Islamic Fundamentalist terror is not about political ideologies. It's about religion. Their religion is the only true one and all others should die. Hard to "win" that argument

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't understand the argument over liberal/left, conservative/right and their connections to terrorist attacks. I like to categorize them as terrorists, unaffilliated with anything other than terrorism.

What concerns me is our public officials and media trying their best to be politically correct when discussing these two killers. It's obvious they are Muslims that hate our country and are willing to kill to prove it. There's not a bigger form of cowardice. We better deal with the thousands just like them walking the streets of our cities, and the ones standing in line to enter.

We better get serious about controlling our borders and being much more selective as to who we let visit. We can send plenty of suspicious Muslims (or whatever) packing while stoping them from coming. We can do that without allowing those that truly want to live the American dream from doing it. At the same time we need to be just a vigilant with those that are born and bred right here.

There's a lot of people around this world that (unjustifiably) want us dead, the sooner, as a country, we realize that the sooner we get a better grip.

This administration has actively promoted the idea that white male terrorists are one of the greatest threats to national security. I agree with you that the threat of terrorism is not a left/right problem but that is the way that Obama and his supporters are treating it. Acts of terror are usually committed with a political objective in mind. "Jihad" is a religious concept but it seeks changes that require the establishment of radical Islamic theocracies. I don't see religion-based terrorism as either right wing or left wing.

When convicted Muslim murderer Hasan Karim Akbar killed two Army officers and wounded 14 others at Fort Hood, the Obama administration refused to classify it as terrorism and decided that it was merely an incident of "work place violence." There were no Purple Hearts or other military honors for the victims of former Major Hasan. They were not considered casualties of war.

I don't know about you, but I am tired of my own government falsely portraying white American men as equivalent threats to national security as radical Muslim terrorists. The Obama administration seems to have its priorities misplaced when it comes to identifying the greatest national security threats to this country. Maybe a country $17 trillion in debt could find better ways to spend its borrowed money than on studies such as the one described below. The only time that liberals want to ignore the politics of terrorists is when the suspects are neither white nor Christian.

As for controlling our borders, I agree with you 100 percent. If a nation cannot control its own borders, there can be no security for any of us.

[INDENT]

New Study Highlights Threat From Far Right-Wing Groups in U.S.

A new study from a think tank connected to the West Point Military Academy highlights the threat of violent far-right movements in the United States, leading to the conclusion that, while diverse in in their causes, they are similar in their use of violence to achieve their aims.

West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center was founded in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, and has primarily focused its research on international terrorist threats. Titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right,” this new report instead looks as the risk that domestic groups pose to the U.S. Breaking down these groups into three categories — the Racist/White Supremacy Movement, the Anti-Federalist Movement, and the Christian Fundamentalist Movement — allows the study to examine the background ideologies and methods of each subset thoroughly, opposed to lumping them all together as most studies have.

[/INDENT]

[TheRealThing]

This administration has actively promoted the idea that white male terrorists are one of the greatest threats to national security. I agree with you that the threat of terrorism is not a left/right problem but that is the way that Obama and his supporters are treating it. Acts of terror are usually committed with a political objective in mind. "Jihad" is a religious concept but it seeks changes that require the establishment of radical Islamic theocracies. I don't see religion-based terrorism as either right wing or left wing.

When convicted Muslim murderer Hasan Karim Akbar killed two Army officers and wounded 14 others at Fort Hood, the Obama administration refused to classify it as terrorism and decided that it was merely an incident of "work place violence." There were no Purple Hearts or other military honors for the victims of former Major Hasan. They were not considered casualties of war.

I don't know about you, but I am tired of my own government falsely portraying white American men as equivalent threats to national security as radical Muslim terrorists. The Obama administration seems to have its priorities misplaced when it comes to identifying the greatest national security threats to this country. Maybe a country $17 trillion in debt could find better ways to spend its borrowed money than on studies such as the one described below. The only time that liberals want to ignore the politics of terrorists is when the suspects are neither white nor Christian.

As for controlling our borders, I agree with you 100 percent. If a nation cannot control its own borders, there can be no security for any of us.

[INDENT][/INDENT]

The left have already tipped their hand as to the rationale they will use to circle the wagons, and the logic, to explain how the bomb brothers were victimized by white folks. Thereby shifting the blame back to all of us. California Rep. Adam Schiff [D-CA28], has been on TV equivocating their actions at the Boston Marathon and subsequent violent rampage which, managed to shut down the entire town of Watertown, Boston for a week, as their reaction to feeling alienated by the American society in general. Such justifications from the left, fly in the face of what we already know to be true but, are none the less entirely expected.

California Democrat Adam Schiff, has volunteered his take on all of this; "I think we will learn that this incident is not tied to any terror organization or cause, and rather are the actions of two brothers who felt isolated." Obama is saying we need to learn why they did it. These are the guys running our country for crying out loud, they will not accept the concept of Jihad. I can understand it from the liberal media, and that includes the majority of the Fox News anchors but, if we don't get our heads wrapped around this and soon, we could see a wave of Jihad in the streets and public places of America. Boiled down it is as I mentioned only yesterday, liberals really believe it is just a matter of us reaching out to these guys with greater sincerity.

[TheRealThing]

Yes, you are correct, but Hitler was a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany. The Nazis had much in common with Stalin's Communist Party, but Hitler wanted to eliminate Russia as a threat so that he could focus his attention on western Europe. Hitler rose to power by demonizing a wealthy minority in his country (the Jews) and seizing their property, much the same way that the bolsheviks scapegoated the Russian aristocracy to stir up discontent among Russian peasants. Hitler was a left wing dictator and all left wing dictators employ extreme class envy to further their political agendas.

Like you, I was taught in school that Hitler was a right winger, but I long ago concluded that was not the case. Of course, the political spectrum is more of a circle than a line, and no matter which end you place a person, the ends are closer to each other than to the middle.

I know you and I have bounced this around between us a few times already and yet it bears mentioning again. There are eerie similarities afoot in this day and in this land. Just substitute the idea or term 'rich white republican' or 'Wall Street fat cat' for Jew, and run the Hitler rhetoric again. Sound familiar?

[Hoot Gibson]

I know you and I have bounced this around between us a few times already and yet it bears mentioning again. There are eerie similarities afoot in this day and in this land. Just substitute the idea or term 'rich white republican' or 'Wall Street fat cat' for Jew, and run the Hitler rhetoric again. Sound familiar?

Yes, political scoundrels have always used greed and class envy to win elections. "Redistribution of wealth" or, as Obama puts it, "spreading the wealth around" has given rise to many tyrants. Intelligent Americans worried about the looters gaining control of the public treasury more than 200 years ago. They were right to be concerned.

[SKINNYPIG]

This administration has actively promoted the idea that white male terrorists are one of the greatest threats to national security. I agree with you that the threat of terrorism is not a left/right problem but that is the way that Obama and his supporters are treating it. Acts of terror are usually committed with a political objective in mind. "Jihad" is a religious concept but it seeks changes that require the establishment of radical Islamic theocracies. I don't see religion-based terrorism as either right wing or left wing.

When convicted Muslim murderer Hasan Karim Akbar killed two Army officers and wounded 14 others at Fort Hood, the Obama administration refused to classify it as terrorism and decided that it was merely an incident of "work place violence." There were no Purple Hearts or other military honors for the victims of former Major Hasan. They were not considered casualties of war.

I don't know about you, but I am tired of my own government falsely portraying white American men as equivalent threats to national security as radical Muslim terrorists. The Obama administration seems to have its priorities misplaced when it comes to identifying the greatest national security threats to this country. Maybe a country $17 trillion in debt could find better ways to spend its borrowed money than on studies such as the one described below. The only time that liberals want to ignore the politics of terrorists is when the suspects are neither white nor Christian.

As for controlling our borders, I agree with you 100 percent. If a nation cannot control its own borders, there can be no security for any of us.

[INDENT][/INDENT]

I too am tired of it. I also realize that as long as this demagogue (president Obama) and his ilk are in charge it is not going to change. The reason it's not going to change is that these clowns refuse to stand in front of Americans and identify/admit our greatest threat, which I believe is Islamic, Muslim terrorists.

I know EVERY attempt cannot be foiled. I do know that between the FBI, Homeland Security, intelligence and other programs, (if allowed to profile) they can get rid of and stop many more of these cowards before they pull stunts like this.

Radical MUSLIMS with thoughts of jihad dancing in their heads are walking streets in every state. If we have to send a few peaceful ones out or stop a few peaceful ones from coming in to help prevent these cowardice attacks, then so be it.

[Hoot Gibson]

I too am tired of it. I also realize that as long as this demagogue (president Obama) and his ilk are in charge it is not going to change. The reason it's not going to change is that these clowns refuse to stand in front of Americans and identify/admit our greatest threat, which I believe is Islamic, Muslim terrorists.

I know EVERY attempt cannot be foiled. I do know that between the FBI, Homeland Security, intelligence and other programs, (if allowed to profile) they can get rid of and stop many more of these cowards before they pull stunts like this.

Radical MUSLIMS with thoughts of jihad dancing in their heads are walking streets in every state. If we have to send a few peaceful ones out or stop a few peaceful ones from coming in to help prevent these cowardice attacks, then so be it.

:Thumbs: The chances of peaceful incoming Muslims being radicalized in an American mosque are too great to knowingly allow any Muslims to immigrate to this country. There are plenty of peaceful, educated, skillful non-Muslims in this world who would gladly jump into the American melting pot if given the opportunity. Becoming an American citizen should not be something left to chance. This country needs to return to an immigration policy that discriminates in favor of people with a high chance of becoming productive, lawful American citizens. Chechen Muslims need not apply.

[TheRealVille]

I wonder how the "American citizen" aspect of this terrorist act will apply? How will this play out by law? Maybe HRV can comment on what can/should happen in this case. With no emotion, as we all have about this, just law.

[TheRealVille]

^It's sad that a "kid" that "had the world by the balls" could fall into this type of stuff, but he made his bed. He was given every opportunity by the US to have a great life.

[Hoot Gibson]

I wonder how the "American citizen" aspect of this terrorist act will apply? How will this play out by law? Maybe HRV can comment on what can/should happen in this case.

Yes, I would like to know how long the Obama administration can avoid reading an American citizen his Miranda rights, and if the delay might jeopardize the chances of obtaining a conviction with a death penalty. That decision seemed like a political stunt to me.

I understand the need for a temporary imminent threat exception to reading a suspect his rights, but once his brother was dead, his home had been searched, etc., why not read the guy his rights that he has probably heard dozens of times while watching TV anyway?

[TheRealVille]

Yes, I would like to know how long the Obama administration can avoid reading an American citizen his Miranda rights, and if the delay might jeopardize the chances of obtaining a conviction with a death penalty. That decision seemed like a political stunt to me.

I understand the need for a temporary imminent threat exception to reading a suspect his rights, but once his brother was dead, his home had been searched, etc., why not read the guy his rights that he has probably heard dozens of times while watching TV anyway?

From what I understand, they don't have to read those, to be able to use what he says in court against him.


Does your Obama bias have to show in every single post?

[TheRealVille]

^ You think not reading them, using a legal way of doing it, might be a way to get info that can be used in court against an American citizen, might be a smart move? The death penalty could still come up. It might be more useful for us to hear from an actual lawyer, not a right wing, Obama hating nut. Then again, I'm not sure HRV could be unbiased either, considering he isn't unbiased on law issues when speaking of abortion.

[Hoot Gibson]

From what I understand, they don't have to read those, to be able to use what he says in court against him.

I think that I shall wait on a legal opinion.

Does your Obama bias have to show in every single post?

Have you ever asked yourself the same question? If so, how did that voice in your head answer it?

My question was a serious one. What did we have to gain by not reading him his rights? Unless there was something to be gained, I don't understand handing the defendant's attorney an issue that might be used to waste the court's time and the taxpayers' dollars. If you know, please feel free to answer my question. If your response is simply that Obama would not try to exploit the situation for political gain, then my response is simply :biglmao:

[TheRealVille]

I think that I shall wait on a legal opinion.


Have you ever asked yourself the same question? If so, how did that voice in your head answer it?

My question was a serious one. What did we have to gain by not reading him his rights? Unless there was something to be gained, I don't understand handing the defendant's attorney an issue that might be used to waste the court's time and the taxpayers' dollars. If you know, please feel free to answer my question. If your response is simply that Obama would not try to exploit the situation for political gain, then my response is simply :biglmao:

Did you ever ask yourself that what might be gained would being able to use stuff against an American citizen, the same as any other terrorists?

Obama is done, he has nothing to gain. He already won his last term.