[E's Army]

I believe holding them back needs to be done before they start school or in preschool. It is beneficial to boys who mature late socially. It is often the difference in a boy being a leader rather than a follower.

[Spirit100]

First learned about this at a KBA tourney after watching my 12 year old play against 14 year olds with facial hair whose parents were proud of the fact their kid played for hs jv and the middle school team.

I'm proud my kid won't be driving a car until he's a sophomore vs. a freshman in hs. The majority of NKY families feel the same way. So we'll bring our 19 year old freshmen back home from college and have them play hs sports against the other "regions" of the state who promote 19 year old seniors and see what happens nicker:...

In the meantime enjoy the 12-18 month handicap. I wonder how many more titles NKY schools would have if we held....oh, so that's how it started! :Thumbs:

[HDE]

The way I see it, you're stealing a year of his life. Instead of graduating college and starting a career at 23, he'll be 24. Instead of working for 40 years and retiring at 63, he'll be 64. All for a year of high school glory? Or not? It's not worth it.

You're saying that extra year of retirement at 63 is better than a year of high school glory at 19? Yeah, that 63-year-old is going to have a whole lot more fun at the senior center than he would have had with another year playing sports and hanging out with the cheerleaders.

[ballboy]

99% not going to make it ot the pros, so education is more important than any sports. So if their not behind in school they should not be held back. No matter how much it helps them in sports because most of the time it doesnt help them in sports. So when you see a senior in sports playing thats held back they should score 25 a game or throw for 350 yards a game their 19 playing against 15 and 16 year old.

[bradc]

hold them back before 1st grade if you are going to. if you wait till they are 12 or 13 you have a wasted year of school since they just do the same thing again the next year. it is pretty foolish unless you are some sort of prodigy like lebron james or something

[riverdog]

IMO which is not worth much each child is different. My son is a 14yo freshmen that is 6'6 #230 one of the biggest kids in the high school, is a straight A kid. Holding him back would help with his skill set however what good would it do if he got bored in school by repeating a grade. So in his case I believe that is what red shirting is for, plus I would much rather him getting all the college trainers will have to offer rather than high school.

[Spirit100]

^ I disagree with you riverdog...your opinion means a lot nicker:

Good point on redshirting, good point on college trainers vs. hs, and best of success for your son. :Thumbs:

[Cardfan1]

Held my kids back. They love sports but they will now turn 19 before they graduate. I hope they will be more mature to go to college and study. If sports are there that's great, but maturity is the issue at hand.

It is well within the rules that will never change. not 19 before August 1st of their senior year. Get over it.

[Crazy Horse]

The very best decision that I ever made in my life was telling my father that I wanted held back. If I don't get held back, then I don't go to the high school I went. If I don't go to the high school that I did, then I don't have a full ride at UK currently in Civil Engineering...FULL RIDE!!!!!

I would have ended up at UPike on a Cross Country Scholarship, transfer here to UK and would have to pay then. I was also held back in 8th grade, easily my best decision. I am currently a Sophomore at UK, I am a RA in Blanding 3, I get $5 tickets to all UK games, and I have the security of knowing that for the next two years I won't pay UK anything...I have to be in favor of holding a child back.

[bradc]

Just hold em back until they are adults then let them go to school

[Warthog]

I agree with holding them back

[footballfever]

Just hold em back until they are adults then let them go to school

Why cant you just add to the conversation. Maybe you are a little immature and needed to be held back.
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. It's just a decision that is made in what a parent thinks is best for their child.
I think any student going to turn 18 after graduation should really consider holding back. Feb,March,April,May birthday should consider. Turning 18 before that has to just be gut feeling by parents on whats best for their child.

[bradc]

I did add to it captain, I done opposite got moved forward in school

[bradc]

How can another year of the same school work they just had be of benefit? Just start them in school a year later from the get go instead of doing it when they are 13 or so

[rojas]

You're saying that extra year of retirement at 63 is better than a year of high school glory at 19? Yeah, that 63-year-old is going to have a whole lot more fun at the senior center than he would have had with another year playing sports and hanging out with the cheerleaders.

Well in my case I was able to retire at 53. So yes, not staying back ended up being a good thing for me.

[Cardfan1]

I didn't read this "parenting" board when I was 27 or I would started my kid later cause the immense knowledge here. But the fact of the matter is parents don't realize that they are doing their child a disservice by starting their child early. But then it's too late cause they get both sides: hold them back will hurt them or don't hold them back hurts them. At that point they just try to find the right time. Sometimes that right time is when it is suggested for athletics.

[Spirit100]

After reading many posts on this subject I can see both advantages and disadvantages to both sides, however, I would never hold back my kids.

I can't say that I wouldn't "start later" in pre-K or K before elemenatary school. Not a fan of hold back, but would support "start later" which has been mentioned by a few :Thumbs:.

Regardless of where you stand on the subject I wish all of your kids well in or out of the classroom. Have a good weekend!

[The_Rock]

99% not going to make it ot the pros, so education is more important than any sports. So if their not behind in school they should not be held back. No matter how much it helps them in sports because most of the time it doesnt help them in sports. So when you see a senior in sports playing thats held back they should score 25 a game or throw for 350 yards a game their 19 playing against 15 and 16 year old.

Wrong again as usual ballboy, they are not playing against 15 and 16 year olds in Eastern Kentucky unless they are playing against a really weak team with no upper classmen. Most Jrs. and Srs. in high school in the Eastern part of the state are 18 and 19 years old. Most of your freshmen at Hazard and Perry Central turn 16 years old. That is the norm. If you dont want your rump to rot off sitting on the bench your entire high school career, you might want to consider staying back or send your kid to Wabaco Christian or Bible Baptist to play. Nobody is concerned about being a PRO. I think its being more concerned about getting some money athletically and academically to go to college. Those colleges dont care if you stayed back or not. Most college coaches like getting older guys anyway. I know if I was a recruiter for UK I'd much rather have a 20 year old Freshman as a Freshman turning 18. From ages 18 to 20 are freaking crazy in ways a kid can improve speed wise and strength wise.

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

I believe in holding kids back. We all are not able to just keep our kids outa school a year longer because we cant afford to pay the baby sitter. Personally I am a great example. 4.0 all through high school 26 ACT and had been 18 for about 2 weeks upon my high school graduation. First year of college I went wild, first semester 4 F and a D, next semester, 2 F, D, C... I had to take correspondence classes to be eligable for ball... You go back and ask my parents it was a huge mistake not staying back... But my mom had the mind set if grades were good then leave me alone. Further more, I still graduated and got a degree but in order to retire with full benefits I have to work until I am 55... My dad has to work till he is 65 to draw full retirement... So what is wrong with giving them a few extra years? The kids are in your home you know what they are doing! Gives them a bit more time to mature... and lastly, most of the time its a wash in the amount of time they must work to draw retirement.

[kai]

I have to agree the best answer is there is no right answer that applies to every child. As far as competition goes, I must profess ignorance of NKY athletics I don't travel there to play. However, through summer ball my sons play a lot in Eastern, Southern, Northeastern Kentucky as well as Lexington and Louisville, and the Knoxville TN area. We play our age a groups in the summer for the most part, so I pay attention to the rosters of the other teams and their grades, and the majority of kids have been held back at some point because they list the same grade as my sons.

I have this discussion with local parents very often. Some see benefits of holding back some think the idea is awful and is some type of sin. All these guys are friends. Read all the post you want, talk to teachers, other parents and consider any other source of information you want but it comes down to this, do what you believe is in the best interest of your child's future, as a parent that all that you can do.

[sstack]

I believe in holding kids back. We all are not able to just keep our kids outa school a year longer because we cant afford to pay the baby sitter. Personally I am a great example. 4.0 all through high school 26 ACT and had been 18 for about 2 weeks upon my high school graduation. First year of college I went wild, first semester 4 F and a D, next semester, 2 F, D, C... I had to take correspondence classes to be eligable for ball... You go back and ask my parents it was a huge mistake not staying back... But my mom had the mind set if grades were good then leave me alone. Further more, I still graduated and got a degree but in order to retire with full benefits I have to work until I am 55... My dad has to work till he is 65 to draw full retirement... So what is wrong with giving them a few extra years? The kids are in your home you know what they are doing! Gives them a bit more time to mature... and lastly, most of the time its a wash in the amount of time they must work to draw retirement.

4.0 all the way through HS and olny score a 26 on ACT, struggle badly in college, maybe this says something about the academics at JCHS?

[Observing]

I believe holding them back needs to be done before they start school or in preschool. It is beneficial to boys who mature late socially. It is often the difference in a boy being a leader rather than a follower.

these days I can't say there's many(any) 18 year old girls running
around out there either.

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

4.0 all the way through HS and olny score a 26 on ACT, struggle badly in college, maybe this says something about the academics at JCHS?

No this was more of the fact that I was not ready for college. The ACT was 26 and I had only taken it 1 time as a sophomore it was high enough for me. My school was paid for through sports. I was not mature enough to be away from home on my own. Which in many cases is the same for many 18 year olds. I still graduated on time in 4 years... And went on to have 2 more masters in addition to my bachelors. The academics are fine at JCHS... I would take the top from that school and compare to the top of any other.

[sstack]

No this was more of the fact that I was not ready for college. The ACT was 26 and I had only taken it 1 time as a sophomore it was high enough for me. My school was paid for through sports. I was not mature enough to be away from home on my own. Which in many cases is the same for many 18 year olds. I still graduated on time in 4 years... And went on to have 2 more masters in addition to my bachelors. The academics are fine at JCHS... I would take the top from that school and compare to the top of any other.

I noticed you said the academics are "fine". I will say the are not good. JCHS ranked 157 out of 221 schools in state testing. JCHS composite score was a 69.4, 100 points lower than the top schools. I would watch wanting to compare JCHS to the top 30-40 schools in the state! "Fine" might be good enough for you or your kids, but I would and do demand better!They might have a few good students at the top of the class,but I would not say they are a product of a good school system but from good families that push academics and hard work by the kids themselves.

[64SUR]

I believe holding them back needs to be done before they start school or in preschool. It is beneficial to boys who mature late socially. It is often the difference in a boy being a leader rather than a follower.

I agree with you E's Army i guess. but i like the medical redshirt rule also if they are such of a rule.i feel both sides an as a parent i want whats bests for my kid. thats what it boil down to.

[Jacket4Life]

I agree with you E's Army i guess. but i like the medical redshirt rule also if they are such of a rule.i feel both sides an as a parent i want whats bests for my kid. thats what it boil down to.

That is a great idea as long as the parents can swing that being done. I held my son back because he had to start school so young and had a September birthday. I would have loved to start him late but I work and the daycare he was at wouldn't keep him all day because he was school age. The rules may be different now because that was 13 years ago. My belief is that it doesn't hurt them to be held back for maturity. I would much rather send my son off to college at an older age. It can only help with all of the changes that come with going away to college anyway.

If you are going to hold your child back in the state of Kentucky it has to be done their 7th grade year if you don't want it to effect their eligibility in high school.