[lchsalumnus]

Then, why have the "All-A" then? It's special, right, the Sweet 16? One team from each region will make it there, so why must we give something to the small schools? Make them follow the same rules. By crowning an "All-A" champ, Kentucky is having a class system, a two-class system in fact.


So, I guess if you guys want to keep the no-class system, then I say drop the All-A in all sports. It's a mess anyways for scheduling. I know LC basketball had to drop a few games when they advanced in the tournament, so I'm sure Pikeville probably did the same, which screws up the scheduling for OTHER teams. Does the same thing for baseball/softball, screws up teams' schedules to "accommodate" the smaller schools.


Get rid of the All-A, keep the no-class system. :Thumbs:

[OhHereWeGo]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the All A an optional tournament for the smallest 125 schools in Kentucky? It isn't sponsored by the KHSAA. It isn't the Sweet 16, which is sponsored by KHSAA.

[shelbyvalley02]

Then, why have the "All-A" then? It's special, right, the Sweet 16? One team from each region will make it there, so why must we give something to the small schools? Make them follow the same rules. By crowning an "All-A" champ, Kentucky is having a class system, a two-class system in fact.


So, I guess if you guys want to keep the no-class system, then I say drop the All-A in all sports. It's a mess anyways for scheduling. I know LC basketball had to drop a few games when they advanced in the tournament, so I'm sure Pikeville probably did the same, which screws up the scheduling for OTHER teams. Does the same thing for baseball/softball, screws up teams' schedules to "accommodate" the smaller schools.


Get rid of the All-A, keep the no-class system. :Thumbs:

Really these days the All A is not base on class. Some of the School are not true single A school. Sweet Sixteen should always be a part of Kentucky basketball, and it’s an experience of a lifetime

[toussaints]

The All A is not a mandatory tournament for small schools. The All A Classic committee is not part of the KHSAA. The 125 smallest schools get invited, if one says no, they go to the next one until the enrollment reaches a certain level. It's a way for small schools to make some much needed money, get some good competitive mid-season tournament experience, and give schools that struggle making it out of their own district a chance at winning something statewide.

For example, Louisville Collegiate is back in the All A State tournament. They are in the same district as St. Xavier, Male and Manual. If they're lucky enough to make regionals, they have to beat Trinity, Eastern, Ballard, Jeffersontown, or Moore to win the region. I believe in miracles, but not those types.

The only way to fix future scheduling conflicts is by getting rid of regular season tournaments, which is an absurd idea

[lchsalumnus]

The All A is not a mandatory tournament for small schools. The All A Classic committee is not part of the KHSAA. The 125 smallest schools get invited, if one says no, they go to the next one until the enrollment reaches a certain level. It's a way for small schools to make some much needed money, get some good competitive mid-season tournament experience, and give schools that struggle making it out of their own district a chance at winning something statewide.

For example, Louisville Collegiate is back in the All A State tournament. They are in the same district as St. Xavier, Male and Manual. If they're lucky enough to make regionals, they have to beat Trinity, Eastern, Ballard, Jeffersontown, or Moore to win the region. I believe in miracles, but not those types.

The only way to fix future scheduling conflicts is by getting rid of regular season tournaments, which is an absurd idea

But, the Sweet 16 is great because of "miracles"? This is my point. The All-A may not be sanctioned, or sponsored, by the KHSAA, but it was created for the purpose of "making the little guys feel better". Either you have a No-Class system, or you have a class system. This is a legit 2-class structure, having the All-A.

It's time for Kentucky to wake up to modernization. The only reason Delaware has a no-class system is because they have less than 40 schools altogether, from what I researched. If KY went to a 3 class system, it won't water down anything. That is paranoia talking, many of you all are sucked in to this paranoia. The big schools want you to have this paranoia because they want to keep the power, and they do have the power with a No-Class system.

Besides, why does baseball/softball have to keep this same setup? The chances for a small school to get 5 guys on the court who can compete with the "big boys" is better than finding 8 INF/OF's and 3-4 solid pitchers for a small school.

[region]

The All "A" needs to change its name. It is the All "Most of "AAA"" and under.

Everything else needs to go to classes. KHSAA also need to eliminate sports.

Boys and girls sports -

Soccer
Basketball

Boys -
Football
Baseball

Girls -
Volleyball
Softball


The rest needs club status or outside sponsorship, as not ever school fields a team.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

The All "A" needs to change its name. It is the All "Most of "AAA"" and under.

Everything else needs to go to classes. KHSAA also need to eliminate sports.

Boys and girls sports -

Soccer
Basketball

Boys -
Football
Baseball

Girls -
Volleyball
Softball


The rest needs club status or outside sponsorship, as not ever school fields a team.

So you mean to tell me that kids who play these sports some of which only play these sports should be punished and not have the opportunity to play for an all out right state championship? This may be of the craziest posts I have ever seen on this site or any site for that matter.

[toussaints]

if Kentucky goes 2 or 3 classes, then you have to get rid of the Sweet 16. The KHSAA makes enough off of the Sweet 16 to comfortably cover other sports as well. 2 classes means double the rent, double the reimbursements. It doesn't always equate to double the fans, and it even though you'll have more sponsors, the amount they're giving is much lower because they're not fighting with other companies for a sponsorship spot. Kentucky can get away with doing one class, because of how many schools there are. The state's that do multiple classes with less schools barely make as much as the All A Classic.

[allenc4]

Fact is whoever wins the All-A isn't listed as a State Champion in the record book. One team is. That is what matters and that is the way it should be. If smaller schools want to have a tournament of smaller teams like the All-A, I have zero issue with that.

[region]

So you mean to tell me that kids who play these sports some of which only play these sports should be punished and not have the opportunity to play for an all out right state championship? This may be of the craziest posts I have ever seen on this site or any site for that matter.

What?

Basketball should stay the same as it is. All the other sports I listed should be classed.

All sports I did not list should be dropped and associations made where they can be, outside the KHSAA.

KHSAA sanctioned swimming, bowling, archery, bass fishing, wrestling, etc. is a joke. Most schools do not even field these sports and they are a drain on the high school and district themselves.

Build the core sports up, then add on as you can.

[Fatt Jones]

Spot on! If a team is invited to a tournament that is not sanctioned by the KHSAA and wants to play go for it. No different than when top teams are invited to the King Of Bluegrass. Just another competition that players and fans should enjoy.

[rebel24]

Class"A" is just a small school Tournament no different from the Toyota classic , or king of the blue grass . You just have to meat the requirements and you have a chance

[Rebelsfan2013]

It's all about the money now.

[Stlcardsfan]

If it isn't broken, then don't fix it. Doesn't seem broken to me. Echoing what is said before, it's all about the money and the Sweet 16 rakes it in, on top of it being somewhat mystique as being the sole tournament that decides who is atop Kentucky high school basketball for that season.

[Platinum & Gold]

The All A isn't any different than any other in season tournament because it isn't sanctioned by the KHSAA. The KHSAA tournaments at the end of the regular season, the in season tournament isn't sanctioned and that is why you have cancelling of games etc.

The All A classic isn't mandatory either to whomever posted that. For years in the 4th region Russellville chose not to play in it and would have won it about every year in the late 90's early 2000's. It is open to the smallest 125 schools, if one of those choose not to play then they go to 126, etc. I believe this year that there was 8 that chose not to play so they ended up going to the next eight smallest schools to play in it.

I say No to changing the state tournament and believe the All A format is a good middle of the season experience as well, but in reality it is no different than any other mid-season tournament it just happens to go on two weeks rather than one and is more publicisized.

[ballboy]

class A schools do not have to play in this if they do not want to back in the 90s when Russellville in the 4th region had some good teams they never played in it and they won the 4th regional tournament twice, The coach said it hurt them more than it help them because they wanted to play warren centrals and Bowling Green and other big schools not smaller schools, So if your a class A school you do not have to play in it If Im thinking right Riverside did nt play in it this year in the 14th region. I may be wrong on that but I dont know.

[E's Army]

So region you think the KHSAA should only sanction sports you like. Track and cross country have as many schools participating as volleyball and soccer. They also have more students playing. Bass fishing and archery may be stretching it but the same was thought of soccer and volleyball when the KHSAA first sanctioned those sports.

[BIG FAN #1]

Then, why have the "All-A" then? It's special, right, the Sweet 16? One team from each region will make it there, so why must we give something to the small schools? Make them follow the same rules. By crowning an "All-A" champ, Kentucky is having a class system, a two-class system in fact.


So, I guess if you guys want to keep the no-class system, then I say drop the All-A in all sports. It's a mess anyways for scheduling. I know LC basketball had to drop a few games when they advanced in the tournament, so I'm sure Pikeville probably did the same, which screws up the scheduling for OTHER teams. Does the same thing for baseball/softball, screws up teams' schedules to "accommodate" the smaller schools.


Get rid of the All-A, keep the no-class system. :Thumbs:

Are you mad because the dawgs couldnt win a tournament they shouldnt even be in?

[Curveball 24]

The Sweet Sixteen is really the greatest show on earth! The All A Classic is a great tournament. My school got to go 3 years in a row in high school. It was one of the greatest experience i had as a high school athlete!!!

[HDE]

You can have the best of both worlds with the All "A" Classic. Smaller schools have a shot at that and if they are really good they can compete for a trip to the Sweet Sixteen. No real problems there.

[tatertot99]

Are you mad because the dawgs couldnt win a tournament they shouldnt even be in?

If everyone is going to complain about some of the teams that were in the All-A, then by the same logic, do we have the right to complain that small schools are allowed in the regular state tournament? All I hear is "it gives small schools a chance to play on a bigger stage." That's the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Half the teams that are considered true "All-A" schools, like Pikeville and Paintsville, have just as good of a chance to go to the Sweet 16 this year than anyone in the region. So if you want the Sheldon Clark & Lawrence county types out of your precious "All-A" just so the Paintsville and Pikeville types can play on a bigger stage, you're being hypocritical. If you really want to see smaller schools have a chance let the Allen Central, Phelps, and Piarist type schools only play in it.

[Panther Thunder]

If everyone is going to complain about some of the teams that were in the All-A, then by the same logic, do we have the right to complain that small schools are allowed in the regular state tournament? All I hear is "it gives small schools a chance to play on a bigger stage." That's the biggest bunch of crap I've ever heard. Half the teams that are considered true "All-A" schools, like Pikeville and Paintsville, have just as good of a chance to go to the Sweet 16 this year than anyone in the region. So if you want the Sheldon Clark & Lawrence county types out of your precious "All-A" just so the Paintsville and Pikeville types can play on a bigger stage, you're being hypocritical. If you really want to see smaller schools have a chance let the Allen Central, Phelps, and Piarist type schools only play in it.

You do realize Allen Central is larger than Pikeville and a lot larger than Paintsville, correct?

[tatertot99]

You do realize Allen Central is larger than Pikeville and a lot larger than Paintsville, correct?

Half the argument is based talent-wise, though. If SC and LC weren't so talented this year I can guarantee you people wouldn't be complaining as much as they are now.

[Panther Thunder]

Half the argument is based talent-wise, though. If SC and LC weren't so talented this year I can guarantee you people wouldn't be complaining as much as they are now.

Well, obviously lol. But it at least holds as a logical argument through time. It would be impossible to restrict a tournament based on talent.

SC will probably not be a great baseball team this season, but I still am opposed to their participation in the All "A", but you are right, it will not be talked about nearly as much. However, that does not change the argument.

[tatertot99]

You do realize Allen Central is larger than Pikeville and a lot larger than Paintsville, correct?

Well, obviously lol. But it at least holds as a logical argument through time. It would be impossible to restrict a tournament based on talent.

SC will probably not be a great baseball team this season, but I still am opposed to their participation in the All "A", but you are right, it will not be talked about nearly as much. However, that does not change the argument.

I understand and respect where your opinion is coming from, but in all honesty it's not like Pikeville and Paintsville were helpless and couldn't compete against the "monster" schools. Lol. IMO, the winner of this region is up for grabs. It will definitely be an exciting one!

[Bob Seger]

Boy, it's really easy to tell who never played the game (at least in Kentucky anyways). They are the ones that get on here and clamour for class basketball. Any Kentucky schoolboy who has played the game, can tell you how sacred and special the "Sweet 16" is. It's been 38 years for me, and it's still one of the highlights of my lifetime.

[Observing]

But, the Sweet 16 is great because of "miracles"? This is my point. The All-A may not be sanctioned, or sponsored, by the KHSAA, but it was created for the purpose of "making the little guys feel better". Either you have a No-Class system, or you have a class system. This is a legit 2-class structure, having the All-A.

It's time for Kentucky to wake up to modernization. The only reason Delaware has a no-class system is because they have less than 40 schools altogether, from what I researched. If KY went to a 3 class system, it won't water down anything. That is paranoia talking, many of you all are sucked in to this paranoia. The big schools want you to have this paranoia because they want to keep the power, and they do have the power with a No-Class system.

Besides, why does baseball/softball have to keep this same setup? The chances for a small school to get 5 guys on the court who can compete with the "big boys" is better than finding 8 INF/OF's and 3-4 solid pitchers for a small school.

If you don't think going to a class system will water down anything, take a look at football. Granted 6 classes is more extreme than 3, but it's still oging to be drastically watered down. Hell, h.s. basketball is already a shell
of what it used to be in Ky. as it is, both as the game is played
and from a spectator interest standpoint too. Going to a class system
will damage it even further.

[Fatt Jones]

Boy, it's really easy to tell who never played the game (at least in Kentucky anyways). They are the ones that get on here and clamour for class basketball. Any Kentucky schoolboy who has played the game, can tell you how sacred and special the "Sweet 16" is. It's been 38 years for me, and it's still one of the highlights of my lifetime.

Hey Seger, it's time to turn the page. Kidding aside, I couldn't agree more. I remember 2 seasons ago I watched a Christian Co. team that nobody gave any chance, stun a seemingly unbeatable Eastern High school team from Louisville. Here is some food for thought....if you think basketball is unfair.... St. Xavier High school in Louisville has won 24 consecutive state swimming championships. Just sayin......

[BIG FAN #1]

I understand and respect where your opinion is coming from, but in all honesty it's not like Pikeville and Paintsville were helpless and couldn't compete against the "monster" schools. Lol. IMO, the winner of this region is up for grabs. It will definitely be an exciting one!

The thing that ticks me off is LC is usually pretty competitive in the 3A class in football but not as competitive in basketball so when basketball season rolls around their numbers are low.

[OffTheHook]

The only gripe I have is it being played at the EXPO Center!
On ANY given night. You couldn't have even filled Paintsville's Gym!
There is NO way these schools are making any more money than what they would if they would get to host it themselves.
The ONLY people that it TRUELY accommodates are those located in Pike Co. So what's new there?
There is no reason why, The All A can't be held in a different District each year. Plain and simple.

I HATE the EXPO!

To be honest with you. There is a GYM in EVERY District that could accommodate hosting the region every year also. BUT, Heaven forbid that anyone from Pike Co. would have to travel for a game. They already get HALF the field for the Region Tourney anyway...:why: