[toussaints]

A sports dynasty is a team that dominates their sport or league for multiple seasons or years. In many cases, whether a team has achieved a dynasty is debatable. The most widely-accepted sports dynasties are those with multiple championships over a limited period of time.

There is only 1 undisputed dynasty in mens college basketball, John Wooden's UCLA Bruins from 1964 to 1975, winning 10 titles in 12 seasons. Everyone else has some question marks next to it. So, what makes a college basketball dynasty and what other "dynasties" were left out? Here are a few popular disputed dynasties:

Cincinnati Bearcats (1959 to 1963): 5 Final Fours, 2 National Championships and 1 Runner Up in 5 year span

Duke Blue Devils (1986 to 1994): 7 Final Fours, 2 National Championships, 3 Runner Ups in 9 year span

Kentucky Wildcats (1948 to 1951): 3 National Championship in 4 years

Kentucky Wildcats (1996 to 1998): 3 straight National Championship appearances, 2 National Championships in 3 years

UNLV Runnin' Rebels (1987 to 1991): 3 Final Fours, 1 National Champion, 1 Runner Up in 5 year span

[honestjchsfan]

[honestjchsfan]

The UK Wildcats were 2 time defending NCAA Champ and 1948 Olympic gold medal winners and in 1950 the NCAA didn't invite them back to defend there titles???? Then in 1954 some the key players had TOO MANY, YES TOO MANY COLLEGE CREDITS and were barred from the tourny that year. Rupp won 4 NCAA title but he had 2 great teams that never got a chance to win him #5 and #6.

[Jarons]

Louisville (1980-1986) 4 Final Fours and 2 National Championships in a 6 year span.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Theres only been one dynasty.
And thats UK's entire history.
Winningest program of all time.

[toussaints]

does that include the Sutton and Gillespie eras?

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Yes, i look at those as learning experiences that catapolted us to great success.

[honestjchsfan]

Jerry Tarkanians thoughts on the UCLA dynasty were quote: "The only team with a higher payroll was the Lakers." Booster Sam Gilbert funneled more money to UCLA players than we can count. The NCAA didn't take action until 1981, by which point Wooden and his ten titles had been retired for six years. Even the UCLA title in 1995 was dirty, UCLA coach Jim Harrick was fired for cheating on a expense report and we all know what he done at Georgia. How many points does a 3-point field goal account for in a Basketball Game?"

[honestjchsfan]

(UNLV Runnin' Rebels (1987 to 1991): 3 Final Fours, 1 National Champion, 1 Runner Up in 5 year span) HAD some great teams there 45-game winning streak ended with Duke's upset in the Final Four. The Las Vegas Review-Journal featured a photo on the front page after the game with three UNLV players in a hot tub with a man called Richie "The Fixer" Perry.

[honestjchsfan]

The UK Wildcats were 2 time defending NCAA Champ and 1948 Olympic gold medal winners and in 1950 the NCAA didn't invite them back to defend there titles???? Then in 1954 some the key players had TOO MANY, YES TOO MANY COLLEGE CREDITS and were barred from the tourny that year. Rupp won 4 NCAA title but he had 2 great teams that never got a chance to win him #5 and #6.

LaSalle won the title in 1954, UK beat them by 13 in the UKIT that year.

[honestjchsfan]

Theres only been one dynasty.
And thats UK's entire history.
Winningest program of all time.

You are 100% right Mr. Gut! If the NCAA was not biased against UK, the Wildcats could very well have 12 or more titles. The 50' and 54' season are just two examples, no way they were winning in 66,' the NCAA couldn't have another all-white team win it, throw in the 1970 season when UK got robbed in Columbus, Ohio. The 1986 UK was thrown in the same Bracket and forced to Beat Alabama and LSU a 4th time each to reach the final four, and LSU upset the Cats to go to the final Four. I still don't think they have made #1 Seed do the same since. Even in 2011 UK had beat UF 2 out of 3 times and twice in a week but the NCAA rewards UF with a #2 seed and UK gets #4, the Cats have to beat #1 overall seed Ohio St, UNC and UConn to even reach the finals! IMO if UK had been a #2 seed they breeze to the title game and after a game under there belts in the dome they would have beat Uconn in the title game all WITHOUT ENES KANTER who would have been allowed to play at any other program in the USA. I can name a bunch other Calls that went against UK, like the foul called on Mashburn in the Final Four vs Michigan and the "Flawed Five"! Yep the "FLAWED FIVE",, were was the NCAA investgators on that one??? Funny how they were on Kanter like white on rice on a paper plate on glass of milk in the middle of a snow storm but the "flawed five" , UCLA :dontthink PIGGiE and Maggette and Duke gets a pass.

[toussaints]

(UNLV Runnin' Rebels (1987 to 1991): 3 Final Fours, 1 National Champion, 1 Runner Up in 5 year span) HAD some great teams there 45-game winning streak ended with Duke's upset in the Final Four. The Las Vegas Review-Journal featured a photo on the front page after the game with three UNLV players in a hot tub with a man called Richie "The Fixer" Perry.

That picture led to UNLV firing Tarkanian a year later.

Also, UK had nobody, but themselves to blame for being caught. What's the NCAA going to do when there was clear, physical evidence of UK breaking serious rules? Next time, pay the players in a parking garage in NKY or Frankfort.

[Real Badman]

Rupp also won the Helms Titles in 33 and 54

[honestjchsfan]

That picture led to UNLV firing Tarkanian a year later.

Also, UK had nobody, but themselves to blame for being caught. What's the NCAA going to do when there was clear, physical evidence of UK breaking serious rules? Next time, pay the players in a parking garage in NKY or Frankfort.

UK was put on probation and Eddie Sutton resigned UK has never got a PASS with the NCAA like UCLA or DUKE has. Maggette admitted he too money from Piggie, so why wasn't Duke's runner-up finish vacated? NNC St was on probation is 73' for recruiting violations, why did UCLA and gilbert get a pass?

[toussaints]

^ NCAA money and reputation, like always. i dont know why, they should have, but you know as well as I do that UK had no wiggle room out of their problems. It was as blatant as SMU football, only difference was UK wasn't caught twice in 3 years.

my guess is this: UCLA and Duke said they did something wrong, Kentucky was caught before they could say anything.

[Removed1]

Indiana from 1972-1981 final four 1972-1973 team lost to ucla; 1974-1975 team undefeated until uk upset them in mideast final to go to final four; 1975-1976 last undefeated ncaa champion; 1979 nit champion; 1980 lost in the sweet 16; and 1981 won ncaa - you have to give the devil his due - go big blue

[toussaints]

so, what are everyone's thoughts on the Flab 5 from Michigan?

[Jarons]

You are 100% right Mr. Gut! If the NCAA was not biased against UK, the Wildcats could very well have 12 or more titles. The 50' and 54' season are just two examples, no way they were winning in 66,' the NCAA couldn't have another all-white team win it, throw in the 1970 season when UK got robbed in Columbus, Ohio. The 1986 UK was thrown in the same Bracket and forced to Beat Alabama and LSU a 4th time each to reach the final four, and LSU upset the Cats to go to the final Four. I still don't think they have made #1 Seed do the same since. Even in 2011 UK had beat UF 2 out of 3 times and twice in a week but the NCAA rewards UF with a #2 seed and UK gets #4, the Cats have to beat #1 overall seed Ohio St, UNC and UConn to even reach the finals! IMO if UK had been a #2 seed they breeze to the title game and after a game under there belts in the dome they would have beat Uconn in the title game all WITHOUT ENES KANTER who would have been allowed to play at any other program in the USA. I can name a bunch other Calls that went against UK, like the foul called on Mashburn in the Final Four vs Michigan and the "Flawed Five"! Yep the "FLAWED FIVE",, were was the NCAA investgators on that one??? Funny how they were on Kanter like white on rice on a paper plate on glass of milk in the middle of a snow storm but the "flawed five" , UCLA :dontthink PIGGiE and Maggette and Duke gets a pass.

I have been a UK fan almost all my life. The UK fan base in the most paranoid fan base in all of sports.

[RunItUpTheGut]

so, what are everyone's thoughts on the Flab 5 from Michigan?

One runner up is all they had.
And 3 of them only played 2 years at Michigan.

Far from a dynasty.

[McCameraMan]

so, what are everyone's thoughts on the Flab 5 from Michigan?

I like that team. But they never finished the job. I kinda wish they would have though

[honestjchsfan]

so, what are everyone's thoughts on the Flab 5 from Michigan?

Heck they never even won a Big-10 title.

[honestjchsfan]

^ NCAA money and reputation, like always. i dont know why, they should have, but you know as well as I do that UK had no wiggle room out of their problems. It was as blatant as SMU football, only difference was UK wasn't caught twice in 3 years.

my guess is this: UCLA and Duke said they did something wrong, Kentucky was caught before they could say anything.

To this day Dwane Casey insists that he didn't send any money. He was later cleared by the NCAA and won a defamation suit against Emery Air Freight shortly after the mess. It was described as a "healthy" sum. The facts of the case are clear, Casey's finger prints were never found on the package and it was proven that he was not in Lexington the day it was mailed. I never did buy the Emery Air employs claim that the envelope just fell open, even if that is the case, I don't think the $1k would have made it the Boss. Common sense will tell you that the money was clearly a plant and emery Air Freight payed the price for it, rumored to have been $5 million.

[Patch]

UK won titles in 48,49,51 and 58 and had the undefeated season in that span that they did not play in the post season. Pretty dominant run there.

[honestjchsfan]

UK won titles in 48,49,51 and 58 and had the undefeated season in that span that they did not play in the post season. Pretty dominant run there.

Utah won the 1944 NCAA crown after the Utes were eliminated in the opening round of the NIT by Kentucky (46-38).
Plus the won the NIT in 1946

[Patch]

Utah won the 1944 NCAA crown after the Utes were eliminated in the opening round of the NIT by Kentucky (46-38).
Plus the won the NIT in 1946

The NIT was a big deal back then, and for many years after that when the NCAA tournament had fewer teams in it and the NIT was able to get quite a few good teams as well. I recall UK winning the NIT in the 70's under Hall and then not long after that they won the NCAA title.

[RunItUpTheGut]

What years or years was it that Rupp refused to play in the tourney and we went on to win the NIT?
We could have and should have been national champs that year.

[honestjchsfan]

What years or years was it that Rupp refused to play in the tourney and we went on to win the NIT?
We could have and should have been national champs that year.

Rupp won his only NIT title in 1946. In 1949 Kentucky also participated in the NIT tournament but was upset in the quarterfinals by a underdog Loyola of Illinois. This was the "Point Shaving" game. Rupp was cheated out of his place in histroy, he could have been the first coach to win the NIT and NCAA title in the same year, probably would have been invited in the 1950 NCAA tourney, and had a good shot to win it, PLUS the 1954 UK team would have been able in play in 53' perhaps winning 2 more titles. Rupp was pretty much screwed out of 3 or 4 titles , then he had bad luck, like the flu bug before the 66' title game and he lost Mike Casey for the season, which probably cost him the 1970' title. RUPP was a better coach than John Wooden, you can take that to the bank! Rupps guard around offensive system was light years ahead of anything that Woodon was doing. BTW Rupp was 3-0 all-time vs Wooden, and would have probably won the title in 1974 had UK not forced him to retire.

[Jarons]

Rupp won his only NIT title in 1946. In 1949 Kentucky also participated in the NIT tournament but was upset in the quarterfinals by a underdog Loyola of Illinois. This was the "Point Shaving" game. Rupp was cheated out of his place in histroy, he could have been the first coach to win the NIT and NCAA title in the same year, probably would have been invited in the 1950 NCAA tourney, and had a good shot to win it, PLUS the 1954 UK team would have been able in play in 53' perhaps winning 2 more titles. Rupp was pretty much screwed out of 3 or 4 titles , then he had bad luck, like the flu bug before the 66' title game and he lost Mike Casey for the season, which probably cost him the 1970' title. RUPP was a better coach than John Wooden, you can take that to the bank! Rupps guard around offensive system was light years ahead of anything that Woodon was doing. BTW Rupp was 3-0 all-time vs Wooden, and would have probably won the title in 1974 had UK not forced him to retire.

So your saying that the NCAA has vendetta against UK. Because of the NCAA, your saying that Rupp would have 42 titles, Hall would have 13 titles, Sutton would have won 4 or 5. You get my point. Please take off the blue glasses. The NCAA does not have a vendetta against UK. When UK loses, its because the other team played a better game. It happens, stop with the if's and buts.

UK lost to UCLA in 1975. Because of NCAA conspiracy, UK did not make the final 4 in 1974.

[honestjchsfan]

So your saying that the NCAA has vendetta against UK. Because of the NCAA, your saying that Rupp would have 42 titles, Hall would have 13 titles, Sutton would have won 4 or 5. You get my point. Please take off the blue glasses. The NCAA does not have a vendetta against UK. When UK loses, its because the other team played a better game. It happens, stop with the if's and buts.

UK lost to UCLA in 1975. Because of NCAA conspiracy, UK did not make the final 4 in 1974.

Jarons I think you didn't read my post very well! I made a typo, I meant 1975. Anyway, when I stated Rupp was cheated out of his place in Histroy, I meant by his players because of the point shaving scandle. He could have been the first coach to win the NIT and NCAA tourney during the same season. Then in 1950, the NCAA didn't invite UK to the tourney, because of suspicion over the NIT loss in 49'. Plus he lost the 1953 season because of the point shaving scandle, he would of had Hall of Fame guard Frank Ramsey, Hall of Fame center Cliff Hagan. So in 1954 Rupp said. "They'll be no point shaving this year," and his team was 25-0 and won by 27.2 points per game. The NCAA declared Ramsey, Hagan and Tsioropoulos ineligible to play in the NCAA tournament because they had graduated before the start of NCAA tournament play. Its been clearly document that players from other schools were allowed to play after graduation. The stuff that you wrote on here is just stupid, I never said anything about 42 titles. I may have blue glasses on but atleast I can read!

[toussaints]

^ you missed some of the sarcasm in Jarons post, what he was trying to say is there are tons of UK fans that believe the NCAA kept them from winning several more titles. Im sure UK has valid arguments, but every team can find an excuse for not winning the national championship.

The NIT used to be a big deal, but teams went to the NIT because they felt like they had a better shot at winning that than the NCAA and at the time, the NCAA didn't reimburse schools for playing in the tournament. The rest weren't good enough to play in the NCAA.