[TheSkipper]

How would you rank the 16th region at this point in the season? Hottest teams? Best players. Thoughts and predictions?

[tomcatfan722000]

Fleming,Russell,Ashland,Boyd

[FBALL]

1 Fleming
2 Russell
3 Ashland Blazer

4 Morgan
5 Boyd
6 East Carter
7 Lewis County
8 Rowan County
9 Elliott County
10 Fairview
11 Raceland
12 Bath County
13 Greenup County
14 West Carter
15 Menifee County


16 Rose Hill

[FBALL]

Best players

Skaggs - Russell
Steward Fleming County
Burns - Fleming County
Hunt - Boyd County
Brown - West Carter

[TheSkipper]

1. Fleming
2. Russell
3. Ashland, Morgan, Boyd

Best players: Darrian Burnes (Fleming) Kyle Skaggs (Russell) Jordan Perry (Morgan)

[HD28]

1 Fleming
2 Russell
3 Ashland Blazer

4 Morgan
5 Boyd
6 East Carter
7 Lewis County
8 Rowan County
9 Elliott County
10 Fairview
11 Raceland
12 Bath County
13 Greenup County
14 West Carter
15 Menifee County


16 Rose Hill

Does beating teams have anything to do with rankings? Lewis just beat East. Rowan beat Lewis.

[RoyTheBoy]

Fleming County (7 -0 -0) (3 -0 -0) (1 -0 -0)

Russell (7 -1 -0) (6 -1 -0) (2 -0 -0)

Ashland Blazer (6 -0 -0) (3 -0 -0) (1 -0 -0)

Morgan County (5 -2 -0) (4 -1 -0) (2 -0 -0)

Bath County (5 -3 -0) (2 -0 -0) (1 -0 -0)

Lewis County (4 -2 -0) (3 -2 -0) (1 -0 -0)

Fairview (4 -2 -0) (3 -2 -0) (1 -0 -0)

East Carter (4 -2 -0) (2 -2 -0) (1 -0 -0)

Rowan County (3 -1 -0) (3 -1 -0) (1 -1 -0)

Boyd County (3 -3 -0) (2 -2 -0) (1 -1 -0)

Elliott County (2 -5 -0) (1 -3 -0) (0 -2 -0)

Greenup County (1 -7 -0) (1 -4 -0) (0 -2 -0)

Raceland (0 -4 -0) (0 -4 -0) (0 -1 -0)

West Carter (0 -5 -0) (0 -4 -0) (0 -1 -0)

Menifee County (0 -6 -0) (0 -4 -0) (0 -2 -0)

Rose Hill Christian. (0 -8 -0) (0 -3 -0) (0 -2 -0)

This is strait from KHSAA. The rankings are based off season wins and wins inside the region. They look pretty fair to me, based on region win/loss records

[HD28]

KHSAA makes no credence to strength of schedule.

Rose Hill could play Piarist 30 times and have a great record.

[FBALL]

Does beating teams have anything to do with rankings? Lewis just beat East. Rowan beat Lewis.

Rowan beat Lewis. East choked up a big lead against Lewis. I think East is better.

[HD28]

Results be damned huh? Just going with your gut? Lol.

And you think East is better than Rowan.....why?

[FBALL]

Because its my opinion. Don't like it. Make your own rankings.

[Brother Cecil]

Fleming and Russell are both off to great starts. How much size do they have? Peace be among us. Brother Cecil.

[FBALL]

Not alot of size for either Fleming or Russell.

[HD28]

Because its my opinion. Don't like it. Make your own rankings.

Lmao. Fair enough. Btw, do you work for the BCS too?

[FBALL]

Nope.

[Fred Sanford]

I thought Russell had a couple 6'5 kids and some decent sized guards.

[FBALL]

Skaggs 6'2"
Porter 6'0"
Hayse 5'7"

Evans 6'5
McGuire 6'5
Estep 6'3"
Lane 5'10
Campbell 6'0"
Mullins 5'8"
Kennedy 5'9"

Those are all guesses.

[Truth]

You can't rate teams by their records. For example, Ashland is undefeated but the teams they have played have a combined record of 12 wins and 27 losses. Russell's opponents have won 25 and lost 26 whereas Fleming County's opponents, not counting Russell which is 7-1, are 15 wins and 20 losses (Russell is 7-1). All seem to be doing well against overall lesser opponents.

[LCFAN12]

Ashland will be team to beat at tournament time.

[Leaping Lee]

You can't rate teams by their records. For example, Ashland is undefeated but the teams they have played have a combined record of 12 wins and 27 losses. Russell's opponents have won 25 and lost 26 whereas Fleming County's opponents, not counting Russell which is 7-1, are 15 wins and 20 losses (Russell is 7-1). All seem to be doing well against overall lesser opponents.

While I agree with he general premise of your post I think you can rank these teams based on result inside he region. Ashland has wins over Lewis, Boyd, and a bad Greenup team. Russell has wins over Boyd, Raceland, Fairview, Morgan, and I believe East. Given that who would you rank ahead of Ashland or Russell inside region, outside of Fleming of course?

[Patch]

Fleming not real big but smart team, athletic and takes good shots. Very good guard play which is always important when districts and regionals rolls around. Ashland has a very good group of players too, not one "big time" guy, but a good group that knows their roles and plays team ball, and Skaggs gives Russell a chance to win on just about any given night. I have got to see alot of the teams in the region play early in, these are the three that have impressed me the most. Oh, Boyd looks much improved to me, nice win over Shelby the other night for them. I don't think they can win the region but that program apprears to be in good hands and headed in the right direction.

[Truth]

While I agree with he general premise of your post I think you can rank these teams based on result inside he region. Ashland has wins over Lewis, Boyd, and a bad Greenup team. Russell has wins over Boyd, Raceland, Fairview, Morgan, and I believe East. Given that who would you rank ahead of Ashland or Russell inside region, outside of Fleming of course?

Inside the region, no one. And, you are quite correct. The thread deals solely with the 16th Region. I tend to look down the line to when the region representative goes to one of the major venues or to Rupp Arena. In that case, the outlook isn't very good for any of the three. I assume you would agree that, to compete, a school needs to schedule strong opponents. A loss against a good team is better in the long run than a win over a weak team in your own region.

There appear to be a couple of decent teams in the Ashland tournament- NCC for sure and maybe Henderson County or West Jessamine. Hopefully, Ashland and Russell will play them somewhere along the line. It would be good for both of them.

[FBALL]

Russell gets West Jessamine as their opener in the AIT.

Before that they go to Holmes for the Stop-DWI classic. They open there with Scott and then get Holmes or Harrison County.

[Brother Cecil]

Not alot of size for either Fleming or Russell.

Both are off to a great start but in the tourney when it really counts it's hard to make the big show without at least some size. Peace be among us. Brother Cecil.

[Leaping Lee]

Inside the region, no one. And, you are quite correct. The thread deals solely with the 16th Region. I tend to look down the line to when the region representative goes to one of the major venues or to Rupp Arena. In that case, the outlook isn't very good for any of the three. I assume you would agree that, to compete, a school needs to schedule strong opponents. A loss against a good team is better in the long run than a win over a weak team in your own region.

There appear to be a couple of decent teams in the Ashland tournament- NCC for sure and maybe Henderson County or West Jessamine. Hopefully, Ashland and Russell will play them somewhere along the line. It would be good for both of them.

How a team does at the state tournament is very dependent on their draw.

[Truth]

How a team does at the state tournament is very dependent on their draw.

I think that, in most years, the state tournament has three or four )at best) good teams and the rest are the survivors of weak regions. For the good teams, the draw is vitally important. If they can draw weak teams for the first two rounds, as often happens, they are well rested for the semi-finals. Also, playing on the first day means that you have that extra day of rest as well as playing earlier on Friday and Saturday morning.

Still, there are some regions, like the 6th, the 7th, and the 11th, in which the regional tournament is often much tougher than the first two, and maybe three, rounds of the state tournament.

I agree that draw is important. However, in the end, it only matters to a very few regions. Usually, the rest are there just to fill out the field and enjoy the sights.

[Leaping Lee]

I think that, in most years, the state tournament has three or four )at best) good teams and the rest are the survivors of weak regions. For the good teams, the draw is vitally important. If they can draw weak teams for the first two rounds, as often happens, they are well rested for the semi-finals. Also, playing on the first day means that you have that extra day of rest as well as playing earlier on Friday and Saturday morning.

Still, there are some regions, like the 6th, the 7th, and the 11th, in which the regional tournament is often much tougher than the first two, and maybe three, rounds of the state tournament.

I agree that draw is important. However, in the end, it only matters to a very few regions. Usually, the rest are there just to fill out the field and enjoy the sights.

I'm not sure I totally agree. The draw has been very important to Rowan Co 2 years.

[Truth]

I'm not sure I totally agree. The draw has been very important to Rowan Co 2 years.

Could be. Rowan County certainly overachieved two years ago and almost won the tournament. Cinderella teams do that from time to time and that makes the tournament interesting. Last year, they lost after an easy first round win which was about as expected by unbiased observers.

In modern history the 16th Region has not been seen as a strong region. Every now and then (Rose Hill in 2003, Elliott County a couple of times, and Rowan County in 2011), it sends a good team. However, the region usually loses early.

If there is a good team in the region, it should schedule accordingly. Ashland did play two 9th Region schools last week but both are weak this year. They would have been far better served to have scheduled CovCath and NCC or a Cincinnati school. Fleming County did go to Paducah to play Tilghman but Tilghman is weak. Both Ashland and Russell beat one of the weaker Clark County teams in the last 50 years. Those wins may look good to some but they are of little consequence.

[FBALL]

Russell is going to Covington to play in a tournament at Holmes. That should be a step up in competition.

[Leaping Lee]

Could be. Rowan County certainly overachieved two years ago and almost won the tournament. Cinderella teams do that from time to time and that makes the tournament interesting. Last year, they lost after an easy first round win which was about as expected by unbiased observers.

In modern history the 16th Region has not been seen as a strong region. Every now and then (Rose Hill in 2003, Elliott County a couple of times, and Rowan County in 2011), it sends a good team. However, the region usually loses early.

If there is a good team in the region, it should schedule accordingly. Ashland did play two 9th Region schools last week but both are weak this year. They would have been far better served to have scheduled CovCath and NCC or a Cincinnati school. Fleming County did go to Paducah to play Tilghman but Tilghman is weak. Both Ashland and Russell beat one of the weaker Clark County teams in the last 50 years. Those wins may look good to some but they are of little consequence.

Outside of the 6th, 7th, and the Lexington region the 16th has had about as much success as any other region at the state tournament. Ashland in 1996, Elliott 4 years ago and Rowan two years ago all reached Saturday. Not to shabby for a traditionally week region.

As for scheduling, I'm 100% in agreement about playing a tough schedule. You mention Clark Co. and it's a fact that this is a rebuiling year for them but if I'm not mistaken Ashland plays them every year. I don't think they scheduled them knowing they would be down this year.

If you look at Ashland and Flemings schedule for the rest of the year I don't think anyone would consider them soft. Fleming plays Johnson Central, Mason Co., Harlan, Henry Clay, Lafayette and potentially Montgomery Co.
Ashland's remaining schedule includes, Johnson Central, Mason, Ironton, Tug Vally WV, Clay Co, and potentially Henderson Co, NCC, West Jessamine depending on how the AIT unfolds.