[rojas]

I hate the running clock in Kentucky high school basketball. It robs the kids that work their tail off during practice for months from playing time. It's not like football where kids are at risk of being injured by bigger stronger kids. Plus in basketball any coach worth his salt will have subbed way down his bench by the time the running clock takes effect. Julian Tackett, this is one of the worst decisions you have made as commissioner.

[Ike Cooter]

I disagree. I think a 35 point running clock is a good idea. No one doesn't want to be there any longer than they have to including parents, coaches, players, officials or anyone else in the gym. A good coach won't get to a running clock and play those kids who have busted their hump all week in practice. Most will sub long before they hit 35 points. However in some cases even after a team has subbed the jv still pushes past 35 to the running clock. Regardless I feel it has good intentions and works good for most people.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I hate the running clock in Kentucky high school basketball. It robs the kids that work their tail off during practice for months from playing time. It's not like football where kids are at risk of being injured by bigger stronger kids. Plus in basketball any coach worth his salt will have subbed way down his bench by the time the running clock takes effect. Julian Tackett, this is one of the worst decisions you have made as commissioner.

I agree. Such a rule is just another concession to the coming "Nanny State". If you don't want to get beaten badly, don't schedule the game, Those who work hard in practice and rarely play deserve their chance to score a few points. Why should they be punished for the sake of "self esteem"?

Actually, I would think a running clock would be more embarrassing that playing a real game to the end. Only poor lessons are learned by the welfare of a running clock. We have too many examples of this crap as it is now.

What is wrong with kids learning that they can't compete? It should be a good lesson to learn early in life. They can get a tuba and play in the band where they can possibly compete.

[rojas]

I played sports (football, baseball, track) all through high school and was on the losing end of my fair share of one-sided ball games. Not once do I remember wishing the game would be shortened. The kids want to keep playing no matter what the score is.

[Stardust]

I hate the running clock in Kentucky high school basketball. It robs the kids that work their tail off during practice for months from playing time. It's not like football where kids are at risk of being injured by bigger stronger kids. Plus in basketball any coach worth his salt will have subbed way down his bench by the time the running clock takes effect. Julian Tackett, this is one of the worst decisions you have made as commissioner.

Rojas, I respect you more than anyone else on this site when it comes to HS basketball! But you know, Julian Tackett did not make this decision. Everybody knows that a pet peeve of mine is the comments giving the KHSAA, NCAA and Professional Sports leagues (NBA, NFL, MLB, etc...) credit for the decisions made. There is no such thing as a leader in any of these organizations making a single decision or ruling. These guys all work for the schools or the owners of the teams, thus, they have zero power.

For this ruling, my schools AD was on the committee that approved this new rule. This was passed because of the teams who will play their best players deep into games and the "perceived" running up the score. I personally think it is BS. Especially during the beginning of the season, you need your best players on the court as much as possible in order to build that chemistry! As you all have said, it takes quality time away from the players deep on the bench as well.

It's the AD's idea that this will protect the teams who are getting blown out! I contend back to the AD's then, Don't approve the schedule that even puts these teams on your schedule. Hey, a blow out is a blow out. But there are many games on the schedule that WILL be blowouts before tip off! If you don't want to see lopsided scores, then don't approve the games! For the teams on the other side, they know what is going to happen when the schedule these games. That coach who took the game knew what he was up against, thus he had a reason to schedule it in the first place. If the coaches had the choice to vote for this, they would have nixed it!

For the record, our AD voted for it:HitWall:

[NEXT]

As a coach I HATE this rule.

[b1gblu3sports]

Who wants to sit around and watch a game that has this much of a margin difference??? I really like the rule just for this: How do you think the kids on the losing team feel getting beatby 50 or more? Great rule and I for one am glad it got put in place.

[cksportsfan]

Should we get rid of the 10-goal rule in soccer or the 10-run rule in baseball/softball?

No one cares if someone gets beat 25-9, 25-6, 25-7 in volleyball. Or do they care that they choose to play best 2-of-3 instead of 3-of-5 (because it wouldn't change the outcome, but no sense prolonging a buttkicking).

I've seen more 6-0, 6-0 wins in high school tennis than I can count.

I've seen bowling kids roll 250+ while someone they're competing against struggle just to break 100.

I've seen kids in the 1,600 and 3,200 runs in track LAP other runners.

I've seen wrestling kids get pinned in less than a minute, or worse, tech pinned in the first period (which they're basically slammed/taken down repeatedly).

I've seen VARSITY cross country runners get beaten by minutes and take more than 25 minutes to complete a course.

I've seen varsity golfers get doubled up ... in nine holes.

So why, why, why should basketball be a sacred cow?

And no, you're NOT getting better by beating up on Overmatched Podunk High. I have yet to have even one single player come up to me, when they were a junior and senior, and tell me, "You know what? Getting into a varsity game as a freshman reserve when we were up 30 on Podunk REALLY helped me develop".

Please.

You're better off working on things in practice than you would be as a reserve in those instances.

Even when I have ties to the winning team, I never enjoy watching 30-40-50 point blowouts with a slow-moving clock. It's beyond painful to watch and I have yet to hear even ONE thoughtful, compelling argument about why a butt-kicking like that should be prolonged and played out.

The mercy rule is NOT going away anytime soon. Nor does the KHSAA think it's a bad decision.

In fact, already hearing rumors that it may be fine tuned:
- Running clock at 25 (instead of 35) at ANY point in game (currently running clock is not allowed in first or second quarter)
- Game ends when lead hits 50 points (which isn't much different than a 10-run rule 5-inning baseball game or a 10-run rule 2-1/2 inning softball game in which the winning home team doesn't even bat in the third inning or a 10-0 soccer game that only last one half).

[THE X FACTOR]

i think the running clock is a good rule. It keeps the team with the large lead from running up the score. Of course its kind of a smack to the face for the losing team but it is just to ensure salt doesnt ge3t further thrown into the wound.

[RunItUpTheGut]

It's simple.
Make it a rule to have a 35 second shot clock.
No shortened games or mercy rules period!
But the shot clock has long needed to happen.

Both teams want to play the game.
Ive long stated my displeasure for whining about getting blown out. I dont even think there should be a mercy rule in football. If you get blown out, get better, or compete our of district with an independent schedule with teams you can play with.

[Cellking]

What about those Rare times a Team does make a Comeback. I remember a Oneida Baptist Team being down 25 to start 4th Qt. and coming back to Win the Game. Out Scored the other Team 40-5 in 4th. Besides in 30 years of Coaching I only saw 1 Coach that didn't Come down when the Team behind came down. Let them play.

[Stardust]

Should we get rid of the 10-goal rule in soccer or the 10-run rule in baseball/softball?

No one cares if someone gets beat 25-9, 25-6, 25-7 in volleyball. Or do they care that they choose to play best 2-of-3 instead of 3-of-5 (because it wouldn't change the outcome, but no sense prolonging a buttkicking).

I've seen more 6-0, 6-0 wins in high school tennis than I can count.

I've seen bowling kids roll 250+ while someone they're competing against struggle just to break 100.

I've seen kids in the 1,600 and 3,200 runs in track LAP other runners.

I've seen wrestling kids get pinned in less than a minute, or worse, tech pinned in the first period (which they're basically slammed/taken down repeatedly).

I've seen VARSITY cross country runners get beaten by minutes and take more than 25 minutes to complete a course.

I've seen varsity golfers get doubled up ... in nine holes.

So why, why, why should basketball be a sacred cow?

And no, you're NOT getting better by beating up on Overmatched Podunk High. I have yet to have even one single player come up to me, when they were a junior and senior, and tell me, "You know what? Getting into a varsity game as a freshman reserve when we were up 30 on Podunk REALLY helped me develop".

Please.

You're better off working on things in practice than you would be as a reserve in those instances.

Even when I have ties to the winning team, I never enjoy watching 30-40-50 point blowouts with a slow-moving clock. It's beyond painful to watch and I have yet to hear even ONE thoughtful, compelling argument about why a butt-kicking like that should be prolonged and played out.

The mercy rule is NOT going away anytime soon. Nor does the KHSAA think it's a bad decision.

In fact, already hearing rumors that it may be fine tuned:
- Running clock at 25 (instead of 35) at ANY point in game (currently running clock is not allowed in first or second quarter)
- Game ends when lead hits 50 points (which isn't much different than a 10-run rule 5-inning baseball game or a 10-run rule 2-1/2 inning softball game in which the winning home team doesn't even bat in the third inning or a 10-0 soccer game that only last one half).

KHSAA had NOTHING to do with the rule!

[Granny Bear]

Posted in error!!!

[cksportsfan]

The running clock was adopted by the KHSAA's Board of Control. Keep in mind it is NOT a NFHS standard/mandate.

http://khsaa.org/41812-running-clock-pro...f-control/

"4/18/12 Running Clock Provision Approved by Board of Control

April 18, 2012 Basketball Blog Updates

The KHSAA Board of Control has approved a running clock provision for basketball. The rule will require a running clock to be used in all levels of high school basketball if a point differential of 35 points or more is reached after halftime. The clock will be stopped only for a charged time-out, for injury/blood or disqualification, and immediately following the reporting of a foul if free throws are to be administered.
The specifics on how officials are to administer this new rule will be addressed in the near future.
The mercy rule/running clock provision has been added to other sports over the past years including football and soccer.

Final Rule wording -

Approve the adoption of a running clock rule at all levels of basketball (freshman, JV, Varsity) when one team is ahead by 35 or more points after halftime.

The clock shall be stopped only for a charged time-out, an injury/blood or disqualification, and immediately following the reporting of a foul if free throws are to be administered.

After reporting a shooting foul, the official will signal the timer to stop the clock. (This will be signaled by the official to the timer after reporting the foul)
Once the official signals the timer to stop the clock, it will be started when the free throw ends if the last free throw is missed (when it is certain the try will not be successful or when the try touches the floor or any player, 4-20-3), or when the ball is at the disposal of the opponent if the last throw is successful (Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count, 4-4-7.)"

http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting.as...cyTypeID=1
http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/At...tID=128987


COMPARISON OF OTHER RUNNING CLOCK (MERCY) RULES IN HIGH SCHOOL
PA
Running clock at all levels of competition.
One team gains a 40‐point differential over its opponent in the second half.
The clock shall be stopped only for a charged time‐out, an injury/blood or disqualification, and administering free
throws.
After reporting a shooting foul, the official will signal the timer to stop the clock. (The timer shall not stop the clock on
all whistles for fouls since some will not be shooting fouls)
Once the official signals the timer to stop the clock, it will be started on the last missed free throw or on the throw‐in
when its touched
DE
When one team is ahead by 35 points or more, the remainder of the game shall be played with a running clock, stopping
only for timeouts, injuries, technical fouls, and disqualifications. If the losing team reduces the score to 25 or fewer
points, the clock will be stopped in the usual manner unless a 35 point differential occurs again, at which time the clock
will again run. This rule governs all regular season school games at all levels, middle school through high school varsity.
FL
At any point during the second half when a differential of 35 points or 30 points in games played in 6 minute quarters is
reached, the game clock shall begin to run continuously during jump ball possessions, held ball situations, fouls,
violations, out‐of‐bounds plays and free throw shooting situations (non‐technical foul free throws) for the duration of
the game. The game clock shall be stopped only for timeouts, injuries, administration of technical fouls, or if the officials
need to address a situation that requires excessive time to resolve.
MI
At all levels of play and in MHSAA tournaments, after the first half when one team has a lead of 40 points or more, a
running clock shall be established. The clock shall revert to regular time schemes should the score be reduced to a 30‐
point lead or less. During any running clock mode, the clock shall be stopped as normal for all timeouts and between
quarters; and for free throws during the last two minutes of the game. By league or conference adoption the point
differentials (both to establish a running clock and then resume normal timing) may be modified at the junior high
middle school level only.
MT
It will be used for all levels of play, (Varsity, JV, Sophomore and Frosh) in the second half only, once a team has a forty
(40) point or better lead against their opponent, a running clock will ensue until the end of the game even if the
difference in the score drops below the forty point margin. The only time the clock will stop will be between quarters,
time outs, and when replacing an injured or disqualified player.
In the second half of a basketball game, the official scorer and timer will be responsible for running the clock
continuously except for the below situations, once a team has a forty (40) point or better lead against their opponent.
1. Once the clock signals the end of a quarter or overtime period, the clock will be stopped until play is started for
the next quarter or overtime period.
2. Once an official signals for a called time‐out, the clock will be stopped until play is started following the timeout.
3. For injuries (as in Rule 3‐3‐6) once an official beckons or bench personnel come onto the floor to attend to an
injured player and for blood issues (as in Rule 3‐3‐7) the clock will be stopped until play is started again.
4. Once an official informs the Head Coach that a player has been disqualified from further participation in the
game, the clock will be stopped until play is started again.
The clock will be restarted when:
1. If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or
is touched by a player on the court.
2. If play is resumed by a throw‐in, the clock shall be started when the ball touches, or is legally touched by, a
player on the court after it is released by the thrower.
MN
When the point differential reaches 35 points or more, with less than nine minutes to play, the clock will go to running
time. The clock will only be stopped for time‐outs (team or official). Regular timing rules will be used if the point
differential drops back to less than 30 points.
NM
When a team is ahead at half‐time by 35 or more points or becomes 35 or more points ahead in the second half, the
clock will stop only for time‐outs and for two and three shot free throws. If the point differential becomes less than 35
points, regular timing resumes.
GA
E. MERCY RULE: In accordance with National Federation rule options, the second half of a game may be reduced to six
(6) minute quarters, while using normal timing/scoring rules when:
(a) The point differential at halftime is forty (40) points or greater, and the coach of the trailing team wishes to
have the "Mercy Rule" imposed.
(b) The point differential at the beginning of the fourth (4th) quarter is thirty (30) points or greater, the "Mercy
Rule" will be invoked automatically.
ID
Mercy Rule
At any time during the fourth quarter when the point differential is 30 points or greater, the mercy rule shall be invoked.
Once in effect, the clock shall not be stopped except for called time outs. Officials will notify the timekeeper that the rule is in effect. Once the rule is in effect, it will not be revoked. The mercy rule may not be used during district, state play‐in, or state tournament games.

[Panther Thunder]

It's simple.
Make it a rule to have a 35 second shot clock.
No shortened games or mercy rules period!
But the shot clock has long needed to happen.

Both teams want to play the game.
Ive long stated my displeasure for whining about getting blown out. I dont even think there should be a mercy rule in football. If you get blown out, get better, or compete our of district with an independent schedule with teams you can play with.

Seneca held the ball for 5 straight minutes in the 2nd qtr last night haha.

[HD28]

I agree. Such a rule is just another concession to the coming "Nanny State". If you don't want to get beaten badly, don't schedule the game, Those who work hard in practice and rarely play deserve their chance to score a few points. Why should they be punished for the sake of "self esteem"?

Actually, I would think a running clock would be more embarrassing that playing a real game to the end. Only poor lessons are learned by the welfare of a running clock. We have too many examples of this crap as it is now.

What is wrong with kids learning that they can't compete? It should be a good lesson to learn early in life. They can get a tuba and play in the band where they can possibly compete.

You speak of a "nanny state" and kids tht can't compete "get a tuba and play in the band". But then you also mention "kids that work hard in practice deserve a chance..." Which is it? You going to teach kids a life lesson about competition and getting better or quitting? Or are you on the side of "if you work hard you deserve a chance to play"? Can't have it both ways.

[Panther Thunder]

You speak of a "nanny state" and kids tht can't compete "get a tuba and play in the band". But then you also mention "kids that work hard in practice deserve a chance..." Which is it? You going to teach kids a life lesson about competition and getting better or quitting? Or are you on the side of "if you work hard you deserve a chance to play"? Can't have it both ways.

This is not a well thought out post, IMO.

[HD28]

What part are you having trouble with?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

You speak of a "nanny state" and kids tht can't compete "get a tuba and play in the band". But then you also mention "kids that work hard in practice deserve a chance..." Which is it? You going to teach kids a life lesson about competition and getting better or quitting? Or are you on the side of "if you work hard you deserve a chance to play"? Can't have it both ways.

Although the message of my post was quite clear, apparently you failed to comprehend it. I am saying that those who make up the second and third teams should not be punished by shortening their opportunity to play and score. They practice just as do the starters. Usually many of them don't play at all in most games. In a blowout, they will get a chance. They should have it.

You want to cut down the opportunity for the little used bench warmers on the winning team in order to "protect" the self esteem of the losing players. Surely, you don't believe that the running clock protects the losing team from humiliation?

Maybe the players on the losing team should learn that their future is obviously not in basketball. Maybe, it is in the band, or the chorus, or in computer science. I would suggest that it is about time we taught a few real world facts and a little less of this silly self esteem insulation.

[Panther Thunder]

What part are you having trouble with?

Because having a big lead and play the young guys or the guys that don't get much PT is a preparation tool as well as a reward for effort. It is not something being given to someone. It is something that is earned.

The coach needs those minutes to build a foundation for the future. It builds chemistry between players that will one day be playing together, or for a back up that may be called upon due to injury or other unforeseen circumstances. There is more to a program than one game, but that one game is an important piece, and taking minutes away from it can damage the ability to properly prepare for the future.

But, winning or losing, kids that work every day should get to play the game they practice to play. Not have it taken away because one team is substantially better. If the people getting beat don't like it, those are ones that should do something about it or not play. The ones that get beat and want to try to get better don't want the game to be shortened. Just my opinion.

[HD28]

Maybe I didn't do a good job of conveying my point. HRV appears to be against "nanny states", i.e., taking it easy on teams when the lead is out if hand. Using that same logic, the players on the winning team who only play in blowouts are not good enough to play, but "deserve a chance to play and score a few points". To me, when talking about nanny states, these two situations are the same.

Hard work was expected when I played. If you didn't work hard, you weren't part of the team. It didn't entitle you to playing time, a chance to score, or anything else, regardless of the situation. And I know the response will be " we are talking about 2nd and 3rd stringers playing hard, blah blah blah." It's just a different side of the argument, and my opinion.

[Stardust]

The running clock was adopted by the KHSAA's Board of Control. Keep in mind it is NOT a NFHS standard/mandate.

http://khsaa.org/41812-running-clock-pro...f-control/

"4/18/12 Running Clock Provision Approved by Board of Control

April 18, 2012 Basketball Blog Updates

The KHSAA Board of Control has approved a running clock provision for basketball. The rule will require a running clock to be used in all levels of high school basketball if a point differential of 35 points or more is reached after halftime. The clock will be stopped only for a charged time-out, for injury/blood or disqualification, and immediately following the reporting of a foul if free throws are to be administered.
The specifics on how officials are to administer this new rule will be addressed in the near future.
The mercy rule/running clock provision has been added to other sports over the past years including football and soccer.

Final Rule wording -

Approve the adoption of a running clock rule at all levels of basketball (freshman, JV, Varsity) when one team is ahead by 35 or more points after halftime.

The clock shall be stopped only for a charged time-out, an injury/blood or disqualification, and immediately following the reporting of a foul if free throws are to be administered.

After reporting a shooting foul, the official will signal the timer to stop the clock. (This will be signaled by the official to the timer after reporting the foul)
Once the official signals the timer to stop the clock, it will be started when the free throw ends if the last free throw is missed (when it is certain the try will not be successful or when the try touches the floor or any player, 4-20-3), or when the ball is at the disposal of the opponent if the last throw is successful (Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count, 4-4-7.)"

http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting.as...cyTypeID=1
http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting/At...tID=128987


COMPARISON OF OTHER RUNNING CLOCK (MERCY) RULES IN HIGH SCHOOL
PA
Running clock at all levels of competition.
One team gains a 40‐point differential over its opponent in the second half.
The clock shall be stopped only for a charged time‐out, an injury/blood or disqualification, and administering free
throws.
After reporting a shooting foul, the official will signal the timer to stop the clock. (The timer shall not stop the clock on
all whistles for fouls since some will not be shooting fouls)
Once the official signals the timer to stop the clock, it will be started on the last missed free throw or on the throw‐in
when its touched
DE
When one team is ahead by 35 points or more, the remainder of the game shall be played with a running clock, stopping
only for timeouts, injuries, technical fouls, and disqualifications. If the losing team reduces the score to 25 or fewer
points, the clock will be stopped in the usual manner unless a 35 point differential occurs again, at which time the clock
will again run. This rule governs all regular season school games at all levels, middle school through high school varsity.
FL
At any point during the second half when a differential of 35 points or 30 points in games played in 6 minute quarters is
reached, the game clock shall begin to run continuously during jump ball possessions, held ball situations, fouls,
violations, out‐of‐bounds plays and free throw shooting situations (non‐technical foul free throws) for the duration of
the game. The game clock shall be stopped only for timeouts, injuries, administration of technical fouls, or if the officials
need to address a situation that requires excessive time to resolve.
MI
At all levels of play and in MHSAA tournaments, after the first half when one team has a lead of 40 points or more, a
running clock shall be established. The clock shall revert to regular time schemes should the score be reduced to a 30‐
point lead or less. During any running clock mode, the clock shall be stopped as normal for all timeouts and between
quarters; and for free throws during the last two minutes of the game. By league or conference adoption the point
differentials (both to establish a running clock and then resume normal timing) may be modified at the junior high
middle school level only.
MT
It will be used for all levels of play, (Varsity, JV, Sophomore and Frosh) in the second half only, once a team has a forty
(40) point or better lead against their opponent, a running clock will ensue until the end of the game even if the
difference in the score drops below the forty point margin. The only time the clock will stop will be between quarters,
time outs, and when replacing an injured or disqualified player.
In the second half of a basketball game, the official scorer and timer will be responsible for running the clock
continuously except for the below situations, once a team has a forty (40) point or better lead against their opponent.
1. Once the clock signals the end of a quarter or overtime period, the clock will be stopped until play is started for
the next quarter or overtime period.
2. Once an official signals for a called time‐out, the clock will be stopped until play is started following the timeout.
3. For injuries (as in Rule 3‐3‐6) once an official beckons or bench personnel come onto the floor to attend to an
injured player and for blood issues (as in Rule 3‐3‐7) the clock will be stopped until play is started again.
4. Once an official informs the Head Coach that a player has been disqualified from further participation in the
game, the clock will be stopped until play is started again.
The clock will be restarted when:
1. If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or
is touched by a player on the court.
2. If play is resumed by a throw‐in, the clock shall be started when the ball touches, or is legally touched by, a
player on the court after it is released by the thrower.
MN
When the point differential reaches 35 points or more, with less than nine minutes to play, the clock will go to running
time. The clock will only be stopped for time‐outs (team or official). Regular timing rules will be used if the point
differential drops back to less than 30 points.
NM
When a team is ahead at half‐time by 35 or more points or becomes 35 or more points ahead in the second half, the
clock will stop only for time‐outs and for two and three shot free throws. If the point differential becomes less than 35
points, regular timing resumes.
GA
E. MERCY RULE: In accordance with National Federation rule options, the second half of a game may be reduced to six
(6) minute quarters, while using normal timing/scoring rules when:
(a) The point differential at halftime is forty (40) points or greater, and the coach of the trailing team wishes to
have the "Mercy Rule" imposed.
(b) The point differential at the beginning of the fourth (4th) quarter is thirty (30) points or greater, the "Mercy
Rule" will be invoked automatically.
ID
Mercy Rule
At any time during the fourth quarter when the point differential is 30 points or greater, the mercy rule shall be invoked.
Once in effect, the clock shall not be stopped except for called time outs. Officials will notify the timekeeper that the rule is in effect. Once the rule is in effect, it will not be revoked. The mercy rule may not be used during district, state play‐in, or state tournament games.

Damn that Ronny Dawn - with all the scores that he put on other teams, I can't believe he was on this committee! This should make Wideleft hate Newport Catholic even more than he already does!nicker:

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Maybe I didn't do a good job of conveying my point. HRV appears to be against "nanny states", i.e., taking it easy on teams when the lead is out if hand. Using that same logic, the players on the winning team who only play in blowouts are not good enough to play, but "deserve a chance to play and score a few points". To me, when talking about nanny states, these two situations are the same.

Hard work was expected when I played. If you didn't work hard, you weren't part of the team. It didn't entitle you to playing time, a chance to score, or anything else, regardless of the situation. And I know the response will be " we are talking about 2nd and 3rd stringers playing hard, blah blah blah." It's just a different side of the argument, and my opinion.

Fair enough. The remedy would be for the school with the weak team to refrain from scheduling games that will cause humiliation to their players. A school isn't required to play any other school even if both are part of the same seeded district.

This solution avoids the embarrassment. Running clocks are, and should be, just as hurtful for the weak team as is a bigger blowout. In either case, the weaker team couldn't compete.

[Stardust]

Fair enough. The remedy would be for the school with the weak team to refrain from scheduling games that will cause humiliation to their players. A school isn't required to play any other school even if both are part of the same seeded district.

This solution avoids the embarrassment. Running clocks are, and should be, just as hurtful for the weak team as is a bigger blowout. In either case, the weaker team couldn't compete.

Amen brother! Who is the bad coach - the one who wins by 50, or the moron who knew his team would lose by 50 when he scheduled it????

You shouldn't need a running clock to fix the ignorance of the latter coach!

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Amen brother! Who is the bad coach - the one who wins by 50, or the moron who knew his team would lose by 50 when he scheduled it????

You shouldn't need a running clock to fix the ignorance of the latter coach!

Absolutely right on target. No coach should ever be expected to ask his team to not perform to the best of its ability. That goes against everything that these kids need to learn to be successful in life.

[cksportsfan]

You all know as well as I do that coaches/ADs/principals are NOT going to forfeit mandated district games.

Pretty sure there is some penalty for forfeiting games:

http://khsaa.org/httpdocs/forms/ge14.pdf

[Stardust]

^ True. but these games happen every night, and 90% of them are not district games!

[Truth]

You all know as well as I do that coaches/ADs/principals are NOT going to forfeit mandated district games.

Pretty sure there is some penalty for forfeiting games:

http://khsaa.org/httpdocs/forms/ge14.pdf

You are wrong, cksportsfan. When Mayo was at Rose Hill, both Ashland and Boyd County refused to schedule Rose Hill for the 2002-2003 season. They each chose instead to have their two district games (the district was seeded at the time) counted as losses for seeding purposes rather than to play the games. That is a fact. The form you cite is a game contract form and, in this matter, it is completely immaterial and meaningless.

[Truth]

^ True. but these games happen every night, and 90% of them are not district games!

I don't like to dispute any post by Stardust but, in this case, cksportsfan's statement is not true. It is absolutely false- district game or not, seeded or not.

[HDE]

I watch two games just about every night, and I like the rule.
When the outcome is decided, it's brutal to sit there and watch games drag on and on and on.
The JV and frosh games are there to get the other guys on the team playing time.