[Do-double-gg]

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TheRealVille
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Originally Posted by Do-double-gg
Or maybe you just made up some bull s@#$ and then thought no one would be smart enough to call you out on it. I think this is your pattern!!!

I didn't make a thing up, that's what the woman said. Maybe the thousands across striking might know more about Walmart than the "politicians" on BGR. Btw, you can say bullshit on here.


You would know!nicker:

[Bob Seger]

Yepp, If I don't see Pat's car outside when I roll up, I get instantly depressed.

If you dont care, tell em Seger says hey. Had a lot of great times with those two over the years..

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I didn't make a thing up, that's what the woman said. Maybe the thousands across striking might know more about Walmart than the "politicians" on BGR. Btw, you can say bullshit on here.

Really? First, I believe you are exaggerating a bit with your reference to "thousands". You make it sound like there are large crowds of protesters all over the country. That isn't correct. I have patronized several Walmarts yesterday and today and the only "demonstrators" I saw were ringing Salvation Army bells. I did see a multitude of shoppers with overloaded carts exercising their right to participate in the free enterprise system without being bothered by economic maggots.

And, for what these mental pygmies you mention know about Walmart, I would suggest they know nothing because few, if any, of them work at Walmart. Of course, if any of the sparce (that means "few") group of dimwits, who may or may not be at Walmart stores, are actually Walmart employees, they should have their rather large butts fired immediately.

[Wildcatk23]

Spoke to a Walmart worker this morning. While she was checking us out.

She gets 4 breaks for a 12 hour shift. 3 15s and a 30. An they are forced to take there breaks and will get into big trouble if they do not.

[Hoot Gibson]

I guess the workers know more than you on the topic.

Walmart workers should know more than me, but malcontents don't always tell the truth, do they? Especially those who believe that being represented by a union would solve all of their problems. I suspect that there are thousands of former Hostess workers who would love to have a job at Walmart.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Walmart workers should know more than me, but malcontents don't always tell the truth, do they? Especially those who believe that being represented by a union would solve all of their problems. I suspect that there are thousands of former Hostess workers who would love to have a job at Walmart.

Excellent, Hoot. The reference to the former Hostess employees is right on target. Maybe they can all work at the union hall.

[TheRealVille]

^ Are you ok with using your tax money to supplement the workers, because their pay is low, and are kept on shorter hours? Your money is paying to supply their foodstamps, and welfare that they are able to receive when working there.

[Hoot Gibson]

^ Are you ok with using your tax money to supplement the workers, because their pay is low, and are kept on shorter hours? Your money is paying to supply their foodstamps, and welfare that they are able to receive when working there.

Their hours are about to become shorter because of Obamacare, but you seem to be okay with that. If the economy was stronger, the demand for food stamps and other welfare benefits would drop. Wages have nosedived nationwide since Obama took office, so I don't think that you can tag Walmart with the blame for that phenomenon.

Is Walmart the second Obama term's Bush? Obama should blame his predecessor for the dismal economy, which will soon be...Obama.:biggrin:

[TheRealVille]

Their hours are about to become shorter because of Obamacare, but you seem to be okay with that. If the economy was stronger, the demand for food stamps and other welfare benefits would drop. Wages have nosedived nationwide since Obama took office, so I don't think that you can tag Walmart with the blame for that phenomenon.

Is Walmart the second Obama term's Bush? Obama should blame his predecessor for the dismal economy, which will soon be...Obama.:biggrin:

How are Walmart's profits doing? Are they rising, or getting lower?

[Stardust]

Dusty, I like you, but you dont know what the hell your talking about. It might be different up where you live, but until youve spent time (lived) down here in this part of the state, then you have zero clue of what your talking about. Jenkins, Neon, Whitesburg, Dorton, Virgie, Regina, Elkhorn or Isom never had ANY of the stores you mentioned. No Ameristops. No Tire Discounters. No Thriftway, No Krogers, None of the above. Those towns were ran by places like Wrights Market, Franks Produce, the Jot 'em Down Market, Coopies Market, Elgins Market, Jenkins Tire, Collins Tire, Farleys One Stop, Everetts General Store, TG's General Food and Supply, (2) Food Haven Supermarkets, among others. Every single one of those stores were open until the Supercenters opened up. Do you know how many of those mentioned above have stayed open since then? Other than Collins Tire, NONE OF THEM. They couldnt compete with Walmart and their "convenience". You thinking you know anything about this part of the state is laughable. Do your research, Dusty.

TH, I, along with my wife, own two small businesses. I also work for the worlds largest Financial Services institution. I get it I understand what small business is, but just as importantly, I understand consumer NEEDS. In this economy with gasoline rising to $3.50 per gallon, no one can afford a small gas station who's primary product is gasoline and who does not have the buying capacity to purchase in bulk, thus their prices would have to be over $4.00 per gallon - and who can afford to go there now. I understand where the local five and dime was a staple in the community, but their buying power will cost the consumer 25% more for the same products.

TH, let me tell you that the biggest culprit of driving the death of small business is NOT Walmart! It's Government. Yes, I KNOW FOR A FACT the requirements, the taxes, governance put on our two businesses that we will not be able to compete when a larger entity that has the ability to offset fees and governance is based on pure volume. You have no understanding unless you are standing in my shoes. As soon as Obamacare requires that I MUST provide insurance coupled with my tax rate that will climb from 35% to 40-44%, then we will have to consider shutting the doors because we will NOT be able to compete.

I like your thinking but you really are NOT on target on this argument. If more people like you could afford the rising prices at the local business entities, then those entities would never have closed! If you give me a choice, and I have limited buying power, then I with good conscious to my family must make the decision to give them more with what little I have. And that my friend, is the reason that these entities are no longer in business, whether it is a small rural town or a major metropolis!

[TidesHoss32]

TH, I, along with my wife, own two small businesses. I also work for the worlds largest Financial Services institution. I get it I understand what small business is, but just as importantly, I understand consumer NEEDS. In this economy with gasoline rising to $3.50 per gallon, no one can afford a small gas station who's primary product is gasoline and who does not have the buying capacity to purchase in bulk, thus their prices would have to be over $4.00 per gallon - and who can afford to go there now. I understand where the local five and dime was a staple in the community, but their buying power will cost the consumer 25% more for the same products.

TH, let me tell you that the biggest culprit of driving the death of small business is NOT Walmart! It's Government. Yes, I KNOW FOR A FACT the requirements, the taxes, governance put on our two businesses that we will not be able to compete when a larger entity that has the ability to offset fees and governance is based on pure volume. You have no understanding unless you are standing in my shoes. As soon as Obamacare requires that I MUST provide insurance coupled with my tax rate that will climb from 35% to 40-44%, then we will have to consider shutting the doors because we will NOT be able to compete.

I like your thinking but you really are NOT on target on this argument. If more people like you could afford the rising prices at the local business entities, then those entities would never have closed! If you give me a choice, and I have limited buying power, then I with good conscious to my family must make the decision to give them more with what little I have. And that my friend, is the reason that these entities are no longer in business, whether it is a small rural town or a major metropolis!

Dusty, Im not disagreeing with you on your basis, but what I am disagreeing with you on, is that around here, where I live, none of these businesses shut down until Walmart came into town. There was no competition until they came in and took over everything, and one by one, seemingly over just four or five years, they all were gone. I wont challenge you on what you know about business and finance, because I know thats your expertise, HOWEVER, you have to take into consideration that where I live and where you live are two completely different animals. Where you live, a Walmart may not make much difference on the surface, because you already had those Krogers, Thriftways, ect. running those small businesses into the ground. Here we had Superior Food Market, and you personally knew everybody that owned the other businesses. So when Walmart gets built 20 minutes or so away, it absolutely crushed those businesses. Thats the point I was trying to make..A couple more points and Ill shut up..number one, leaved it government to screw everything up. This Obamacare sounds like its going to be a nightmare for anybody trying to open up their own business. I talked to a man in Hazard that was going to re-open a coffee shop, and he said he wouldnt be able to afford insuring his workers (he also owns a medical supply store), so he had to dump that idea, and Ive been thinking about opening up a restaurant, or possibly a gas station myself, and from all that I have read, as bad as I want to do it, Im not sure if its worth the risk right now. I would be investing A LOT of my own money in it, and when it comes to my own money, the game changes, haha..And finally, good luck to you and your businesses. I root for the underdog, and I try as hard as I can to give small businesses all the support and business that I can. I understand sometimes its just not feasible, but I really do try. If you dont mind me asking, what exactly do your businesses consist of? You can PM me if its personal..

[Stardust]

Dusty, Im not disagreeing with you on your basis, but what I am disagreeing with you on, is that around here, where I live, none of these businesses shut down until Walmart came into town. There was no competition until they came in and took over everything, and one by one, seemingly over just four or five years, they all were gone. I wont challenge you on what you know about business and finance, because I know thats your expertise, HOWEVER, you have to take into consideration that where I live and where you live are two completely different animals. Where you live, a Walmart may not make much difference on the surface, because you already had those Krogers, Thriftways, ect. running those small businesses into the ground. Here we had Superior Food Market, and you personally knew everybody that owned the other businesses. So when Walmart gets built 20 minutes or so away, it absolutely crushed those businesses. Thats the point I was trying to make..

TH, I get you 100%, and as I said earlier, your points on dead on. But it's not Walmart, its consumer choice. If it wasn't Walmart that closed down the local businesses, it would have been Target, Meijers, etc... What I meant specifically is the local business has been dying for 50 years because a system that allows volume buying allows for cheaper commerce. The local service station would have eventually passed on to some type of Tire Center. The local butcher probably already passed on to the local grocery store. The local pharmacy was going to fall to a nationwide Walgreens. I get exactly what you are saying, but it is NOT Walmarts fault. What I said before, I still stand behind now. If people could afford to support the local business, they still would have. But with choice, the buying community made the decision to close the local business, Not Walmart. We are not on opposite sides, but maybe opposite opinions of who killed whom! :Thumbs:

[TidesHoss32]

TH, I get you 100%, and as I said earlier, your points on dead on. But it's not Walmart, its consumer choice. If it wasn't Walmart that closed down the local businesses, it would have been Target, Meijers, etc... What I meant specifically is the local business has been dying for 50 years because a system that allows volume buying allows for cheaper commerce. The local service station would have eventually passed on to some type of Tire Center. The local butcher probably already passed on to the local grocery store. The local pharmacy was going to fall to a nationwide Walgreens. I get exactly what you are saying, but it is NOT Walmarts fault. What I said before, I still stand behind now. If people could afford to support the local business, they still would have. But with choice, the buying community made the decision to close the local business, Not Walmart. We are not on opposite sides, but maybe opposite opinions of who killed whom! :Thumbs:

I can agree with that...one more thing about your post, I talked to a man from Hazard that was going to re-open a coffee shop (he also owns a medical supply shop), and he said that Obamacare alone would make it hard for him to break even, taking his overhead, supplies, etc into consideration. I have talked to him several times about me opening up a car hop/diner, or even possibly a gas station around here, and he told me to do a lot more research on it, because if I have to hire a fairly big crew, that the insurance regulations alone would make it tough to open a new business and make a solid profit. When I told him that most of this would be funded by my personal money, he said for me to think reallllll hard about that, that theres no way that he would take that risk, that I would be better off taking a business loan, and to protect my money. I have an appointment to talk to my loan manager in a week, not to secure any type of loan, but to get the specifics of what Ill have to have, and generally get an idea of what Im looking at. It sounds like this Obamacare is going to be a killer across the board, so Ive not ruled out other projects, but it is slowly killing my dream of building my own car hop..

[TheRealVille]

I can agree with that...one more thing about your post, I talked to a man from Hazard that was going to re-open a coffee shop (he also owns a medical supply shop), and he said that Obamacare alone would make it hard for him to break even, taking his overhead, supplies, etc into consideration. I have talked to him several times about me opening up a car hop/diner, or even possibly a gas station around here, and he told me to do a lot more research on it, because if I have to hire a fairly big crew, that the insurance regulations alone would make it tough to open a new business and make a solid profit. When I told him that most of this would be funded by my personal money, he said for me to think reallllll hard about that, that theres no way that he would take that risk, that I would be better off taking a business loan, and to protect my money. I have an appointment to talk to my loan manager in a week, not to secure any type of loan, but to get the specifics of what Ill have to have, and generally get an idea of what Im looking at. It sounds like this Obamacare is going to be a killer across the board, so Ive not ruled out other projects, but it is slowly killing my dream of building my own car hop..

I would talk to a business person that is actually feeling negative effects of the insurance thing. If you will read the website, they give you credit to buy the insurance, it might be enough for what you need to buy. Check it out for yourself, and don't take the word of anybody that doesn't own a business, and is actually having to pay a lot more. Or, do like all these guys here suggest, and only work the people 29 hours a week. I wouldn't take any advice from most here, I'd talk to a CPA or tax lawyer, that can shoot you straight. Maybe Bob Seger can clue you in on how it is affecting his business.

[TidesHoss32]

I would talk to a business person that is actually feeling negative effects of the insurance thing. If you will read the website, they give you credit to buy the insurance, it might be enough for what you need to buy. Check it out for yourself, and don't take the word of anybody that doesn't own a business, and is actually having to pay a lot more. Or, do like all these guys here suggest, and only work the people 29 hours a week. I wouldn't take any advice from most here, I'd talk to a CPA or tax lawyer, that can shoot you straight. Maybe Bob Seger can clue you in on how it is affecting his business.

Well I meet with a loan officer soon enough and I'm gonna see what my options are. I don't want to invest money into something that is 50-50. I don't mind taking risks but I definitely will talk to more knowledgeable people about it. I have annuities that I don't want ruined, and savings that I don't want drained on something that will turn out to be a pipe dream.
Also, that last post was supposed to be a continuation of the post before that but the time elapsed, so no I'm not losing my mind haha..thanks all..

[Stardust]

I would talk to a business person that is actually feeling negative effects of the insurance thing. If you will read the website, they give you credit to buy the insurance, it might be enough for what you need to buy. Check it out for yourself, and don't take the word of anybody that doesn't own a business, and is actually having to pay a lot more. Or, do like all these guys here suggest, and only work the people 29 hours a week. I wouldn't take any advice from most here, I'd talk to a CPA or tax lawyer, that can shoot you straight. Maybe Bob Seger can clue you in on how it is affecting his business.

100% correct. Absolutely 100% correct. I would certainly recommend this than to reading a website and completely ignorant to business laws and actual tax regulations. But, we do have fools on this site who read the propaganda and believe it to be fact instead of actually doing the research. But, we have way too many politically ignorant to have a clue to what is real versus what is make believe. Yes TH, don't get your information from the website and believe it to be fact, spend the time to actually talk to people who's job it is to know the facts! Too many on here don't have a clue!

[TheRealVille]

100% correct. Absolutely 100% correct. I would certainly recommend this than to reading a website and completely ignorant to business laws and actual tax regulations. But, we do have fools on this site who read the propaganda and believe it to be fact instead of actually doing the research. But, we have way too many politically ignorant to have a clue to what is real versus what is make believe. Yes TH, don't get your information from the website and believe it to be fact, spend the time to actually talk to people who's job it is to know the facts! Too many on here don't have a clue!

Are you paying the insurance, and are you getting the credits yet? And, did you pay for their insurance before Obamacare? Also, does being an administrator allow you to call people names without getting an infraction, as others have gotten lately?

[Stardust]

^ I forgot more about this topic than you would ACTUALLY know. Please stop pretending to have a clue. You have been proven wrong so many times, you are becoming the butt of every joke when you actually start talking in fields that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

No, because I was not required to. But as soon as the written draft came out in 2010, I reviewed it directly with officials in DC (remember what my job is). I then was advised to speak directly to an attorney to understand the direct impacts if the passage of this mandate succeeds, which I have done for more than 16 months. I know the direct impacts of changing the hours of what is considered full time, I know the direct impacts of the requirement of the insurance, and I know exactly what the credits are as written today. So, I'm fairly confident, that I have forgotten more of this than you have read on your internet sites....

[TheRealVille]

^ I forgot more about this topic than you would ACTUALLY know. Please stop pretending to have a clue. You have been proven wrong so many times, you are becoming the butt of every joke when you actually start talking in fields that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

No, because I was not required to. But as soon as the written draft came out in 2010, I reviewed it directly with officials in DC (remember what my job is). I then was advised to speak directly to an attorney to understand the direct impacts if the passage of this mandate succeeds, which I have done for more than 16 months. I know the direct impacts of changing the hours of what is considered full time, I know the direct impacts of the requirement of the insurance, and I know exactly what the credits are as written today. So, I'm fairly confident, that I have forgotten more of this than you have read on your internet sites....

So you don't have to provide insurance for your employees that you are working at your two businesses? I'm not pretending to know anything, other than what I read on the official website for the ACA. I'm asking questions.


Bolded: I thought you said Obama care would sink your businesses?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

It is often said that those who have never had to meet a payroll have no understanding of running a business. Those who merely clock in and clock out have no clue. Of course, it doesn't seem to keep them from expressing an opinion even though the opinion is similar to a kindergarten student explaining calculus.

[TheRealVille]

It is often said that those who have never had to meet a payroll have no understanding of running a business. Those who merely clock in and clock out have no clue. Of course, it doesn't seem to keep them from expressing an opinion even though the opinion is similar to a kindergarten student explaining calculus.

Who's expressing opinions?

[RunItUpTheGut]

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TheRealVille
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Originally Posted by Do-double-gg
Or maybe you just made up some bull s@#$ and then thought no one would be smart enough to call you out on it. I think this is your pattern!!!

I didn't make a thing up, that's what the woman said. Maybe the thousands across striking might know more about Walmart than the "politicians" on BGR. Btw, you can say bullshit on here.


You would know!nicker:

You really need to learn how to use the "quote" button nicker:

[Ballers]

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Who's expressing opinions?

I believe you like to orate under the "union label". Those who clock in, clock out eight hours later, and forget the job for sixteen hours have no understanding of what is involved in running that business. It is far more involved than merely hanging around for forty hours a week and cashing a paycheck. Of course, many will find the work week dropped to twenty-five hours or so. I have no sympathy since nearly all of them voted for the incompetent, but cool, Obama. Wonder if he will feel their pain? Since he has never really had a job in the private sector, I doubt it.

[TheRealVille]

I believe you like to orate under the "union label". Those who clock in, clock out eight hours later, and forget the job for sixteen hours have no understanding of what is involved in running that business. It is far more involved than merely hanging around for forty hours a week and cashing a paycheck. Of course, many will find the work week dropped to twenty-five hours or so. I have no sympathy since nearly all of them voted for the incompetent, but cool, Obama. Wonder if he will feel their pain? Since he has never really had a job in the private sector, I doubt it.

Why quote my post if you aren't willing to answer the question. Again, where was I expressing any opinion in these posts about the ACA, that you were talking about in this post below? If you can't find where I expressed an opinion, other than to have TH32 to talk to a CPA or a tax lawyer, just admit it. I gave no business advice whatsoever.

It is often said that those who have never had to meet a payroll have no understanding of running a business. Those who merely clock in and clock out have no clue. Of course, it doesn't seem to keep them from expressing an opinion even though the opinion is similar to a kindergarten student explaining calculus.

[WideRight05]

Why quote my post if you aren't willing to answer the question. Again, where was I expressing any opinion in these posts about the ACA, that you were talking about in this post below? If you can't find where I expressed an opinion, other than to have TH32 to talk to a CPA or a tax lawyer, just admit it. I gave no business advice whatsoever.

Looks like something that Hoot, TRT, or HRV would say - except they would be able to back up their opinions.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Why quote my post if you aren't willing to answer the question. Again, where was I expressing any opinion in these posts about the ACA, that you were talking about in this post below? If you can't find where I expressed an opinion, other than to have TH32 to talk to a CPA or a tax lawyer, just admit it. I gave no business advice whatsoever.

I would never remotely suggest that you are capable of giving any relevant opinion in regard to business particularly as it may relate to the expertise of an attorney at law or certified public accountant. However, I would suggest that all your posts are based, more or less, on your personal "opinions" as derived from your pro-union, anti-management mentality. One fact is certain. Your "opinions" are not based on any material level of knowledge of true capitalism and industriousness.

[judgementday]

Just to chime in on this topic...

My dad works at Walmart (has for the last 5 years) makes $2 more than minimum wage and is sent on his breaks religiously. The only complaint he makes is that they have cut his hours along with everyone else.

I have yet to hear from him or anyone that he works with that they have ever made minimum wage working at Walmart. This may be just from this region, or maybe people are exaggerating.

Having their hours cut is a legitimate complaint. That I get, what I don't understand is how they are asking for better pay when they make more than minimum wage? I recall seeing someone on the picket line with a sign, on one side it says "Better Pay" on the other side was her name and it said "makes $8.63 an hour". That is over $1 more than minimum wage. I was a night shift manager at a pizza place making only $8.50 an hour and was more than greatful.

Also, a question that I have....How can Walmart employees go on strike if they are not unionized? It is my understanding that Walmart does not have a union.

[Memo Luna]

It isn't Walmart employees. The loiterers are troublemakers from other unions. Since they are on private property, they should be removed and arrested.

[TheRealThing]

Just to chime in on this topic...

My dad works at Walmart (has for the last 5 years) makes $2 more than minimum wage and is sent on his breaks religiously. The only complaint he makes is that they have cut his hours along with everyone else.

I have yet to hear from him or anyone that he works with that they have ever made minimum wage working at Walmart. This may be just from this region, or maybe people are exaggerating.

Having their hours cut is a legitimate complaint. That I get, what I don't understand is how they are asking for better pay when they make more than minimum wage? I recall seeing someone on the picket line with a sign, on one side it says "Better Pay" on the other side was her name and it said "makes $8.63 an hour". That is over $1 more than minimum wage. I was a night shift manager at a pizza place making only $8.50 an hour and was more than greatful.

Also, a question that I have....How can Walmart employees go on strike if they are not unionized? It is my understanding that Walmart does not have a union.

They can't go on strike without getting fired. Union folks in general don't know what they're talking about when they start making all their threats. By law, the only 'power', unions have is the power of collective bargaining. They cannot in any way impede their employer's right to make money. That means all they can do is stand off to the side and hold up informational pickett signs. If they try to intimidate shoppers or employees trying to go in the store, it's off to the jail house with them.

At one time unions enjoyed enormous prestige. Now they have become just a tool people use to 'get more'. I believe all unions will eventually dissolve. They have adopted a flawed strategy of unionization of all comers and anybody they can talk into organizing. Errantly believing these coalitions of unions will one day represent a membership too vast to be denied, and will someday be able to hold even the federal government accountable. The idea that everybody in the country would be a union member is ridiculous, and has done nothing other than degrade the bargaining power of the building trades and other large skilled trades unions. Right now one might be hard pressed to name any organization that isn't union. Postal workers, the actor's gulld, firemen, policemen, nurses, teachers, the trades--- carpenters, plumbers, electricians etc., airlines workers, truck drivers, warehousemen, auto workers, lawn mower manufacturers, machinists, state and federal government employee unions, steelworkers, maritime union, dockworkers, food handlers unions, the list is endless. The unions do have something in common with the United States government however, both have opened the doors to outsiders too widely. In the government's case 20 million or so illegal immigrants strain every state budget, and in the union's case so many hourly employees are union, being union means nothing.

In short, we can't legislate utopia, by passing laws meant to force Walmart and Papa John's into providing health care for the likes of pizza delivery men, for pete's sake.