[TheRealVille]

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[TheRealVille]

I work in business, and in addition have much, much more I am involved in with my field - writing, speeches, etc. You don't want to call me out on my record junior - it would be humiliating for you.

What work experience do you have? Walmart? :lmao:

In other words, you are still in college. :lmao:

[Jumper Dad]

Kentucky


Associates:
Associates in Kentucky: 30,015
Average wage: $12.78*
*For regular, full-time hourly associates in Walmart Discount Stores, Supercenters and Neighborhood Markets, as of October 31, 2012

Suppliers:
Spent with suppliers: $1.7 billion
Supplier jobs supported: 52,270
*Supplier figures provided by Dun & Bradstreet for FYE 2012

Taxes and Fees:
Collected: $231 million
Paid: $38.1 million
*Collected on behalf of the state of Kentucky as part of transactional sales of taxable goods and services for FYE 2012

From their web site...if these numbers were false some one would have called them on it, trust me.

[Jumper Dad]

Obama's supporters remind me of Christmas lights. They all hang together; half of them don't work; and the ones that do, aren't all that bright.

:Thumbs:nicker:

[Bob Seger]

From their web site...if these numbers were false some one would have called them on it, trust me.

You are still a member of WalMart management?

[TheRealVille]

From their web site...if these numbers were false some one would have called them on it, trust me.

Maybe this lady just made minimum wage, I don't know. At any rate, if they aren't giving them a break every 4 hours, they are breaking labor laws. It doesn't matter how much they are paid, there are still break and lunch rules to follow.

Meal break rules:
Workers have a right to a 30 minute meal break between the 3rd and 5th hour of work.
The meal break does not have to be paid.
Coffee or rest breaks cannot be counted as part of the meal break. Under special circumstances, the meal break can be shorter than 30 minutes.
You can make an agreement with your boss for a different arrangement (like if you want to work without a meal break or want to take it earlier or later in your shift) – but you must agree to the change.
Employees who are covered by the Federal Railway Labor Act are not covered by this law.
Workers under 18 years old have a right to a 30 minute meal break after 5 hours of work and any break of less than 30 minutes must paid.
Rest break rules:
Workers have a right to a paid 10-minute break for each 4-hour work period.
The rest break must be in addition to the meal break. Employees who are covered by the Federal Railway Labor Act are not covered by this law.

http://www.canmybossdothat.com/category....3&state=KY

Meals and Break

Kentucky employers must provide employees with a rest period of at least 10 minutes
during each four hours of work. The rest period is a paid break. KY Div. of Employment
Standards Regulations.

Employers must also provide a reasonable period for a meal no sooner than the third nor
later than the fifth hour of a work shift unless it has mutually agreed with the employee to
some other arrangement. (“Reasonable” is not defined by law.) A meal period does not
have to be paid so long as the employee is relieved of all duties during the break. KY Div.
of Employment Standards Regulations.

http://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/Sta...tucky.html

Since I'm reasonably sure that someone will say I posted liberal website links, I'll go straight to the horses mouth.

Am I entitled to a rest period, and do I get paid for this time?
You are entitled to a rest period of at least ten (10) minutes during each four hours you work. The rest period is a paid break.

Am I entitled to a meal period, and do I get paid for this time?
You are entitled to a reasonable period for a meal no sooner than the third nor later than the fifth hour of your work shift unless you and your employer have mutually agreed to some other arrangement. A duty-free meal period does not have to be paid.

http://www.labor.ky.gov/dows/doesam/Page...tions.aspx

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Walmart has shut down more local businesses than any administration can think of.

But yet you support them.

I believe that is called competition. If you can't compete in the free marketplace, you fail. Is it really any different than complaining because a number of professional sports franchises have failed because they can't compete with the Green By Packers, the New York Yankees, or the Los Angeles Lakers?

That is how capitalism works. You offer a comparable product for good value or you fail. Walmart is just better at it than most of the others. Good for Walmart.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Does that give walmart the right to treat them like crap, and break KY law in the process?

If Walmart were really "breaking Kentucky law", all your liberal advocacy groups, including the biased reprobate running the U.S. Justice Department, would be all over them.

And, if the workers are oppressed, they can quit, can't they? If one is continually stepping in manure on the way to the store, possibly he should change his route. This isn't really hard to understand.

[TheRealVille]

If Walmart were really "breaking Kentucky law", all your liberal advocacy groups, including the biased reprobate running the U.S. Justice Department, would be all over them.

And, if the workers are oppressed, they can quit, can't they? If one is continually stepping in manure on the way to the store, possibly he should change his route. This isn't really hard to understand.

Some people can't afford to quit. I can see that you would be all for oppressing people that can't afford to take up for themselves. Your mentality is why unions were born in the first place.

[Jumper Dad]

All jobs at Walmart start above minimum wage...maybe not a lot but all are above Min Wage.

As far as the state law about taking a lunch between the 4th and 5th hour...Walmart employees face possible discipline if they DO NOT take their break/meal during this time...they must clock out for a meal within this time period.

Cash register will actually quit working for a cashier if it is near time for the cashiers meal.

Managers have to answer for any associate that is a minute late clocking out for their meal period...let alone not getting one.

This is not hearsay or opinion these are facts...I have worked for Walmart for alomost 30 years and have done just about every job in the building...I know what I'm talking about.

[TheRealVille]

All jobs at Walmart start above minimum wage...maybe not a lot but all are above Min Wage.

As far as the state law about taking a lunch between the 4th and 5th hour...Walmart employees face possible discipline if they DO NOT take their break/meal during this time...they must clock out for a meal within this time period.

Cash register will actually quit working for a cashier if it is near time for the cashiers meal.

Managers have to answer for any associate that is a minute late clocking out for their meal period...let alone not getting one.

This is not hearsay or opinion these are facts...I have worked for Walmart for alomost 30 years and have done just about every job in the building...I know what I'm talking about.

Do they get their 2(1 if working 8 hrs/day) -10 minutes breaks during the day, besides their lunch?

[TheRealVille]

^Crickets?

[TheRealVille]

From their web site...if these numbers were false some one would have called them on it, trust me.

This site says the average hourly wage is different than what you state. I see figures ranging from the 8.84 up to 11.75, in a search.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walmart-...s-E715.htm

Sales Associate - Hourly
285 Walmart Stores Salaries
$8.84/hr

BTW, you still didn't answer my 10 minute break question.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Some people can't afford to quit. I can see that you would be all for oppressing people that can't afford to take up for themselves. Your mentality is why unions were born in the first place.

My mentality is the capitalist mentality. Your mentality is the socialist mentality.

You tend to want to to play the "victim card". It is as disingenuous as the "race card". I prefer the "self responsibility card".

The workers should have known the work environment, good or bad, when they accepted the job. If it is a negative environment, which it isn't, they need to move on. If they have no marketable skills, they better acquire some.

It is rare to find a worker with limited abilities who doesn't whine about his terrible work conditions and the slave driver for whom he works. After a short while, all should realize that that worker is usually the root of the problem.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

All jobs at Walmart start above minimum wage...maybe not a lot but all are above Min Wage.

As far as the state law about taking a lunch between the 4th and 5th hour...Walmart employees face possible discipline if they DO NOT take their break/meal during this time...they must clock out for a meal within this time period.

Cash register will actually quit working for a cashier if it is near time for the cashiers meal.

Managers have to answer for any associate that is a minute late clocking out for their meal period...let alone not getting one.

This is not hearsay or opinion these are facts...I have worked for Walmart for alomost 30 years and have done just about every job in the building...I know what I'm talking about.

It is good to get a little truth to offset the usual union BS.

[TidesHoss32]

I'd be willing to bet a brand new $100 bill that if any of you guys owned a tire shop, a diner, a garage, a butcher shop, or a deli, a gas station, convenience store, or even a small grocery store, that you wouldnt be singing Walmart's praises after they put you out of business because of "their convenience". And I'd guarantee you we wouldnt be getting this "free trade" argument from you either. Walmart is flat out the greediest company in the United States, and their sole purpose is to destroy every single small business in every town (and the surrounding towns) they build one of their supercenters in. I'll gladly spend an extra $50 on a set of tires at Roberts Brothers than at Walmart, because I know those are real people that truly care about their customers, and will take care of them, rather than corporate robots who could care less. I am currently working on trying to put a car hop restaurant/diner in my town, and Im clinging to hope that one day, small businesses will become relevant again. Until then, I am proud to support small businesses, and I will gladly spend a little extra money to support them.

[TheRealVille]

My mentality is the capitalist mentality. Your mentality is the socialist mentality.

You tend to want to to play the "victim card". It is as disingenuous as the "race card". I prefer the "self responsibility card".

The workers should have known the work environment, good or bad, when they accepted the job. If it is a negative environment, which it isn't, they need to move on. If they have no marketable skills, they better acquire some.

It is rare to find a worker with limited abilities who doesn't whine about his terrible work conditions and the slave driver for whom he works. After a short while, all should realize that that worker is usually the root of the problem.

Right. Shouldn't Walmart step up to their responsibility, and give the breaks required by law. Whether or not the workers knew the work environment, there are labor laws that have to be followed, which obviously aren't.

[Bob Seger]

Listen, I am all for capitalism, and I advocate it strongly, and I do see examples on both sides that consider merit. HOWEVER, WalMart grew and bloomed under their use of extreme "preditory pricing" to force the independent of "whatever sector" out of business. They would target a particular entity, when they came to town, and pound and pound and pound on them, until they were finally not able to stand it any longer.Then when the competitor is gone, watch those "always low prices" go back up. It's not always been a case of offering a service or product better than everyone else. They dont have to use these tactics as much now because they have already driven the little guy out. Again dont get me wrong, I am certainly not an advocate of socialism, but if anyone is interested in the real truth of how WalMart became the behemoth they are, here is some of the real truth.

[TheRealVille]

Listen, I am all for capitalism, and I advocate it strongly, and I do see examples on both sides that consider merit. HOWEVER, WalMart grew and bloomed under their use of extreme "preditory pricing" to force the independent of "whatever sector" out of business. They would taget a particular intity and pound and pound and pound on them, until they were finally not able to stand it any longer.Then when the competitor is gone, then watch those "always low prices" go back up. It's not always been a case of offering a service or product better than everyone else. They dont have to use these tactics as much now because they have already driven the little guy out.

This is why I try my best to keep my money going to locally owned businesses.

[Jumper Dad]

This site says the average hourly wage is different than what you state. I see figures ranging from the 8.84 up to 11.75, in a search.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walmart-...s-E715.htm


BTW, you still didn't answer my 10 minute break question.

Walmart doesn't give 10 minute breaks....they give 15 minute breaks. 2 per 8 hour shift plus a meal break.

I also know hourly associates making way more than what you posted...you are getting your info from who knows where but I have been there for almost 30years. I even helped interview new hires at Painstville (theRealVille)when that store opened in 88

[TheRealVille]

Walmart doesn't give 10 minute breaks....they give 15 minute breaks. 2 per 8 hour shift plus a meal break.

Maybe the lady lied to my wife.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Right. Shouldn't Walmart step up to their responsibility, and give the breaks required by law. Whether or not the workers knew the work environment, there are labor laws that have to be followed, which obviously aren't.

If Walmart is truly guilty of non-compliance with labor laws, the usual sources would be all over them. Accusations are one matter but proving that those accusations are valid and not just whining is another matter.

You can bet your boy, Holder, would love to attack Walmart. He is not exactly a proponent of free enterprise.

As I have said repeatedly, if the workers are so mistreated, let them move on. They are obviously easily replaceable. If they aren't capable of moving on, they need to follow the rules of the employer. That is how it should work. The workers have absolute freedom- freedom to leave or freedom to be acceptable employees.

[Jumper Dad]

Listen, I am all for capitalism, and I advocate it strongly, and I do see examples on both sides that consider merit. HOWEVER, WalMart grew and bloomed under their use of extreme "preditory pricing" to force the independent of "whatever sector" out of business. They would taget a particular entity and pound and pound and pound on them, until they were finally not able to stand it any longer.Then when the competitor is gone, then watch those "always low prices" go back up. It's not always been a case of offering a service or product better than everyone else. They dont have to use these tactics as much now because they have already driven the little guy out. Again dont get me wrong, I am certainly not an advocate of socialism, but if anyone is interested in the real truth of how WalMart became the behemoth they are, here is some of the real truth.

Walmarts pricing was based on a business decision to survive K-Mart, Sears, Kroger, Target and all of the other national retailers that were trying to run them out of business during the 70's and 80's.

[Jumper Dad]

If Walmart is truly guilty of non-compliance with labor laws, the usual sources would be all over them. Accusations are one matter but proving that those accusations are valid and not just whining is another matter.

You can bet your boy, Holder, would love to attack Walmart. He is not exactly a proponent of free enterprise.

As I have repeatedly said, if the workers are so mistreated, let them move on. They are obviously easily replaceable. If they aren't capable of moving on, they need to follow the rules of the employer. That is how it should work. The workers have absolute freedom- freedom to leave or freedom to be acceptable employees.

^ This

[TheRealVille]

If Walmart is truly guilty of non-compliance with labor laws, the usual sources would be all over them. Accusations are one matter but proving that those accusations are valid and not just whining is another matter.

You can bet your boy, Holder, would love to attack Walmart. He is not exactly a proponent of free enterprise.

As I have repeatedly said, if the workers are so mistreated, let them move on. They are obviously easily replaceable. If they aren't capable of moving on, they need to follow the rules of the employer. That is how it should work. the workers have absolute freedom- freedom to leave or freedom to be acceptable employees.

Jumper Dad explained that they do give breaks. But, to the rest of your post that is bolded, the "rules of the employer" have to abide by labor laws. That's why the rules are there, because of people with your mentality of places of employment. Irregardless of your opinion on things, employers have rules to follow.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Maybe the lady lied to my wife.

And that, TheRealVille, is a good example of why heresay is worthless.

[TheRealVille]

And that, TheRealVille, is a good example of why heresay is worthless.

Is it hearsay what Jumper Dad is telling us, then? We have two different Walmart employees, telling two different stories. There's a good chance I know Jumper Dad, and if I do, I know he wouldn't lie about what he is saying, though.

[Bob Seger]

Walmarts pricing was based on a business decision to survive K-Mart, Sears, Kroger, Target and all of the other national retailers that were trying to run them out of business during the 70's and 80's.

Now, tell the rest of the story of what happened after they survived the big boys. I've seen it done. If you are in mangement, you know for a fact what I said is true.If you are denying that it happened (and still happens when needed), then you are not being truthful.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Listen, I am all for capitalism, and I advocate it strongly, and I do see examples on both sides that consider merit. HOWEVER, WalMart grew and bloomed under their use of extreme "preditory pricing" to force the independent of "whatever sector" out of business. They would target a particular entity, when they came to town, and pound and pound and pound on them, until they were finally not able to stand it any longer.Then when the competitor is gone, watch those "always low prices" go back up. It's not always been a case of offering a service or product better than everyone else. They dont have to use these tactics as much now because they have already driven the little guy out. Again dont get me wrong, I am certainly not an advocate of socialism, but if anyone is interested in the real truth of how WalMart became the behemoth they are, here is some of the real truth.

I don't disagree with you, Bob Seger. Capitalism is not always pretty. There are winners and there are losers. It isn't always fair. By its nature, it can't always be fair. To the winner belongs the spoils. That is how capitalism must work. Otherwise, it is not capitalism.

Is Walmart a positive community member? That is in the eyes of the beholder and that beholder is likely not without prejudice one way or the other. Walmart plays its business game to win which can be hardball. Walmart also gives a lot of time and money to charity.

[Bob Seger]

I don't disagree with you, Bob Seger. Capitalism is not always pretty. There are winners and there are losers. It isn't always fair. By its nature, it can't always be fair. To the winner belongs the spoils. That is how capitalism must work. Otherwise, it is not capitalism.

Is Walmart a positive community member? That is in the eyes of the beholder and that beholder is likely not without prejudice one way or the other. Walmart plays its business game to win which can be hardball. Walmart also gives a lot of time and money to charity.

Not disagreeing Harry. I am just offering the part that is being left out of the discussion.