[RunItUpTheGut]

Just seen this on fox.
They voted on it and it passed 53-47.

What kind of federal laws will step in here?

[vundy33]

I hope none. It's about time this happened as its past due.

I still have a hard time believing that anyone can think marijuana is even close to as dangerous, "scary", what have you, as alcohol. Not to mention the positive legal results of recreational regulated marijuana.

[4_real]

me and ron paul r gonna hit up a broncos game and a fatty now

[geauxtigers75]

Gosh damn it's about time. Hooray to Colorado and Washington for both legalizing marijuana! Vundy is right on with his comments.

[judgementday]

Just seen this on fox.
They voted on it and it passed 53-47.

What kind of federal laws will step in here?

Selling/possessing Marijuana is still against federal laws. Meaning that before people can freely use weed, the federal government will probably step in and stop it at some point causing a supreme court type of decision.

However, people in these states will think as of today it is ok to sell/use it whenever they want because they are probably too high to understand that it really isn't legal yet....lol

[Panther Thunder]

This sure isn't the America I grew up with, who knows, maybe I am just too opposed to change. Either way, I am sick with the direction of the country, be it Democratic or Republican led. The citizens define the government and IMO, are doing a poor job.

I'm just thankful I had parents to influence me as opposed to society. And I hope I can do the same for my children, if I am so lucky to have some.

[TheRealVille]

This sure isn't the America I grew up with, who knows, maybe I am just too opposed to change. Either way, I am sick with the direction of the country, be it Democratic or Republican led. The citizens define the government and IMO, are doing a poor job.

I'm just thankful I had parents to influence me as opposed to society. And I hope I can do the same for my children, if I am so lucky to have some.

Here's a thought. Why don't you be who you are, and let everybody else be who they are? America is tired of letting the far right, or christian right( no offense to christians, America just wants you out of their personal business), dictate what they do in their personal lives. Until the republicans figure that out, they will be a miserable bunch. A blind man can see what went down last night.

[LWC]

Here's a thought. Why don't you be who you are, and let everybody else be who they are? America is tired of letting the far right, or christian right( no offense to christians, America just wants you out of their personal business), dictate what they do in their personal lives. Until the republicans figure that out, they will be a miserable bunch. A blind man can see what went down last night.

That sounds all fine and good, and I am just as big of a fan of personal liberty as the next person, when it is sensible. However, marijuana, alcohol, and other mind-altering substances have the power to affect/effect more than just the individual that uses them.

I always hear than marijuana has no real side effects that are dangerous. Let us clear that out of the way now. From WebMD:

Signs of using marijuana include:

Rapid heart rate
Increased blood pressure
Increased rate of breathing
Red eyes
Dry mouth
Increased appetite, or "the munchies"
Slowed reaction time
These effects are reduced after three or four hours. However, marijuana hangs around in your system for as long as a month after smoking. The lingering effects mean you're impaired for several days to weeks after the high wears off.

Psychological Effects of Marijuana

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the main effects of marijuana on mood vary and may include euphoria, calmness, anxiety, or paranoia. Getting high or "stoned" is the reason most pot smokers use marijuana.

Other short-term psychological effects of pot include:

Distorted sense of time
Paranoia
Magical or "random" thinking
Short-term memory loss
Anxiety and depression

I really do not want people that are paranoid, anxious, depressed and having slow reaction time driving down the road!

Also, if I allow you to smoke it, who is to say that you wont give it to my kids, or if you give it to someone and then they give it to kids.

I have no political problem with what you do at home with someone, what you watch at home, etc... however, when the actions you take LEAVE the home, it becomes a bigger problem.

I would have no problem with a legalization of weed/pot as long as their was a law that stated a person MUST stay in their home as long as it is in their system, however that is not sensible or realistic.

Obviously, I know people that smoke weed and often times they smoke it at home, lay around on the couch, eat cheetos and do stupid stuff. Nothing more and nothing less. However, everyone's body/mind is different.

[TheRealVille]

That sounds all fine and good, and I am just as big of a fan of personal liberty as the next person, when it is sensible. However, marijuana, alcohol, and other mind-altering substances have the power to affect/effect more than just the individual that uses them.

I always hear than marijuana has no real side effects that are dangerous. Let us clear that out of the way now. From WebMD:

I really do not want people that are paranoid, anxious, depressed and having slow reaction time driving down the road!

Also, if I allow you to smoke it, who is to say that you wont give it to my kids, or if you give it to someone and then they give it to kids.

I have no political problem with what you do at home with someone, what you watch at home, etc... however, when the actions you take LEAVE the home, it becomes a bigger problem.

I would have no problem with a legalization of weed/pot as long as their was a law that stated a person MUST stay in their home as long as it is in their system, however that is not sensible or realistic.

Obviously, I know people that smoke weed and often times they smoke it at home, lay around on the couch, eat cheetos and do stupid stuff. Nothing more and nothing less. However, everyone's body/mind is different.

You regulate it on the roads the same as you do alcohol, with DUI's. Weed leaves you about as fast, or faster than alcohol. You can do a mouth swab for up to several hours after they smoke, and it will show up. After that, the "effects" of weed are gone, the same as alcohol. The residue that stays in your fat cells for up to thirty days, is not making you high. You smoke a pretty potent joint, and in about 3-4 hours the buzz is leaving. Not long after it starts wearing off you are sober. For you other point, what makes alcohol any different as far as giving it to your kids, or giving it to someone that will give it to your kids?

[LWC]

^You know that I am consistent on substance issues. I would get rid of all alcohol too if I could. Not popular and I stand in a corner, but I don't back away from it. It shows that I would be a terrible politician, lol.

Also, does anyone ever smoke just one joint?

[TheRealVille]

^You know that I am consistent on substance issues. I would get rid of all alcohol too if I could. Not popular and I stand in a corner, but I don't back away from it. It shows that I would be a terrible politician, lol.

Also, does anyone ever smoke just one joint?

Believe it or not, the largest percentage of people that just smoke weed, do it like I did, just a toke or two, just to level out. You will always have younger people that try to get wasted, but they grow out of that pretty quick. When I smoked, it was always just a puff or two, in the privacy of my fenced in backyard. True pot only smokers almost hardly ever get "blistered".

[Hoot Gibson]

I have no problem with states passing laws such as this one. My problem is with the federal government sending armed thugs to enforce laws that should be passed (or not) and enforced (or not) at the state and local level. If there is no interstate commerce of drugs involved, let states decide how to regulate drugs within their own borders.

[OffTheHook]

^You know that I am consistent on substance issues. I would get rid of all alcohol too if I could. Not popular and I stand in a corner, but I don't back away from it. It shows that I would be a terrible politician, lol.

Also, does anyone ever smoke just one joint?

Yes. You would be VERY surprised at the amount of people that you know. That smoke it regularly. When I used to smoke it regularly back before I got my job I have now. We DIDN"T just sit on the couch eating Cheetos. We would get out of the house and take care of things around the house and it never altered our minds or freak us out. ALL Gov. Propaganda!

[judgementday]

I say let some states go forward with their legalization of it....then re-visit it after 2-3 years to see what the effects have been, good or bad.

Some of the affects listed can be associated with drinking too much diet pop so I can understand some of the reasoning.

However, I will never support it being legalized. I know that the comparison is being made between this and alcohol. But is that a fair comparison? Many people think it is OK to smoke a joint before going to work, or after school but those same people would never take a drink at those times. They also would never drink and drive but they have no problem with smoking a joint and then driving. IMO, many people see it in the same light as smoking a cigarette and that concerns me. You will never know if your doctor, bus driver, teacher, etc... is high. IMO you cannot treat weed as you do alcohol because everyone's perception of each one differs.

The case is also made that by regulating it, states will gain millions in tax dollars....I recall when Kentucky pushed for the lottery because it would help fund the education system. Yet, school systems still do not have the proper funding.

I think on paper this is a great idea (kind of like the IRS). But in reality, it will become a bigger problem than a solution.

[vundy33]

That sounds all fine and good, and I am just as big of a fan of personal liberty as the next person, when it is sensible. However, marijuana, alcohol, and other mind-altering substances have the power to affect/effect more than just the individual that uses them.

I always hear than marijuana has no real side effects that are dangerous. Let us clear that out of the way now. From WebMD:

I really do not want people that are paranoid, anxious, depressed and having slow reaction time driving down the road!

Also, if I allow you to smoke it, who is to say that you wont give it to my kids, or if you give it to someone and then they give it to kids.

I have no political problem with what you do at home with someone, what you watch at home, etc... however, when the actions you take LEAVE the home, it becomes a bigger problem.

I would have no problem with a legalization of weed/pot as long as their was a law that stated a person MUST stay in their home as long as it is in their system, however that is not sensible or realistic.

Obviously, I know people that smoke weed and often times they smoke it at home, lay around on the couch, eat cheetos and do stupid stuff. Nothing more and nothing less. However, everyone's body/mind is different.

To be perfectly honest man...go smoke a damn J before giving a dumb, biased opinion on it.

[Do-double-gg]

You regulate it on the roads the same as you do alcohol, with DUI's. Weed leaves you about as fast, or faster than alcohol. You can do a mouth swab for up to several hours after they smoke, and it will show up. After that, the "effects" of weed are gone, the same as alcohol. The residue that stays in your fat cells for up to thirty days, is not making you high. You smoke a pretty potent joint, and in about 3-4 hours the buzz is leaving. Not long after it starts wearing off you are sober. For you other point, what makes alcohol any different as far as giving it to your kids, or giving it to someone that will give it to your kids?

O yea and we see how that works out!!! It is estimated that in 2011, 10,228 people were killed in drunk driving accidents, over 200 of those were kids, over 1 million people were arrested and this is just the deaths that could be proven to be alcohol related. The true number is probably a little higher. So when we get people on the road nation wide with weed in their system(and they will get on the road) combined with alcohol will it be like 20,456 deaths????:please:

[BelfryJustice]

It appears that a lot more education is needed on this subject. I think it can do a lot of good for our country also. The money will stay in the country now, which is a lot if you do some research. There will have to be laws in place to control DUIs which would be the same as alcohol. Farmers will be added to the mix, taxes will help with current money issues this country faces and jails and prisons will no longer be wasting money to house pot smokers. We also know that pot can be used as medication for many issues as well. Light up and pay some taxes on your next bag!!! Colorado appears to be getting this one right. LOL

[Bob Seger]

To be perfectly honest man...go smoke a damn J before giving a dumb, biased opinion on it.

See what I mean Vundy. You are not capable of having a normal discussion with anybody. Isn't it ironic that the resident HOT HEAD is the one that gives everybody else advice on how to speak on this forum. You're a fine one to be a moderator.


Is LWC not allowed to have an opinion here without getting one of your patented profanity laced tirades for absolutely no reason at all?

[Ballers]

Marijuana is a drug and it is ILLEGAL in the state of KY.
So IMO, dumb move for these 2 states.
Never smoked, never gonna. Disgusting.

[WideRight05]

Ballers says, "I'll pass on the grass!"

[OffTheHook]

O yea and we see how that works out!!! It is estimated that in 2011, 10,228 people were killed in drunk driving accidents, over 200 of those were kids, over 1 million people were arrested and this is just the deaths that could be proven to be alcohol related. The true number is probably a little higher. So when we get people on the road nation wide with weed in their system(and they will get on the road) combined with alcohol will it be like 20,456 deaths????:please:

Talk a bout a statement to make you doubt. How bout this. Let's just BAN Cell Phones all together. Texting While Driving accidents out number DUIs now. It's the 1920's all over again!!!!!!! Except it's not "Reefer Madness".......


IT's "MOBILE MADNES" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheRealVille]

Marijuana is a drug and it is ILLEGAL in the state of KY.
So IMO, dumb move for these 2 states.
Never smoked, never gonna. Disgusting.

That's fine. Good for you. But, let everybody else make their own choices.

[nky]

Ky should jump on this right now. Become a toker tourist destination. Think about the taxes you can post on the stuff plus it will aid the farmers(someone has to grow it).
It will cut down on illegal activities and the state can focus on the really destructive drugs. Be willing to bet the pill problem being seen in certain parts of the state would drop as well.
Regulate, tax it, smoke on.
" Unbridled Smoking"

[TheRealThing]

Ky should jump on this right now. Become a toker tourist destination. Think about the taxes you can post on the stuff plus it will aid the farmers(someone has to grow it).
It will cut down on illegal activities and the state can focus on the really destructive drugs. Be willing to bet the pill problem being seen in certain parts of the state would drop as well.
Regulate, tax it, smoke on.
" Unbridled Smoking"

Here, here, nothing like a reefer induced stupor to rid one of the last vestiges of the fetters of reason. :biggrin:

[TheRealVille]

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and let the citizens decide if they want to smoke it. That's the funny thing, if someone else smokes, that doesn't mean you(being general) have to. Just one more thing that people try to regulate, to be able to tell them what they can or cannot do in private.

[TheRealVille]

Talk a bout a statement to make you doubt. How bout this. Let's just BAN Cell Phones all together. Texting While Driving accidents out number DUIs now. It's the 1920's all over again!!!!!!! Except it's not "Reefer Madness".......


IT's "MOBILE MADNES" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:Thumbs: Nothing like that good old temperance movement. That worked very well for them.

[TheRealThing]

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and let the citizens decide if they want to smoke it. That's the funny thing, if someone else smokes, that doesn't mean you(being general) have to. Just one more thing that people try to regulate, to be able to tell them what they can or cannot do in private.

You must have been proud of this post. You might live to see it legalized, who knows. And if that happens I'm sure we'll tax it. BTW that reminds me of the argument the casino/gambling lottery advocates have made with regard to legalizing that vice as well. The promise was that taxes from lottery sales would totally fund the shortfall of Kentucky's public school systems. As with the argument to legalize pot smoking, it all turned out to be a lot of 'smoke'. But, to get to your second point, the "regulate it" idea, which I find absurdly optimistic. How can we reasonably expect to regulate it after it is legal, if we can't begin to regulate it now while it is illegal?

[TheRealVille]

You must have been proud of this post. You might live to see it legalized, who knows. And if that happens I'm sure we'll tax it. BTW that reminds me of the argument the casino/gambling lottery advocates have made with regard to legalizing that vice as well. The promise was that taxes from lottery sales would totally fund the shortfall of Kentucky's public school systems. As with the argument to legalize pot smoking, it all turned out to be a lot of 'smoke'. But, to get to your second point, the "regulate it" idea, which I find absurdly optimistic. How can we reasonably expect to regulate it after it is legal, if we can't begin to regulate it now while it is illegal?

Just look to the temperance/prohibition days, and you can figure it out. BTW, how's that drug war working out?

[LWC]

Honestly, I do not believe that legalizing it will do any good. Why would someone willingly buy a taxed joint, when Bob down the road grows it out of his back yard and can sell it much cheaper?

[TheRealThing]

Just look to the temperance/prohibition days, and you can figure it out. BTW, how's that drug war working out?

IDK, I heard that the authorities said they couldn't regulate the amount of drugs pouring in across the border, LOL. I guess you went around and talked to those mean old drug cartel Hombres down there and they are all on board with this stuff, right? :eyeroll: In spite of all the rhetoric, from the DEA, ATF or the ICE , this Obama edition of the DOJ can't regulate drug traffic, or the drug traffickers, and haven't been able to for some time now. But, I will admit, if anybody can just blow la-la land into place, nobody could compete with the likes of this administration. :biggrin: