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11-14-2012, 01:50 AM
Well this took a while but, I have done the research and here is what the remaining teams in 1a look like. Now to get this was not by opinion or slight of hand. I went to Courier Journal and clicked on the Super 25 link. I used this computer because I couldn't use Litkenhous due to the fact that it is just Ky teams and several teams played out of state teams. It is important to know that these are rankings by state overall, not just their classes.
Mayfield #12
Warren Central #6 28-42
Madisonville N-H #75 63-21
Paducah Tilghman #53 42-21
Murray #48 38-14
Graves County #37 56-28
Marshall County #136 44-7
Fulton City #220 66-0
Fulton County #212 60-14
Russellville #109 27-7
Caldwell County #74 48-7
Caverna #213 56-6
Lou Holy Cross #159 38-14
Ky Country Day #106
Shawnee #206 35-9
Atherton #199 45-7
Waggener #179 60-26
Carroll County #144 29-39
Iroquois #166 28-13
Breckinridge County #208 46-8
Lou Holy Cross #159 22-7
Bethlehem #168 55-13
Caverna #213 48-6
Trimble County #221 49-0
Fulton City #220 62-14
Russellville #109 27-12
Beechwood #68
Simon Kenton #19 17-21
Holmes #54 21-33
Cov Holy Cross #128 54-21
Cov Catholic #10 6-41
Elizabethtown #181 37-12
Dixie Heights #61 33-28
Bellevue #130 49-20
Dayton #193 54-20
Ludlow #210 61-0
Newport Cent Cath #49 14-34
Bracken County #196 45-8
Paris #185 63-16
Frankfort #50
Newport #171 30-9
Rockcastle County #146 42-27
Green County #101 34-20
Franklin County #14 30-62
Western Hills #190 40-12
Lex Christian #91 43-14
Paris #185 38-0
Bracken County #196 66-0
Eminence #191 70-14
Danville #58 28-14
Ludlow #210 78-0
Bellevue #130 27-0
Fairview #69
West Carter #194 42-0
East Carter #164 32-17
Fleming Co #124 21-14
Casey Co #177 69-29
Greenup Co #197 72-0
Grove City, Oh #97 53-24
Paintsville #202 68-20
Raceland #92 40-27
Nicholas Co #158 36-7
Powell Co #175 53-12
Phelps #223 69-0
Nicholas Co #158 48-20
Pikeville #129
Harlan #135 21-41
Powell Co #175 53-12
Raceland #92 14-54
Sheldon Clark #141 34-48
Belfry #44 0-48
Swain Co, Nc #36 7-54
South Floyd #204 56-20
Phelps #223 54-8
Allen Cent #217 63-14
Shelby Valley #187 48-8
Paintsville #202 63-24
Raceland #92 26-20
Hazard #77
Clintwood, Va #63 23-17
Somerset #51 9-17
Lex Christian #51 20-27
Breathitt Co #38 7-15
Prestonburg #105 38-20
Harlan #135 56-19
Jenkins #209 42-14
Pineville #151 28-22
Sheldon Clark #141 50-28
Berea #201 62-18
Pineville #151 47-14
Williamsburg #71
Jelico, Tn #349 68-8
Harlan #135 36-0
Pineville #151 70-22
Leslie Co #154 42-13
Oneida, Tn #120 20-23
Allen Cent #217 54-6
Campbellsville #173 48-0
Berea #201 47-12
Lynn Camp #188 49-6
Oliver Springs, Tn #226 21-0
Jenkins #209 60-6
Harlan #135 34-15
Let the discussions begin.
Mayfield #12
Warren Central #6 28-42
Madisonville N-H #75 63-21
Paducah Tilghman #53 42-21
Murray #48 38-14
Graves County #37 56-28
Marshall County #136 44-7
Fulton City #220 66-0
Fulton County #212 60-14
Russellville #109 27-7
Caldwell County #74 48-7
Caverna #213 56-6
Lou Holy Cross #159 38-14
Ky Country Day #106
Shawnee #206 35-9
Atherton #199 45-7
Waggener #179 60-26
Carroll County #144 29-39
Iroquois #166 28-13
Breckinridge County #208 46-8
Lou Holy Cross #159 22-7
Bethlehem #168 55-13
Caverna #213 48-6
Trimble County #221 49-0
Fulton City #220 62-14
Russellville #109 27-12
Beechwood #68
Simon Kenton #19 17-21
Holmes #54 21-33
Cov Holy Cross #128 54-21
Cov Catholic #10 6-41
Elizabethtown #181 37-12
Dixie Heights #61 33-28
Bellevue #130 49-20
Dayton #193 54-20
Ludlow #210 61-0
Newport Cent Cath #49 14-34
Bracken County #196 45-8
Paris #185 63-16
Frankfort #50
Newport #171 30-9
Rockcastle County #146 42-27
Green County #101 34-20
Franklin County #14 30-62
Western Hills #190 40-12
Lex Christian #91 43-14
Paris #185 38-0
Bracken County #196 66-0
Eminence #191 70-14
Danville #58 28-14
Ludlow #210 78-0
Bellevue #130 27-0
Fairview #69
West Carter #194 42-0
East Carter #164 32-17
Fleming Co #124 21-14
Casey Co #177 69-29
Greenup Co #197 72-0
Grove City, Oh #97 53-24
Paintsville #202 68-20
Raceland #92 40-27
Nicholas Co #158 36-7
Powell Co #175 53-12
Phelps #223 69-0
Nicholas Co #158 48-20
Pikeville #129
Harlan #135 21-41
Powell Co #175 53-12
Raceland #92 14-54
Sheldon Clark #141 34-48
Belfry #44 0-48
Swain Co, Nc #36 7-54
South Floyd #204 56-20
Phelps #223 54-8
Allen Cent #217 63-14
Shelby Valley #187 48-8
Paintsville #202 63-24
Raceland #92 26-20
Hazard #77
Clintwood, Va #63 23-17
Somerset #51 9-17
Lex Christian #51 20-27
Breathitt Co #38 7-15
Prestonburg #105 38-20
Harlan #135 56-19
Jenkins #209 42-14
Pineville #151 28-22
Sheldon Clark #141 50-28
Berea #201 62-18
Pineville #151 47-14
Williamsburg #71
Jelico, Tn #349 68-8
Harlan #135 36-0
Pineville #151 70-22
Leslie Co #154 42-13
Oneida, Tn #120 20-23
Allen Cent #217 54-6
Campbellsville #173 48-0
Berea #201 47-12
Lynn Camp #188 49-6
Oliver Springs, Tn #226 21-0
Jenkins #209 60-6
Harlan #135 34-15
Let the discussions begin.
11-14-2012, 03:20 AM
This will be fun !!
11-14-2012, 03:53 AM
To bad none of this matters when it comes to Friday night.
11-14-2012, 07:51 AM
My bad, on Lex Christian on Hazard's schedule, it should say they are #91 not #51.
Gut, if you don't think this matters then you don't understand football. This body of work is what gets these teams prepared mentally and in some cases physically for what they will be seeing at this point in the season.
Gut, if you don't think this matters then you don't understand football. This body of work is what gets these teams prepared mentally and in some cases physically for what they will be seeing at this point in the season.
11-14-2012, 10:24 AM
I think to avoid all the time, expense and travel just give the trophy to Mayfield like last year when they were big favorites. Oh wait, they didn't win last year.
I don't have time but could you rank the other 5 classes also?
I don't have time but could you rank the other 5 classes also?
11-14-2012, 11:59 AM
Thanks for the info, very interesting.
11-14-2012, 02:52 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:Well this took a while but, I have done the research and here is what the remaining teams in 1a look like. Now to get this was not by opinion or slight of hand. I went to Courier Journal and clicked on the Super 25 link. I used this computer because I couldn't use Litkenhous due to the fact that it is just Ky teams and several teams played out of state teams. It is important to know that these are rankings by state overall, not just their classes.alute:mysonis55 thank you.for your hard work.but i see it different like :blondetea WILLIAMSBURG WINS 36 to 24moke: .
Mayfield #12
Warren Central #6 28-42
Madisonville N-H #75 63-21
Paducah Tilghman #53 42-21
Murray #48 38-14
Graves County #37 56-28
Marshall County #136 44-7
Fulton City #220 66-0
Fulton County #212 60-14
Russellville #109 27-7
Caldwell County #74 48-7
Caverna #213 56-6
Lou Holy Cross #159 38-14
Ky Country Day #106
Shawnee #206 35-9
Atherton #199 45-7
Waggener #179 60-26
Carroll County #144 29-39
Iroquois #166 28-13
Breckinridge County #208 46-8
Lou Holy Cross #159 22-7
Bethlehem #168 55-13
Caverna #213 48-6
Trimble County #221 49-0
Fulton City #220 62-14
Russellville #109 27-12
Beechwood #68
Simon Kenton #19 17-21
Holmes #54 21-33
Cov Holy Cross #128 54-21
Cov Catholic #10 6-41
Elizabethtown #181 37-12
Dixie Heights #61 33-28
Bellevue #130 49-20
Dayton #193 54-20
Ludlow #210 61-0
Newport Cent Cath #49 14-34
Bracken County #196 45-8
Paris #185 63-16
Frankfort #50
Newport #171 30-9
Rockcastle County #146 42-27
Green County #101 34-20
Franklin County #14 30-62
Western Hills #190 40-12
Lex Christian #91 43-14
Paris #185 38-0
Bracken County #196 66-0
Eminence #191 70-14
Danville #58 28-14
Ludlow #210 78-0
Bellevue #130 27-0
Fairview #69
West Carter #194 42-0
East Carter #164 32-17
Fleming Co #124 21-14
Casey Co #177 69-29
Greenup Co #197 72-0
Grove City, Oh #97 53-24
Paintsville #202 68-20
Raceland #92 40-27
Nicholas Co #158 36-7
Powell Co #175 53-12
Phelps #223 69-0
Nicholas Co #158 48-20
Pikeville #129
Harlan #135 21-41
Powell Co #175 53-12
Raceland #92 14-54
Sheldon Clark #141 34-48
Belfry #44 0-48
Swain Co, Nc #36 7-54
South Floyd #204 56-20
Phelps #223 54-8
Allen Cent #217 63-14
Shelby Valley #187 48-8
Paintsville #202 63-24
Raceland #92 26-20
Hazard #77
Clintwood, Va #63 23-17
Somerset #51 9-17
Lex Christian #51 20-27
Breathitt Co #38 7-15
Prestonburg #105 38-20
Harlan #135 56-19
Jenkins #209 42-14
Pineville #151 28-22
Sheldon Clark #141 50-28
Berea #201 62-18
Pineville #151 47-14
Williamsburg #71
Jelico, Tn #349 68-8
Harlan #135 36-0
Pineville #151 70-22
Leslie Co #154 42-13
Oneida, Tn #120 20-23
Allen Cent #217 54-6
Campbellsville #173 48-0
Berea #201 47-12
Lynn Camp #188 49-6
Oliver Springs, Tn #226 21-0
Jenkins #209 60-6
Harlan #135 34-15
Let the discussions begin.
11-14-2012, 07:32 PM
What do you see different 64. I didn't put anyone down. I promise you all this was not done to promote any team. I did a lot of work on this. I did it so you could make a good comparisons. I didn't intend for it to cause any of you any heart ache. A simple thanks would have been nice.
11-14-2012, 09:39 PM
I appreciate the info. Numbers have most of these teams pretty close other than Mayfield. Pikeville's numbers are a little skewed because they struggled early. Looking at the Raceland scores they are much better now. If these ranking were done based on how teams played the last month I'm sure they would fit right in there. I always struggle with these computer rankings because I see them on a regular basis were a team has traveled to another team and beat them soundly but are still ranked behind them. I have been looking at the Lit ratings for 30 years and this has always been an issue. The blow outs make it hard for a computer to calculate. If you are up 45-0 at the end of the 1st quarter and the score stays that way it would be calculated the same as a 45-0 game were the winning team scored 3 times in the 4th quarter.
11-14-2012, 11:27 PM
That is true to some extent E. I really don't think Pikeville wants anyone to think they are on the same level though. They play much better as an underdog. The Lit ratings usually start out a little skewed but, by the end of the seaon you can pretty well see they are almost dead on, on a regular basis. I would not by any means say that it is an exact science, after all that is why we play the games. There are lots of things that can happen between now and then to upset the work these computers have done as well. These things could be but are not limited to injuries, playing over your heads good, playing down to your competetion, a bad call, turnovers or even some field advantages. This is the best system we have for making comparisons though, without watching all the videos.
11-15-2012, 08:08 PM
I'll tak PHS because of tradition and their always ready deep in the playoffs! Same for Hazard! I think they will beat wburg comfortably! Good luck to both teams! No one will beat Mayfield IMHO! They should play up in class!
11-15-2012, 08:22 PM
Daddycat27 Wrote:I'll tak PHS because of tradition and their always ready deep in the playoffs! Same for Hazard! I think they will beat wburg comfortably! Good luck to both teams! No one will beat Mayfield IMHO! They should play up in class!
Well Hazard beat Mayfield last year so you can never tell what will happen. Maybe neither Hazard or Mayfield get to the carpet.
11-15-2012, 08:54 PM
mysonis55 Wrote:Well this took a while but, I have done the research and here is what the remaining teams in 1a look like. Now to get this was not by opinion or slight of hand. I went to Courier Journal and clicked on the Super 25 link. I used this computer because I couldn't use Litkenhous due to the fact that it is just Ky teams and several teams played out of state teams. It is important to know that these are rankings by state overall, not just their classes.
Mayfield #12
Warren Central #6 28-42
Madisonville N-H #75 63-21
Paducah Tilghman #53 42-21
Murray #48 38-14
Graves County #37 56-28
Marshall County #136 44-7
Fulton City #220 66-0
Fulton County #212 60-14
Russellville #109 27-7
Caldwell County #74 48-7
Caverna #213 56-6
Lou Holy Cross #159 38-14
Ky Country Day #106
Shawnee #206 35-9
Atherton #199 45-7
Waggener #179 60-26
Carroll County #144 29-39
Iroquois #166 28-13
Breckinridge County #208 46-8
Lou Holy Cross #159 22-7
Bethlehem #168 55-13
Caverna #213 48-6
Trimble County #221 49-0
Fulton City #220 62-14
Russellville #109 27-12
Beechwood #68
Simon Kenton #19 17-21
Holmes #54 21-33
Cov Holy Cross #128 54-21
Cov Catholic #10 6-41
Elizabethtown #181 37-12
Dixie Heights #61 33-28
Bellevue #130 49-20
Dayton #193 54-20
Ludlow #210 61-0
Newport Cent Cath #49 14-34
Bracken County #196 45-8
Paris #185 63-16
Frankfort #50
Newport #171 30-9
Rockcastle County #146 42-27
Green County #101 34-20
Franklin County #14 30-62
Western Hills #190 40-12
Lex Christian #91 43-14
Paris #185 38-0
Bracken County #196 66-0
Eminence #191 70-14
Danville #58 28-14
Ludlow #210 78-0
Bellevue #130 27-0
Fairview #69
West Carter #194 42-0
East Carter #164 32-17
Fleming Co #124 21-14
Casey Co #177 69-29
Greenup Co #197 72-0
Grove City, Oh #97 53-24
Paintsville #202 68-20
Raceland #92 40-27
Nicholas Co #158 36-7
Powell Co #175 53-12
Phelps #223 69-0
Nicholas Co #158 48-20
Pikeville #129
Harlan #135 21-41
Powell Co #175 53-12
Raceland #92 14-54
Sheldon Clark #141 34-48
Belfry #44 0-48
Swain Co, Nc #36 7-54
South Floyd #204 56-20
Phelps #223 54-8
Allen Cent #217 63-14
Shelby Valley #187 48-8
Paintsville #202 63-24
Raceland #92 26-20
Hazard #77
Clintwood, Va #63 23-17
Somerset #51 9-17
Lex Christian #51 20-27
Breathitt Co #38 7-15
Prestonburg #105 38-20
Harlan #135 56-19
Jenkins #209 42-14
Pineville #151 28-22
Sheldon Clark #141 50-28
Berea #201 62-18
Pineville #151 47-14
Williamsburg #71
Jelico, Tn #349 68-8
Harlan #135 36-0
Pineville #151 70-22
Leslie Co #154 42-13
Oneida, Tn #120 20-23
Allen Cent #217 54-6
Campbellsville #173 48-0
Berea #201 47-12
Lynn Camp #188 49-6
Oliver Springs, Tn #226 21-0
Jenkins #209 60-6
Harlan #135 34-15
Let the discussions begin.
Nice effort there bud. I found it to be interesting. Here is my perspective on that list. I know some don't believe in strength of schedule but I do. Here is something to take into consideration. The following are stats of number of regular season top 100 ranked teams only and their win/loss record against those teams.
Mayfield 6 5-1
KyCD 0 0-0
Beechwood 5 1-4
Frankfort 3 2-1
Fairview 2 2-0
Pikeville 3 0-3
Hazard 4 1-3
Williamsburg 0 0-0
I realize some teams may not have played top 100 teams because of their division or proximity but I think this breakdown is very telling. This post is not intended to discredit or flatter any certain teams.
11-15-2012, 11:38 PM
Smashmouth, I don't know if you caught my stats for Luke Guhy on the other site. He to this point has thrown 28 touchdowns and only 1 int. If you would have told me it was only one, I don't know that I would have bought that. If you remember his brother had already thrown 3 by this point in 2010. The more impressive thing about it is that he has done it against a tougher schedule this year. This year GC, Murray, Caldwell and Russellville were all up. We also had Warren Cent, which was tougher than any team we played during the regular season in 2010.
11-16-2012, 02:36 AM
Well Smashmouth, I was gonna take this one step further than your analysis, but this is what I came up with. It kind of depressed me actually. I thought 1a would fair better than this because we usually find a way to challenge the big boys, but here it is. This is what you get if you compare the records of these 8 teams against teams in the top 50:
Mayfield 3 2-1
Ky Country Day 0 0-0
Beechwood 2 0-2
Frankfort 1 0-1
Fairview 0 0-0
Pikeville 2 0-2
Hazard 1 0-1
Williamsburg 0 0-0
Mayfield 3 2-1
Ky Country Day 0 0-0
Beechwood 2 0-2
Frankfort 1 0-1
Fairview 0 0-0
Pikeville 2 0-2
Hazard 1 0-1
Williamsburg 0 0-0
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