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10-06-2012, 12:49 PM
long_time_pirate Wrote:One of the poorest officiated games (on both sides) that I've witnessed. Twice when Belfry was ready to score OR moving the ball and close to the endzone flags were thrown like crazy. I counted 6 facemasks that Ashland commited and only 1 was called. There were also a couple of calls made against Ashland that were questionable as well. I hate when the adults (cough-cough) officials just don't let the kids play.
Overall this was a great game and the Pirates now know what they need to fix or work on. They will be fine and move on to the next challenge.
As for fans being rude- yes I heard them myself but let me ask: How many Belfry players did you see laying on the field for more than 30 seconds (other than Johnson when he was injured) for cramps? Maybe Ashland needs to give those boys some pedalite the day before and day of the game and it would tremendously eliminate those cramps. I seem to also recall a Belfry player trying to help one of Ashland's players when he was down and cramping. Class, you better know it!
Yeah that was the kid who was down a while that he helped. I don't think the officials were that bad those false starts I saw before the refs threw the flags.
10-06-2012, 01:41 PM
ashland's players cramp up six times in the 2nd half you can say anything you want.
i say good coaching ashland.come on guys somebody reply on belfry icing thier own
kicker.carr misses to many ex. points to be kicking.belfry will not try to kick a other
player.robinson made his boo boos in the big game.zach has got burnt all year. i think
he lost a step with the weight he put on.not dowing the kids but come on coach this
is high school.(BELFRY WAS OUT COACHED)good coaching ashland.
i say good coaching ashland.come on guys somebody reply on belfry icing thier own
kicker.carr misses to many ex. points to be kicking.belfry will not try to kick a other
player.robinson made his boo boos in the big game.zach has got burnt all year. i think
he lost a step with the weight he put on.not dowing the kids but come on coach this
is high school.(BELFRY WAS OUT COACHED)good coaching ashland.
10-06-2012, 01:45 PM
People can say wht they want but the officating was "Game Changing", the pass interference in the 2nd quarter was "Game Changing", We are driving the ball down there throats in the 2nd half with a 15 play drive with momentum and all of of sudden they cramp up with a 15 minute delay, how many times did all a sudden a kid hits the dirt with cramps when we are sticking it to them and next play he returns with a miracalious recovery,"Game Changing". They break the huddle with 14 players with no penalty, our staff gets an unsportsmanlike penalty, "Game Changing". I call it like I see it and what I saw was alot of "HOME COOKING"
10-06-2012, 01:46 PM
I left feeling good about being a pirate! The one thing I wanted to see was how would these boys respond to being down against a good team again. Against Henry clay they gave up when things got tough, but against Ashland these boys rose to the challenge. I saw growth and that was the important thing. Ashland is a good team also, so there's no shame in losing to a good team. I also liked the fact that we finally split messer out and used him as a wr some. I like that we threw some quick pop passes Taylor and got our athletes the ball in open space. This team is very different than other belfry teams. They are loaded with athletes that you can throw those quick hitters. They are like an Italian sports car, but they are driving that sports car like a dump truck in my opinion. We have some work to do in the secondary, but I think we will be fine. I think coach Haywood has seen that fine sports car he has and I can hear the engine purring. We are going to ground and pound no doubt because no one else does it better, but he is slowly adding a wrinkle here and there and come playoff time we will be hitting on all cylinders. So keep thinking we are no good in pond creek because soon enough you all will get to see for yourselves. So come on down and we will be your huckleberry! WE ARE BELFRY
10-06-2012, 01:48 PM
How many procedure penalties did Belfry receive?
Home officiating does not help the Pirates when Belfry is not flagged for procedure or false start. Belfry is notorious for false starts every year, it is taught...."get off the ball"
Officials at CAM don't call it....When Belfry leaves the area or is in the playoffs, it always seems to be called. Just an observation.
Home officiating does not help the Pirates when Belfry is not flagged for procedure or false start. Belfry is notorious for false starts every year, it is taught...."get off the ball"
Officials at CAM don't call it....When Belfry leaves the area or is in the playoffs, it always seems to be called. Just an observation.
10-06-2012, 01:56 PM
Out coached? You could take some lesson's from those kids on class. Hopefully, you ARE a kid and not an adult.
I overheard an employee from Ashland Paul Blazer telling a lady about the "payment" of officials for each game. I don't mean their standard checks either. Wouldn't have believed it but actually saw who walked out with them (have seen them escorted out on different occasions as well) and now, I know what the man told her was the truth. The levels some will go to amazes me! I just wonder had they done their job the RIGHT way how the outcome of this game would have been? HUM???
I overheard an employee from Ashland Paul Blazer telling a lady about the "payment" of officials for each game. I don't mean their standard checks either. Wouldn't have believed it but actually saw who walked out with them (have seen them escorted out on different occasions as well) and now, I know what the man told her was the truth. The levels some will go to amazes me! I just wonder had they done their job the RIGHT way how the outcome of this game would have been? HUM???
10-06-2012, 02:01 PM
come on ice your own kicker
10-06-2012, 02:03 PM
Ok you say good coaching, well if that was coaching then it is unsportsmanlike and cheating on Ashland's part. Here is my thoughts about the cramping. First of all Ashland must do a much better job of hydrating their players. They had a couple of cramps in the first half and did they hydrate or IV them at the half? I don't know just asking. Second, what has Belfry fans ticked about the cramps is the timing and the length of time for the treatment of the cramps. I have followed sports all my life and have never seen it take anywhere near 5 minutes or longer to work on a cramp and if it can't be worked out you get the player to the sideline and get it worked out so the game can continue. Obviously, if it is a more serious injury then you must take more time. I have no problem with that. Third, Belfry is pounding Ashland's D Line in the 4th qtr, driving for the score to tie and Ashland has a huge injury timeout. It lasts forever. Both teams get to rest, but it was obvious that at that point in the game Ashland was sucking air bad. Belfry didn't want a break, Ashland needed it and got it, those things happen. And last on the cramps. Number 74 runs full speed toward the Ashland sideline between plays, goes down in a heap screaming, gets about 20 seconds of treatment then miraculously gets healed and walks off with no limp leading his team and the crowd in a big get fired up cheer!!! Enough about that now some game analysis.
10-06-2012, 02:03 PM
Ok you say good coaching, well if that was coaching then it is unsportsmanlike and cheating on Ashland's part. Here are my thoughts about the cramping. First of all Ashland must do a much better job of hydrating their players. They had a couple of cramps in the first half and did they hydrate or IV them at the half? I don't know just asking. Second, what has Belfry fans ticked about the cramps is the timing and the length of time for the treatment of the cramps. I have followed sports all my life and have never seen it take anywhere near 5 minutes or longer to work on a cramp and if it can't be worked out you get the player to the sideline and get it worked out so the game can continue. Obviously, if it is a more serious injury then you must take more time. I have no problem with that. Third, Belfry is pounding Ashland's D Line in the 4th qtr, driving for the score to tie and Ashland has a huge injury timeout. It lasts forever. Both teams get to rest, but it was obvious that at that point in the game Ashland was sucking air bad. Belfry didn't want a break, Ashland needed it and got it, those things happen. And last on the cramps. Number 74 runs full speed toward the Ashland sideline between plays, goes down in a heap screaming, gets about 20 seconds of treatment then miraculously gets healed and walks off with no limp leading his team and the crowd in a big get fired up cheer!!! Enough about that now some game analysis.
10-06-2012, 02:11 PM
I'm not taking up for Ashland in any way, but they got screwed pretty hard last year at Belfry. In terms of officiating, that was the worst officiated game I have seen other than a Cov Cath/Lex Cath game a few years ago. I've only been to Ashland's stadium a couple of times over the past 6-7 years, but both opponents I saw were squashes so I couldn't tell you anything about officiating there. However, if they won the game through "cheating officials," it serves you all right.
Anyone who would complain about a 15-18 year old kid cramping "not getting up fast enough" is just sick. Also, judging from what this person said, it looks like Belfry still had the ball and still had a chance to score.
It has to be difficult for Belfry fans losing to a team that won't make it past the second round in 4A, and as long as you have Central and Bell to deal with, you will never win a state title in 3A.
Anyone who would complain about a 15-18 year old kid cramping "not getting up fast enough" is just sick. Also, judging from what this person said, it looks like Belfry still had the ball and still had a chance to score.
It has to be difficult for Belfry fans losing to a team that won't make it past the second round in 4A, and as long as you have Central and Bell to deal with, you will never win a state title in 3A.
10-06-2012, 02:23 PM
all belfry fans knew the way the yellow would wave.you are playing at putnam.
right or wrong that was smart and good coaching.the refs. was a big part of ashland's
good coaching.i have been to many games at putnam.in a close game you will be out
coached.the refs will take care of that.but after the fact. belfry iced thier own kicker
right or wrong that was smart and good coaching.the refs. was a big part of ashland's
good coaching.i have been to many games at putnam.in a close game you will be out
coached.the refs will take care of that.but after the fact. belfry iced thier own kicker
10-06-2012, 02:49 PM
WideRight05 Wrote:I'm not taking up for Ashland in any way, but they got screwed pretty hard last year at Belfry. In terms of officiating, that was the worst officiated game I have seen other than a Cov Cath/Lex Cath game a few years ago. I've only been to Ashland's stadium a couple of times over the past 6-7 years, but both opponents I saw were squashes so I couldn't tell you anything about officiating there. However, if they won the game through "cheating officials," it serves you all right.
Anyone who would complain about a 15-18 year old kid cramping "not getting up fast enough" is just sick. Also, judging from what this person said, it looks like Belfry still had the ball and still had a chance to score.
It has to be difficult for Belfry fans losing to a team that won't make it past the second round in 4A, and as long as you have Central and Bell to deal with, you will never win a state title in 3A.
I know your reputation, I know your great at trolling. However, last years 3A state title game was the game of the weekend in the eyes of many. Belfry should have hoisted the title and didn't because of one amazing Central pass. I will take that kind of game every single year. Amazing football, great class on the field win or lose and a fan base that loves you whether you are 10-0 or 0-10. Belfry has been in the game 2 of the 3 times Central beat them at State. You can keep your Highlands and your Trinitys I'll take Pirate brand of football every single time.
10-06-2012, 02:50 PM
free ride Wrote:all belfry fans knew the way the yellow would wave.you are playing at putnam.
right or wrong that was smart and good coaching.the refs. was a big part of ashland's
good coaching.i have been to many games at putnam.in a close game you will be out
coached.the refs will take care of that.but after the fact. belfry iced thier own kicker
Issue is really that the kicker didn't change into his kicking shoe. For some reason he hasn't been using it on XP only kickoffs.
10-06-2012, 02:52 PM
Belfry Freak Wrote:People can say wht they want but the officating was "Game Changing", the pass interference in the 2nd quarter was "Game Changing", We are driving the ball down there throats in the 2nd half with a 15 play drive with momentum and all of of sudden they cramp up with a 15 minute delay, how many times did all a sudden a kid hits the dirt with cramps when we are sticking it to them and next play he returns with a miracalious recovery,"Game Changing". They break the huddle with 14 players with no penalty, our staff gets an unsportsmanlike penalty, "Game Changing". I call it like I see it and what I saw was alot of "HOME COOKING"yeah that was. Legit pass interference. You can't lower your head never raise your hand for the ball or look at it and level the receiver before the ball arrives pretty easy call actually.
10-06-2012, 02:56 PM
Man quit bitching about the officials. They didn't fumble a punt they didn't fumble on the final drive. They didn't break down in pass coverage. And they didn't break down in pass protection. The officials didn't beat you a very good football team did.
10-06-2012, 03:01 PM
bucslover68 Wrote:Ok you say good coaching, well if that was coaching then it is unsportsmanlike and cheating on Ashland's part. Here are my thoughts about the cramping. First of all Ashland must do a much better job of hydrating their players. They had a couple of cramps in the first half and did they hydrate or IV them at the half? I don't know just asking. Second, what has Belfry fans ticked about the cramps is the timing and the length of time for the treatment of the cramps. I have followed sports all my life and have never seen it take anywhere near 5 minutes or longer to work on a cramp and if it can't be worked out you get the player to the sideline and get it worked out so the game can continue. Obviously, if it is a more serious injury then you must take more time. I have no problem with that. Third, Belfry is pounding Ashland's D Line in the 4th qtr, driving for the score to tie and Ashland has a huge injury timeout. It lasts forever. Both teams get to rest, but it was obvious that at that point in the game Ashland was sucking air bad. Belfry didn't want a break, Ashland needed it and got it, those things happen. And last on the cramps. Number 74 runs full speed toward the Ashland sideline between plays, goes down in a heap screaming, gets about 20 seconds of treatment then miraculously gets healed and walks off with no limp leading his team and the crowd in a big get fired up cheer!!! Enough about that now some game analysis.
I saw that as well coach love told him to get down cause he couldn't get off the field he was cramping so bad it would've been a penalty. Good awareness that any coach would've done. Also Cade is so emotional that's normal behavior on every play for him he is just a high motor kid.
10-06-2012, 03:06 PM
Both Ashland and Belfry have great teams. So why do the fans from both schools make so many excuses for getting beat! So remember this Belfry blames the officals so did Ashland when Ironton beat them.
10-06-2012, 03:12 PM
Evil Eye Wrote:Both Ashland and Belfry have great teams. So why do the fans from both schools make so many excuses for getting beat! So remember this Belfry blames the officals so did Ashland when Ironton beat them.I said Ashland lost that Ironton game cause we quit running the ball and turnovers and bad protection killed us. I'm a firm believer officials don't beat you.
10-06-2012, 03:22 PM
Read your post on 9-16-2012:devilflam
10-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Belfry fans need to accept the loss to a good team and stop looking for excuses. It was a good game and fans got their moneys worth. That kills me about some belfry fans! If we lose "that loss was just what we needed" or "officiating was horrible." It's never "we just got beat by a better team tonight." Ashland has a good team and some of you need to suck it up, accept the loss, and congratulate those kids on a good win. They made the plays when they needed to and that doesn't make us a bad team, but it makes us bad sports when you can't lose with as much class as you win with. Practice what you preach pond creek.
10-06-2012, 03:30 PM
I'd like to give myself some props! Read post #25 or so by yours truly. No blaming the officiating --- giving props to Ashland on making big plays --- and trying to highlight some of the good stuff Belfry did.
Can I get a standing ovation please? nicker::blabbermo
Can I get a standing ovation please? nicker::blabbermo
10-06-2012, 04:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-06-2012, 06:52 PM by Panther Thunder.)
There were no losers tonight. Ashland got the W, no doubt but both teams got a hard fought game against a worthy opponent. Belfry showed heart, and didn't quit just the way we wanted. Sani came up clutch, and that's exactly why this is the kid I want at QB when it's clutch time. He's a confident, cool headed kid, and has his own kind of swagger on the field. I hate a loss but we learned a lot this week and it will prepare us moving forward. We played tight a VERY good 4A squad without Hatfield and Johnson. Definitely impressive. Ashland is really good, congrats to you guys. Also, I think Zach Thackers build makes him more of a safety. Perhaps a move should be considered and Taylor or Huddle given a chance at corner. I'm no expert though.
10-06-2012, 04:44 PM
tomcatfan722000 Wrote:yeah that was. Legit pass interference. You can't lower your head never raise your hand for the ball or look at it and level the receiver before the ball arrives pretty easy call actually.
YEA OK!!!!:please:
10-06-2012, 04:49 PM
Evil Eye Wrote:Read your post on 9-16-2012:devilflam
Yeah I said he refs missed a call on an Ironton td in the first half. I also said if Ashland doesn't miss tackles the ref can never miss the call later in the run. I also said Ashland lost by missing open receivers and not executing please do try again though sir.
10-06-2012, 04:51 PM
This was a good game for Ashland. They need to be pushed. Unfortunately, I see that they regress to playing Greenup County, probably the worst Class 4A team in the state, next Friday. I know it is a district game but it won't help the cause. It is like my Bluebirds having to play Pendleton County.
10-06-2012, 04:55 PM
Harry Rex Vonner Wrote:This was a good game for Ashland. They need to be pushed. Unfortunately, I see that they regress to playing Greenup County, probably the worst Class 4A team in the state, next Friday. I know it is a district game but it won't help the cause. It is like my Bluebirds having to play Pendleton County.The best thing about this game was Ashland won it without there main horse in baker. Great confidence builder to beat a solid team without there number one playmaker. Great job by Massey,Elam, and Salow to step up and make things happen.
10-06-2012, 04:57 PM
Belfry Freak Wrote:People can say wht they want but the officating was "Game Changing", the pass interference in the 2nd quarter was "Game Changing", We are driving the ball down there throats in the 2nd half with a 15 play drive with momentum and all of of sudden they cramp up with a 15 minute delay, how many times did all a sudden a kid hits the dirt with cramps when we are sticking it to them and next play he returns with a miracalious recovery,"Game Changing". They break the huddle with 14 players with no penalty, our staff gets an unsportsmanlike penalty, "Game Changing". I call it like I see it and what I saw was alot of "HOME COOKING"
I'd say WE will see plenty "home cookin'" on Nov.16th.:thatsfunn
10-06-2012, 06:24 PM
WideRight05 Wrote:I'm not taking up for Ashland in any way, but they got screwed pretty hard last year at Belfry. In terms of officiating, that was the worst officiated game I have seen other than a Cov Cath/Lex Cath game a few years ago. I've only been to Ashland's stadium a couple of times over the past 6-7 years, but both opponents I saw were squashes so I couldn't tell you anything about officiating there. However, if they won the game through "cheating officials," it serves you all right.If you didnt see the game why even post on something you know nothing about?Every team has their ups and downs with refs not just Belfry fans.Yes Belfry still had the ball but you dont know crap about the momentum change because of a breather Ashland got from that break that changed the drive.I will say it with my head held high they faked cramps cause they were getting it handed to them.Now that said Belfry played hard to get back into the game.Had more total yards more first downs and yes more penalties.Think about this Belfry got down early faught back to basicaly tie the game and had every chance to win againt a Good Ashland team so I would say that a 4A team could only squeak out a win against 3A Belfry even with all Belfry mistakes and Ashland fake cramps to stop Belfry Drives.Belfry may not beat Bell or Central but unlike a sissy like you who would obiviously lay down and cry cause "YOU CANT WIN SO YOU QUIT"We will hold our heads high because "WE ARE BELFRY"
Anyone who would complain about a 15-18 year old kid cramping "not getting up fast enough" is just sick. Also, judging from what this person said, it looks like Belfry still had the ball and still had a chance to score.
It has to be difficult for Belfry fans losing to a team that won't make it past the second round in 4A, and as long as you have Central and Bell to deal with, you will never win a state title in 3A.
10-06-2012, 06:38 PM
red&white Wrote:If you didnt see the game why even post on something you know nothing about?Every team has their ups and downs with refs not just Belfry fans.Yes Belfry still had the ball but you dont know crap about the momentum change because of a breather Ashland got from that break that changed the drive.I will say it with my head held high they faked cramps cause they were getting it handed to them.Now that said Belfry played hard to get back into the game.Had more total yards more first downs and yes more penalties.Think about this Belfry got down early faught back to basicaly tie the game and had every chance to win againt a Good Ashland team so I would say that a 4A team could only squeak out a win against 3A Belfry even with all Belfry mistakes and Ashland fake cramps to stop Belfry Drives.Belfry may not beat Bell or Central but unlike a sissy like you who would obiviously lay down and cry cause "YOU CANT WIN SO YOU QUIT"We will hold our heads high because "WE ARE BELFRY"
This game doesn't take rocket science. Ashland won, Belfry lost. Big. I know something about that.
Faking cramps though? Seriously, faking cramps? Faking cramps?? A team faking cramps??? Should somebody get cramped, the team on the opposite side of you gets the same amount of "break time" that you did. For Belfry, I guess that's more time figuring out how to choke the game away.
I'm stealing Zaga Fan's quote again..."Ah boys...."
Nice punctuation by the way. Remember to space after periods, and faught is fought. Is that the edumication that is taught at Belfry? :lmao: nicker:
10-06-2012, 06:50 PM
WideRight05 Wrote:This game doesn't take rocket science. Ashland won, Belfry lost. Big. I know something about that.I'm going to pray for wide right to stop his trolling ways. SERIOUSLY! LOL
Faking cramps though? Seriously, faking cramps? Faking cramps?? A team faking cramps??? Should somebody get cramped, the team on the opposite side of you gets the same amount of "break time" that you did. For Belfry, I guess that's more time figuring out how to choke the game away.
I'm stealing Zaga Fan's quote again..."Ah boys...."
Nice punctuation by the way. Remember to space after periods, and faught is fought. Is that the edumication that is taught at Belfry? :lmao: nicker:
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