[RunItUpTheGut]

I think you did.
I was just clearing up any confusion. They were in the same district for a long time.

Very true.
I wish they were in the same district.
Id much rather see them then Campbellsville and Berea.

[nannook]

i was at the whs game and watched the film. and i distinctly remember williamsburg being inside the ten at least 7 times (in the first half) just being outmatched in maturity really prevented williamsburg from scoring but u acting like hazard dominated that first half is hilarious and the fact that hazard as you say felt lik they could go the second half and not score is even more hilarious(stupid)

Williamsburg will be loaded on offense. They were able to move the ball on Hazard last year but I don't remember them having 7 possessions inside the 20. I think they had 1 drive inside the 20 and on another they had a pass intercepted in the end zone but didn’t actually cross the twenty on that drive.. Hazard shut it down in the second half, running the clock. They wanted to get out of there without any injuries. They knew they didn’t need any more points with Sizemore out.

light years?? really? williamsburg held the almighty bulldogs to 28 points and pikeville gave hazard a better game than mayfield did in state so ur comment on being light years away is to far.

Disagree. IMO Pikeville did not play Hazard tougher than Mayfield. Pikeville had a 19-7 lead on Hazard but after that Hazard outscored Pikeville 50-16. Other than the first quarter Hazard dominated Pikeville. Mayfield game was still a close in the fourth quarter.

Hazard will be loaded at the skill positions again, but will have a young line. This is where Harlan and Williamsburg could have an advantage on Hazard. Another poster said it will be key for Harlan to win the regular season match up with Hazard. I agree, if they do that, they win district and home field advantage. Plus Hazard would have to travel to Williamsburg for the second round.

[Micro-Brew]

Good post Nanook. I agree on the Pikeville/Hazard game. Pikeville matched up skill wise with Hazard, but Hazard ran the football at will and stuffed Pikevilles running game. It was obvious who won the line of scrimmage and 9 times out of 10 whoever wins the LOS wins the game. Look forward to the upcoming matchups with all 3 of these teams next season.

[HDE]

Harlan isn't as big and strong as usual. They have to improve up front to win a district or regional championship.

[Jughead07]

Sizemore wasn't playing QB first game.

[Tobin Frost]

Agree with Jug...'Burg better with Sizemore. Just trying not to get a big head and underestimate an opponent. Take away the 4 turnovers (on which Sizemore did capitalize), with both teams playing their best, and it is a fairly even matchup.

[tvtimeout]

Is the W'Burg in the weightroom, I thought most of their players play both basketball and baseball, which is good and bad...but that is hearsay...just trying to confirm

[footballfever]

Is the W'Burg in the weightroom, I thought most of their players play both basketball and baseball, which is good and bad...but that is hearsay...just trying to confirm

Weightroom is full. Coach Herron does an awesome job in the weightroom. Some players do play more than 1 sport and the great thing about Williamsburg is all coaches encourage it and work together. Kids who play other sports are given weight lifting time before or after practices.

[harlanfan0987]

Williamsburg is a great team, not sure how their lifting process is going but, at last months maxouts Harlan had 10 over 300 on squats, 7 over 200 on power cleans. ( 2 over 260, 1 over 300). I cant recall how many over 200 on bench, but quite a few, as well as a couple over 300. Proud of the hard work they're exhibiting in the weightroom.

[PHSForever]

Williamsburg will be loaded on offense. They were able to move the ball on Hazard last year but I don't remember them having 7 possessions inside the 20. I think they had 1 drive inside the 20 and on another they had a pass intercepted in the end zone but didn’t actually cross the twenty on that drive.. Hazard shut it down in the second half, running the clock. They wanted to get out of there without any injuries. They knew they didn’t need any more points with Sizemore out.



Disagree. IMO Pikeville did not play Hazard tougher than Mayfield. Pikeville had a 19-7 lead on Hazard but after that Hazard outscored Pikeville 50-16. Other than the first quarter Hazard dominated Pikeville. Mayfield game was still a close in the fourth quarter.

Hazard will be loaded at the skill positions again, but will have a young line. This is where Harlan and Williamsburg could have an advantage on Hazard. Another poster said it will be key for Harlan to win the regular season match up with Hazard. I agree, if they do that, they win district and home field advantage. Plus Hazard would have to travel to Williamsburg for the second round.

Have to disagree with this bolded part a little bit. First, with 7 minutes left in the game (in other words, the 4th qtr), Hazard was only ahead 43-35 so it was still very close, and it was 22-22 at the half. Secondly, how many points did Pikeville put up versus Hazard? How many did Mayfield put up? Overall, Pikeville played Hazard much tougher than Mayfield. Had an excellent game plan and executed it offensively and on special teams. Too many breakdowns on defense and at the LOS, plus one particular dropped TD catch right before the half that I personally felt would have put all the momentum on Pikeville's side. I hated that for the young man, tough but catchable throw.

As for the Mayfield game, yes, it was closer, but it was also fairly obvious from about the 2nd/3rd qtr on who was really the better team on the field, just had some missed opportunities on Hazard's end that kept it from being a total blowout over Mayfield.

[Jughead07]

hope they not putting on to much mass because it was lack of speed that killed them against Williamsburg.

[harlanfan0987]

It wasnt the speed that killed them, they just didnt show up to play. They have 5 with a 4.7 or 4.6 40, about 10 total with 4.9 or better. Speed is fine.

[Noble]

Hazard, Harlan, Williamsburg, Pikeville, Fairview, Raceland. The team that has the least injuries will do the best. Injuries to 1A Mountain teams are devastating.

[PHSForever]

Hazard, Harlan, Williamsburg, Pikeville, Fairview, Raceland. The team that has the least injuries will do the best. Injuries to 1A Mountain teams are devastating.

Is the bolded your order of ranking? If so, I'd have to disagree. As it stands right now, I would have it Hazard, Williamsburg, Pikeville, Harlan, Raceland, and then Fairview. The rest I agree with, 1A teams usually have the least margin for tolerating injuries. Major ones, not the little nicks and dings of a season, every team deals with those. But Hazard remains my #1 until someone beats them, Williamsburg is #2 due to returning numbers and the benefit of a year of experience under their belts. Pikeville is #3 right now due to losing Maynard and Vanhoose (big field position weapon), but they have made excellent progress in the weight room, and bring back an excellent offensive core with Hall, Estep, etc. If someone steps up at QB, they will be dangerous.

[Dietpepsidrinker]

All of these programs are on solid ground, but you have to give the nod to the one has won....and you are only as good as your last game, so you have to give the nod to Hazard.

You can say that in the past if this or that would have happened but production is the key, once again you have to give the nod to Hazard.

Although I will say this, 12 is a new season and no one person can guess how teams will react to new chemistry with new teammates and all the hurdles that they will face this season.

I am looking forward to some great games from all of these teams.

[Big Five-0-]

Is the bolded your order of ranking? If so, I'd have to disagree. As it stands right now, I would have it Hazard, Williamsburg, Pikeville, Harlan, Raceland, and then Fairview. The rest I agree with, 1A teams usually have the least margin for tolerating injuries. Major ones, not the little nicks and dings of a season, every team deals with those. But Hazard remains my #1 until someone beats them, Williamsburg is #2 due to returning numbers and the benefit of a year of experience under their belts. Pikeville is #3 right now due to losing Maynard and Vanhoose (big field position weapon), but they have made excellent progress in the weight room, and bring back an excellent offensive core with Hall, Estep, etc. If someone steps up at QB, they will be dangerous.

Sure would like to see someone step up at QB, as well as a couple of good linemen. This offensive group has a lot of speed and quickness about them, and they are going to be fun to watch. Caleb Campoy and Cage Morrison should be two real good stand outs on the line of scrimmage.

[harlanfan0987]

IMO, I honestly dont see how everyone is doubting harlan. They are much bigger and stronger than in any years past. They have put in a completely new defensive package along with a new offensive playbook, they still have a grudge out for wburg. While williamsburg rolled over them in the playoffs, look at how many starters were out and harlan just didnt come to play. Along with pikeville, losing maynard will be a huge loss to them, but i see harlan rolling past them in the season opener. Plus, the special teams are loaded with skilled athletes. Harlan will be one of the top teams to beat in 1a play, williamsburg is already talking about state, but they must get past harlan first, which will be a huge obstacle that i dont see them tackling.

[PHSForever]

IMO, I honestly dont see how everyone is doubting harlan. They are much bigger and stronger than in any years past. They have put in a completely new defensive package along with a new offensive playbook, they still have a grudge out for wburg. While williamsburg rolled over them in the playoffs, look at how many starters were out and harlan just didnt come to play. Along with pikeville, losing maynard will be a huge loss to them, but i see harlan rolling past them in the season opener. Plus, the special teams are loaded with skilled athletes. Harlan will be one of the top teams to beat in 1a play, williamsburg is already talking about state, but they must get past harlan first, which will be a huge obstacle that i dont see them tackling.

No doubt Harlan is very good and will be good this year, but "rolling" over Pikeville? Don't see it happening right now. Pikeville still has a ton of skill athletes and like Five O said, Campoy and Morrison anchoring the lines. Like what I'm seeing from the weight room program, definite mass and body changes in several of the key returnees. Also, don't forget the Hall kid at RB, Estep at WR, etc. I have Harlan behind Pikeville in my rankings because, like Hazard, until someone beats them, they are #1. Pikeville beat Harlan twice last year, and I won't move Harlan in front until and IF Harlan beats them. Just saying. Not hating on Harlan at all.

[harlanfan0987]

No doubt Harlan is very good and will be good this year, but "rolling" over Pikeville? Don't see it happening right now. Pikeville still has a ton of skill athletes and like Five O said, Campoy and Morrison anchoring the lines. Like what I'm seeing from the weight room program, definite mass and body changes in several of the key returnees. Also, don't forget the Hall kid at RB, Estep at WR, etc. I have Harlan behind Pikeville in my rankings because, like Hazard, until someone beats them, they are #1. Pikeville beat Harlan twice last year, and I won't move Harlan in front until and IF Harlan beats them. Just saying. Not hating on Harlan at all.

True, but in the opening game last season (at pikeville i might add), it was tied 14-14, i recall harlan scoring 3 times and getting it called back over something stupid. with those called back, and a turnover, put pikeville in the red zone and they capitalized. with those 3 scores it should have been 35-21. I do see harlan beating them this year, especially at harlan.

[Tobin Frost]

Is an interesting debate, and the good news is that Harlan plays all 3 (Wburg, Pikeville, Hazard) and will get a chance to prove things. Still, for now, any notion of "rolling" on Pikeville, or W'burg needing to "get past" Harlan (after a regional final appearance) is a bit much.

-Harlan has O line questions, but gets Pikeville at home.
-Pikeville has QB questions but has beaten Harlan twice in a row (yes, Harlan had a TD catch wrongly ruled incomplete, but that just makes it 21-21 and overtime).
-Could go either way in my view, just like the Wburg game, since both teams return pretty much all their backs/receivers, and the scores of both games last year exactly reflected the turnovers for both teams.

[PHSForever]

Is an interesting debate, and the good news is that Harlan plays all 3 (Wburg, Pikeville, Hazard) and will get a chance to prove things. Still, for now, any notion of "rolling" on Pikeville, or W'burg needing to "get past" Harlan (after a regional final appearance) is a bit much.

-Harlan has O line questions, but gets Pikeville at home.
-Pikeville has QB questions but has beaten Harlan twice in a row (yes, Harlan had a TD catch wrongly ruled incomplete, but that just makes it 21-21 and overtime).
-Could go either way in my view, just like the Wburg game, since both teams return pretty much all their backs/receivers, and the scores of both games last year exactly reflected the turnovers for both teams.

The "TD catch" happened directly in front of me, correct call. I will give credit where it is due, but on that one, the refs got it right. That first game was a dandy indeed.

[Tobin Frost]

Probably not a useful debate a year later, and I was just there to watch a good game, but we could be discussing two different "catches". 4th down, sliding catch, could have been a 'trap' as called. 3rd down, though, play right before, same corner of the field...kid caught it at the 2, turned, ran 4 yards into the end zone and dropped the ball when hit. Looked easily past the goal line. I could see (1) catch and TD or (2) catch and fumble, but (3) ref saying incomplete made no sense. Again, was a great game.

[harlanfan0987]

Everyone does have different opinions, yet harlan is craving for pikeville, them and williamsburg are the main teams harlan is wanting shots at. I think they will get their shot and capitalize

[HDE]

IMO, I honestly dont see how everyone is doubting harlan. They are much bigger and stronger than in any years past. They have put in a completely new defensive package along with a new offensive playbook, they still have a grudge out for wburg. While williamsburg rolled over them in the playoffs, look at how many starters were out and harlan just didnt come to play. Along with pikeville, losing maynard will be a huge loss to them, but i see harlan rolling past them in the season opener. Plus, the special teams are loaded with skilled athletes. Harlan will be one of the top teams to beat in 1a play, williamsburg is already talking about state, but they must get past harlan first, which will be a huge obstacle that i dont see them tackling.

How are the other teams supposed to know Harlan is bigger and stronger until they see them play? They just know what they saw at the end of the year last year.
I agree Harlan has its best shot in several years, but Williamsburg and Hazard will be ranked ahead and should be ranked ahead of them until something changes on the field. Williamsburg brings back 21 starters and improved during the course of the season a year ago. Hazard has most of its key skilled people back.
Harlan has a very good group of skilled people back but lost a couple of linemen and that was a problem area last year. That area will have to improve to compete for a district and/or regional title.

[dragon]

Tired of hearing about how harlan cant possibly beat wburg ..... the first time they met i know sizemore didnt start so ill give ya that but harlan still won by 3 scores shoulda been 4 but wburg scored on last second...... and we manhandled wburg.......... the second game harlan didnt have ryan jones starting outside linebacker against wburg , casey gambrel starting fullback and defensive end against wburg, dalton overbay starting middle line backer aginst wburg, christian turbyfill starting line backer and guard, and to other important defensive players and speacial teams players stephen anderson and ryland atkins were hurt in 1st quarter.... so lets just see what happens when harlan rolls in there next year...

[PHSForever]

Probably not a useful debate a year later, and I was just there to watch a good game, but we could be discussing two different "catches". 4th down, sliding catch, could have been a 'trap' as called. 3rd down, though, play right before, same corner of the field...kid caught it at the 2, turned, ran 4 yards into the end zone and dropped the ball when hit. Looked easily past the goal line. I could see (1) catch and TD or (2) catch and fumble, but (3) ref saying incomplete made no sense. Again, was a great game.

As I recall it, I think the 3rd down catch he said he was juggling the ball? I honestly don't remember what he signaled, so I can't say for sure. But the 4th down was definitely a trapped ball. Clear as the light of day. Now that you've pointed out what you were referring to, yeah, I can see the debate/confusion about that one. But no matter what, it was an excellent game and I am not trying to take anything away from Harlan. Just saying let's play the games and see the results. Looking forward to it!

[Big Five-0-]

One thing's for sure, shouldn't be an empty seat in the house.