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05-01-2012, 01:44 PM
An abysmal shooting performance brought on by Georgetowns speed and athleticism. You don't have to block a shot to change a shot and you don't have to have a high number of turnovers to get an offense out of rhythm.
It's no media perpetuated myth. I watched that game.
It's no media perpetuated myth. I watched that game.
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05-01-2012, 01:57 PM
FBALL Wrote:An abysmal shooting performance brought on by Georgetowns speed and athleticism. You don't have to block a shot to change a shot and you don't have to have a high number of turnovers to get an offense out of rhythm.
It's no media perpetuated myth. I watched that game.
Doesn't sound like you watched, you were seeing things that didn't
happen. UK was missing as many wide open shots as they were
contested ones. Gtown's "speed and athleticism" came in to
play when they were able to turn the other team over. It
was a big part of their offense because they were a very
pedestrian offensive team. They weren't turning UK over.
UK was getting good shots, and they just wouldn't fall.
05-01-2012, 02:07 PM
FBALL Wrote:Actually we claimed UNLV 91 as best ever. 84 Georgetown I through in there as being better than the 96 Cats not best ever.
That's beyond Absurd. Vegas '91 lost to a CHUMP Duke team.
'92 Duke is exagerated, but they WERE at least the best team
that year. 91 Duke was borderline top 10. And had no business
beating that Vegas team, yet Vegas still choked it up to
them, and you want to declare them the best ever? COME ON!.
But even if they HAD won, they still don't approach 96 UK in
the overall comparison. They couldn't have pressed '96 UK,
and those Cats would have overwhelmed them in the half court
set on both ends.
One thing that might help you to remember is, that NBA careers
have NO bearing upon collegiate play. It's somewhat instructive
that teams have certain amounts of talent good enough to
eventually paly in the NBA, but is doesn't EQUATE to what
the sum of the teams' parts are in college. The basketball IQ,
team wide passing ability, overall court awareness and effectiveness
working an offense and defense together of the '96 team,
HAS NO EQUAL in the 64 team era. It was a team that
could press you put of the gym, or set up in half court and
bury you. They could drop 20 on you out off the break before
you could blink, or set up and run offense and carve you up
like surgeons. There is NO COMPARISON.
Absurd only to a couple of you. Vegas was a monumental upset away from back to back as well. So they both did win a national championship. I am as big of a UK fan as anybody but the 96 team is not better than some of these teams mentioned.
Yes I watched it. Yes that Georgetown team was better. I don't need to make excuses for them.
Yes I watched it. Yes that Georgetown team was better. I don't need to make excuses for them.
05-01-2012, 05:58 PM
FBALL Wrote:Absurd only to a couple of you. Vegas was a monumental upset away from back to back as well. So the both did win a national championship. I am as big of a UK fan as anybody but the 96 team is not better than some of these teams mentioned.
Yes I watched it. Yes that Georgetown team was better. I don't need to make excuses for them.
Fball, this is reality. Reality this is Fball. Hope you all
will encounter each other again some day.
05-02-2012, 01:12 PM
Dumb Stupid Redneck fans, they think they know it all.....
There is a pun in there.....
There is a pun in there.....
05-02-2012, 08:35 PM
FBALL Wrote:84-85 Georgetown were just as freakishly athletic as UNLV 91. Both were better than the 96 Cats.
That was a damn good Kentucky team that Georgetown completely shut down in the 84 final four. The Hoyas had them completely intimidated.
If not for the unconscious effort by Nova in the 85 title game Georgetown wins back to back championships and there is no debate.
You do realize you are comparing a team that won the national title in the years you quote to teams that didn't.
There's no way in hades that Georgetown should have lost to Villanova in 1995, but they did. There's no way in hades that UNLV should have lost in the NCAA tourney in 1991. But they did.
There was no way in hades that UK should have lost in 1996...and they DIDN'T.
I'll take '96 UK over either one of those teams. The Wildcats had 8 or 9 NBA players on that team!
05-02-2012, 08:44 PM
Another thing that made '96 UK so great was that they were deep enough that they could run players in and out (basicly two teams) and full court press for the entire game. And not a lax full court--- a very agressive, in-your-face press that left most teams tongues hanging on the floor. That would have given the 2012 team a huge challenge and placed enormous pressure on Teague for 40 minutes. It would have done likewise to '85 G-Town and '91 UNLV.
05-02-2012, 08:47 PM
RoShamBo Wrote:The best team doesn't always win the national title, but the best team EVER certainly should.
Agree 100% with ^
05-02-2012, 08:47 PM
You do realize each of those teams were going for a repeat don't you. To make it simple we will just say 90 UNLV and 84 Georgetown. Each of which won it all and put multiple players in the NBA.
UCLA's run will never be duplicated again. Indiana was the last team to go undefeated. Both have a better claim than the 96 Cats.
Name me one player off of the. 96 UK team that was a great pro. You can't. I can with some of these other teams.
They didn't have the depth but the starting five from this years national champs I think is more talented than that 96 team. Only time will tell.
UCLA's run will never be duplicated again. Indiana was the last team to go undefeated. Both have a better claim than the 96 Cats.
Name me one player off of the. 96 UK team that was a great pro. You can't. I can with some of these other teams.
They didn't have the depth but the starting five from this years national champs I think is more talented than that 96 team. Only time will tell.
05-02-2012, 10:38 PM
I realize this, '90 UNLV has no place in this discussion as they were not even the best team that season in my opinion. They lost to OU and KU who were both better than them that year, and to some teams that were average at best. I also feel like Georgetown, while they were best team that year('84), is just another product of the early 80's shot-clockLESS era. They grinded games out as opposed to dominating them convincingly. Had 1991 UNLV won the title, I would have no problem saying they were the best team ever because they were truly dominant all season up until that last game and because there is no way to prove who is right and who is wrong, but they didn't win. I can not say that a team was the greatest ever that couldn't win the big game.
05-03-2012, 01:14 AM
90-91 UNLV, 84-85 Georgetown and Phi Slamma Jamma 82-83. The three most athletic teams I have seen.
As far as greatest team ever I think you have to go with UCLA 72-73. Led by Bill Walton and Jamaal Wilkes. Undefeated national champions two years in a row. Nobody else can match that.
As far as greatest team ever I think you have to go with UCLA 72-73. Led by Bill Walton and Jamaal Wilkes. Undefeated national champions two years in a row. Nobody else can match that.
05-03-2012, 03:20 AM
96 Cats.
05-03-2012, 11:02 AM
FBALL Wrote:You do realize each of those teams were going for a repeat don't you. To make it simple we will just say 90 UNLV and 84 Georgetown. Each of which won it all and put multiple players in the NBA.
UCLA's run will never be duplicated again. Indiana was the last team to go undefeated. Both have a better claim than the 96 Cats.
Name me one player off of the. 96 UK team that was a great pro. You can't. I can with some of these other teams.
They didn't have the depth but the starting five from this years national champs I think is more talented than that 96 team. Only time will tell.
Fball. seems like your problem is a myopia regarding the NBA. It does
NOT matter what any of the players did as a pro, vis a vis what they
were in college. Larry Johnson was probably the best PRO out
of all the palyers on the teams under discussion. But the discussion
is about the best COLLEGIATE team. Vegas was NOT as good as 96
UK. It's not close.
05-03-2012, 11:10 AM
RoShamBo Wrote:I realize this, '90 UNLV has no place in this discussion as they were not even the best team that season in my opinion. They lost to OU and KU who were both better than them that year, and to some teams that were average at best. I also feel like Georgetown, while they were best team that year('84), is just another product of the early 80's shot-clockLESS era. They grinded games out as opposed to dominating them convincingly. Had 1991 UNLV won the title, I would have no problem saying they were the best team ever because they were truly dominant all season up until that last game and because there is no way to prove who is right and who is wrong, but they didn't win. I can not say that a team was the greatest ever that couldn't win the big game.
Your point about Gtown and the shot clock era is a good one. But overall
I can't see making a case for them being better than '84 UK. They
were better at full court pressure D, but UK was actually probably
a little sounder, though less thugish in half court D. Bowie, Turpin,
Walker and Bennett made a FORMIDABLE front line.
And offensively, there's NO comparison. UK had players that were
actually GOOD on that end of the floor. Gtown struggled on
the offensive end.
For 30 years the media has portrayed that gmae as big bad Gtown
smacking the Cats down. All the while ignoring that A. UK snuffed
Gtown in the first half and held a lead. B. Gtown's "devastating"
press botherd UK not at all C. UK was missing OPEN shots. It
wasn't that UK was getting blocked, or shots were being altered,
they were missing OPEN SHOTS.
05-03-2012, 03:45 PM
Observing Wrote:Fball. seems like your problem is a myopia regarding the NBA. It does
NOT matter what any of the players did as a pro, vis a vis what they
were in college. Larry Johnson was probably the best PRO out
of all the palyers on the teams under discussion. But the discussion
is about the best COLLEGIATE team. Vegas was NOT as good as 96
UK. It's not close.
Your problem is you don't know what you are talking about. You really think Larry Johnson was a better pro than Patrick Ewing? Not to mention the UCLA teams and Houston.
The fact that those teams had better pro players than the 96 cats is only one variable. You can whine about the shot clock all you want. A shot clock would have helped that Georgetown team. They were thugs. Now you want to say that the team that Georgetown beat is better than they were? That goes against your own arguments.
05-03-2012, 03:51 PM
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
05-03-2012, 07:08 PM
RoShamBo Wrote:I realize this, '90 UNLV has no place in this discussion as they were not even the best team that season in my opinion. They lost to OU and KU who were both better than them that year, and to some teams that were average at best. I also feel like Georgetown, while they were best team that year('84), is just another product of the early 80's shot-clockLESS era. They grinded games out as opposed to dominating them convincingly. Had 1991 UNLV won the title, I would have no problem saying they were the best team ever because they were truly dominant all season up until that last game and because there is no way to prove who is right and who is wrong, but they didn't win. I can not say that a team was the greatest ever that couldn't win the big game.
Average margin of victory was 18.3 ppg.
05-03-2012, 07:23 PM
#10. 1996
Kentucky Wildcats
• Used seven players in the championship game who later played in the NBA: Antoine Walker, Derek Anderson, Tony Delk, Ron Mercer, Walter McCarty, Mark Pope and Jeff Sheppard. The first five were first-round picks.
• Scored 535 points in six NCAA Tournament games -- tied for fourth-highest series total (with 1987 Indiana) in history; their
scoring margin of 21.5 points also ranks fourth.
• Were led by Delk, who tied an NCAA record with seven 3-pointers in the championship game and was named most outstanding player at the Final Four.
• Had a reputation as a pressing team, but applying vicious post traps against Wake Forest All-American center Tim Duncan in the Midwest Region championship limited him to 2-of-7 shooting, 14 points and five turnovers in an 83-63 Wildcats win.
• Were so gifted they earned the nickname “the Untouchables ” from coach Rick Pitino, who used 10 players extensively.
Kentucky Wildcats
• Used seven players in the championship game who later played in the NBA: Antoine Walker, Derek Anderson, Tony Delk, Ron Mercer, Walter McCarty, Mark Pope and Jeff Sheppard. The first five were first-round picks.
• Scored 535 points in six NCAA Tournament games -- tied for fourth-highest series total (with 1987 Indiana) in history; their
scoring margin of 21.5 points also ranks fourth.
• Were led by Delk, who tied an NCAA record with seven 3-pointers in the championship game and was named most outstanding player at the Final Four.
• Had a reputation as a pressing team, but applying vicious post traps against Wake Forest All-American center Tim Duncan in the Midwest Region championship limited him to 2-of-7 shooting, 14 points and five turnovers in an 83-63 Wildcats win.
• Were so gifted they earned the nickname “the Untouchables ” from coach Rick Pitino, who used 10 players extensively.
05-03-2012, 07:37 PM
would have helped that Georgetown team. They were thugs. Now you want to say that the team that Georgetown beat is better than they were? That goes against your own arguments.[/QUOTE]
It most certanly does NOT. MANY times the better team does not
win in the NCAA. In 64 team era, more times than not the best
team in a particular hasn't won the title. It's a function of
increased parity across the board, where the gap between
the best and the rest isn't as large as it was in the past.
It most certanly does NOT. MANY times the better team does not
win in the NCAA. In 64 team era, more times than not the best
team in a particular hasn't won the title. It's a function of
increased parity across the board, where the gap between
the best and the rest isn't as large as it was in the past.
05-03-2012, 07:38 PM
FBALL Wrote:90 UNLV did win the national championship game by 30 points and is the only team to score over 100 in the NCAA championship game.
Of course they did benefit from playing what was probably one of
the two or three finalists EVER. That Duke team was W-E-A-K
compared to its field, but rode a lucky draw and a lot of luck to
the final.
05-03-2012, 07:40 PM
[quote=FBALL]Your problem is you don't know what you are talking about. You really think Larry Johnson was a better pro than Patrick Ewing? Not to mention the UCLA teams and Houston.
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That's debatable. Ewing certainly was better over the longer haul.
Johnson was better all around for a shorter period of time.
But, AGAIN, your myopia over the NBA is IRRELEVANT.
We're talking about COLLEGIATE TEAMS.
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That's debatable. Ewing certainly was better over the longer haul.
Johnson was better all around for a shorter period of time.
But, AGAIN, your myopia over the NBA is IRRELEVANT.
We're talking about COLLEGIATE TEAMS.
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