[TheRealVille]

RealVille, what is the reasoning for Dry County's in this day and age? Again, I'm asking from an ignorant standpoint. Spending my 40 plus years in an area that has never experienced such practices, I guess I don't understand the purpose any longer.

I have no clue, SD. Like I said, the state police numbers I saw showed that DUI's go down when a county goes wet. From what I can tell, NothingTrivial's post is spot on. The churchgoers and bootleggers don't want it wet. You should have heard some of the radio ads that churches around here put out, when Paintsville was voting for wet. LOL. As the old saying goes, "When a wet/dry vote is on the table, that's the only time you will see churchgoers shake hands with the bootleggers".

[LWC]

^Are we talking about alcohol or skittles? Alcohol can seriously affect the lives of people who use it and their families. I understand that Kentucky is behind the times with wet/dry but many places really do not need it.

I know that few states still have the wet/dry element, but we should be happy about it. I cannot remember where the stat was from but I saw that the DUI's were reduced but the crime-rate rose in many areas that switched.

I have always said this, you can never win with alcohol. Is it really worth the risk? I remember when either London or some-place like that switched that the promise of more jobs, economic growth, etc... were promised and it never happened. There are places that have certainly grown afterwards, (i.e. Burnside) but there are others that have went wet/moist that have not.

I mentioned in another thread that of all the conservative-minded pastors that I know, I may be the farthest towards this of anyone. I can see definite advantages for areas like Jamestown/Russell Springs for the tourism aspect. Since Burnside went went Russell County has saw tourism numbers down and businesses pack up and go to Burnside. If RS/Jamestown were wet, that would not have happened.

However, you can already buy drinks in Corbin, and because of the Falls people are already coming in. I do not see a big-time advantage for Whitley County. The only argument that I could buy is the DUI idea. However, if people are having to drive 45 minutes-1 hour to get beer and come home, they would be caught elsewhere anyway. Surely to goodness, someone would not be able to drive that far and on I-75 drunk all the way home.

I have absolutely no problem with the entire state being moist and the places that are already wet, being wet. At least at a bar or restaurant, bartenders/waitresses are LEGALLY REQUIRED to limit your amount of consumption. If places are wet, Bubba can go buy enough liquor to kill a horse, take it home or to a party and the rest is history.

While many will view issues like this as, "I want my town to be wet so I can buy a 6 pack, kick back in my chair and watch the game." Great but also remember that votes like this affect others as well. I know that I am in the minority on this. But not as much of the majority as you would expect someone in my position to be.

[TheRealVille]

^Are we talking about alcohol or skittles? Alcohol can seriously affect the lives of people who use it and their families. I understand that Kentucky is behind the times with wet/dry but many places really do not need it.

I know that few states still have the wet/dry element, but we should be happy about it. I cannot remember where the stat was from but I saw that the DUI's were reduced but the crime-rate rose in many areas that switched.

I have always said this, you can never win with alcohol. Is it really worth the risk? I remember when either London or some-place like that switched that the promise of more jobs, economic growth, etc... were promised and it never happened. There are places that have certainly grown afterwards, (i.e. Burnside) but there are others that have went wet/moist that have not.

I mentioned in another thread that of all the conservative-minded pastors that I know, I may be the farthest towards this of anyone. I can see definite advantages for areas like Jamestown/Russell Springs for the tourism aspect. Since Burnside went went Russell County has saw tourism numbers down and businesses pack up and go to Burnside. If RS/Jamestown were wet, that would not have happened.

However, you can already buy drinks in Corbin, and because of the Falls people are already coming in. I do not see a big-time advantage for Whitley County. The only argument that I could buy is the DUI idea. However, if people are having to drive 45 minutes-1 hour to get beer and come home, they would be caught elsewhere anyway. Surely to goodness, someone would not be able to drive that far and on I-75 drunk all the way home.

I have absolutely no problem with the entire state being moist and the places that are already wet, being wet. At least at a bar or restaurant, bartenders/waitresses are LEGALLY REQUIRED to limit your amount of consumption. If places are wet, Bubba can go buy enough liquor to kill a horse, take it home or to a party and the rest is history.

While many will view issues like this as, "I want my town to be wet so I can buy a 6 pack, kick back in my chair and watch the game." Great but also remember that votes like this affect others as well. I know that I am in the minority on this. But not as much of the majority as you would expect someone in my position to be.

Another preacher trying to get in the business of telling people what they can and cannot do, and deciding what's best and morally right for the voters. You would be one of the hand shakers I mentioned, standing side by side with the bootleggers. Do you think it is helping matters making people drive to another county to get their booze? People that drink, will get it anywhere they have to. If they can stay in their own county, all the better. Not to mention, bootleggers don't ask for ID. If bubba can buy it, and take it home, all the better.

[NothingTrivial]

Im with you on the ID TRV. If a place goes wet and eliminates bootleggers, then the chances of children having the ability to get it goes down as well.

[LWC]

^Average Joe is not going to take the risk of going to a bootlegger.

I am not trying to be Debbie Downer and this isn't a porno-shop, it is something that has well-documented health risks involved.

My question was never answered of what does a person gain by the consumption of alcohol. Is a beer with your steak really THAT much better than a Pepsi? Is it worth liver-disease, etc... Obviously too much of anything has health risks, but Doctor's offices do not hang posters up about the effects of soda and schools do not have programs about juice and there is no legal drinking age for Dr. Pepper.

As I have previously stated, I have no super-issue with its use in moderation, but when something like this is voted in, it opens pandora's box.

I know that I sound like a 100-year-old backwoods preacher, and I do not intend to, but I have never heard a good logical reason for a non-tourist area to go wet. I know that we are discussing Corbin, somewhat, but I believe we have shifted to all of KY.

Also, I am not legislating morality, I am "legislating" law. It is illegal to buy packaged alcohol in Corbin and in any area that is dry or has a ban against it. Just like the marijuana debate, it is upholding the law because those elements are illegal in certain/all places.

[LWC]

Just because a place goes wet/moist does not mean that bootleggers will go away. They will HAVE to focus on selling to children to keep a profit. It will happen MORE, simple economics.

[NothingTrivial]

I was a part of that scene when I was younger and can attest that more people go to bootleggers than you would expect. As well as bootleggers targeting children, a large portion of a bootleggers sales are to people of age. I would dare to suggest near 90-95% of their sales. You take that away from a bootlegger and he wont be able to operate. Children for the most part dont get their alcohol from a bootlegger directly, but rather from someone who they know that goes to the bootlegger.

[NothingTrivial]

I dont drink beer so I cant answer your question as to what a person gains from alcohol, but in moderation its no worse than pepsi or trans fats.

[TheRealVille]

^Average Joe is not going to take the risk of going to a bootlegger.

I am not trying to be Debbie Downer and this isn't a porno-shop, it is something that has well-documented health risks involved.

My question was never answered of what does a person gain by the consumption of alcohol. Is a beer with your steak really THAT much better than a Pepsi? Is it worth liver-disease, etc... Obviously too much of anything has health risks, but Doctor's offices do not hang posters up about the effects of soda and schools do not have programs about juice and there is no legal drinking age for Dr. Pepper.

As I have previously stated, I have no super-issue with its use in moderation, but when something like this is voted in, it opens pandora's box.

I know that I sound like a 100-year-old backwoods preacher, and I do not intend to, but I have never heard a good logical reason for a non-tourist area to go wet. I know that we are discussing Corbin, somewhat, but I believe we have shifted to all of KY.

Also, I am not legislating morality, I am "legislating" law. It is illegal to buy packaged alcohol in Corbin and in any area that is dry or has a ban against it. Just like the marijuana debate, it is upholding the law because those elements are illegal in certain/all places.

1st bold: Don't think for a minute that average Joe don't go to a bootlegger. 2nd bold: That's the rub, LWC. It's none of your business, about what a person gains, or the liver issue goes. You are trying to legislate, by your opinion of the effects of alcohol. The drinker is the only one that has that authority, to decide what they gain, or to have liver problems, which doesn't happen if taken in moderation. You are confusing why a person should vote no on the issue, based on your opinion of it's health effects. That is only the business of the consumer.

[TheRealVille]

Just because a place goes wet/moist does not mean that bootleggers will go away. They will HAVE to focus on selling to children to keep a profit. It will happen MORE, simple economics.

This is where you are wrong. Magoffin and Johnson had tons of bootleggers before they went wet. Now there aren't any, save maybe a few that sell some stuff on Sunday. A bootlegger can't stay in business in a wet county, alcohol is able to be bought tons cheaper than a bootlegger can sell it for.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I personally see nothing wrong with drinking.
I dont personally drink, but i have no right in a free country to tell someone else what they should and shouldnt drink.
As for the actual topic of dicussion, im looking at the bigger picture which is how will the selling of alcoholic beveages help the economic aspect of this town.
While someone said bringing it in didnt do nothing for there towns, it would happen in Corbin. These towns people are talking about that it didnt help had nothing to begin with. Nothing was there to enjoy, while in Corbin there are many things to do with the Arena and all of the incoming resteraunts, big movie theatre and so much more.
You put a couple of clubs or something right off the interstate, your going to see some big time money being made

[RunItUpTheGut]

Not to mention Corbin is the birthplace of KFC [Image: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9G...x5ktdvoGfT]

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
As well as Cumberland Falls, the only place left with a moonbow in the entire world.

Honestly, i always thought the falls would be a great place to open up a huge resort and try to get a casino in if it eve passed in KY.
That place needss a major restoration overhaul.

[nky]

^
As well as Cumberland Falls, the only place left with a moonbow in the entire world.

Honestly, i always thought the falls would be a great place to open up a huge resort and try to get a casino in if it eve passed in KY.
That place needss a major restoration overhaul.

? really

[TheRealVille]

? really

I think there's 2-3 places, but that's about it.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I think there's 2-3 places, but that's about it.

Actually it is now the only one left in the entire world that happens on a regular and consistent basis.
There was one more in Africa but an Earthquake shifted the falls to where it doesnt show up any more. I think there are a couple who get a glimmer of it, but those falls are no where near the size of Cumberland and not really consider a falls, but what im getting at is its the only one that can be seen on a consistent basis and can actually be times so that theyll let you know when it will show up each month.
It happens in other places after different weather patterns, but it always happens monthly at Cumberland Falls no matter what as long as the sky is clear.

People come from all over to vacation there and just see the moonbow and its a shame that we dont have more to do there.
That entire place down through there should be lined up with resteraunts and tourist attraction, maybe even an amusment park, but youve pretty much got white water rafting, a swimming pool, the dupont lodge and the falls.
There is so much potential for that place its unreal.
Plus, its out in the middle of nowhere really.
I literally grew up 7 miles from the actual falls and would love to see that place take off. It takes close to 30 minutes to get to from the I75 exit for people who dont know how to get there and drive the speed limit.

The thing is though, it would have to be a county thing.
Its outside of city limits and it would have to do with Whitley County entirely.

[RunItUpTheGut]

[Image: http://www.2geton.net/martin/moonbow/junefallsmall4.jpg]

[RunItUpTheGut]

[Image: http://www.2geton.net/martin/moonbow/111moonbowjan4.jpg]

[SKINNYPIG]

Actually it is now the only one left in the entire world that happens on a regular and consistent basis.
There was one more in Africa but an Earthquake shifted the falls to where it doesnt show up any more. I think there are a couple who get a glimmer of it, but those falls are no where near the size of Cumberland and not really consider a falls, but what im getting at is its the only one that can be seen on a consistent basis and can actually be times so that theyll let you know when it will show up each month.
It happens in other places after different weather patterns, but it always happens monthly at Cumberland Falls no matter what as long as the sky is clear.

People come from all over to vacation there and just see the moonbow and its a shame that we dont have more to do there.
That entire place down through there should be lined up with resteraunts and tourist attraction, maybe even an amusment park, but youve pretty much got white water rafting, a swimming pool, the dupont lodge and the falls.
There is so much potential for that place its unreal.
Plus, its out in the middle of nowhere really.
I literally grew up 7 miles from the actual falls and would love to see that place take off. It takes close to 30 minutes to get to from the I75 exit for people who dont know how to get there and drive the speed limit.

The thing is though, it would have to be a county thing.
Its outside of city limits and it would have to do with Whitley County entirely.

I have a fish camp in Cedar Bluff Alabama. On the way down, there is a falls (Little River Falls) just outside of Fort Payne that advertises their moonbow on a regular basis.

[Stardust]

I have no clue, SD. Like I said, the state police numbers I saw showed that DUI's go down when a county goes wet. From what I can tell, NothingTrivial's post is spot on. The churchgoers and bootleggers don't want it wet. You should have heard some of the radio ads that churches around here put out, when Paintsville was voting for wet. LOL. As the old saying goes, "When a wet/dry vote is on the table, that's the only time you will see churchgoers shake hands with the bootleggers".

Are you sure that the Churchgoers are not the same bootleggers????

[TheRealVille]

Are you sure that the Churchgoers are not the same bootleggers????

Well,....bourbon was reported to be invented by a Baptist preacher.:biggrin: And moonshine, has always been reported that in the early years, preachers made and sold it help feed their families.

[nky]

Yosemite

[nky]

Victoria falls

[nky]

[Image: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9G..._XNtr19YNI]Hawaii

[nky]

From Wikipedia
Few places in the world frequently feature this phenomenon. Several waterfalls in Yosemite National Park. Cumberland Falls,[3] near Corbin, Kentucky, U.S.A. and Victoria Falls[4] on the border between Zambia and Zimbabwe are widely known for moonbow occurrence. Also Waimea on Hawaii's Kauai Island. A moonbow sighting occurred on July 26, 2010 at Kalapana on the island of Hawaii (the Big island), seen from near the active lava flow

[LWC]

^According to RIUTG, the Victoria one was changed by earthquakes.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^According to RIUTG, the Victoria one was changed by earthquakes.

Thats what i heard from the tourism board around Corbin a few years ago.
But after doing some research it was deforestation that done that.

All of the ones NKY listed has seen moonbows, but Cumberland fallss is the only place its guaranteed to happen every single month for a week at a time i believe, and as long as its clear skies of course and a full moon, which means it happens every month on schedule. Other places just appear at random.
It is the only one for sure in the western hemisphere.



Here is an article from Yahoo! that backs my claims, not the unreliable wikipedia.

Cumberland Falls State Resort Park is located just ten miles outside the city of Corbin, Kentucky and is home to a natural phenomenon that can be seen no place else in the world - a moonbow. At one time this distinction was shared with Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe, Africa but due to forest cultivation Victoria Falls has lost its moonbow status.
A moonbow, or lunar rainbow, occurs when light from a full-moon refracts off of the water from the falls creating a prism of light in the mist of the falls. Pictures of the moonbow can be seen on various websites, you can find some very nice pictures at The Moonbow at Cumberland Falls, on Flickr, and on Outdoor Webshots.

If weather conditions allow moonbows occur once a month at Cumberland Falls. A moonbow is visible for five nights, and is most visible two nights before a full moon about an hour after dark when the moon has cleared the ridge of land surrounding the waterfall. Each night of the five night cycle the optimum time for seeing the moonbow is thirty minutes later than the night before. On Moonbow weekends Cumberland Falls State Resort Park has Naturalist Staff on hand to explain about this natural phenomenon.

Whether or not a moonbow will be seen and the quality of the moonbow has several determining factors such as the amount of moonlight available, the volume of the water flowing over the falls, and the direction the wind is blowing. Autumn and Winter seem to be the best time to view a moonbow, due to the crispness of the fall air.

http://voices.yahoo.com/cumberland-falls...64792.html

[nky]

Yahoo Voices is just as reliable as wikipedia:eyeroll:

http://uweb.txstate.edu/~do01/moonbows2011.html
how about this from Texas State University?
A team of astronomers from Texas State University in San Marcos has produced a computer model that can reliably predict the date and duration of moonbows at Yosemite Falls, the national park’s tallest and most photogenic waterfall.
Their predictions have sent waves of camera buffs and Yosemite Valley visitors trekking up the trail to the plank bridge near the base of the waterfall.
The moonbow, also known as a lunar rainbow and moon rainbow, isn’t unique to Yosemite Falls. Photographers have shot them arching in the mist of other waterfalls around the valley. In fact, Olson said, any big waterfall will suffice, provided it is roaring with spring snowmelt and correctly positioned to snag the moon’s rays.
Moonbow tours are common at Africa’s Victoria Falls. They’re a ritual at Cumberland Falls in Kentucky, where early postcards show a hotel named the Moonbow Inn. Niagara Falls, Olson said, was known for spectacular moonbows before electricity put its rushing waters under a perpetual spotlight.

[LWC]

^Notice, they need computers and research to accurately predict it. Corbin's can be predicted by looking at an Almanac or looking outside your window.

[nky]

^ Global warming and all that stuff:biglmao: