[whackem'n'stackem']

I personally don't believe in luck but when considering the threat of injuries, weather, and a play here or there, it does appear that there is much more involved than just having the better skilled squad. Looking back at Highlands run, they were a fingertip pass away in 08' and an opponents dropped pass in '10. Pretty incredible run all things considered.

[PHSForever]

I personally don't believe in luck but when considering the threat of injuries, and a play here or there, it does appear that there is much more involved than just having the better skilled squad. Looking back at Highlands run, they were a fingertip pass away in 08' and an opponents dropped pass in '10. Pretty incredible run all things considered.

Luck factors into every sport. Many teams can say "but for a dropped pass, bad bounce, bad set, etc..." every year. BUT, I firmly believe preparation is the key to bettering your luck. Studying film, knowing the plays, knowing your role in a play, etc increases your chances of being in the right place at the right time. Some would say that is luck, but it is preparation if you do it right that puts you in the position to begin with.

Having said that, look no further than the 1990 PHS team, which was a serious contender for possibly another title run before being upset in the regional finals. They simply got outworked in that game, no other way to put it.

[Stardust]

Every year, a team from 5A down has some level of luck during the playoff rounds.

[MayfieldCardinal]

Every year, a team from 5A down has some level of luck during the playoff rounds.

We have won alot of titles and in my opinion, luck was a part of every one of them except 2. Last year we were just that much better than everyone else as ourmauling of all our opponets shows. Our 78 title team also was just that much better but all the others involved some luck.

In everything, not just football, I believe that its better to be lucky than good anyday

[RoShamBo]

Big factor. For example, kids who are lucky enough to play for Trinity should defintely bring home a state title this year, lol.

[whackem'n'stackem']

Big factor. For example, kids who are lucky enough to play for Trinity should defintely bring home a state title this year, lol.

We see how one injury, take for example Ryle's Elliott, can turn a contender into an avg. team in one instant.

[nky]

We see how one injury, take for example Ryle's Elliott, can turn a contender into an avg. team in one instant.

but are you a true contender if you have to rely on one player?

[nky]

you make your own luck
weather should never be used as an excuse both teams play on the same field
a bad bounce here or there- is hat bad luck or good luck ? depends on you're point a view

[whackem'n'stackem']

you make your own luck
weather should never be used as an excuse both teams play on the same field
a bad bounce here or there- is hat bad luck or good luck ? depends on you're point a view

I disagree. A team that relies on it's speed to win games would be at a clear disadvantage on a rain soaked grass field.

[Brandon40403]

there are certain games every year that you win because of one play weather it be a bad bounce or a missed wide open receiver or a drop pass or fantastic catch depending on which end of that ur on its either a bit of bad luck or a bit of good luck.............You hear announcers say it all the time now they do overuse it but it is sometimes a case of luck and that is "Man they were really fortunate to win that game."

[RoShamBo]

We see how one injury, take for example Ryle's Elliott, can turn a contender into an avg. team in one instant.

Trust me I know what you are saying. Brandon Newell in 2002 for Somerset tears an ACL third game of the season, Neal Tucker breaks a collarbone the week before, then Lucas Ford tears an ACL a week later and just like that Somerset goes from a preseason title contender to a 5-6 team. Defintely luck is involved in everything in life, not just football.

[sstack]

It takes more than luck to win a championship, I think preparation and hard work and good athletes win titles.

[Runnin Cat]

Not getting anyone injured is the biggest, luckiest part of a successful season. If you can keep your core group of kids hurt, you should consider yourself lucky.

[RebelPride12]

It takes more than luck to win a championship, I think preparation and hard work and good athletes win titles.

I agree. I can't think of one championship team in recent history that wasn't the best team in its respective class. Luck is not a major factor in my opinion. There is always a valid reason why a particular team didn't win a championship and that reason is rarely luck.

[toussaints]

Is there a difference between having luck and getting breaks? Sometimes, teams get breaks like being placed on the side of the bracket that isn't loaded with really good teams. Like 4A this year will have Highlands, CovCath, Boyle, LexCath, and Johnson Central all on the same half of the bracket

[Pigskinman53]

but are you a true contender if you have to rely on one player?

In High School football aside from Trinty, the majority of teams are just 1 injury away. Take Wales of Central and a couple teams in 3A could knock them off, even Towles off Highlands and maybe a team in 4A could knock them off.

[Brandon40403]

Is there a difference between having luck and getting breaks? Sometimes, teams get breaks like being placed on the side of the bracket that isn't loaded with really good teams. Like 4A this year will have Highlands, CovCath, Boyle, LexCath, and Johnson Central all on the same half of the bracket

when it comes to stuff like this i think getting breaks and being lucky are one in the same

[toussaints]

when it comes to stuff like this i think getting breaks and being lucky are one in the same

that answers my question, i think state champs will catch a break/get lucky at sometime during the season. there are teams that are just that good and roll over everybody they play, but compared to most state champs, that's rare

[nky]

I disagree. A team that relies on it's speed to win games would be at a clear disadvantage on a rain soaked grass field.

one dimensional? The coach should prepare his team for all events. If you rely just on team speed you need a second or third option.
Great teams over come any obstacle

[BelfryPirates]

You have to have some luck to win.... but talent/preparation are 90% of the aspect.

[DragonFire]

I think there are certain variables in every season that you could equate to "luck", such as weather but particularly injuries. It is the foundation of every state champion that they stay relatively healthy. But for the most part, especially now that we have six classes, the champions have been far and away the best teams in that class.

[Hatz]

We have won alot of titles and in my opinion, luck was a part of every one of them except 2. Last year we were just that much better than everyone else as ourmauling of all our opponets shows. Our 78 title team also was just that much better but all the others involved some luck.

In everything, not just football, I believe that its better to be lucky than good anyday

MayfieldCardinal probably knows that bad luck may have cost the Cardinals two titles vs. Danville (1987 Blocked EP in OT, and 1989 one long run by Donnie Redd was difference).

Luck many times has a hand but doesn't have to have the only hand in the process. Great teams that overcome bad luck are special to watch. I think Boyle's win over Lone Oak is a prime example. The Rebels had some things that went against them that were skill by LO and luck as well but they fought through it to block a punt, run the ball and rattle the other guys at the end. :Thumbs:

[whackem'n'stackem']

Judging from the posts, I think most would agree that the two state finalists aren't always going to be the best teams in their respective divisions when considering the injury bug. The 09' Bluebird team, with a healthy Bardo, would have absolutely named the score against John Hardin that year. They still won, but the outcome would've been much much worse, IMO.

[HD28]

Injury factors aside, I don't agree with the statement "I'd rather be lucky than good". I'd rather be good. Luck is a variable that cannot be counted upon or predicted...talent is.

[MayfieldCardinal]

Injury factors aside, I don't agree with the statement "I'd rather be lucky than good". I'd rather be good. Luck is a variable that cannot be counted upon or predicted...talent is.

If im in Bowling Green and on that day the luck bounces, breaks, whatever go my way, I'll take it everytime. I see teams every day that should not have won but on that given day got lucky breaks and won. I cant control luck so I have to be good but the good team somtimes winds up with a L

Bottom line, most of the time (not all of the time) it takes being good, prepared, and some luck at some point.

[RebelPride12]

MayfieldCardinal probably knows that bad luck may have cost the Cardinals two titles vs. Danville (1987 Blocked EP in OT, and 1989 one long run by Donnie Redd was difference).

Luck many times has a hand but doesn't have to have the only hand in the process. Great teams that overcome bad luck are special to watch. I think Boyle's win over Lone Oak is a prime example. The Rebels had some things that went against them that were skill by LO and luck as well but they fought through it to block a punt, run the ball and rattle the other guys at the end. :Thumbs:

LO lost that game because they kept passing the ball instead of running it and killing clock. They gave Boyle every opportunity to come back and wint that game. The better team won that game and had LO won that game I'd still say the better team won. LO was much better at every facet of the game than we expected. Had they ran the ball in the 4th up double digits on Boyle then who knows what may have happened.

[RebelPride12]

Judging from the posts, I think most would agree that the two state finalists aren't always going to be the best teams in their respective divisions when considering the injury bug. The 09' Bluebird team, with a healthy Bardo, would have absolutely named the score against John Hardin that year. They still won, but the outcome would've been much much worse, IMO.

I think sometimes the two best teams are in the same region. I also think the state champion is the correct team 99.9% of the time. I can't think of one team lucky to be the state champion.

[jw4914]

but are you a true contender if you have to rely on one player?

One player can make a difference. Losing a player to an injury can bring down a team to
the point of no return. So, injuries (lucky or not) plays apart. We will see how the Colts
do without Peyton this year.

[whackem'n'stackem']

I think sometimes the two best teams are in the same region. I also think the state champion is the correct team 99.9% of the time. I can't think of one team lucky to be the state champion.

I still say the 06' Birds were a better team than the Colonels.:biggrin:

[Hatz]

I think sometimes the two best teams are in the same region. I also think the state champion is the correct team 99.9% of the time. I can't think of one team lucky to be the state champion.

I hesitate calling it all luck but Bourbon County was on a roll and drew the right teams, at the right times, in the right weather to win it all in '97. (Just my opinion)