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12-22-2005, 01:16 AM
do you think we should split Public and Private schools up?
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12-22-2005, 01:18 AM
Honestly, YES they should! It's about time someone thought of this and i wanna see what you all think... YES or NO... Let the arguueing begin!
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#81
12-22-2005, 04:09 AM
I thank they should be seperated becouse Monroe played Owensborow cathlioc this year and we had a pretty good team and we got beat by 50 somethin and It aint fair for a small public school to play a private school the private schools can recruite and military schools should be put in the same as the private schools because they can also get who ever they wont.
Monroe County will be the team next year beware of us
Monroe County will be the team next year beware of us
12-23-2005, 12:00 AM
yes they should be split up
12-23-2005, 01:00 AM
No--they shouldn't be split--the rest of you should get better.
Also--there is a problem--and the solution is to add another class. (Based on enrollment).
Do you guys not understand that a seperate championship for public/private makes our state look weaker than it already is?
Also--there is a problem--and the solution is to add another class. (Based on enrollment).
Do you guys not understand that a seperate championship for public/private makes our state look weaker than it already is?
12-23-2005, 11:20 AM
Also--there is a problem--and the solution is to add another class. (Based on enrollment).
How would this eliminate the problem? The privates would still be in the new classes as well. All adding another class or @ is going to do is more money for the KHSAA, henceforth why they came up with a decision to go to 6 classes.
How would this eliminate the problem? The privates would still be in the new classes as well. All adding another class or @ is going to do is more money for the KHSAA, henceforth why they came up with a decision to go to 6 classes.
12-23-2005, 11:31 AM
New York does it
12-23-2005, 01:29 PM
A couple things--
And remember this--all of the schools that are complaining about this still would NOT win a state championship anyways.
There were 3 out of 4 state champions that were from private schools this year--but what you FAIL TO MENTION--IS THAT FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS (PRIOR TO THIS YEAR)--THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE EITHER WON 3/4 OR WON ALL OF THEM.
The true disparity here lies in the fact that Kentucky determines there class breakdowns based on the number of students enrolled in each school. If a school only has boys (Trinity/St X) then their enrollment (which is still 1500-1700 kids) is doubled (since there are no girls). That gives them at least 3000 kids for enrollment. Then to think that schools like Conner (1400 kids) and Dixie (1400 kids) are expected to compete with schools that have TWICE AS MANY ATHLETES to chose from.
That is where the disparity lies. Lets think about it for a minute--how many private schools completely dominate in football?
Trinity
St. Xavier
The rest--are not sealing the deal on a regular basis.
You could also make the argument that the true power house schools that are winning the most state championships are public/indenpendent schools--NOT PRIVATE.
Public school dynasties:
Beechwood
Danville
Highlands
Mayfield
Boyle County
Belfry (on their way).
Male (historically--they are a power).
Seriously, I am from a public school. The AD at our school DID NOT VOTE FOR A SPLIT--he is also the head football coach. In the recent past--they have had 2 back to back undefeated regular seasons only to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, then the 2nd year of the playoffs (they are paired with Trinity's district for the playoffs). When asked his opinion on the subject--he says, "We got beat by a better team--we need to do more work".
Do private schools work harder than public schools? NO. THEY DON'T. But the expectations are much higher. The kids come out to play. Who's fault is that?
Again--this is a weak argument. You guys think that you actually have a chance to win a state championship if the private schools are out of the way. What you need to remember--things are not going to change. Schools like Beechwood, Danville, Mayfield, Highlands, Belfry are going to continue to smack you in the mouth. And, in actuality--YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO WIN.
Put some thought into this argument.
And remember this--all of the schools that are complaining about this still would NOT win a state championship anyways.
There were 3 out of 4 state champions that were from private schools this year--but what you FAIL TO MENTION--IS THAT FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS (PRIOR TO THIS YEAR)--THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE EITHER WON 3/4 OR WON ALL OF THEM.
The true disparity here lies in the fact that Kentucky determines there class breakdowns based on the number of students enrolled in each school. If a school only has boys (Trinity/St X) then their enrollment (which is still 1500-1700 kids) is doubled (since there are no girls). That gives them at least 3000 kids for enrollment. Then to think that schools like Conner (1400 kids) and Dixie (1400 kids) are expected to compete with schools that have TWICE AS MANY ATHLETES to chose from.
That is where the disparity lies. Lets think about it for a minute--how many private schools completely dominate in football?
Trinity
St. Xavier
The rest--are not sealing the deal on a regular basis.
You could also make the argument that the true power house schools that are winning the most state championships are public/indenpendent schools--NOT PRIVATE.
Public school dynasties:
Beechwood
Danville
Highlands
Mayfield
Boyle County
Belfry (on their way).
Male (historically--they are a power).
Seriously, I am from a public school. The AD at our school DID NOT VOTE FOR A SPLIT--he is also the head football coach. In the recent past--they have had 2 back to back undefeated regular seasons only to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, then the 2nd year of the playoffs (they are paired with Trinity's district for the playoffs). When asked his opinion on the subject--he says, "We got beat by a better team--we need to do more work".
Do private schools work harder than public schools? NO. THEY DON'T. But the expectations are much higher. The kids come out to play. Who's fault is that?
Again--this is a weak argument. You guys think that you actually have a chance to win a state championship if the private schools are out of the way. What you need to remember--things are not going to change. Schools like Beechwood, Danville, Mayfield, Highlands, Belfry are going to continue to smack you in the mouth. And, in actuality--YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO WIN.
Put some thought into this argument.
12-23-2005, 01:44 PM
Im_a_wuh_wuh_waterboy_DUR Wrote:New York does it
New York probably has a lot of more private schools than Kentucky does. It's probably a more even number of private and public schools in New York.
I don't think they should be split.
12-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Public school dynasties:
Beechwood
Danville
Highlands
Mayfield
Boyle County
Belfry (on their way).
Male (historically--they are a power).
hey hey you have to pay to get in to Highlands and Danville...they are not a public school is a school paid for by our precious tax payers.... there is a semester fee at most of those school you just listed:thumb:
#81
Beechwood
Danville
Highlands
Mayfield
Boyle County
Belfry (on their way).
Male (historically--they are a power).
hey hey you have to pay to get in to Highlands and Danville...they are not a public school is a school paid for by our precious tax payers.... there is a semester fee at most of those school you just listed:thumb:
#81
12-23-2005, 11:54 PM
Im_a_wuh_wuh_waterboy_DUR Wrote:Public school dynasties:
Beechwood
Danville
Highlands
Mayfield
Boyle County
Belfry (on their way).
Male (historically--they are a power).
hey hey you have to pay to get in to Highlands and Danville...they are not a public school is a school paid for by our precious tax payers.... there is a semester fee at most of those school you just listed:thumb:
#81
Okay--it is now official. You have NO CLUE what you are talking about.
Highlands and Danville are public schools (or--public schools in a independent school district). The only time that you would have to pay to attend is if you are from out of district (where the transfer rules apply like anywhere else). That isn't anything similar to a private school. I have lived in NKY long enough to know the difference.
If you think that these schools DON'T get any tax dollars--you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Also--it is really starting to seem like you would rather get rid of all of your competition so you could actually have a CHANCE to win a state championship. You need to educate yourself a little more before you weigh in on some of these topics. IT is almost to the point where it sounds like you make up most of your arguments.
12-24-2005, 01:22 PM
then why dont you tell us the perfect little school you coach at... because you act like there is a barrier around underdog schools like us... im not trying to start stupid stuff that has ABSOLUTLY no point to it but as i see it you degrade SW in almost everyone of your latest comments? what's up with that? have I or anyone else ever degraded your school as you are... have you ever heard the sayin' "Do unto others as you would like done unto yourself"...? Dude its not us (SW fans) it is you being idiotic and conceaded... not to make you mad to where you can hound SW about how BAD we are... but to make you realize..You need to wake up and smell the coffee... that's whats so GREAT about football is that anyone could WIN and anyone could LOSE... no come on man lets end this or whatever it is between you and SW or SW and you... this is b/s! no more degrading SW in all of your comments for once because we dont do that to you do we?
#81
#81
12-24-2005, 01:39 PM
Im_a_wuh_wuh_waterboy_DUR Wrote:then why dont you tell us the perfect little school you coach at... because you act like there is a barrier around underdog schools like us... im not trying to start stupid stuff that has ABSOLUTLY no point to it but as i see it you degrade SW in almost everyone of your latest comments? what's up with that? have I or anyone else ever degraded your school as you are... have you ever heard the sayin' "Do unto others as you would like done unto yourself"...? Dude its not us (SW fans) it is you being idiotic and conceaded... not to make you mad to where you can hound SW about how BAD we are... but to make you realize..You need to wake up and smell the coffee... that's whats so GREAT about football is that anyone could WIN and anyone could LOSE... no come on man lets end this or whatever it is between you and SW or SW and you... this is b/s! no more degrading SW in all of your comments for once because we dont do that to you do we?
#81
As I said--YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
"Underdog schools" are you kidding me? That is a complete joke. That has nothing to do with the split. It has everything to do with the fact that you need to get better (which--I was under the impression that your program was--I guess you would rather have someone hand something to you as opposed to EARNING a state championship).
In reality, I could care less about Southwestern. My issue goes directly to you and the stupid comments that you make. You have no clue what you are speaking about.
You are the one that makes SW look bad by acting like you need the split to have a chance. If I were your team mate or your coach--I would be embarassed by you and your statements. Again--I could careless about Southwestern--but I do take issue with nearly every point that you make for one reason--you have no inkling of what you are talking about.
How am I being idiotic? Because I don't agree with your points? Are you serious. You come on a message board and blatantly posts lies about schools that you know nothing about. There are some parts of the world where statements like that would land you in jail. You have blatantly lied--in order to push the whole public/private debate. And it comes down to this--GET BETTER and quit being a baby.
I will also say this--the schools that I am associated with are not real hard to figure out. Do a little looking through some of my past posts if you want to know that bad. And--I can assure you that Southwestern has NEVER beaten us in anything--so, I don't really have any issues with your school. But I do take issue to the blatant lies that you post. You need to grow up and learn that there are people who know a little more than you do about things.
12-28-2005, 10:24 PM
I don't necessarily agree that they should be split but I have an alternate solution. Something like a Big 16 or something similar. Put open enrollment and privates together in their own class or even split those among large and small. Then let the rest of the schools compete on a more level playing field. Also allow others to play up in class to this group if they like. I think it would make a real interesting playoff.
South Carolina has a Big 16 and all are involved in their own playoff each year without qualifying in district play, thus having the freedom to schedule rivalries and big games as they please.
I havent studied this enough to give an example of who should be there but it would be interesting.
South Carolina has a Big 16 and all are involved in their own playoff each year without qualifying in district play, thus having the freedom to schedule rivalries and big games as they please.
I havent studied this enough to give an example of who should be there but it would be interesting.
12-28-2005, 10:43 PM
I would vote for a split
12-29-2005, 02:00 PM
Most you keep saying that you would vote for a split or not vote for a split--BUT WHAT IS YOUR LOGIC?
Seriously. If you look at the results from the vote, there are certain areas that are all for the split and there are other areas that were completely against the split (I understand that the vast majority were for the split).
I don't understand the logic. If you look at the past champions in football (with the exception of THIS YEAR, the public schools have OWNED the state championships).
Seriously. If you look at the results from the vote, there are certain areas that are all for the split and there are other areas that were completely against the split (I understand that the vast majority were for the split).
I don't understand the logic. If you look at the past champions in football (with the exception of THIS YEAR, the public schools have OWNED the state championships).
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