KHSAA

Jon419 · 08-24-2011, 03:46 PM

Well Pike Central better be glad it wasnt me giving out the punishment, it would have been a lot worse. The KHSAA told Pike Central about 3 or 4 games into last season that this player was ineligible! Did the staff sit him? NO! A local judge filed an injunction to allow the player to play. So he played the remainder of the season.

It all boils down to this... Instead of pulling local political strings and getting the judge to step in and allow the player to play, they should have not played this player. I mean what did they expect, the KHSAA had already told them he was ineligible.

**HawksRule** · 08-24-2011, 04:44 PM

Xerxes Wrote:Personally I think they got off light.......This has been kept quiet. I thought that he didn't do anything wrong? I went back and looked at the post on this subject. You will be surprised who said that nothing was done wrong. Where are those posters now. If they fired all coaches that got caught recruiting then it would stop.

I'm right here lol I still don't see what was done wrong. The wrong in the situation was the family who followed Chapman and took pictures. That should be filed stalking and invasion of privacy.

Brandon40403 · 08-24-2011, 07:09 PM

messy situation thats for sure

outsider · 08-24-2011, 07:23 PM

Oh but of course HawksRule "YOU" don't have a problem with what chapman did. I do have one question for you the KHSAA had ruled the kid illegal early in the season. Do you think it is a good thing for a coach to show kids that winning is worth more than doing what is right? So if you can do it now why not later maybe when there is more on the line.
There is no grey area don't teach these kids that cheating is ok if you don't get caught. They got caught, you do the crime now pay the price.

Jammer2525 · 08-24-2011, 08:19 PM

Xerxes Wrote:Personally I think they got off light.......This has been kept quiet. I thought that he didn't do anything wrong? I went back and looked at the post on this subject. You will be surprised who said that nothing was done wrong. Where are those posters now. If they fired all coaches that got caught recruiting then it would stop.

Pretty sure those posters are just ready for this to be behind them, as are the rest of the Pike Central fans and players. This has gone on long enough, and I for one am just looking forward to the season, rather than looking back on last year's drama.

Jammer2525 · 08-24-2011, 08:21 PM

clueless Wrote:I have seen the complaints and the reports made and given by the KHSAA and there were never any mention of recruiting violations. The penalties imposed were for the school not reporting a change of address for the students to the KHSAA and for the coach giving a ride to an athlete to from an out of county family member's residence. Recruiting violations were not mentioned.

:Thumbs:

**Benchwarmer** · 08-24-2011, 08:22 PM

outsider Wrote:Oh but of course HawksRule "YOU" don't have a problem with what chapman did. I do have one question for you the KHSAA had ruled the kid illegal early in the season. Do you think it is a good thing for a coach to show kids that winning is worth more than doing what is right? So if you can do it now why not later maybe when there is more on the line.
There is no grey area don't teach these kids that cheating is ok if you don't get caught. They got caught, you do the crime now pay the price.

:Thumbs:

Jammer2525 · 08-24-2011, 08:23 PM

outsider Wrote:Oh but of course HawksRule "YOU" don't have a problem with what chapman did. I do have one question for you the KHSAA had ruled the kid illegal early in the season. Do you think it is a good thing for a coach to show kids that winning is worth more than doing what is right? So if you can do it now why not later maybe when there is more on the line.
There is no grey area don't teach these kids that cheating is ok if you don't get caught. They got caught, you do the crime now pay the price.

Just to clear things up, the boys were ruled ELIGIBLE. Then halfway through the season they were ruled INELIGIBLE. They were not ruled INELIGIBLE early on in the season.

common sense · 08-24-2011, 11:19 PM

clueless Wrote:I have seen the complaints and the reports made and given by the KHSAA and there were never any mention of recruiting violations. The penalties imposed were for the school not reporting a change of address for the students to the KHSAA and for the coach giving a ride to an athlete to from an out of county family member's residence. Recruiting violations were not mentioned.

The KHSAA didn't use the word recruiting in it's reports but did cite the head coach for driving a kid 70 miles to school. If that makes you feel better than ok. Call me old fashion, but that sounds alot like recruiting.

oldtimer3 · 08-25-2011, 12:36 AM

You are correct. There were kids followed and videoed, that were not even football players. Rumor has it there will be future charges resulting from the invasion of these kids privacy.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 05:34 AM

outsider Wrote:Oh but of course HawksRule "YOU" don't have a problem with what chapman did. I do have one question for you the KHSAA had ruled the kid illegal early in the season. Do you think it is a good thing for a coach to show kids that winning is worth more than doing what is right? So if you can do it now why not later maybe when there is more on the line.
There is no grey area don't teach these kids that cheating is ok if you don't get caught. They got caught, you do the crime now pay the price.

Lol when you figure out the facts then this might be a worthy conversation

**toussaints** · 08-25-2011, 01:08 PM

charlie22 Wrote:Before picking on the KHSAA, take the time to learn the by laws. The by laws didn't permit the KHSAA to not allow Highlands play in the state game. Trust me, and I know, if the KHSAA could have banned Highlands from playing in the championship game, they would have. And the by laws, by the way, are the by laws adopted and voted on by the schools themselves, so don't blame the KHSAA staff or Board of Control for the by laws.

In light of the fact that the KHSAA eventually rescinded the sanctions and restored the wins because they had royally screwed up, you still think it would have been right to not allow those Highlands kids to play in the championship game? If so, that's a sadder reflection on you than on the KHSAA allowing Highlands to play in the state championship. More love (or is it jealousy?) for Highlands from another N. Kyian. :HitWall:

again, im picking on the KHSAA for HOW THEY HANDLED IT. Even if it was someone other than Highlands, it was an ugly process. Don't get me wrong, Highlands won the finals without Mitchell and so they deserve it, but the KHSAA could've handled everything much smoother.

hootie · 08-25-2011, 02:38 PM

This could have been a whole lot worse....

VHSL-helper · 08-25-2011, 04:05 PM

oldtimer3 Wrote:You are correct. There were kids followed and videoed, that were not even football players. Rumor has it there will be future charges resulting from the invasion of these kids privacy.

If the kids were out in public, like beside the road or in a patking lot, they have no expectation of privacy.

**#1 Blackcat Fan** · 08-25-2011, 06:02 PM

HawksRule Wrote:I'm right here lol I still don't see what was done wrong. The wrong in the situation was the family who followed Chapman and took pictures. That should be filed stalking and invasion of privacy.

Apparently something or they would not have been punished.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 08:08 PM

#1 Blackcat Fan Wrote:Apparently something or they would not have been punished.

When you can tell me a difference of a kid switching schools to play on an academic team, then a kid switching and playing football then I might see it wrong.

**EKUAlum05** · 08-25-2011, 09:13 PM

HawksRule Wrote:When you can tell me a difference of a kid switching schools to play on an academic team, then a kid switching and playing football then I might see it wrong.

When the academic team is able to bring in tens of thousands of dollars of revenue, to the point it can be justifiably considered a business, then you may have a point.

Jon419 · 08-25-2011, 09:20 PM

HawksRule Wrote:When you can tell me a difference of a kid switching schools to play on an academic team, then a kid switching and playing football then I might see it wrong.

Pike Central's coach DROVE the kid to school!! 70 Miles!! Gee I wonder why that would be wrong..... What I dont understand is how he is still playing.... I hope they get the wins from this year taken away too.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 09:23 PM

Jon419 Wrote:Pike Central's coach DROVE the kid to school!! 70 Miles!! Gee I wonder why that would be wrong..... What I dont understand is how he is still playing.... I hope they get the wins from this year taken away too.

My good sir you are pitiful there is no need to punish a child and take football from him.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 09:25 PM

unregistered guest Wrote:If you're goinna cheat at least be good at it Central.

Shame Pike Central is creating such a mess for a team who couldn't finish but 3rd in the District and lost in the 1st Round of the Playoffs. Imagine how bad of a Coach Chapman would be if he had to play by the rules?

KHSAA should have put their foot down so we wouldn't have to hear the hype from these delusional, brain washed fans before they once again lose to Belfry and company and make yet another exit before the weather even gets truly cold.

Actually in Chapman's first year at Pike Central he took them to a Regional Championship game. Weather gets pretty cold in November.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 09:27 PM

EKUAlum05 Wrote:When the academic team is able to bring in tens of thousands of dollars of revenue, to the point it can be justifiably considered a business, then you may have a point.

All I'm saying is kids switch schools every day no matter how it is done. When these others switch we don't follow them home with a camera or blast them all over for it.

**HawksRule** · 08-25-2011, 09:29 PM

The KHSAA is like the NCAA they're both needing some rule changes.

**EKUAlum05** · 08-25-2011, 10:34 PM

HawksRule Wrote:All I'm saying is kids switch schools every day no matter how it is done. When these others switch we don't follow them home with a camera or blast them all over for it.

I wholeheartedly agree whoever went that far to film those kids needs to do some seriou soul searching.

But, that doesn't change the fact that what they found confirmed Chapman and Co. was doing things against the rules.

If someone committed armed robbery and never got caught does it change the fact they broke the law?

False Hope · 08-25-2011, 10:43 PM

I still dont understand how the kids are eligible after being rule ineligible, they are supposed to sit for one year in this case. I hate to see kids not get to play but the rule is very clear on this issue.

Big Don · 08-25-2011, 11:33 PM

What time does Coach's bus leave every morning from 70 miles out? Gotta be pretty early!

hawkeye · 08-26-2011, 12:05 AM

You would think that with football season here people would have more to talk about than something that happened in 2009. Look at this way when the Hawks beat the team you like, Thank the KHSAA.. lol

Jon419 · 08-26-2011, 09:32 AM

HawksRule Wrote:My good sir you are pitiful there is no need to punish a child and take football from him.

You misunderstand me, or maybe I misspoke.

I would never want to "Take" Football away from a kid. Everyone who goes to public school deserves a right to play the game if they want.

However, stay at your school to do it.

You say no child should have football taken from them, then let me ask you this... Doesnt recruiting "take" football, or at the very least that starting spot from the kid that would have played had the recruited player not been there. The kid it hurts is the kid who has played in Pike County his whole school career, only to have his position taken away by someone who was recruited to do so.

charlie22 · 08-26-2011, 10:13 AM

toussaints Wrote:again, im picking on the KHSAA for HOW THEY HANDLED IT. Even if it was someone other than Highlands, it was an ugly process. Don't get me wrong, Highlands won the finals without Mitchell and so they deserve it, but the KHSAA could've handled everything much smoother.

Being very familiar with the KHSAA and how they handled the Mitchell case and other cases back then, I'll totally agree with you that the KHSAA didn't handle things well back then. But I know things are night and day different at the KHSAA now. With the BOC of Control no longer involved in the eligibility process, all the baggage, personal feelings and off the record "evidence" (which was often times a bunch of rumors shared within the educators/coaching community) no longer is involved. Big, make that huge, positive change. Also the current Commissioner is heads and shoulders better about digging into the evidence before ruling than the prior Commissioner was. Nice lady, but in my opinion she was afraid to buck certain strong individuals that were on the Board of Control when she was Commissioner. That's definitely not the case with Tackett, although I'll admit that the composition of the Board of Control is a lot better than it was back when DeVries was the Commissioner. So Tackett has a much easier job leading the KHSAA.

08-26-2011, 01:51 PM

there is no privicey when your out in the public you can be vidio taped by the cops or the news media or anyone if your out in the public if you break the law or the rules in this case better do it out of the public eye

johntom2000 · 08-26-2011, 02:10 PM

Panther Thunder Wrote:Talk about getting off easy.

I feel there is more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know and it is saving its own butt from a lawsuit.

Oh well, I guess that is that. However, I don't see Chapman being thrilled about all that training. Interesting to see how long he hangs around.

Back to football for the Hawks.

Word around the block is, he is gone after this season. He's not getting what he was promised when he first came here. Hello Bell Co. or back to Jackson? (maybe?) Also been hearing the only reason why he got the Def. Coord from Middlesboro is some things he got caught doing things have done while he was there. They basically booted him. Also probably another reason is try to take down BIG RED (Belfry) one last time before he leaves. If that happends him and boggs is gone after this year and they walk out winners after 45+ years of taking beating from Pond Creek. I can't to see where boggs go to in college. :rockon: