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08-23-2011, 12:30 AM
KHSAA CONCLUDES PIKE COUNTY CENTRAL INVESTIGATION INCLUDING ISSUANCE OF PENALTIES
Officials at Pike County Central have imposed a series of penalties on the schoolâs football program following the receipt of results and findings of a nearly year-long KHSAA investigation of the schoolâs football program. In addition, KHSAA Commissioner Julian Tackett imposed sanctions within the KHSAA Bylaws based on the investigation.
The investigation centered on issues involving several association bylaws, with the efforts centered on KHSAA Bylaw6 (Transfer Rule) and Bylaw 10 (Recruiting) within the football program. As part of the findings, the KHSAA has agreed to accept the following self-imposed penalties by the Pike County Central administration:
Forfeit all wins from the 2010 season;
The head football coach will be suspended for one third of the teamâs scheduled football games for the 2011 season. One of those games includes the Pike County Bowl, one away contest and one home contest;
Development of a corrective action plan at Pike County Central within local district policies and based on proposed detailed elements;
Pike County Central will reimburse the KHSAA the out of pocket costs of the outside investigative assistance in the matter for in 2010-11 school year, approximately $3,000;
Institute a mandatory training session staffed by the Pike County Board of Education representatives on local district policies and expectations;
Institute a required training program for all coaches, as well as inclusion of the principal and athletic director, which shall be facilitated and conducted by KHSAA staff.
âI deeply understand the fact this is a black eye on our school district, and our school in particular, one that affects our staff, our students and myself personally,â said Pike County Central Principal David Rowe. âWe want to ensure that this or any similar event does not happen again. After consulting with the superintendent, we have implemented appropriate measures that we feel will do just that.â
In addition, the following penalties have been levied by the Association:
If one does not already exist, a written handbook of rules and expectations for those involved in athletics at Pike County Central shall be developed. If one already exists, it shall be revised to ensure inclusion of items discovered during the investigation. This is due to the KHSAA by December 1, 2011;
Submit written documentation that all self-penalties have been implemented;
The football program will be placed on probation and remain on probation through the remainder of the 2011 season. Any further violation of KHSAA rules will result in additional penalties, but does not impact game scheduling or playoff eligibility;
Pike County Central is issued an administrative fine in the amount of $3,500 for a lack of institutional control and failure to adequately monitor and ensure compliance with its football program. The fine shall be paid by the end of the 2011 football season.
âIt is never easy to place sanctions on a school and potentially penalize young people, their families and school communities,â said KHSAA Commissioner Julian Tackett. âHowever, the violations that have occurred are extremely serious in nature and our member schools expect this office to investigate and administer appropriate penalties prescribed by our bylaws. The administration at Pike County Central should be commended for the aggressive and decisive action in response to this situation. The proposed penalties represent a clear identification of the existing problems but strong leadership in resolving them and ensuring they do not happen again.â
The KHSAA will have no further comment on the issue. For additional comment please contact the administration at Pike County Central High School.
Officials at Pike County Central have imposed a series of penalties on the schoolâs football program following the receipt of results and findings of a nearly year-long KHSAA investigation of the schoolâs football program. In addition, KHSAA Commissioner Julian Tackett imposed sanctions within the KHSAA Bylaws based on the investigation.
The investigation centered on issues involving several association bylaws, with the efforts centered on KHSAA Bylaw6 (Transfer Rule) and Bylaw 10 (Recruiting) within the football program. As part of the findings, the KHSAA has agreed to accept the following self-imposed penalties by the Pike County Central administration:
Forfeit all wins from the 2010 season;
The head football coach will be suspended for one third of the teamâs scheduled football games for the 2011 season. One of those games includes the Pike County Bowl, one away contest and one home contest;
Development of a corrective action plan at Pike County Central within local district policies and based on proposed detailed elements;
Pike County Central will reimburse the KHSAA the out of pocket costs of the outside investigative assistance in the matter for in 2010-11 school year, approximately $3,000;
Institute a mandatory training session staffed by the Pike County Board of Education representatives on local district policies and expectations;
Institute a required training program for all coaches, as well as inclusion of the principal and athletic director, which shall be facilitated and conducted by KHSAA staff.
âI deeply understand the fact this is a black eye on our school district, and our school in particular, one that affects our staff, our students and myself personally,â said Pike County Central Principal David Rowe. âWe want to ensure that this or any similar event does not happen again. After consulting with the superintendent, we have implemented appropriate measures that we feel will do just that.â
In addition, the following penalties have been levied by the Association:
If one does not already exist, a written handbook of rules and expectations for those involved in athletics at Pike County Central shall be developed. If one already exists, it shall be revised to ensure inclusion of items discovered during the investigation. This is due to the KHSAA by December 1, 2011;
Submit written documentation that all self-penalties have been implemented;
The football program will be placed on probation and remain on probation through the remainder of the 2011 season. Any further violation of KHSAA rules will result in additional penalties, but does not impact game scheduling or playoff eligibility;
Pike County Central is issued an administrative fine in the amount of $3,500 for a lack of institutional control and failure to adequately monitor and ensure compliance with its football program. The fine shall be paid by the end of the 2011 football season.
âIt is never easy to place sanctions on a school and potentially penalize young people, their families and school communities,â said KHSAA Commissioner Julian Tackett. âHowever, the violations that have occurred are extremely serious in nature and our member schools expect this office to investigate and administer appropriate penalties prescribed by our bylaws. The administration at Pike County Central should be commended for the aggressive and decisive action in response to this situation. The proposed penalties represent a clear identification of the existing problems but strong leadership in resolving them and ensuring they do not happen again.â
The KHSAA will have no further comment on the issue. For additional comment please contact the administration at Pike County Central High School.
08-23-2011, 12:36 AM
Talk about getting off easy.
I feel there is more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know and it is saving its own butt from a lawsuit.
Oh well, I guess that is that. However, I don't see Chapman being thrilled about all that training. Interesting to see how long he hangs around.
Back to football for the Hawks.
I feel there is more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know and it is saving its own butt from a lawsuit.
Oh well, I guess that is that. However, I don't see Chapman being thrilled about all that training. Interesting to see how long he hangs around.
Back to football for the Hawks.
08-23-2011, 12:44 AM
The state championship teams at Pikeville were built around transfers and recruits. Now the KHSAA needs to be consistent across the board as there is much worse recruiting incidents and transfers at other schools, especially in basketball.
08-23-2011, 12:56 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:The state championship teams at Pikeville were built around transfers and recruits. Now the KHSAA needs to be consistent across the board as there is much worse recruiting incidents and transfers at other schools, especially in basketball.
I dunno what you're referring to :eyeroll:
08-23-2011, 01:02 AM
zaga_fan Wrote:I dunno what you're referring to :eyeroll:
Guess it's something with school PCC for the initals..
08-23-2011, 01:17 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:The state championship teams at Pikeville were built around transfers and recruits. Now the KHSAA needs to be consistent across the board as there is much worse recruiting incidents and transfers at other schools, especially in basketball.Clueless. You've bought into the myth. Have there been transfers? Sure have. But the 87-88-89 teams were built around these players (by year):
1987: Blair, Hackney, Wright, Mcnamee, and Deramus. Of those, Bobby Deramus was the transfer, his family moved all the way here from Texas for his dad's job. This ain't Belfry poaching from Matewan. All the others went to school at Pikeville all their lives, practically. I think McNamee started out at St. Francis (in Pikeville), which only went up to 6th grade (Catholic school), then went to Pikeville. That's it. Matt Blair's dad was a PHS alumni, as well as the rest of his family. Same for Robbie Wright, and Greg Hackney. Pikeville natives, all.
1988: Deramus, Howard (Hillard's son, Jason), Hackney, Honaker (Teddy, whose family was from Pikeville and his father played there too), Cox (Freddie Cox, whose father was a doctor here, also legit), Lance Rose, ditto. Jody Brown, ditto. Again, all homegrown except for Deramus.
1989: Steve Bailey (transfer from WV, featured running back, that's all I know about him, but I do know he legit moved here, family had housing over here), Allara (son of Bill Allara, coach for years at PHS) Lance Rose (see 1988), Chad Helvey (family from Pikeville, mother was an alumnus as I recall, went to Pikeville all his life), Blair (Matt's younger brother), and Jason Justice (whose family was all from Pikeville, born here and raised here).
Your arguement is hogwash. Those were all Pikeville boys on those teams, at least the mainstays and featured players. As for the linemen, etc., as I recall, ALL were homegrown boys. As I said before, I don't deny there were transfers, etc. But the state's first ever 3peat champion in football was homegrown talent in 98% of the case.
A little side note, if you go to the KHSAA site and look up the stats from previous state championship games, the 1988 play by play is HILARIOUS. Here is the link to the page, then after there, select "1988 stats/results" then game stats. It is about halfway down, Commentary included in the play by play is hilarious. http://www.khsaa.org/football/
08-23-2011, 01:20 AM
Panther Thunder Wrote:Talk about getting off easy.Chapman will take to that training like a cat takes to water....badly.
I feel there is more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know and it is saving its own butt from a lawsuit.
Oh well, I guess that is that. However, I don't see Chapman being thrilled about all that training. Interesting to see how long he hangs around.
Back to football for the Hawks.
:biggrin:
08-23-2011, 01:31 AM
If I had to guess Chapman might as well take the next 3 games off, against Phelps/Powell County & Shelby Valley.
Not a big deal IMO.
Not a big deal IMO.
08-23-2011, 01:32 AM
What is done for one, should be done for all. Pike Central is not the only school that has supposedly done this, and I for one still do not think anything was actually done. From what I can gather, it was accusations from an upset parent of a 2nd string player, who is not even at Pike Central anymore. KHSAA had to save face somehow, so just when it all started to die down, and things were getting back to normal, this article just so happens to come out? That seems a bit too coincidental to me. The Pike Central School has had their names drug through the mud, especially these boys..who are kids in case anyone has forgotten that. This has been going on long enough, and they need to leave it alone and try to let these kids enjoy their senior seasons. I for one, am sick of hearing about it, and am ready to move on. All the accusations, speculations, rumors, and other mud slinging coming from people who swear they know what is going on needs to just go away. Let's get back to football, THIS YEARS SEASON, and enjoy it while it is here. It seems to me that if any wrong doing was done, these boys wouldn't be playing right now, dont you think? So I hope that this will once again die down, so we can get back to talking about this season. :biggrin:
08-23-2011, 01:35 AM
J-Rod Wrote:If I had to guess Chapman might as well take the next 3 games off, against Phelps/Powell County & Shelby Valley.
Not a big deal IMO.
He will most likely be there for the Powell Co. game, seeing as how he was not at the Greenup Co. game. Greenup, Phelps and Shelby Valley would be 3. The article said one away, one home, and the bowl game. So that would be your three. That would be my guess anyway. :Thumbs:
08-23-2011, 01:39 AM
Panther Thunder Wrote:Talk about getting off easy.
I feel there is more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know and it is saving its own butt from a lawsuit.
Oh well, I guess that is that. However, I don't see Chapman being thrilled about all that training. Interesting to see how long he hangs around.
Back to football for the Hawks.
I will agree that there is probably more to this than what the KHSAA wants the public to know, and that they are covering their own you know whats. Which makes me wonder if they figured out they were in the wrong? (Just speculation- on that part). It's over now, so I agree, back to football :Thumbs:
08-23-2011, 03:23 AM
PHSForever Wrote:Clueless. You've bought into the myth. Have there been transfers? Sure have. But the 87-88-89 teams were built around these players (by year):
1987: Blair, Hackney, Wright, Mcnamee, and Deramus. Of those, Bobby Deramus was the transfer, his family moved all the way here from Texas for his dad's job. This ain't Belfry poaching from Matewan. All the others went to school at Pikeville all their lives, practically. I think McNamee started out at St. Francis (in Pikeville), which only went up to 6th grade (Catholic school), then went to Pikeville. That's it. Matt Blair's dad was a PHS alumni, as well as the rest of his family. Same for Robbie Wright, and Greg Hackney. Pikeville natives, all.
1988: Deramus, Howard (Hillard's son, Jason), Hackney, Honaker (Teddy, whose family was from Pikeville and his father played there too), Cox (Freddie Cox, whose father was a doctor here, also legit), Lance Rose, ditto. Jody Brown, ditto. Again, all homegrown except for Deramus.
1989: Steve Bailey (transfer from WV, featured running back, that's all I know about him, but I do know he legit moved here, family had housing over here), Allara (son of Bill Allara, coach for years at PHS) Lance Rose (see 1988), Chad Helvey (family from Pikeville, mother was an alumnus as I recall, went to Pikeville all his life), Blair (Matt's younger brother), and Jason Justice (whose family was all from Pikeville, born here and raised here).
Your arguement is hogwash. Those were all Pikeville boys on those teams, at least the mainstays and featured players. As for the linemen, etc., as I recall, ALL were homegrown boys. As I said before, I don't deny there were transfers, etc. But the state's first ever 3peat champion in football was homegrown talent in 98% of the case.
A little side note, if you go to the KHSAA site and look up the stats from previous state championship games, the 1988 play by play is HILARIOUS. Here is the link to the page, then after there, select "1988 stats/results" then game stats. It is about halfway down, Commentary included in the play by play is hilarious. http://www.khsaa.org/football/
You're such a hipocrite. You're bashing someone else for saying Pikeville's teams were made of recruits and then going on to say this person doesn't know what they're talking about. Well, neither do you. Coach Haywood's coaching staff HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER recruit any player(s) from other schools. Yes, players from WV go to Belfry, but that's just because Belfry has a rich tradition and very few places in the world can provide the kind of atmosphere that Belfry can. Furthermore, many of the WV residents that attend Belfry came through Belfry Middle School. I know many of them personally who went to Turkey Creek, Runyon, etc. before going on to the high school simply because they're parents went to Belfry. No need to assume that every kid that lives in WV and attends Belfry is a recruit.
I assume you're referring to such players as David Jones ('03/'04 state champ team) and possibly Jeffree Pruitt from last year's team. David left Matewan his sophomore year due to maltreatment from Matewan's coaching staff. Belfry's coaching staff had never even heard of him, nor had they seen him play. If third-party person(s) affected his decision, then that's his business, but FYI that is completely legal. The same situation goes for Jeffree. I know the kid personally, and he loved Belfry, even before he trasnferred. After his first game I personally heard him say he had never felt a feeling like that before, because there were 3,000+ fans in attendance.
Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.
08-23-2011, 04:23 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:The state championship teams at Pikeville were built around transfers and recruits. Now the KHSAA needs to be consistent across the board as there is much worse recruiting incidents and transfers at other schools, especially in basketball.
Totally false and ignorant statement. Not to mention has nothing to do with Pike Central. Get a clue before you post ignorant statements.:flush:
As for Pike Central, they got off easy with what amounts to a wakeup call. They should be fine as long as they toe the line...
08-23-2011, 04:31 AM
I hate that for Pike Central, and Coach Chapman and the kids. But with saying that I don't like recruiting. If a kid legit moves there not because of the coach, because their parents decide to move there because it would better financially or close to family. I just don't like it because when your moving kids in,your taking them away from kids that they have grown up with. Then you have the other side of it, when kids transfer in to play sports they are taking spots of other kids who where raised there. To me their is nothing like playing with kids that has grown up with you all your life and having one mission since pee wee football and that is winning a state title. That's what we did we won 2 state titles at Breathitt High, we had one transfer but he was born in breathitt and lived here until he was 5, and then moved to Michgan. He (Jonthan Chapman) moved back when he was in the 8th. Then he left when he was a sr. but not my choice. Now he is back at Breathitt were he belongs as defensive cord.
The bobcats have lost alot of talent to transfers in recent years. This year the bobcats have produced three starting qb's in the mountains. Richard Trent(Breathitt),Allan Boggs(Pike Central),kyle Huff(Perry Central) and also lossing a heck of a LB-SS in Corey Shouse are all orginally from Breathitt.
Now that is alot of talent to lose and the bobcats are still a state contender. To me that says alot about Holcomb and his coaching staff.
The bobcats have lost alot of talent to transfers in recent years. This year the bobcats have produced three starting qb's in the mountains. Richard Trent(Breathitt),Allan Boggs(Pike Central),kyle Huff(Perry Central) and also lossing a heck of a LB-SS in Corey Shouse are all orginally from Breathitt.
Now that is alot of talent to lose and the bobcats are still a state contender. To me that says alot about Holcomb and his coaching staff.
08-23-2011, 04:50 AM
I'm just glad there's some sort of probation and a punishment so everyone gets the message to not do it. Only thing I would've done differently is something similar to last year's punishment to Bruce Pearl, suspend him for 2 regular season games and 2 district games. (Which doesn't mean against Belfry, because I think we play them last.)
08-23-2011, 08:09 AM
FBfan4 Wrote:What is done for one, should be done for all. Pike Central is not the only school that has supposedly done this, and I for one still do not think anything was actually done. From what I can gather, it was accusations from an upset parent of a 2nd string player, who is not even at Pike Central anymore. KHSAA had to save face somehow, so just when it all started to die down, and things were getting back to normal, this article just so happens to come out? That seems a bit too coincidental to me. The Pike Central School has had their names drug through the mud, especially these boys..who are kids in case anyone has forgotten that. This has been going on long enough, and they need to leave it alone and try to let these kids enjoy their senior seasons. I for one, am sick of hearing about it, and am ready to move on. All the accusations, speculations, rumors, and other mud slinging coming from people who swear they know what is going on needs to just go away. Let's get back to football, THIS YEARS SEASON, and enjoy it while it is here. It seems to me that if any wrong doing was done, these boys wouldn't be playing right now, dont you think? So I hope that this will once again die down, so we can get back to talking about this season. :biggrin:
How can you make that statement? Take the blinders off! Not many of us like KHSAA, but they will NOT rule unless there is evidence! Evidence had to be conclusive. And wow, talk about just wanting to avoid it and act like it never happened - I sure hope that the Miami Hurricanes can just forget about those little incidents in the past and they should have no impact on the present. Let's just move on and play football like nothing ever happened!
08-23-2011, 08:10 AM
Tailback44 Wrote:Guess it's something with school PCC for the initals..
Actually that wasn't who I was talking about but good point.
08-23-2011, 08:31 AM
jetpilot Wrote:Totally false and ignorant statement. Not to mention has nothing to do with Pike Central. Get a clue before you post ignorant statements.:flush:
As for Pike Central, they got off easy with what amounts to a wakeup call. They should be fine as long as they toe the line...
Not as ignorant as you might think and connected to individuals involved more then you will ever know. I sure everyone in Pike County as well as many other states finds the comments about Pikeville being innocent and never being involved in any questionable transfers extremely hilarious. I may have overstated as far as numbers but those transfers didn't magically come here out of the blue. I sure running backs that rushed over a 1000 yards was not a big help in winning state titles. Yes, and there was always rumors about "housing". When it comes to laying the hammer down on schools, it seems to be pattern that its more politically correct to hammer down on county schools then on smaller independent schools with rich and politically connected boosters who can get parents jobs, find housing, and makes problems go away.
08-23-2011, 08:41 AM
Bigblue#4 Wrote:I hate that for Pike Central, and Coach Chapman and the kids. But with saying that I don't like recruiting. If a kid legit moves there not because of the coach, because their parents decide to move there because it would better financially or close to family. I just don't like it because when your moving kids in,your taking them away from kids that they have grown up with. Then you have the other side of it, when kids transfer in to play sports they are taking spots of other kids who where raised there. To me their is nothing like playing with kids that has grown up with you all your life and having one mission since pee wee football and that is winning a state title. That's what we did we won 2 state titles at Breathitt High, we had one transfer but he was born in breathitt and lived here until he was 5, and then moved to Michgan. He (Jonthan Chapman) moved back when he was in the 8th. Then he left when he was a sr. but not my choice. Now he is back at Breathitt were he belongs as defensive cord.
The bobcats have lost alot of talent to transfers in recent years. This year the bobcats have produced three starting qb's in the mountains. Richard Trent(Breathitt),Allan Boggs(Pike Central),kyle Huff(Perry Central) and also lossing a heck of a LB-SS in Corey Shouse are all orginally from Breathitt.
Now that is alot of talent to lose and the bobcats are still a state contender. To me that says alot about Holcomb and his coaching staff.
Not to mention players in other sports. LOL. You are correct and I commend Breathitt's coaches. One of the excuses that recipient schools use is they "don't recruit, their program does". Well how many state titles has Pike Central and Perry Central won compared to Breathitt County.
08-23-2011, 09:19 AM
I think the penalties should be a bit harsher towards the school and coach, but I am relieved that the KHSAA did the right thing by not punishing the players. The players in question were only trying to do the best thing to help their development, no reason for them to suffer at the expense of a school and coaching staffs negligence.
IMO, Chapman should have been suspended 4 games (two non-district, two district). As it stands now he is suspended for 3 games that are going to be "easy W's". The suspension should instead be for Greenup, Phelps, East Ridge, and Lawrence County. The Hawk's equipment manager could coach PC to wins over Phelps, Powell County, and Shelby Valley this year.
IMO, Chapman should have been suspended 4 games (two non-district, two district). As it stands now he is suspended for 3 games that are going to be "easy W's". The suspension should instead be for Greenup, Phelps, East Ridge, and Lawrence County. The Hawk's equipment manager could coach PC to wins over Phelps, Powell County, and Shelby Valley this year.
08-23-2011, 09:21 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:Not as ignorant as you might think and connected to individuals involved more then you will ever know. I sure everyone in Pike County as well as many other states finds the comments about Pikeville being innocent and never being involved in any questionable transfers extremely hilarious. I may have overstated as far as numbers but those transfers didn't magically come here out of the blue. I sure running backs that rushed over a 1000 yards was not a big help in winning state titles. Yes, and there was always rumors about "housing". When it comes to laying the hammer down on schools, it seems to be pattern that its more politically correct to hammer down on county schools then on smaller independent schools with rich and politically connected boosters who can get parents jobs, find housing, and makes problems go away.I never said there were not transfers of impact. You said the state championship teams at Pikeville were "built around transfers and recruits". I pointed out the error of your statement. My house isn't glass. Sounds to me like YOU might be a little sore your old school got caught. As far as I can remember, Pikeville was investigated twice in my life time. One time they had to forfeit 4 games because I believe the player was actually academically ineligible at his previous school, which was supposed to apply when he transferred. The other time, nothing happened because it was found to be legitimate transfer. Those are the only two incidents I'm aware of in my life time. I find it hilarious that you think they crack down more on county schools than smaller independent schools. Of course they do. There are far more county schools than independent ones, so there's always going to be what appears to be a disproportionate amount of punishment of "county schools" versus city schools.
And to the poster who thinks I was calling out Belfry, I meant their proximity to WV makes it easy to get players from there. I'm sure they were ALL legitimate. :eyeroll:
08-23-2011, 09:56 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:Not as ignorant as you might think and connected to individuals involved more then you will ever know. I sure everyone in Pike County as well as many other states finds the comments about Pikeville being innocent and never being involved in any questionable transfers extremely hilarious. I may have overstated as far as numbers but those transfers didn't magically come here out of the blue. I sure running backs that rushed over a 1000 yards was not a big help in winning state titles. Yes, and there was always rumors about "housing". When it comes to laying the hammer down on schools, it seems to be pattern that its more politically correct to hammer down on county schools then on smaller independent schools with rich and politically connected boosters who can get parents jobs, find housing, and makes problems go away.
Every bit as ignorant as I might think. I have lived in Pikeville my whole life and know every player on those teams. You are way off base and have now been called out on your false claims. Pikeville has had trouble with one transfer in their history that I can recall and the player wasn't even one of the top players on his team that year. But feel free to actually back your claim up with any "facts" you might have. Until then you continue to have ZERO credibility on the subject.
One more thing to add to PHS Forever's post. B. Deramus's mother lived in Pikeville for many years before he came to live with her.
Now give some names and facts to back up your crazy claims or just admit what we already know, that you don't know what you're talking about.
Pure and simple, 95%+ of the Pikeville championship teams were made up of born and raised Pikeville boys. :dontthink
08-23-2011, 09:59 AM
Ah lord....
08-23-2011, 10:32 AM
jetpilot Wrote:Every bit as ignorant as I might think. I have lived in Pikeville my whole life and know every player on those teams. You are way off base and have now been called out on your false claims. Pikeville has had trouble with one transfer in their history that I can recall and the player wasn't even one of the top players on his team that year. But feel free to actually back your claim up with any "facts" you might have. Until then you continue to have ZERO credibility on the subject.
One more thing to add to PHS Forever's post. B. Deramus's mother lived in Pikeville for many years before he came to live with her.
Now give some names and facts to back up your crazy claims or just admit what we already know, that you don't know what you're talking about.
Pure and simple, 95%+ of the Pikeville championship teams were made up of born and raised Pikeville boys. :dontthink
Not as ignorant as the people who think I am from Pike Central. Not being investigated doesn't mean it didn't happen. I see that you stated that Deramus came to live with his mother. A previous poster stated he came there from Texas with his father due to his father's job. Which one is the truth? Sounds like you guys need to get your story straight. Rumors were always flying about jobs and housing. People losing their jobs whenever their child graduated. Bailey Boys coming from West Virginia along with the Varneys(some played at different schools at the same time), Garvins as well as others. Regardless of what percentage of the championship teams were homegrown or transfers, Pikeville always had a notorious reputation for recruiting whether it could be proven or not or whether they even tried to prove it. I do not believe Pikeville would have won any state titles without Deramus or Bailey. Jetset, you can sit in your glass house up on Snob Nob in Pikeville and look down on me as being ignorant, but the last thing I worry about is the opinion of a Dip@#$% from Pikeville.
08-23-2011, 10:44 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:Not as ignorant as the people who think I am from Pike Central. Not being investigated doesn't mean it didn't happen. I see that you stated that Deramus came to live with his mother. A previous poster stated he came there from Texas with his father due to his father's job. Which one is the truth? Sounds like you guys need to get your story straight. Rumors were always flying about jobs and housing. People losing their jobs whenever their child graduated. Bailey Boys coming from West Virginia along with the Varneys(some played at different schools at the same time), Garvins as well as others. Regardless of what percentage of the championship teams were homegrown or transfers, Pikeville always had a notorious reputation for recruiting whether it could be proven or not or whether they even tried to prove it. I do not believe Pikeville would have won any state titles without Deramus or Bailey. Jetset, you can sit in your glass house up on Snob Nob in Pikeville and look down on me as being ignorant, but the last thing I worry about is the opinion of a Dip@#$% from Pikeville.It has been 25 years. If I got it wrong about Deramus coming here to live with his mother or his father's job, blame that on passing years. Irregardless, it is not relevant. Go look at the stats on the link I posted to KHSAA, Hackney was the featured back is 87 and 88. Deramus was a hard runner, and fast, but Hackney was "the man" both years. 34 carries in the 88 game alone vs Deramus's 15. Pikeville would have been just fine without Deramus. He was a piece of the puzzle. The 89 team relied MUCH more on Bailey, I will admit. That team didn't really have a workhorse RB other than him. And to use your own words, those were RUMORS that were always flying around. It was a different rumor every week, and ALMOST always just from jealousy. People couldn't beat Pikeville, so they just tried to drag them through the mud, like you are.
08-23-2011, 11:06 AM
OrangenowBlue Wrote:Not as ignorant as the people who think I am from Pike Central. Not being investigated doesn't mean it didn't happen. I see that you stated that Deramus came to live with his mother. A previous poster stated he came there from Texas with his father due to his father's job. Which one is the truth? Sounds like you guys need to get your story straight. Rumors were always flying about jobs and housing. People losing their jobs whenever their child graduated. Bailey Boys coming from West Virginia along with the Varneys(some played at different schools at the same time), Garvins as well as others. Regardless of what percentage of the championship teams were homegrown or transfers, Pikeville always had a notorious reputation for recruiting whether it could be proven or not or whether they even tried to prove it. I do not believe Pikeville would have won any state titles without Deramus or Bailey. Jetset, you can sit in your glass house up on Snob Nob in Pikeville and look down on me as being ignorant, but the last thing I worry about is the opinion of a Dip@#$% from Pikeville.
Still no facts, and now resorting to name calling. Weak, weak, weak.
Continue to wallow in your ignorance and jealousy.:zzz:
08-23-2011, 11:09 AM
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jetpilot Wrote:Still no facts, and now resorting to name calling. Weak, weak, weak.What's Pike Central or whatever school you are from ever done to make us jealous of you? Unless you are from Belfry, jealousy isn't a good card to lead with, dude. Get over it. Sanctions have been imposed, best of luck to Pike Central this year. I have a couple ties to the team, so I really do wish them well.
Continue to wallow in your ignorance and jealousy.:zzz:
On a side note, how did their JV team look last night? Anyone stand out?
Oops, just realized I replied to JP. Sorry, meant to reply to the other dude, JP.
08-23-2011, 11:32 AM
jetpilot Wrote:Still no facts, and now resorting to name calling. Weak, weak, weak.
Continue to wallow in your ignorance and jealousy.:zzz:
Jealousy?
08-23-2011, 11:41 AM
Cheat, get caught, get a slap on the wrist. The KHSAA has no marbles.
08-23-2011, 11:46 AM
Orange..(Whitesburg)..now..Blue..(Letcher Central)
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