Jude/Wales Record Tracker

**RunItUpTheGut** · 08-20-2011, 10:48 AM

I thought it would be fun to start a thread on the progress of these two young men as they rush toward breaking the all time state rushing record.

As of last night Anthony Wales rushed for 166 yards.
Thats puts Wales up to 5,595 yards for his career.

JC didnt play last night, so jude is still at 5,515.
But JC does play Heath tonight so i would assume you can go ahead and bet money that Jude will take the lead back. Jude honestly has a chance to go over 6000 tonight.

The Record is currently held by Derek Homer with 8,224 yards.

**Cardinalfootballguy** · 08-20-2011, 12:02 PM

Gonna be a interesting battle between the 2 but I feel that Wales will have a harder time breaking the record playing tougher competition on that end of the state.

**RunItUpTheGut** · 08-20-2011, 12:10 PM

CardinalAlum Wrote:Gonna be a interesting battle between the 2 but I feel that Wales will have a harder time breaking the record playing tougher competition on that end of the state.

Agreed

**LWC** · 08-20-2011, 01:01 PM

^Ditto. I heard someone say that 166 yards against Manual would equate to 500 yards against Heath.

Eagle Pride 90` · 08-20-2011, 01:16 PM

LWC Wrote:^Ditto. I heard someone say that 166 yards against Manual would equate to 500 yards against Heath.

What would the 400+ against cov cath and the 200+ against highlands and boyle last year equate to?

**LWC** · 08-20-2011, 01:33 PM

Eagle Pride 90` Wrote:What would the 400+ against cov cath and the 200+ against highlands and boyle last year equate to?

Good games. I am not saying that one back is better than the other. I am saying that people are going to go crazy because Jude will get 300 400 or 500 yards against Heath, but they have to keep perspective.

**Hoot Gibson** · 08-20-2011, 01:39 PM

If he stays healthy, Jude will easily finish ahead of Wales in yards per game. The only factor that will work against Jude in finishing ahead of Wales in career rushing yardage is that JC has a young team and reaching the regional finals this year will be more difficult than it was in the past couple of years.

Ashland and Covington Catholic both appear to be much improved over last year, so Jude may not get to play as many games this season as last, depending on how deep of a playoff run Johnson Central makes. Wales will, in all probability be playing in the state finals.

**Hoot Gibson** · 08-20-2011, 01:51 PM

LWC Wrote:Good games. I am not saying that one back is better than the other. I am saying that people are going to go crazy because Jude will get 300 400 or 500 yards against Heath, but they have to keep perspective.

That's true, but people tend to forget that Jude plays just as hard and just as physical on defense as he does on offense. IMO, no single player in the state contributes any more to his team's success than Jude does.

Many people seem to underestimate the role that Jude's physical endurance has played in his success as a running back. I keep reading posts that say, if only Coach X allowed ________ to get more carries, he would be shattering records too - as if any player can double or triple their number of carries (taking away the element of surprise and adding fatigue to the equation) while maintaining their speed and effectiveness. Few can.

Diogenes · 08-20-2011, 03:49 PM

What will help Wales is that his team will probably get at least two extra games over Johnson Central this season during the playoffs, because 3A is so weak annually. The easy part of Louisville Central's schedule begins AFTER the regular season. I would think the Yellowjackets losing to Tilghman in the state semis is really the only legitimate hope Jude has of holding onto the record if he should even get it, unless he can open up a truly insurmountable lead over the first 12 games before JC would meet Highlands.

**RunItUpTheGut** · 08-21-2011, 12:02 AM

So after this weekend
Jude is at 5,828
Wales is at 5,595

MayfieldCardinal · 08-21-2011, 12:12 AM

Hoot Gibson Wrote:If he stays healthy, Jude will easily finish ahead of Wales in yards per game. The only factor that will work against Jude in finishing ahead of Wales in career rushing yardage is that JC has a young team and reaching the regional finals this year will be more difficult than it was in the past couple of years.

Ashland and Covington Catholic both appear to be much improved over last year, so Jude may not get to play as many games this season as last, depending on how deep of a playoff run Johnson Central makes. Wales will, in all probability be playing in the state finals.

Kinda balances out if you ask me, Central's schedule is a little better. JC could have placed a better opening opponet on the schedule than Heath that would have actually benefitted someone other than Jude's record chase. Heath in no way shape or form helped JC get any better as a team.

Coachdad · 08-21-2011, 12:35 AM

Agreed

Coachdad · 08-21-2011, 12:36 AM

CardinalAlum Wrote:Gonna be a interesting battle between the 2 but I feel that Wales will have a harder time breaking the record playing tougher competition on that end of the state.

Agreed

**LWC** · 08-21-2011, 12:43 AM

Come on, you know that Jude is gonna get a 600 or more yard lead, and it is going to come down to the wire.

***zaga_fan*** · 08-21-2011, 01:48 AM

How dare Johnson Central run the score up with Jude!!!!
They gave him the ball a total of 9 times!
That's too many...

highschoolfan · 08-21-2011, 01:54 AM

:Clap::Clap:

Eagle Pride 90` Wrote:What would the 400+ against cov cath and the 200+ against highlands and boyle last year equate to?

:Clap::Clap::lmao:

**Hoot Gibson** · 08-21-2011, 08:30 AM

MayfieldCardinal Wrote:Kinda balances out if you ask me, Central's schedule is a little better. JC could have placed a better opening opponet on the schedule than Heath that would have actually benefitted someone other than Jude's record chase. Heath in no way shape or form helped JC get any better as a team.

If Matney makes JC's schedule out solely to improve Jude's shot at this record, then why did he schedule both Bell and Boyle to open the Golden Eagle's season the past couple of seasons? And if he scheduled Heath to pad Jude's stats, then why would he only call his number a grand total of 9 times last night?

Your allegations do not make much sense when you look at the facts of the matter.

**Stardust** · 08-21-2011, 08:58 AM

Eagle Pride 90` Wrote:What would the 400+ against cov cath and the 200+ against highlands and boyle last year equate to?

For Wales, I guess it means 500 and 300 :popcorn:

Diogenes · 08-21-2011, 12:27 PM

Stardust Wrote:For Wales, I guess it means 500 and 300 :popcorn:

Nice try to incite an argument. Watch the highlight videos of Jude and Wales. Jude is stronger, and appears to be just as fast. If Jude played for the other Central, I believe he'd average more YPC than Wales due to his superior ability to shed tacklers. The rest of the world may smugly assume that Wales is automatically a better athlete because he's from the city, but that's not always the truth.

Coachdad · 08-21-2011, 12:53 PM

CardinalAlum Wrote:Gonna be a interesting battle between the 2 but I feel that Wales will have a harder time breaking the record playing tougher competition on that end of the state.

Diogenes Wrote:Nice try to incite an argument. Watch the highlight videos of Jude and Wales. Jude is stronger, and appears to be just as fast. If Jude played for the other Central, I believe he'd average more YPC than Wales due to his superior ability to shed tacklers. The rest of the world may smugly assume that Wales is automatically a better athlete because he's from the city, but that's not always the truth.

Maybe all the D-1 schools will come beating down judes door.

Coach Booth · 08-21-2011, 06:19 PM

Coachdad Wrote:Maybe all the D-1 schools will come beating down judes door.

For the life of me I can't figure out why they aren't. No doubt both of them are great running backs, but all I here by the so called experts that Jude is too small. Wales is listed at 5'9" and 170 pounds and Jude is 5'11" and 175 pounds. My question is if Jude is considered too small why isn't Wales? They both are neck and neck in the speed department while Jude's is way ahead in the weight room. I just don't understand the logic here.

**Stardust** · 08-21-2011, 06:32 PM

Diogenes Wrote:Nice try to incite an argument. Watch the highlight videos of Jude and Wales. Jude is stronger, and appears to be just as fast. If Jude played for the other Central, I believe he'd average more YPC than Wales due to his superior ability to shed tacklers. The rest of the world may smugly assume that Wales is automatically a better athlete because he's from the city, but that's not always the truth.

I doubt that anyone bases their opinions on whether Wales is from the city. I'm confident they base it on the level of the competition! You are making an "opinion" that Jude is stronger and appears to be as fast, but you don't know. Maybe, just Maybe, Wales playing the same level of competition as JJ, could possibly do even better? Is that remotely possible?????

Hatz · 08-21-2011, 07:37 PM

Eagle Pride 90` Wrote:What would the 400+ against cov cath and the 200+ against highlands and boyle last year equate to?

Let me start by saying that most Boyle fans that saw him last year place Jude as the best back the Rebels faced last season.

But he didn't get 200+ rushing vs. HHS or Boyle. Close but not 200.

KHSAA shows Boyle gave up 196 in the game. Because JC never turned in stats last year I don't know what he was officially credited for but unless every other back lost yards, odds are it wasn't 200.

Against HHS the team was listed as gaining 172 on the ground. So no 200 there.

I think Jude has to be one of the premier backs in the state and I wish him well on breaking the record. I just wish JC had turned in stats so we could see the remarkable things the kid does week in and week out for his team. :Thumbs:

Eagle Pride 90` · 08-21-2011, 08:19 PM

Hatz Wrote:Let me start by saying that most Boyle fans that saw him last year place Jude as the best back the Rebels faced last season.

But he didn't get 200+ rushing vs. HHS or Boyle. Close but not 200.

KHSAA shows Boyle gave up 196 in the game. Because JC never turned in stats last year I don't know what he was officially credited for but unless every other back lost yards, odds are it wasn't 200.

Against HHS the team was listed as gaining 172 on the ground. So no 200 there.

I think Jude has to be one of the premier backs in the state and I wish him well on breaking the record. I just wish JC had turned in stats so we could see the remarkable things the kid does week in and week out for his team. :Thumbs:

Have nothing but respect for boyle highland cov cath and heath. I don't care if he only had a hundred against all of them. He is one of the best backs I have seen. Baring any injuries he will have a heck of a year to go along with the rest of his carreer. He has done it against good and bad teams.

Hatz · 08-21-2011, 08:24 PM

Eagle Pride 90` Wrote:Have nothing but respect for boyle highland cov cath and heath. I don't care if he only had a hundred against all of them. He is one of the best backs I have seen. Baring any injuries he will have a heck of a year to go along with the rest of his carreer. He has done it against good and bad teams.

I agree :Thumbs:

Coachdad · 08-21-2011, 09:07 PM

Coach Booth Wrote:For the life of me I can't figure out why they aren't. No doubt both of them are great running backs, but all I here by the so called experts that Jude is too small. Wales is listed at 5'9" and 170 pounds and Jude is 5'11" and 175 pounds. My question is if Jude is considered too small why isn't Wales? They both are neck and neck in the speed department while Jude's is way ahead in the weight room. I just don't understand the logic here.

Wales can stop on a dime ...change direction ... Do spin moves ...natural vision ,smooth moves with stop & go acceleration ... Basically all the entangible natural abilities you can't coach.

Diogenes · 08-21-2011, 09:10 PM

Here you go:

http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/1972146-anthony-wales

"Anthony ran a PR of 11.11 in the 100m at Region 3 Class AA, placing first." (May 17, 2011)

http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/1401513-jj-jude

" J.j. ran a PR of 11.08 in the 100m at Johnson Central All-Comers, placing first." (May 10, 2011)

So Jude's personal record in the 100m in officially timed and reported races is slightly faster than Wales's time at the distance, one week apart. Plus, Jude is the state wrestling champion at 171 pounds, which should tell you something about his strength.

http://footballstarsoftomorrow.com/player.php?pid=249

Jude is listed with a 325 lb bench press and a 445 lb squat, to be more specific.

Of course, some will never let the facts get in the way of their opinions...

**Bob Seger** · 08-21-2011, 09:12 PM

Coachdad Wrote:Wales can stop on a dime ...change direction ... Do spin moves ...natural vision ,smooth moves with stop & go acceleration ... Basically all the entangible natural abilities you can't coach.

As can Jude, while dragging two would be tacklers with him while in doing so.

You probably saw Jude play as a freshman when Louisville Central came to Johnson Central for that infamous schellacking about three years ago. Were you able to make that trip Coachdad? I guess more importantly, if you did, how was the long trip back to the big city??

What say, Coachdad?????? Did you ever take the time to watch his highlight video?

Diogenes · 08-21-2011, 09:15 PM

Bob Seger Wrote:As can Jude, while dragging two would be tacklers with him while in doing so.

You probably saw Jude play as a freshman when Louisville Central came to Johnson Central for that infamous schellacking about three years ago.

Speaking of levels of competition... Confused

hh:

**Bob Seger** · 08-21-2011, 09:17 PM

Hatz Wrote:Let me start by saying that most Boyle fans that saw him last year place Jude as the best back the Rebels faced last season.

But he didn't get 200+ rushing vs. HHS or Boyle. Close but not 200.

KHSAA shows Boyle gave up 196 in the game. Because JC never turned in stats last year I don't know what he was officially credited for but unless every other back lost yards, odds are it wasn't 200.

Against HHS the team was listed as gaining 172 on the ground. So no 200 there.

I think Jude has to be one of the premier backs in the state and I wish him well on breaking the record. I just wish JC had turned in stats so we could see the remarkable things the kid does week in and week out for his team. :Thumbs:

Now that kind of dispells the theory that Matney is a stat padder then, doesn't it. He is accused of doing so, but yet never turns stats in???

That really makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?