[TheRealThing]

The

The party Called Democrat lol? Yes a few members determine the legacy of all other democrats.

Does David Vitter represent you party? Do all of you love prostitutes?

Bill Clinton may have Broke the law, And it wasnt a big deal to us, Mainly because the Economy was doing great, Unemployment was low. And things was going good.

The point was that of those on the House Judiciary Committee that spoke up as point men for Clinton, a big percent are in trouble or have been in trouble. It's not personal the way you seem to be suggesting, anybody can look this stuff up. If I have in any way misstated the facts call me out on it

[Hoot Gibson]

The party Called Democrat lol? Yes a few members determine the legacy of all other democrats.

Does David Vitter represent you party? Do all of you love prostitutes?

Bill Clinton may have Broke the law, And it wasnt a big deal to us, Mainly because the Economy was doing great, Unemployment was low. And things was going good.

I forget, did David Vitter spend days on end blaming liberal Democrats for his problems? Did he lie when he was caught red-handed or did he apologize to his constituents and family immediately? You are assuming that most Republicans condone what Vitter did and defended him. Please search the archives and point out where I did such a thing. Lawmakers should resign when caught breeching the public trust in a major way.

All that being said, are we supposed to be focusing on David Vitter while Anthony Weiner thrust himself into the limelight with press conference after press conference and lie after lie and while many Democrats are demanding an investigation or his immediate resignation? Is there something abnormal about focusing on current politics in a Political forum, or should we ask for a new History forum?

[Wildcatk23]

Needless to say u Brought up Clinton.

[Wildcatk23]

I forget, did David Vitter spend days on end blaming liberal Democrats for his problems? Did he lie when he was caught red-handed or did he apologize to his constituents and family immediately? You are assuming that most Republicans condone what Vitter did and defended him. Please search the archives and point out where I did such a thing. Lawmakers should resign when caught breeching the public trust in a major way.

All that being said, are we supposed to be focusing on David Vitter while Anthony Weiner thrust himself into the limelight with press conference after press conference and lie after lie and while many Democrats are demanding an investigation or his immediate resignation? Is there something abnormal about focusing on current politics in a Political forum, or should we ask for a new History forum?

I forget was Weiner showing his Weiner a federal Offense?

[Hoot Gibson]

I forget was Weiner showing his Weiner a federal Offense?

I don't think it is unless one of those young ladies on Twitter who claimed to be 21 years old was actually 15. You see, with Twitter there is no way to be sure that somebody engaged in the equivalent of phone sex is stupid enough to post their real name and post their real picture and send it to people who may or may not be adults.

In Weiner's case, he added to his problems by calling one of the women who just couldn't wait to see him naked from his Congressional office on a line which had caller id enabled.

Forget the morality or lack thereof - does Weiner's stupidity not trouble you?

BTW, using government phones and other equipment in the manner that Weiner did probably is a federal offense or a violation of House rules at the very least.

[Wildcatk23]

I don't think it is unless one of those young ladies on Twitter who claimed to be 21 years old was actually 15. You see, with Twitter there is no way to be sure that somebody engaged in the equivalent of phone sex is stupid enough to post their real name and post their real picture and send it to people who may or may not be adults.

In Weiner's case, he added to his problems by calling one of the women who just couldn't wait to see him naked from his Congressional office on a line which had caller id enabled.

Forget the morality or lack thereof - does Weiner's stupidity not trouble you?

BTW, using government phones and other equipment in the manner that Weiner did probably is a federal offense or a violation of House rules at the very least.

I am not defending Weiner im defending the fact that the view on here of one democrat is taken for them all.

I was just stating that the Republican Commited a Federal Offense and kept his Job.

ANd no i dont think weiner should keep his. I think he should resign or be taken to jail. One of the 2.

[Hoot Gibson]

I am not defending Weiner im defending the fact that the view on here of one democrat is taken for them all.

I was just stating that the Republican Commited a Federal Offense and kept his Job.

ANd no i dont think weiner should keep his. I think he should resign or be taken to jail. One of the 2.

If you are referring to Vitter, engaging prostitutes is not a federal offense. If it was, the state of Nevada would have some serious explaining to do. Very few crimes should be federal offenses, IMO, but that doesn't make crimes like run-of-the mill murders any less serious.

I really don't care whether Weiner keeps his job or not. New York has shown that it has an endless supply of corrupt liberals dying to take his place - and if he resigns it will be a liberal Democrat who will fill his tiny shoes. If Weiner were my Congressman, then I would be demanding that he resign to spare my district further embarrassment. Liberal New Yorkers are not easily embarrassed regardless what their elected officials do.

[TheRealVille]

If you are referring to Vitter, engaging prostitutes is not a federal offense. If it was, the state of Nevada would have some serious explaining to do. Very few crimes should be federal offenses, IMO, but that doesn't make crimes like run-of-the mill murders any less serious.

I really don't care whether Weiner keeps his job or not. New York has shown that it has an endless supply of corrupt liberals dying to take his place - and if he resigns it will be a liberal Democrat who will fill his tiny shoes. If Weiner were my Congressman, then I would be demanding that he resign to spare my district further embarrassment. Liberal New Yorkers are not easily embarrassed regardless what their elected officials do.

Would you ask the same of Vitter?

[jetpilot]

Would you ask the same of Vitter?

Vitter's deal is not in the same universe as Weiner's.
Weiner is merely a creepy bastard for sending all that computer junk. But all the lying and actually blaming it on a right wing conspiracy and calling Brietbart a hack makes him a lying scumbag who is unfit to be a US Congressman.

Vitter had already confessed to his wife and worked it out, and didn't lie about anything when the public found out 7 years later.

[TheRealVille]

Vitter's deal is not in the same universe as Weiner's.
Weiner is merely a creepy bastard for sending all that computer junk. But all the lying and actually blaming it on a right wing conspiracy and calling Brietbart a hack makes him a lying scumbag who is unfit to be a US Congressman.

Vitter had already confessed to his wife and worked it out, and didn't lie about anything when the public found out 7 years later.

:please:

[jetpilot]

:please:

Thought it would be way too complicated for you.

[Wildcatk23]

:please:

Its ok if there side does it. But awful when the Dark side does anything. Get use to it Ville.

[TheRealThing]

The party Called Democrat lol? Yes a few members determine the legacy of all other democrats.

Does David Vitter represent you party? Do all of you love prostitutes?

Bill Clinton may have Broke the law, And it wasnt a big deal to us, Mainly because the Economy was doing great, Unemployment was low. And things was going good.

Like I said before, the reason things were going so well for Clinton was because the previous administration fixed things so well. Those of us who remember the misery of the Carter years, can attest to the financial turn around of the Reagan years. There is no argument, history proves Reagan was right. And my bank balance exploded during Reagan's administration.

The attack of September 11, 2001 caused a lot of the economic downturn that we grapple with to this very day. The month before 9/11 the unemployment rate was 4.9%. We lost TRILLIONS of dollars as a direct result of the attack. Any other economy would have gone bust but, ours looks to be able to weather the storm, barely. This wasn't anyone's fault, it was an act of war. At the end of W's administration, in Oct. of 2008 the unemployment rate was 6.5%. Americans would be doing back flips if they could say that now.

You really don't think it's a problem when federal lawmakers can't be trusted to tell the truth? To me that's a great big deal. I vote for the candidate I think I can trust and, it doesn't matter what stripe they are. I don't give a flip what party they say they are, it doesn't mean anything to me. Liberals have aligned themselves with toxic issues and it is hurting them.

I fought for my country in a real war, Viet Nam. My service doesn't measure up to those who gave all but, it will do for anything short of same. I love my country and I'm proud of my military years. Rest assured I will vote against any slimey pervert I can get a bead on. When our government asks good men to go overseas and put their lives in harms way to defend out way of life you can bet they don't want to be lied to. When we get back home and have listen to a bunch of lying liberals trying to compromise many of the principles we fought for it is sickening. I earned the right to speak my mind. And just as I will call out public officials that treat me with zero respect by lying to me. So have I risked all to defend and support those who serve with honor.

[Wildcatk23]

Like I said before, the reason things were going so well for Clinton was because the previous administration fixed things so well. Those of us who remember the misery of the Carter years, can attest to the financial turn around of the Reagan years. There is no argument, history proves Reagan was right. And my bank balance exploded during Reagan's administration.

The attack of September 11, 2001 caused a lot of the economic downturn that we grapple with to this very day. The month before 9/11 the unemployment rate was 4.9%. We lost TRILLIONS of dollars as a direct result of the attack. Any other economy would have gone bust but, ours looks to be able to weather the storm, barely. This wasn't anyone's fault, it was an act of war. At the end of W's administration, in Oct. of 2008 the unemployment rate was 6.5%. Americans would be doing back flips if they could say that now.

You really don't think it's a problem when federal lawmakers can't be trusted to tell the truth? To me that's a great big deal. I vote for the candidate I think I can trust and, it doesn't matter what stripe they are. I don't give a flip what party they say they are, it doesn't mean anything to me. Liberals have aligned themselves with toxic issues and it is hurting them.

I fought for my country in a real war, Viet Nam. My service doesn't measure up to those who gave all but, it will do for anything short of same. I love my country and I'm proud of my military years. Rest assured I will vote against any slimey pervert I can get a bead on. When our government asks good men to go overseas and put their lives in harms way to defend out way of life you can bet they don't want to be lied to. When we get back home and have listen to a bunch of lying liberals trying to compromise many of the principles we fought for it is sickening. I earned the right to speak my mind. And just as I will call out public officials that treat me with zero respect by lying to me. So have I risked all to defend and support those who serve with honor.

Great for you, You served your Country.

ANd now u defend the same bastards that's sent u over there for nothing but a shit hole in the first place. If the conservatives wasn't so worried about claiming Iraq Had WOMD and spending Billions of Dollars on false finding how much money would have been saved. How many families wouldn't be broken. Would i have watched family members leave on a plane for something they thought was right, Then we found out everything they was fighting for was complete and total lies. But guess what, theyll never know that.

I believe we were obligated to the Vietnam War by virtue of our agreement in 1954 to support the government of South Vietnam. It was our Duty.

The Domino affect i believe could have happened who knows.

[Wildcatk23]

Like I said before, the reason things were going so well for Clinton was because the previous administration fixed things so well. Those of us who remember the misery of the Carter years, can attest to the financial turn around of the Reagan years. There is no argument, history proves Reagan was right. And my bank balance exploded during Reagan's administration.

The attack of September 11, 2001 caused a lot of the economic downturn that we grapple with to this very day. The month before 9/11 the unemployment rate was 4.9%. We lost TRILLIONS of dollars as a direct result of the attack. Any other economy would have gone bust but, ours looks to be able to weather the storm, barely. This wasn't anyone's fault, it was an act of war. At the end of W's administration, in Oct. of 2008 the unemployment rate was 6.5%. Americans would be doing back flips if they could say that now.

You really don't think it's a problem when federal lawmakers can't be trusted to tell the truth? To me that's a great big deal. I vote for the candidate I think I can trust and, it doesn't matter what stripe they are. I don't give a flip what party they say they are, it doesn't mean anything to me. Liberals have aligned themselves with toxic issues and it is hurting them.

I fought for my country in a real war, Viet Nam. My service doesn't measure up to those who gave all but, it will do for anything short of same. I love my country and I'm proud of my military years. Rest assured I will vote against any slimey pervert I can get a bead on. When our government asks good men to go overseas and put their lives in harms way to defend out way of life you can bet they don't want to be lied to. When we get back home and have listen to a bunch of lying liberals trying to compromise many of the principles we fought for it is sickening. I earned the right to speak my mind. And just as I will call out public officials that treat me with zero respect by lying to me. So have I risked all to defend and support those who serve with honor.

And it was gradually raising every month. He just got lucky and jumped shit. What was it when he left office in Jan?

Still Rising?

[TheRealThing]

Okay, unemployment raised a point and a half in 8 years under Bush then raised 3 points in 18 months under Obama. The only difference is Obama lied about it and blamed Bush for everything and W took it like an man.

[Hoot Gibson]

Would you ask the same of Vitter?

In a heartbeat. In fact, if Vitter had been my representative I would have been more motivated to see him booted because I most likely would have helped elect him in the first place. Weiner is more of an embarrassment to the liberal Democrats in his district than to those who never voted for him.

Weiner is distracting attention away from Democrats' efforts to convince Americans that they are really doing a great job despite rising inflation and unemployment. And in order to make lies believable, voters must hear them repeatedly until a majority believes up is down.

[Hoot Gibson]

Great for you, You served your Country.

ANd now u defend the same bastards that's sent u over there for nothing but a shit hole in the first place. If the conservatives wasn't so worried about claiming Iraq Had WOMD and spending Billions of Dollars on false finding how much money would have been saved. How many families wouldn't be broken. Would i have watched family members leave on a plane for something they thought was right, Then we found out everything they was fighting for was complete and total lies. But guess what, theyll never know that.

I believe we were obligated to the Vietnam War by virtue of our agreement in 1954 to support the government of South Vietnam. It was our Duty.

The Domino affect i believe could have happened who knows.

You are showing an enormous ignorance of history. SEATO was Truman's deal and part of the Truman Doctrine. Truman was a Democrat. JFK sent advisors to Vietnam and Johnson escalated the war - again, both were Democrats. Nixon, a Republican, negotiated (poorly, IMO - and by no stretch of the imagination was Nixon a conservative) the deal that ended the war and called for the withdrawal of troops. Yet, you blame conservatives for sending troops to Vietnam. Unbelievable.

[Hoot Gibson]

Okay, unemployment raised a point and a half in 8 years under Bush then raised 3 points in 18 months under Obama. The only difference is Obama lied about it and blamed Bush for everything and W took it like an man.

And, I would add Obama promised if he got what has turned into a $trillion stimulus plan passed, unemployment would not rise above 8 percent. It stands at 9.1 percent and is expected to rise to 9.2 percent when the next numbers are released. If we have turned a corner, then the worst is still ahead of us.

[Bob Seger]

You are showing an enormous ignorance of history. SEATO was Truman's deal and part of the Truman Doctrine. Truman was a Democrat. JFK sent advisors to Vietnam and Johnson escalated the war - again, both were Democrats. Nixon, a Republican, negotiated (poorly, IMO - and by no stretch of the imagination was Nixon a conservative) the deal that ended the war and called for the withdrawal of troops. Yet, you blame conservatives for sending troops to Vietnam. Unbelievable.

Uh oh, that's what happens when you do out on a limb and take a stab at "winging it" instead of googling. :biggrin: Hoot, you do have to admit that, while 23 rarely understands much about whatever he posts, he certainly can demonstrate a profient use of "potty mouth literacy" to camouflage that fact.....lol

[Wildcatk23]

You are showing an enormous ignorance of history. SEATO was Truman's deal and part of the Truman Doctrine. Truman was a Democrat. JFK sent advisors to Vietnam and Johnson escalated the war - again, both were Democrats. Nixon, a Republican, negotiated (poorly, IMO - and by no stretch of the imagination was Nixon a conservative) the deal that ended the war and called for the withdrawal of troops. Yet, you blame conservatives for sending troops to Vietnam. Unbelievable.

Same bastards as in lieing politicians. None of then could care less. Left or right about me or you unless it benefits them. I'm just amazed u defend your side even when wrond has been done. I

[nky]

Great for you, You served your Country.

And now u defend the same bastards that's sent u over there for nothing but a shit hole in the first place. If the conservatives wasn't so worried about claiming Iraq Had WOMD and spending Billions of Dollars on false finding how much money would have been saved. How many families wouldn't be broken. Would i have watched family members leave on a plane for something they thought was right, Then we found out everything they was fighting for was complete and total lies. But guess what, they'll never know that.

I believe we were obligated to the Vietnam War by virtue of our agreement in 1954 to support the government of South Vietnam. It was our Duty.

The Domino affect i believe could have happened who knows.

Lest we forget...............
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

All those darn pesky Conservatives and their made up claims about the Iraq:redboxer:

[nky]

Same bastards as in lying politicians. None of then could care less. Left or right about me or you unless it benefits them. I'm just amazed u defend your side even when wrong has been done. I

So Wildcat do you think "sexting" is acceptable for a married Congressmen using government resources?

[Wildcatk23]

So Wildcat do you think "sexting" is acceptable for a married Congressmen using government resources?

No Not at all, I'm not defending him. I think if any of the girls was under age he should be prosecuted. I don't defend scum bags. Which is exactly what he is.

[nky]

I've said before I'll say it again.......... Until both parties clean up themselves we'll get no where. This petty politics on these types of issues are distractions from the real issues of the nation. The Fourth branch is no better. The media dwells on an off the cuff remark by Sarah Palin about Paul Revere while economic indicators continue to be negative. Where is the media? Why aren't they the watchdogs of democracy? Petty politics and self serving gotcha mentality. Until we break that we will continue to get what we got.

[Bob Seger]

Lest we forget...............
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

All those darn pesky Conservatives and their made up claims about the Iraq:redboxer:

Ya know nky, these very same quotes have been brought to 23's attention time and time again, yet we still hear this same tired, "It's Bush's fault, It's Bush's fault, It's Bush's fault". It's like listenening to a parrot talk.

What 23 also seems inclined to forget is that nobody has actually been forced to go overseas to fight anyone. We do not draft people into military service any longer. When anyone signs up for military duty they are "freely volunteering" to go anywhere in the world, at any time, and with only a moment's notice to defend anything as to what can be described as an American interest. I dont think that whatever duties and potential consequences of joining any branch of an active US Military branch is a secret to anyone when they enlist and there is no one deceived into believing otherwise. They do what they do because they believe there is a reason for what they put their lives on the line for. It is what it is.

[Hoot Gibson]

Same bastards as in lieing politicians. None of then could care less. Left or right about me or you unless it benefits them. I'm just amazed u defend your side even when wrond has been done. I

Name one lying politician that I have defended in this thread. Just one.

I apply a pretty consistent standard to politicians and I realize that most of them in both parties lie to get elected. What Weiner did was not your garden variety lying - he smeared other people to try to save his own hide. Weiner launched his political career by anonymously publishing and distributing a racist flier accusing his opponent for city council of being in the pocket of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, shortly following a race riot in NYC. He only admitted to the deed after he was confronted after the election about the incident.

At least you are now acknowledging that Anthony Weiner is a lying scumbag. That was pretty obvious to most of us a couple of weeks ago.

[TheRealThing]

Same bastards as in lieing politicians. None of then could care less. Left or right about me or you unless it benefits them. I'm just amazed u defend your side even when wrond has been done. I

I've watched how this country works my whole life. To me, it doesn't have the first thing to do with defending along party lines. It's about knowing what works and what doesn't, and admitting that there is such a thing as wrong or right. Starting with Clinton's woes the left has defended immoral and illicit behavior of every kind by their party leaders. They could talk until the end of time about it and still not come close to making me believe bad behavior is really okay, and what people do in their private lives doesn't matter.

You made a very informative post nky, I really enjoyed the read and thanks for spending the time to be completely accurate. I will never understand what makes people willing to ignore the truth. They heard these same quotes with their own ears in the not so distant past and yet, allow themselves to be manipulated like cattle lined up for the slaughter. No wonder Weiner and corps think they can get away with saying anything they want. The record shows they very nearly can! A quick comparison of the quotes you listed with the statements these same lizzards issued shortly after the invasion in Iraq reveals how grand their hypocracy really is, is.

Draining the swamp will mean the ouster of liberals and progressives from both parties. The thing that concerns me is whether the electorate is too comatose or complacent to get out and vote these guys out of office.

We really are going to have to get a foreign policy in place other than funding our enemies efforts to destroy us with our own tax dollars. That's like hiring a hitman to put a hit on yourself. It's not enough that we do it with Al Qaeda and Hamas, now we want to arm and fund Venezuelan strong man Hugo Chavez. We've been working on building an infrastructure for him now for some time arming and funding Los Zetas and La Familia while hamstringing local US law enforcement so that border crossing is on an at will level.

[Hoot Gibson]

Another shoe drops...

Exclusive: Police Investigate Weiner's Messages to Teenage Girl in Delaware

[nky]

Time is ticking. The water is getting hot soon Weiner will be cooked. He'll resign next week