[Hazardsfinest]

HAHAHAHA Here we go AGAIN. I think BGR needs to make a new rule:

"No Threads or discussion about 40 yd, 60 yd, 100 m, or any measure of distance and time shall be allowed on bluegrassrivals.com. The reasoning behind this rule is that you are all lying and all uninformed. EKY does not have 25 kids that would be in the top fourth of the NFL combine in relation to speed. When referring to speed the words you can use and are limited to are: quick, fast, super fast, really fast, can fly, slow, not fast, can be timed on a calendar, mucho fasto. Thank you for your cooperation when dealing with this issue."


Just a thought.

HAHAHAHAHA Mr. Rule man, im just gonna go out on a limb here..... you do prove a point about the speed thing. but........... ya know, i think people should be able to post what ever they want, of course as long as its appropriate. who cares if their uninformed. im sure you post stuff that your not really sure about on here also, so i mean there is enough rules as it is, we don't need another one. especially one as stupid as that one :moon:

Just a thought.

[sstack]

Sheehan and Siedl of HHS were 1,2 in the 100 meter yesterday at track meet against 20 schools yesterday at Campbell Country. McGurn brothers were 1,2 in the 200 meter. They impressed a couple of college coaches that were in the stands.

Sheehan won with a time of 11.74 and it was Compton in second with a 12.0. In the 200,Kyle McGurn won with a 24.53, and Ian McGurn came in 4th with a 25.01. Sheehan ran a 25.45 in the 200 ( I think he came in 6th or 7th place). It is great to see Highlands have a track team agian. I would say that they look like football players running track; good football speed, but just average track runners. I would see a football coach being impressed, but not track coach. I would not want the McGurn boys facing me down on defense; very good size, with very good football speed. Quick from Trinity was to run this meet, but due to academic troubles, was not allowed to. Hope he can get his act together with the books; too much talent to waste.

[tristatereporter]

There was a ridiculous head wind and very cold, not a day for great times. According to the Highlands coach, Sheehan ran an 11.2 at a meet earlier in the week. McGurn's are much faster in the 200 than what they were timed on Saturday. You are correct, right now they look like football players running track! Not a bad day to have never practiced running out of the blocks until a couple of weeks ago.

[roots rod]

If you are talking about KP Skyles, his best time in 100 last year was a 11.98 and does not show him running any races yet this year. A time of 11.98 is far from what I would consider fast, and find it hard to believe he runs a 4.3 or even a 4.4 in the 40, if this is as fast as he can run a 100.

Skyles fastest 100m last year was a 11.74, and even that is not considered fast, good but not fast. KP is just really quick off the line. I have seen several combines and forty times are the event everybody seems to judge or compare. How accurate are they? Well, some will say the only accurate times are from a lazer, others bring up the surfaces they were run on , others say that college coaches have relied on the 'old' hand timed as golden since the coaches have been doing this for years and years. Regardless of all of this, it really comes down to who you want to believe . The recruiting database on espn prospects has 40 times posted and there Skyles time in March 2010 was electronic 4.52 , which is very fast.

[former]

I timed my 10 year old nephew yesterday in the parking lot with my wrist watch timer, he ran a 4.6. I am sure it is accurate as I walked off the 40 yards on my own.

[cksportsfan]

In Kentucky (and National Federation of High Schools), if a track, swimming or cross country event is done by wrist/stop watch, you must ADD .24 seconds and round (up or down) to the nearest tenth.

So unless someone has run a 4.12-4.20 on a stop/wrist watch, the 4.4 is NOT that common in Kentucky.

http://www.khsaa.org/track/2001/tr3ad201.htm
Tyson Gay, regarded to be the fastest American sprinter, ran a 10.54 in the 100 meters with a 2.1 (that means the wind was at his back and not his face) wind reading on UK's old track.

Class 3-A 100-Meter Dash State Championship Times
2010: Chisom Omenyinma, Male, 10.94
2009: Desmond Suter, Bryan Station, 10.81
2008: Justin Green, Male, 10.90
2007: Justin Green, Male, 11.02
2006: Steve Orndorff, Trinity, 11.22
2005: Alfonso Smith, Waggener, 10.71
2004: Joe Petty, J-Town, 11.13
2003: William Carter, Apollo, 10.84
2002: Todd Chisley, Scott County, 10.96
2001: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.54
2000: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.78
1999: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.93 (in prelims, against a 1.2 wind)
1998: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 11.03
1997: Casey Combest, Owensboro 10.75

As far as Skyles goes, FORTY-TWO (42) boys ran an 11.73 or faster in last year's state meet at UofL.

[LClion4life]

I didnt know Tyson Gay was from Kentucky! Pretty cool!

[nptb17]

Tyson Gay got beat in the 200 meters his senior year in the best sprint race in kentucky history. 21.21 to 21.22. Ben Kittleson who went on to Duke. Also Tyson ran a 10.49 his senior year at the state meet.

[nptb17]

Gay got out fast but Kittleson walked him down.

[nptb17]

Also cksportsfan, Saying Tyson Gay is regarded as the fastest American is not giving him enough credit. He is the second fastest human being ever. He is video game fast.

[roots rod]

In Kentucky (and National Federation of High Schools), if a track, swimming or cross country event is done by wrist/stop watch, you must ADD .24 seconds and round (up or down) to the nearest tenth.

So unless someone has run a 4.12-4.20 on a stop/wrist watch, the 4.4 is NOT that common in Kentucky.

http://www.khsaa.org/track/2001/tr3ad201.htm
Tyson Gay, regarded to be the fastest American sprinter, ran a 10.54 in the 100 meters with a 2.1 (that means the wind was at his back and not his face) wind reading on UK's old track.

Class 3-A 100-Meter Dash State Championship Times
2010: Chisom Omenyinma, Male, 10.94
2009: Desmond Suter, Bryan Station, 10.81
2008: Justin Green, Male, 10.90
2007: Justin Green, Male, 11.02
2006: Steve Orndorff, Trinity, 11.22
2005: Alfonso Smith, Waggener, 10.71
2004: Joe Petty, J-Town, 11.13
2003: William Carter, Apollo, 10.84
2002: Todd Chisley, Scott County, 10.96
2001: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.54
2000: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.78
1999: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 10.93 (in prelims, against a 1.2 wind)
1998: Tyson Gay, Lafayette, 11.03
1997: Casey Combest, Owensboro 10.75

As far as Skyles goes, FORTY-TWO (42) boys ran an 11.73 or faster in last year's state meet at UofL.

There is a huge difference between 100 meters and 40 yards, too many variables to enter into this comparison. Take Mark Ingram, he had the slowest 40 time, but yet he had the fastest 10 yard start in the combine .So maybe the thread should read "What is the Quickest 40 times" just so there is no offense to the track stars that are truely Fast!

[nptb17]

There is a huge difference between 100 meters and 40 yards, too many variables to enter into this comparison. Take Mark Ingram, he had the slowest 40 time, but yet he had the fastest 10 yard start in the combine .So maybe the thread should read "What is the Quickest 40 times" just so there is no offense to the track stars that are truely Fast!

Exactly!!! Football is about the first few steps, angles and explosion.

[Coupon21]

Brandon Marsh from Greenup is a low 4.5. GC also has track kid coming out that is an easy 4.4 but this will be his first year playing football. Travis Murphy is his name.

[LClion4life]

^ "Easy 4.4"? :thatsfunn

[The Contrarian]

There is a huge difference between 100 meters and 40 yards, too many variables to enter into this comparison. Take Mark Ingram, he had the slowest 40 time, but yet he had the fastest 10 yard start in the combine .So maybe the thread should read "What is the Quickest 40 times" just so there is no offense to the track stars that are truely Fast!

Exactly!!! Football is about the first few steps, angles and explosion.

The above makes a lot of sense. To be an outstanding back, one must, obviously, have speed. But quickness, strength, and agility definitely must also be in the equation. And let us not forget desire, and preparation.

[Kosar]

^ "Easy 4.4"? :thatsfunn

You seen him run? I know Coupon has. He's not one to exagerate. I know Murphy is one of the best sprinters in the area.

[LClion4life]

Sounds like a slight exaggeration to me.

[cksportsfan]

http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/425543
Travis Murphy (Greenup County) Career Fastest Times:
11.54 in the 100 meter, 22.7 in the 200 meter

His 200 time is actually FASTER per meter than his 100 time, so he's not slowing down.

Marsh doesn't have any track times.

[Kosar]

Sounds like a slight exaggeration to me.

http://ky.milesplit.com/athletes/425543
Travis Murphy (Greenup County) Career Fastest Times:
11.54 in the 100 meter, 22.7 in the 200 meter

His 200 time is actually FASTER per meter than his 100 time, so he's not slowing down.

Marsh doesn't have any track times.

Sounds like its not that far fetched.

[cksportsfan]

http://rise.espn.go.com/football/article...sparq.aspx
SPARQ National Championship held at the Nike Campus in Beaverton, Ore on July 8, 2010
Only 10 of the best guys in the country ran faster than 4.5

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruitin...id=6267282
Originally Published: March 28, 2011
close to 1,000 kids from all over the Midwest descended on the Lake Barrington Field House.
Only ONE sub 4.5

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruitin...id=6288977
LONG BEACH, Calif. -- Chilly temperatures didn't stop over 1,100 athletes from attending the 12th Nike SPARQ combine of the 2011 tour at Veteran's Stadium.
Only five guys were at 4.47 or faster

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I'm guessing legit 4.4 40 guys in Kentucky are few and far between.

And I don't trust coaches who stopwatch their own kids. They lie on rosters (height, weight) and stats (or else they're not double checking their stat girls), so what makes you think they wouldn't try to help their kids' 40 times in hopes of boosting their recruiting futures?

If Kentucky really had these fast 40 kids, they'd prove it at the laser-timed combines or in track (I know it's a longer distance, but many of those 100-yard dash competitors at State are football RBs/WRs). And most of the NFL guys with the fast 40s ran track as well.

As of now, there's very little legit proof of Kentucky having several 4.4 40 guys.

[SCHS#70]

http://rise.espn.go.com/football/article...sparq.aspx
sparq national championship held at the nike campus in beaverton, ore on july 8, 2010
only 10 of the best guys in the country ran faster than 4.5

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruitin...id=6267282
originally published: March 28, 2011
close to 1,000 kids from all over the midwest descended on the lake barrington field house.
Only one sub 4.5

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruitin...id=6288977
long beach, calif. -- chilly temperatures didn't stop over 1,100 athletes from attending the 12th nike sparq combine of the 2011 tour at veteran's stadium.
Only five guys were at 4.47 or faster

maybe i'm a pessimist, but i'm guessing legit 4.4 40 guys in kentucky are few and far between.

And i don't trust coaches who stopwatch their own kids. They lie on rosters (height, weight) and stats (or else they're not double checking their stat girls), so what makes you think they wouldn't try to help their kids' 40 times in hopes of boosting their recruiting futures?

If kentucky really had these fast 40 kids, they'd prove it at the laser-timed combines or in track (i know it's a longer distance, but many of those 100-yard dash competitors at state are football rbs/wrs). And most of the nfl guys with the fast 40s ran track as well.

As of now, there's very little legit proof of kentucky having several 4.4 40 guys.

if u had read i said 40 guys in the counrty and not all of the play football

[Landser, Amer.]

I am wondering if this 40 thread can get something new going? We all know that the timing, to say the very least, is highly subjective, and it's definitely not the entire essence of the ability of any running-back.

[hardworktoday]

Lance lockridge wr #9 for Montgomery co. Ran in the 4.4s at both uk camp and Tennessee camp last summer on the laser. He'll be a jr this fall and already holds most of his schools rec records if he were a little bigger. 5-7. 145. Or at a larger school he would be a household name by now. Special kid

[cksportsfan]

SCHS#70,
My last post wasn't aimed directly at you. I'm sorry if you took it as such. It was more of a blanket statement because of the names posters keep throwing out.

Landser, Amer.,
I get what you're saying. A 40-yard dash doesn't take into account hands (the dropsies), field vision, shedding ability, juking/elusiveness, health (is he injury prone?), stamina.

Plus, having a 4.5 or 4.6 or even 4.7 40 doesn't mean you're slow. There are plenty of good QBs, RBs, WRs that couldn't hit 4.4. Many of them went on to great careers or are currently having good careers. Many of them have outrun their fair share of defenders.

At the same time, people don't realize how special a 4.4 40-yard dash in football-track, 95-mile accurate fastball in baseball, 66-mile plus fastball in softball, 100-mile serve in tennis, 50-percent 3-point accuracy in basketball are on the high school level.

You don't see people on the baseball board saying their high school's pitcher routinely gets clocked at 95 mph. But EVERY year in football, people will say they've seen this kid or that kid run a 4.4 when the fact remains if these Kentucky 4.4 kids had size, the speed and had backed it up (film, stats, national/regional camps, combines), then scouts would be drooling all over them. And that's not happening.

[The Contrarian]

SCHS#70,
My last post wasn't aimed directly at you. I'm sorry if you took it as such. It was more of a blanket statement because of the names posters keep throwing out.

Landser, Amer.,
I get what you're saying. A 40-yard dash doesn't take into account hands (the dropsies), field vision, shedding ability, juking/elusiveness, health (is he injury prone?), stamina.

Plus, having a 4.5 or 4.6 or even 4.7 40 doesn't mean you're slow. There are plenty of good QBs, RBs, WRs that couldn't hit 4.4. Many of them went on to great careers or are currently having good careers. Many of them have outrun their fair share of defenders.

At the same time, people don't realize how special a 4.4 40-yard dash in football-track, 95-mile accurate fastball in baseball, 66-mile plus fastball in softball, 100-mile serve in tennis, 50-percent 3-point accuracy in basketball are on the high school level.

You don't see people on the baseball board saying their high school's pitcher routinely gets clocked at 95 mph. But EVERY year in football, people will say they've seen this kid or that kid run a 4.4 when the fact remains if these Kentucky 4.4 kids had size, the speed and had backed it up (film, stats, national/regional camps, combines), then scouts would be drooling all over them. And that's not happening.

Very good post! I think most posters on this board would agree, for as you said, it takes many additional attributes to make a good running back, wide receiver, etc.

Moreover, the young men running a 4.5, 4.6, etc., are not slow, and comparing track speeds, e.g., the 100m and 200m does not tell the whole story.

[Johnny_Ringo]

Tewayne Willis still has the fastest 40 in Eastern Kentucky. Hes about 20 some now though. And his ego is even bigger than ever.

[Panther Thunder]

SCHS#70,
My last post wasn't aimed directly at you. I'm sorry if you took it as such. It was more of a blanket statement because of the names posters keep throwing out.

Landser, Amer.,
I get what you're saying. A 40-yard dash doesn't take into account hands (the dropsies), field vision, shedding ability, juking/elusiveness, health (is he injury prone?), stamina.

Plus, having a 4.5 or 4.6 or even 4.7 40 doesn't mean you're slow. There are plenty of good QBs, RBs, WRs that couldn't hit 4.4. Many of them went on to great careers or are currently having good careers. Many of them have outrun their fair share of defenders.

At the same time, people don't realize how special a 4.4 40-yard dash in football-track, 95-mile accurate fastball in baseball, 66-mile plus fastball in softball, 100-mile serve in tennis, 50-percent 3-point accuracy in basketball are on the high school level.

You don't see people on the baseball board saying their high school's pitcher routinely gets clocked at 95 mph. But EVERY year in football, people will say they've seen this kid or that kid run a 4.4 when the fact remains if these Kentucky 4.4 kids had size, the speed and had backed it up (film, stats, national/regional camps, combines), then scouts would be drooling all over them. And that's not happening.

Bloom

[bac2369]

Kristians Skyles has an rival profile with his exact 40 time and i believe it to be accurate. I think when he was a freshmen he was in the 4.6 range.

[LexCathKnight15]

Adam Bush LexCath Jr WR is listed on rivals at running a 4.6 at a combine in Indy.
Elijah Bell LexCath RB supposedly ran a 4.5 at that combine but i can't find that for sure. At a Nike Sparq combine he ran a 4.7 and he is only a freshman

[MayfieldCardinal]

I was once timed at 4.0 by my wife while heading to the frig for another beer