[The Arch Warrior]

What is the problem here they have lost 3 straight and have lost more games already than they have in the past 3 years combined with a record of 12-7? I guess this goes 2 show you what happens when a coach doesnt have a talented group of players that have been held back together and that have played together all their life like he did at Shelby Valley for years. Anyways is it just the coach or what is the problem? This team just won state 2 years ago. hh:

[BlackcatAlum]

Holmes also graduated 3 D1 players in the past few years.

Holmes will be a powerhouse year in and year out in the next few years.

Not many schools can match the amount of athleticism Holmes has on their roster.

[Stardust]

Holmes was expected to do well this season, so thus far they have underachieved considerably. They still have college recruits on this squad, but they have played far inferior than they have in the past. Rice was a bonafied star in the making, and it has been odd to see such inconsistency so far this season.

As I said in the other thread, Holmes athletes are much different than the type of athlete that Booher is used to and he must learn how to be much, much more than an X's and O's guy to have any success there. I'm not one to say that he is not right for the job, it's way too soon to see, so it's worth being patient to see how the team and coach make adjustments to each other.

[horst muhlmann]

What is the problem here they have lost 3 straight and have lost more games already than they have in the past 3 years combined with a record of 12-7? I guess this goes 2 show you what happens when a coach doesnt have a talented group of players that have been held back together and that have played together all their life like he did at Shelby Valley for years. Anyways is it just the coach or what is the problem? This team just won state 2 years ago. hh:

I have heard that Coach Booher has tried to install a bit of discipline @ Holmes with much resistance from parents. For example, not letting the kids have their cell phones during practice, or letting them use a friends' or parents' phone during games. Imagine that, not allowing the players to text during practice.... Apparently some parents are not very happy and have let Booher know.

I've also heard some kids have been benched for complying with Booher's dress code on game days. And before I get blasted because some of the kids @ Holmes are less fortunate than other kids, I understand it's because they are wearing their pants low like you'd see out on the streets.

Booher is a good coach and doesn't need the aggravation. Many of the parents wanted Dickie Beal as the coach. I look for him to be a one and done coach at Holmes and to land on his feet somewhere else next season.

[Mr.cold]

Holmes ant doing so well because booher ant that good of a coach... The last few years he didnt coach Valley.. Elisha ran the show.. He coached them. He had a powerhouse that ANYONE could have coached to a state title.. Why do u think he left valley? Because he knew he wouldnt have a team that could win, Im not glade holmes is losing but Im glade booher is losing.

[Salimander]

What is the problem here they have lost 3 straight and have lost more games already than they have in the past 3 years combined with a record of 12-7? I guess this goes 2 show you what happens when a coach doesnt have a talented group of players that have been held back together and that have played together all their life like he did at Shelby Valley for years. Anyways is it just the coach or what is the problem? This team just won state 2 years ago. hh:

Unfortunately, you guys are finding out first hand what many of us who know a little about basketball have known for years. Look at your coach's record at his other schools excluding Valley. Your selection committee sure didn't. That SV team was built by transfers and AAU many years ago.

[DortonWildcat5]

Unfortunately, you guys are finding out first hand what many of us who know a little about basketball have known for years. Look at your coach's record at his other schools excluding Valley. Your selection committee sure didn't. That SV team was built by transfers and AAU many years ago.

Which transfer was it that made the team what it was? Was it Ramey who was the 6th man and was supposedly not good enough to play at Pikeville, or Hatfield who was in the SV system since the 7th grade? Many want to try to diminish what was accomplished at SV, but besides Ramey every kid there played middle school ball for either Dorton or Virgie. Yes, SV had a lot of talent, but not any coach could have won the state with that team. How many people actually believed SV would win state before it actually happened? I read so many times on here over the years that they were good, but overrated. Coach Booher and the team fit together well. I can't say how great an Xs and Os coach that Booher was because I wasn't on the bench, but I can say he was a great coach in many other areas. He is one of the most organized high school coaches I have seen around here in a long time. He was also very good at preparation. Many of the SV faithful (including me) will be forever grateful to Coach Booher for what he did at SV. He had a lot of talent, but he did a great job of getting all those star players to buy in to the TEAM first mentality. Many of those kids could have gone to Pikeville or Pike Central and been THE star.

[Stardust]

Guy's, let's make sure this thread stay's civil and does not venture into a rock throwing contest!

[goodguy]

Holmes also graduated 3 D1 players in the past few years.

Holmes will be a powerhouse year in and year out in the next few years.

Not many schools can match the amount of athleticism Holmes has on their roster.

Ricardo Johnson is at Ohio U., who are the other two?

[Cardinals Rule123]

Which transfer was it that made the team what it was? Was it Ramey who was the 6th man and was supposedly not good enough to play at Pikeville, or Hatfield who was in the SV system since the 7th grade? Many want to try to diminish what was accomplished at SV, but besides Ramey every kid there played middle school ball for either Dorton or Virgie. Yes, SV had a lot of talent, but not any coach could have won the state with that team. How many people actually believed SV would win state before it actually happened? I read so many times on here over the years that they were good, but overrated. Coach Booher and the team fit together well. I can't say how great an Xs and Os coach that Booher was because I wasn't on the bench, but I can say he was a great coach in many other areas. He is one of the most organized high school coaches I have seen around here in a long time. He was also very good at preparation. Many of the SV faithful (including me) will be forever grateful to Coach Booher for what he did at SV. He had a lot of talent, but he did a great job of getting all those star players to buy in to the TEAM first mentality. Many of those kids could have gone to Pikeville or Pike Central and been THE star.

What about Devin Adams?

[DortonWildcat5]

What about Devin Adams?

Devin Adams wasn't on that championship team.

[Emmit Brown]

Holmes ant doing so well because booher ant that good of a coach... The last few years he didnt coach Valley.. Elisha ran the show.. He coached them. He had a powerhouse that ANYONE could have coached to a state title.. Why do u think he left valley? Because he knew he wouldnt have a team that could win, Im not glade holmes is losing but Im glade booher is losing.

You totally contradicted yourself there and not to mention your word usage and spelling are horrid! It's tough to go in to a new place and try to instill a new philosophy and a new set of rules for which players are to abide by. Some people can't handle discipline, and from the sounds of it, the players and their parents are prime examples. If a person cannot go 2 hours without texting or can't go without texting during a game then they have other priorities and shouldn't be on the team anyway. Just my opinion on things, but time will tell if the "honeymoon" is over sooner than later.

[alfus21]

Unfortunately, you guys are finding out first hand what many of us who know a little about basketball have known for years. Look at your coach's record at his other schools excluding Valley. Your selection committee sure didn't. That SV team was built by transfers and AAU many years ago.

:thatsfunn Yeah all those transfers. Why don't you list them for us?

[HollaBack]

Look at your coach's record at his other schools excluding Valley. Your selection committee sure didn't. That SV team was built by transfers and AAU many years ago.

Per KHSAA scoreboard

Henry County
1997-1998 season 4-17 Coach Mike Appleman
1998-1999 season 10-16 Coach Jason Booher

Belfry
2002-2003 season 6-18 Coach David Hatfield
2003-2004 season 11-17 Coach Jason Booher

Overall two years before he got there
10-35

Overall two years while he was at Henry and Belfry
21-33

His teams doubled their win total for those two years. Looks like you should have done your research before commenting like this:rockon:

Coach Henley left Holmes for a reason. He went to North Oldham were he is currently 9-9. That doesn't make either a bad coach. SV is struggling this year and lost more than they have in many years. It doesn't make their staff bad coaches. Sounds to me like the person who started this thread has an agenda, just like the same ones while Booher was at SV who wanted his job then.

[football3030]

You all have to relize Holmes has had a good team for a while you are going to have good years and you are going to have to have time to rebuild.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Per KHSAA scoreboard

Henry County
1997-1998 season 4-17 Coach Mike Appleman
1998-1999 season 10-16 Coach Jason Booher

Belfry
2002-2003 season 6-18 Coach David Hatfield
2003-2004 season 11-17 Coach Jason Booher

Overall two years before he got there
10-35

Overall two years while he was at Henry and Belfry
21-33

His teams doubled their win total for those two years. Looks like you should have done your research before commenting like this:rockon:

Coach Henley left Holmes for a reason. He went to North Oldham were he is currently 9-9. That doesn't make either a bad coach. SV is struggling this year and lost more than they have in many years. It doesn't make their staff bad coaches. Sounds to me like the person who started this thread has an agenda, just like the same ones while Booher was at SV who wanted his job then.

:Thumbs: - Nice post. I agree.

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Per KHSAA scoreboard

Henry County
1997-1998 season 4-17 Coach Mike Appleman
1998-1999 season 10-16 Coach Jason Booher

Belfry
2002-2003 season 6-18 Coach David Hatfield
2003-2004 season 11-17 Coach Jason Booher

Overall two years before he got there
10-35

Overall two years while he was at Henry and Belfry
21-33

His teams doubled their win total for those two years. Looks like you should have done your research before commenting like this:rockon:

Coach Henley left Holmes for a reason. He went to North Oldham were he is currently 9-9. That doesn't make either a bad coach. SV is struggling this year and lost more than they have in many years. It doesn't make their staff bad coaches. Sounds to me like the person who started this thread has an agenda, just like the same ones while Booher was at SV who wanted his job then.

Nice post!!

Post his record at SV too.

Fact is the man has 1 Sweet 16 title and 2 All "A" titles. You don't get those by luck, you dont get those by "not coaching"....

Walk a mile in any high school coaches shoes that cares for and loves the game and it will change you outlook on their jobs and open your eyes to reality, not the fantasy land some people on here and n the stands live in.....trust me I know from experience....

[DortonWildcat5]

Nice post!!

Post his record at SV too.

Fact is the man has 1 Sweet 16 title and 2 All "A" titles. You don't get those by luck, you dont get those by "not coaching"....

Walk a mile in any high school coaches shoes that cares for and loves the game and it will change you outlook on their jobs and open your eyes to reality, not the fantasy land some people on here and n the stands live in.....trust me I know from experience....

160-37 in 6 years. Over the past 4 years, his record was 116-18.

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160-37 in 6 years. Over the past 4 years, his record was 116-18.

I knew it was pretty dang good. That's winning at an 82% clip!

[PantherTradition]

What is the problem here they have lost 3 straight and have lost more games already than they have in the past 3 years combined with a record of 12-7? I guess this goes 2 show you what happens when a coach doesnt have a talented group of players that have been held back together and that have played together all their life like he did at Shelby Valley for years. Anyways is it just the coach or what is the problem? This team just won state 2 years ago. hh:

This is an idiot post :ChairHit:

[Nothing But The Kids]

Holmes ant doing so well because booher ant that good of a coach... The last few years he didnt coach Valley.. Elisha ran the show.. He coached them. He had a powerhouse that ANYONE could have coached to a state title.. Why do u think he left valley? Because he knew he wouldnt have a team that could win, Im not glade holmes is losing but Im glade booher is losing.

Glad your a Valley fan. Sure wouldn't want you as a fan of my school.:blabbermo

[ballcrazy]

Booher is a very good coach. you guys should be happy to have him. Sounds like the kids needs to a moore to their coach.

[coachmckinnis]

I hate when the blame falls completely on the backs of the coach. In many cases Coach Cal himself could not turn a program around with talent. In other cases the mix of personalities can be a detriment to the team's success. Is this a bad mix of personalities or lack of talent--

[HollaBack]

Holmes ant doing so well because booher ant that good of a coach... The last few years he didnt coach Valley.. Elisha ran the show.. He coached them. He had a powerhouse that ANYONE could have coached to a state title.. Why do u think he left valley? Because he knew he wouldnt have a team that could win, Im not glade holmes is losing but Im glade booher is losing.

Obviously you don't watch very much basketball to state this. That is just like saying that John Wooden isn't the best basketball coach ever because of all of the talent he had for all of his championships. Also, you are saying that Phil Jackson is a TERRIBLE coach because he has had Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe. That would be the most ridiculous claim ever!!! Come on now, be serious and quit thinking little picture! Before you bash someone on here learn to spell and then look at the bigger picture! Appreciate ya!!!

[High Sheriff]

Which transfer was it that made the team what it was? Was it Ramey who was the 6th man and was supposedly not good enough to play at Pikeville, or Hatfield who was in the SV system since the 7th grade? Many want to try to diminish what was accomplished at SV, but besides Ramey every kid there played middle school ball for either Dorton or Virgie. Yes, SV had a lot of talent, but not any coach could have won the state with that team. How many people actually believed SV would win state before it actually happened? I read so many times on here over the years that they were good, but overrated. Coach Booher and the team fit together well. I can't say how great an Xs and Os coach that Booher was because I wasn't on the bench, but I can say he was a great coach in many other areas. He is one of the most organized high school coaches I have seen around here in a long time. He was also very good at preparation. Many of the SV faithful (including me) will be forever grateful to Coach Booher for what he did at SV. He had a lot of talent, but he did a great job of getting all those star players to buy in to the TEAM first mentality. Many of those kids could have gone to Pikeville or Pike Central and been THE star.

Good Post!

[The Arch Warrior]

I want 2 correct myself this is the most losses they have had in a single season since 06-07 season when they went 25-10. Also my bad they lost 8 games through 08-10 so sorry they have lost 8 games in 3 years not counting this year.

[The Arch Warrior]

If I was guessing I would say they are going 2 finish with double digit losses probably 10 or 11 they still have tough games ahead facing Scott,Dixie Heights,Boone County,Newport Catholic Central,Ballard and Simon Kenton.

[The Arch Warrior]

Unfortunately, you guys are finding out first hand what many of us who know a little about basketball have known for years. Look at your coach's record at his other schools excluding Valley. Your selection committee sure didn't. That SV team was built by transfers and AAU many years ago.

To be exact he went 11-17 at Belfry his only head coaching experience before the mysterious hiring at SV.

[footballbettingtips]

What is the problem here they have lost 3 straight and have lost more games already than they have in the past 3 years combined with a record of 12-7? I guess this goes 2 show you what happens when a coach doesnt have a talented group of players that have been held back together and that have played together all their life like he did at Shelby Valley for years. Anyways is it just the coach or what is the problem? This team just won state 2 years ago. hh:

i think they should relax,they must double time.so they can catch up.practice more..........

[The Arch Warrior]

Which transfer was it that made the team what it was? Was it Ramey who was the 6th man and was supposedly not good enough to play at Pikeville, or Hatfield who was in the SV system since the 7th grade? Many want to try to diminish what was accomplished at SV, but besides Ramey every kid there played middle school ball for either Dorton or Virgie. Yes, SV had a lot of talent, but not any coach could have won the state with that team. How many people actually believed SV would win state before it actually happened? I read so many times on here over the years that they were good, but overrated. Coach Booher and the team fit together well. I can't say how great an Xs and Os coach that Booher was because I wasn't on the bench, but I can say he was a great coach in many other areas. He is one of the most organized high school coaches I have seen around here in a long time. He was also very good at preparation. Many of the SV faithful (including me) will be forever grateful to Coach Booher for what he did at SV. He had a lot of talent, but he did a great job of getting all those star players to buy in to the TEAM first mentality. Many of those kids could have gone to Pikeville or Pike Central and been THE star.

Your right but i think he might have been talking about the Hatfield kid who came from Phelps and went 2 Virgie. No one is wanting 2 diminsh what the players done at SV im proud of them they are just wondering y Booher was hired with a 11-17 record the following year can u explain that? Also people are just wondering what would have SV really done if these players weren't heldback and placed in the same grade if they stayed in their original class would they have won the state championship? I dont know or would Greg or Rodney won state long before 2010, do you think the 09-10 was the most talented team ever at SV probably not? There was many talented teams in the earlier and mid 2000's and if these players didnt influence and wasnt successful and didn't create the Dynasty at Valley do you think these players would have wanted to go to Valley probably not, but as you know the most talented team doesnt always win it all case and point Kentucky last year by the far the most talented team but they couldnt win it all in the end right?