[RunItUpTheGut]

final.

Let me first say that i have never, in my entire life, ever complained about getting the shaft.
Ive always believed that if a team is good enough they should win anyways, no matter how the officials are.

Well, thanks to Corbin, that has all changed tonight.
I have NEVER in my entire life seen what ive witnessed there tonight.
I, unlike most Whitley people root for Corbin while they are not playing Whitley. I like to see all teams from the tri-county area gain success and win ball games, but after tonight, i can fairly say, I will never expect a team to win a basketball game at Corbin High School and will never drop a team for any rankings i do on here for losing at Corbin.
I know a lot of people have felt the wrath of officiating at Corbin, and some have a clear right to be upset, but ive always been one to think Corbin was just the better team.

It amazes me that a kid can be elbowed in the mouth and have his front teeth knocked out (on purpose) right in front of the ref and a whistle not get blown. It also amazes me that an official would call the ball out of bounds for hitting the guide wires behind a rim when it comes off the side of the rim.

But it amazes me most that a team (Whitley) can have 22 fouls while Corbin finishes an entire game with 9.
Whitley shot 6 free throws in this game. 6 FREE THROWS IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Corbin shot over 20 OF COURSE.


I guess i couldnt make it threw my entire lifetime without complaining about officiating, but ive made it a lot of years until now. Congrats Corbin on clearly showing your class tonight and doing what you do best.
I'm not upset though, as Lebron said, "Karmas a B" and ill be happy to see you all next week when you travel away from home sweet home and come to Whitley.

Congrats to the Whitley players for keeping your heads up. We still missed a lot of shots that we should have made, but in no way should that game have went the way it did. Get em next week boys.

Also, this doesnt reflect anything on the Corbin players. They still played a great game and had a good game plan against Whitley running a two three zone and not trying to match up man to man with Whitley. The Taylor kid is the clear leader of that Corbin team and will play a big role in their success.

[cuppett777]

congrats to Corbin

[Mountain]

The

[RunItUpTheGut]

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What?

[footballfever]

Who were the 3 officials????:popcorn:

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
lol i believe you already know the answer to that one fever

[footballfever]

^
lol i believe you already know the answer to that one fever

I really, really don't.

[RunItUpTheGut]

i dont like to mention names of guys "supposively" doing there job but the ring leader is about 5'8 bald and round lol

[the dark wizard]

This is the kind of thing that causes everyone in the 13th, and many other regions to absolutely HATE CHS. Its not just basketball, ive seen these things take place in other sports on that campus as well. That going along with the classlessness and better than thou attitude lead me to wish a 100% safe yet failure on their sports programs.

[rojas]

You think the officiating is bad when two 13th region teams play each other? Try bringing a team from out of the region into the 13th and see what happens.

[RunItUpTheGut]

this is what i was saying. it has been a problem for many years.
i finally lost all respect for CHS and their programs after this one.

[Mountain]

Big time win for Corbin over a good Whitley Co. team.

[Dungy]

Having spent a decade as a ref (as a much younger man), there are three truths that I saw in almost all referrees.

1. I never saw a referree consciously attempt to affect the outcome of a game or purposely make the wrong call to hurt one team or help another.

That said...subconsciously, all refs are affected by the path of least resistance. Meaning:

2. The home team, especially with a large roaring crowd, will get the benefit of the doubt of close calls. It is just more difficult for any human to stand up against the majority. Thus, you get what they call home court advantage, ESPECIALLY out of region when the visitor brings a light crowd or may not be seen for a long time.

3. (This one happens more than #2) The team that has been traditionally better or the big name coach that has a good reputation will get the subconscious breaks. It is just human nature that refs 'pre-judge' the game to some extent. They do not expect Jenkins to 'compete' with Hazard, so when Jenkins gets a steal, it is more likely a foul, as it is harder to believe that Jenkins could have played good enough defense to actually stop a better team. This becomes more apparent late in the game when an underdog is near an upset. (This is similar to the Jordan calls in the NBA...the star lost the ball going in so he had to be fouled. No way someone could've stopped him.) Also, in some games, you see one team clearly being allowed to be more physical on defense without getting the hand checks or body fouls. This happens often when the more respected coach is known for having good defensive teams and/or has convinced the refs over time what should or should not be called. It is just human nature for a ref to expect the traditionally better team or coach to be just that.

Hey, I am NO EXPERT, and Hazard/Jenkins was just used as a hypothetical. I am just relaying what I learned from years of sharing lockers and listening to more experienced refs. The refs less immune to this problem are those few officials that have earned enough respect and have enough self-esteem to know that they will still be respected and still 'get the big game assignments' even if their calls go against what might be expected.

Sorry for the speech. I'm off work today.

[Benchwarmer]

Congrats Corbin

[SEKYFAN]

This is the kind of thing that causes everyone in the 13th, and many other regions to absolutely HATE CHS. Its not just basketball, ive seen these things take place in other sports on that campus as well. That going along with the classlessness and better than thou attitude lead me to wish a 100% safe yet failure on their sports programs.

The problem is not with Corbin, the problem is that Corbin experiences success in most sports and also in the classroom and others always try to belittle their success with claims that the officials cheat for them. Why would they? Is this the reason they have won the region the last 2 years in golf and for as long as I can remember in tennis?

I thought that Corbin got some Homer calls in this game, about average for a home team in the 13th. I expect Whitley to get the benefit of the calls when they play at home, happens everywhere. If Whitley shares the ball better next time, takes better shots and feed it inside like they should, they will more than likely win. Corbin is not as talented or big as Whitley, but Corbin is much more fundamentally sound defensively and in their blocking out assignments.

[RunItUpTheGut]

The problem is not with Corbin, the problem is that Corbin experiences success in most sports and also in the classroom and others always try to belittle their success with claims that the officials cheat for them. Why would they? Is this the reason they have won the region the last 2 years in golf and for as long as I can remember in tennis?

I thought that Corbin got some Homer calls in this game, about average for a home team in the 13th. I expect Whitley to get the benefit of the calls when they play at home, happens everywhere. If Whitley shares the ball better next time, takes better shots and feed it inside like they should, they will more than likely win. Corbin is not as talented or big as Whitley, but Corbin is much more fundamentally sound defensively and in their blocking out assignments.

If you were there, you know better.
Probably, but not the amount corbin did

[RunItUpTheGut]

Having spent a decade as a ref (as a much younger man), there are three truths that I saw in almost all referrees.

1. I never saw a referree consciously attempt to affect the outcome of a game or purposely make the wrong call to hurt one team or help another.

That said...subconsciously, all refs are affected by the path of least resistance. Meaning:

2. The home team, especially with a large roaring crowd, will get the benefit of the doubt of close calls. It is just more difficult for any human to stand up against the majority. Thus, you get what they call home court advantage, ESPECIALLY out of region when the visitor brings a light crowd or may not be seen for a long time.

3. (This one happens more than #2) The team that has been traditionally better or the big name coach that has a good reputation will get the subconscious breaks. It is just human nature that refs 'pre-judge' the game to some extent. They do not expect Jenkins to 'compete' with Hazard, so when Jenkins gets a steal, it is more likely a foul, as it is harder to believe that Jenkins could have played good enough defense to actually stop a better team. This becomes more apparent late in the game when an underdog is near an upset. (This is similar to the Jordan calls in the NBA...the star lost the ball going in so he had to be fouled. No way someone could've stopped him.) Also, in some games, you see one team clearly being allowed to be more physical on defense without getting the hand checks or body fouls. This happens often when the more respected coach is known for having good defensive teams and/or has convinced the refs over time what should or should not be called. It is just human nature for a ref to expect the traditionally better team or coach to be just that.

Hey, I am NO EXPERT, and Hazard/Jenkins was just used as a hypothetical. I am just relaying what I learned from years of sharing lockers and listening to more experienced refs. The refs less immune to this problem are those few officials that have earned enough respect and have enough self-esteem to know that they will still be respected and still 'get the big game assignments' even if their calls go against what might be expected.

Sorry for the speech. I'm off work today.

Good point Dungy. i agree

[redstorm]

I watched this game and felt like it was called well, not great, but well. Didn't see any cheating or calls that showed they (officials) trying to help Corbin. There was a loose ball and the whistle blew and gave Corbin a timeout. That was the call that got everyone excited. I felt like we didn't play very well and wish we would go to our big men in the post. We have two of the most athletic post players and hardly ever throw it to them.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I watched this game and felt like it was called well, not great, but well. Didn't see any cheating or calls that showed they (officials) trying to help Corbin. There was a loose ball and the whistle blew and gave Corbin a timeout. That was the call that got everyone excited. I felt like we didn't play very well and wish we would go to our big men in the post. We have two of the most athletic post players and hardly ever throw it to them.

I agree with you that we didnt play our best ball. We never do against Corbin, especially at Corbin. Our post players, especially Harris can move around better than any post player in the 13th IMO and should be given his space around the free throw line to drive the ball against slower and bigger post players.
But still, you cant really argue with the Corbin homer situation. I may have overreacted a bit, but most of the calls were blatantly awful. And not team goes threw an entire games with 9 fouls. Its not possible, there are more hand checks than that in the game. They didnt even have enough fouls to put us in the double bonus for the entire game, much less one half.