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12-02-2013, 06:14 PM
CardCrazy Wrote:Wasn't Justin Johnson first at Sheldon Clark, then Johnson Central, and then Belfry? Same guy?
Negative. You're thinking large white kid.
12-02-2013, 06:16 PM
CardCrazy Wrote:Wasn't Justin Johnson first at Sheldon Clark, then Johnson Central, and then Belfry? Same guy?
Officially worst "misinformed post" in BGR history...Justin Johnson from SC was a basketball player.
12-02-2013, 06:28 PM
oneijoe Wrote:If what you're saying ends up the case and Belfry NEEDS to pass to break open its running game in this one, Wayne Co. will win going away.
EVERYTHING Belfry does offensively is built from forcing a defense to pack it in between the tackles. If the Pirates can't consistantly get 4 yds a pop inside vs. a 5-2/4-3/4-4 defense alignment playing gap assignment, the offense will struggle. Belfry breaks big plays running outside or throwing downfield when DEs and OLBs begin cheating inside (losing gap discipline) and the safety(s) creep too close to the LOS.
It's funny when people think defenses are "stacking the box" against Belfry, when it's usually Belfry's offensive formation that causes the defense to look that way. The Pirates use a LOT of single wideout with 2-3 RB sets. These closed-formation sets guarantee the weakside corner and one safety are playing closer to the middle of the LOS.
Pretty fair analysis. However, IMO, this team doesn't have to get 4 yrds a pop between the tackles. They just can't afford the no gains, negative yardage plays that invariably put offenses in 3rd and long (7+yrds) situations.
We all know Belfry isn't known for their passing prowess. What they are known for is the "shove it right down your throat" approach. Nothing fancy.....you just have to try and stop it. Whether it's the fullback, 2nd man thru...counters, read option or the like.....they're coming. Time after time....after time.
Linebacker play will be of utmost importance for Wayne.
12-02-2013, 06:56 PM
oneijoe Wrote:If what you're saying ends up the case and Belfry NEEDS to pass to break open its running game in this one, Wayne Co. will win going away.Good post as always, but with respect Friday Belfry's use of the pass was major factor in opening up the middle.
EVERYTHING Belfry does offensively is built from forcing a defense to pack it in between the tackles. If the Pirates can't consistantly get 4 yds a pop inside vs. a 5-2/4-3/4-4 defense alignment playing gap assignment, the offense will struggle. Belfry breaks big plays running outside or throwing downfield when DEs and OLBs begin cheating inside (losing gap discipline) and the safety(s) creep too close to the LOS.
It's funny when people think defenses are "stacking the box" against Belfry, when it's usually Belfry's offensive formation that causes the defense to look that way. The Pirates use a LOT of single wideout with 2-3 RB sets. These closed-formation sets guarantee the weakside corner and one safety are playing closer to the middle of the LOS.
Bourbon was very effective up the middle and gave a few intricacies to their defense I am not sure I had seen implemented (well successfully at least) against Belfry previously. Bourbon was doing a great job against both the interior run and the option. The adjustment that was made was to use the toss sweep and the bubble screen to Taylor. Belfry successfully used the bubble screen 3 times in the 1st Half and picked up a handful of nice chunks on the toss sweep and suddenly the inside began opening up in a big way. In the 2nd Half Bourbon made adjustments to counter those plays.. then the Counter/ISO/ and option opened up.
The pass was very instrumental Friday... but that doesn't happen very often
12-02-2013, 07:01 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Good post as always, but with respect Friday Belfry's use of the pass was major factor in opening up the middle.should be a tough game but Guffey is seriously dangerous :football::runtouchd
Bourbon was very effective up the middle and gave a few intricacies to their defense I am not sure I had seen implemented (well successfully at least) against Belfry previously. Bourbon was doing a great job against both the interior run and the option. The adjustment that was made was to use the toss sweep and the bubble screen to Taylor. Belfry successfully used the bubble screen 3 times in the 1st Half and picked up a handful of nice chunks on the toss sweep and suddenly the inside began opening up in a big way. In the 2nd Half Bourbon made adjustments to counter those plays.. then the Counter/ISO/ and option opened up.
The pass was very instrumental Friday... but that doesn't happen very often
12-02-2013, 07:09 PM
pjdoug Wrote:should be a tough game but Guffey is seriously dangerous :football::runtouchd
From what I have seen he has my respect entering the contest... every so often you find those HS athletes who have the ability to simply elevate their game and carry their team to either a victory or as close to a win as possible. Guffey looks like that kind of kid.
The kind that even if the scoreboard is not in his favor when time expires you have no doubt you just left having watched a kid pour his soul into every play.
The last time Belfry faced that guy was Kasey Clark from Russell.. let's hope this matchup ends with better results
12-02-2013, 07:27 PM
Belfry0304 Wrote:That's all you need with this offense. Why would we sit back and throw 15 times? All it takes is a few to open up what we want to do lol
Just like in last years final where you HAD to complete a pass and you ran play action on long yardage which nobody will ever fall for and didn't come close to completing the 1 man route. That fine passing game. Cost you a ring. I'm rooting for Wayne now because of you fans.
12-02-2013, 08:20 PM
This Wayne County team has a very business like attitude like the '89 basketball team that almost won the sweet 16. I'm hoping this crew brings the hardware home to little old Monticello this time. If they don't, it's still a fairytale season for the boys and the homegrown coach that has built a program from the ground up.
Either way, I'm glad two corn fed country boy teams are playing for the championship. Here's to a great injury free game for both sides.
Either way, I'm glad two corn fed country boy teams are playing for the championship. Here's to a great injury free game for both sides.
12-02-2013, 08:24 PM
Iam4thecats Wrote:Just like in last years final where you HAD to complete a pass and you ran play action on long yardage which nobody will ever fall for and didn't come close to completing the 1 man route. That fine passing game. Cost you a ring. I'm rooting for Wayne now because of you fans.Gollee I am gonna lose a lot of sleep because you are not our fan anymore. So is it Bell or Breathitt you support? Just saying you don't know much about Belfry football it seems.
12-02-2013, 08:56 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:Good post as always, but with respect Friday Belfry's use of the pass was major factor in opening up the middle.
Bourbon was very effective up the middle and gave a few intricacies to their defense I am not sure I had seen implemented (well successfully at least) against Belfry previously. Bourbon was doing a great job against both the interior run and the option. The adjustment that was made was to use the toss sweep and the bubble screen to Taylor. Belfry successfully used the bubble screen 3 times in the 1st Half and picked up a handful of nice chunks on the toss sweep and suddenly the inside began opening up in a big way. In the 2nd Half Bourbon made adjustments to counter those plays.. then the Counter/ISO/ and option opened up.
The pass was very instrumental Friday... but that doesn't happen very often
Fair enough, but I'm sure you realize the Pirates only won last Friday by a single score. I'll put it another way... If you'd known Belfry was going to score 21 vs. Bourbon Co., how confident would you be going in ?
Wayne Co., from everything I've seen/read, is a different animal. Very fast team on both sides with a lot of offensive explosiveness.
Where I'm going is...this is one game where Belfry NEEDS those 10+ play drives. The Pirates NEED to be the stronger team, or it'll be a tough one to win.
12-02-2013, 08:59 PM
Iam4thecats Wrote:Just like in last years final where you HAD to complete a pass and you ran play action on long yardage which nobody will ever fall for and didn't come close to completing the 1 man route. That fine passing game. Cost you a ring. I'm rooting for Wayne now because of you fans.
Well!!! That didn't take much to push you to the dark side. :eyeroll::biggrin:
12-02-2013, 09:04 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Fair enough, but I'm sure you realize the Pirates only won last Friday by a single score. I'll put it another way... If you'd known Belfry was going to score 21 vs. Bourbon Co., how confident would you be going in ?
Wayne Co., from everything I've seen/read, is a different animal. Very fast team on both sides with a lot of offensive explosiveness.
Where I'm going is...this is one game where Belfry NEEDS those 10+ play drives. The Pirates NEED to be the stronger team, or it'll be a tough one to win.
I can agree with what you are saying. As a Belfry fan, I would love to see more passing. Even if just quick outs, little short passes for just 3 to 4 yards a completion. I personally believe if Belfry as a team got efficient at it, they would be a well rounded team and be a real threat offensively. JMO
12-02-2013, 09:04 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Fair enough, but I'm sure you realize the Pirates only won last Friday by a single score. I'll put it another way... If you'd known Belfry was going to score 21 vs. Bourbon Co., how confident would you be going in ?
Wayne Co., from everything I've seen/read, is a different animal. Very fast team on both sides with a lot of offensive explosiveness.
Where I'm going is...this is one game where Belfry NEEDS those 10+ play drives. The Pirates NEED to be the stronger team, or it'll be a tough one to win.
Belfry left,at minimum 10 points on the field. That is what it is you have to cross the goal or kick the FG to get credit and they didn't. BC only scored the last touchdown with 5 seconds left that should have never been on the clock due to some dandy time keeping. Belfry dominated Bourbon from late in the second quarter till the last drive where Belfry just let Bourbon catch stuff in front of them and move down the field. They were never seriously threatened though another TD or two would have been nice. Holding a team as explosive as BC is to basically 180 yards total is a great effort IMO.
12-02-2013, 09:22 PM
bucslover68 Wrote:Belfry left,at minimum 10 points on the field. That is what it is you have to cross the goal or kick the FG to get credit and they didn't. BC only scored the last touchdown with 5 seconds left that should have never been on the clock due to some dandy time keeping. Belfry dominated Bourbon from late in the second quarter till the last drive where Belfry just let Bourbon catch stuff in front of them and move down the field. They were never seriously threatened though another TD or two would have been nice. Holding a team as explosive as BC is to basically 180 yards total is a great effort IMO.
Totally agree with you on Belfry's defensive performance...
But keep in mind... Wayne Co. held Corbin to -12 yds, Central to 8 yds, and Tilghman to 95 yds. These are game total rushing yards over the past 3 weeks. Kind of scary defensive numbers, but it is what it is.
Like I've said a few times now, Belfry NEEDS to be able push Wayne off the ball and win with power. I don't think the Pirates can match them with speed... I'd just hate to see Belfry get too cute and go away from what I believe is the best chance to win - hog the ball and win between the tackles.
12-02-2013, 09:28 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Totally agree with you on Belfry's defensive performance...To answer your earlier question, before the game I thought we would need 28 to win against BC. Once we were up 21-6 I knew that was enough because they weren't consistently threatening us.
But keep in mind... Wayne Co. held Corbin to -12 yds, Central to 8 yds, and Tilghman to 95 yds. These are game total rushing yards over the past 3 weeks. Kind of scary defensive numbers, but it is what it is.
Like I've said a few times now, Belfry NEEDS to be able push Wayne off the ball and win with power. I don't think the Pirates can match them with speed... I'd just hate to see Belfry get too cute and go away from what I believe is the best chance to win - hog the ball and win between the tackles.
I agree. The Belfry bread and butter is that fullback and halfbacks and even QB inside those big tackles. What Belfry does so well is get enough plays to the outside,by the option, toss, or quick pass to the WR to usually keep that middle soft or at least soften it up even if a D has been keying the FB. Also if Belfry finds that outside open on the toss or option, they have been known to keep picking up yards on the outside and then shift back to pounding the middle. Belfry usually just does what they need to do and make adjustments. One thing I have not seen Belfry do the last two weeks is try to hit Taylor long. That may be a product of the D they have faced or gameplanning. A long TD pass or big gain can go a long way to taking an extra man out of the box.
12-02-2013, 09:32 PM
Iam4thecats Wrote:Just like in last years final where you HAD to complete a pass and you ran play action on long yardage which nobody will ever fall for and didn't come close to completing the 1 man route. That fine passing game. Cost you a ring. I'm rooting for Wayne now because of you fans.
You're a Wayne County fan any way, but you're right.
We couldn't get a pass off last year on 3rd and long because Central brought the house and we were running play action.
I hope we're not in those kinds of situations again this year.
12-02-2013, 09:35 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Totally agree with you on Belfry's defensive performance...
But keep in mind... Wayne Co. held Corbin to -12 yds, Central to 8 yds, and Tilghman to 95 yds. These are game total rushing yards over the past 3 weeks. Kind of scary defensive numbers, but it is what it is.
Like I've said a few times now, Belfry NEEDS to be able push Wayne off the ball and win with power. I don't think the Pirates can match them with speed... I'd just hate to see Belfry get too cute and go away from what I believe is the best chance to win - hog the ball and win between the tackles.
One thing too,even on Belfry's tosses, especially to Johnson, if the hole is open before he gets to the end, he cuts it up no doubt.
12-02-2013, 10:00 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Fair enough, but I'm sure you realize the Pirates only won last Friday by a single score. I'll put it another way... If you'd known Belfry was going to score 21 vs. Bourbon Co., how confident would you be going in ?
Wayne Co., from everything I've seen/read, is a different animal. Very fast team on both sides with a lot of offensive explosiveness.
Where I'm going is...this is one game where Belfry NEEDS those 10+ play drives. The Pirates NEED to be the stronger team, or it'll be a tough one to win.
I don't know what u heard about there speed,but what I saw live on Friday at Tilman,they don't have more speed the BC and I say avg speed,the wide open touchdown passes wasn't because they ran by Tilmans players,but they was in the wrong positions..
12-02-2013, 10:03 PM
oneijoe Wrote:Totally agree with you on Belfry's defensive performance...
But keep in mind... Wayne Co. held Corbin to -12 yds, Central to 8 yds, and Tilghman to 95 yds. These are game total rushing yards over the past 3 weeks. Kind of scary defensive numbers, but it is what it is.
Like I've said a few times now, Belfry NEEDS to be able push Wayne off the ball and win with power. I don't think the Pirates can match them with speed... I'd just hate to see Belfry get too cute and go away from what I believe is the best chance to win - hog the ball and win between the tackles.
But you also keep in mind, Corbin, Central and PT...can't even hold a light to Belfrys offense...Wayne is good they deserve to be here they earned it but they have not seen a Offense this good all year......say what you want but IMO Corbin was garbage this year, Central was way down compared to past years, and Paducah was a defensive team who lost their leader the week of the game....I forsee a great football game.. down to the wire...again is comes down to LOS...and I just see Belfry controlling that on both sides of the Ball...
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12-02-2013, 10:33 PM
Don't sell those teams short. Central and Pts offense was good enough to score against the powerhouses of mayfield, highlands, and st. X and make them favs before wayne beat them. Now they were both defense teams don't start sounding like those western guys. I got more respect for eastern fans than that.
12-02-2013, 11:09 PM
Cardfan1 Wrote:Don't sell those teams short. Central and Pts offense was good enough to score against the powerhouses of mayfield, highlands, and st. X and make them favs before wayne beat them. Now they were both defense teams don't start sounding like those western guys. I got more respect for eastern fans than that.
So maybe I'm confused at what your sayin but this is how I take it....because Central and PT scored on those teams and didn't on Wayne...so that makes wayne as good as those powerhouses...hmmm.....
12-02-2013, 11:16 PM
Lilly Wrote:Belfry fans are the worst, even worse than Highlands fans.
Naww not really, but great game analysis Lilly.
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