[goBIGblue82]

Just a quick observation...if Bell was not on the same level as Corbin and Central...then why were their games so close . Corbin Must have gotten out coached or are the Bell players better and they overcome the coaching. Just curious.

Stop whining and take it , we did. We are all watching them again. Corbin is the best team not to make the semis, feel better?

I said it weeks ago, Bell played their best game of the season and Corbin their worst and the mighty Bell still couldnt win. Bell/Central wasnt close, there wasnt one second of the game that was in doubt for Central.

I understand why Central was able to comeback, there was so much more involved than officials. But for these seniors they dont understand because they only did what they were asked and in the end they made the play to win the game, but they were asked to do it again. The kid that made a clean tackle will blame himself when he did nothing wrong. I just dont understand how a team can have a chance to win and makes a miracle play but comes up short. And then the refs decide to give them one more chance. That penalty should never be called in a game to alter the outcome unless it is obvious.

[goBIGblue82]

But you lost just like Bell County didn't you? So I hope your stats keep you warm at night.

I do take comfort in knowing that Bell wasnt on the same level as Corbin.

[EKUAlum05]

Here is a little better look. This is from the Boosters club video camera. Notice his right hand is not on the player.



Or search YouTube for The catch heard 'round Corbin

This is going to sound really weird but the Hudl video has actually been edited it appears since the original post.

The original post shows as I mentioned 4 different angles and one of which clearly showed not only a clear facemask, but also a horse collar tackle that preceded it on that play. Those who saw the video when it was first posted can attest.

Really confused why that has been removed from the clip?

[ArchieAdams]

I bleed red and the penalty was obvious. We should have never been in that situation. Defense played too soft and conservative.

I am going to go on record and say I was wrong about Haddix. He has done a terrific job with the offense. They done enough to win the game. The Defense on the other hand did not get the job done. If you score 33 you should win. Tommy is a good football coach but way to conservative. He has always been that way.

[EKUAlum05]

Can't be showing what really happened on this website. Central made sure not to show the only angle they had by cutting the clip short. #20 has one hand on the ground trying to break his fall and the other arm is around the back of the central players neck driving him into the ground. Central coaches in the background begging for a call and they get it. It happens I understand that calls are missed, but now that everyone can see they can quit popping off when they weren't there. However, Corbin should never been in the situation to let luck and the officials play into the outcome.

As mentioned the facemask was blatantly obvious on the original video posted on Hudl.
You cant see the facemask form the angle of the youtube video but I can outline when everything happens.

-The tackle starts off innocent as the Corbin player wraps one arm around the back up top and the other around the chest.

-The Redhound player's hand slips off the chest and he seemingly begins to bring the Central receiver down from the top of the shoulder pads.

- At just before :12 you see the Central player take a step backwards (which is technically up field) and at this point the Corbin defender is on the ground but still gripping up top.

-The Corbin defender pops off the ground and at this point on the other video is when he uses his right hand (which was now free since it was on the ground) to firmly grasp the facemask. Due to the camera being field level and #5 for Corbin coming into the picture to assist you cannot see it on the Youtube video.

The key here is it was not the initial contact where the facemask came... it was on the second effort when the Central receiver did not initially go down.

The reason the Central coaches were begging for the flag was because it was very clear to them what they were seeing.

[goBIGblue82]

This is going to sound really weird but the Hudl video has actually been edited it appears since the original post.

The original post shows as I mentioned 4 different angles and one of which clearly showed not only a clear facemask, but also a horse collar tackle that preceded it on that play. Those who saw the video when it was first posted can attest.

Really confused why that has been removed from the clip?

I don't have to see that video, I was at the game and saw it live, and I have a HUDL account and I have watched it over and over since Friday night. There is no angle that shows a clear face mask. And I'm not sure you understand the definition of a Horse Collar even though that is a mute point because one wasn't called. Let me ask you why were the Central Coaches on the 15 yardline where the player was brought down if the Coaches box ends at the 25. For a group of people that are trying to get technical you're not looking at every aspect of the play. The Central coaches had already received a sideline warning...

[goBIGblue82]

Article 14: Twisting, Pulling, or Turning the Facemask. No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the
facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and
controls his opponent, it is a foul.

The Defender also never had his hand inside the collar for a Horse Collar or grabbed the back of the player pulling his forward motion back resulting in buckling the runners knees. His arm was clearly draped around the runners neck and his weight bent over the runner bringing him to the ground.

[The Spread]

I haven't seen a face mask on any of the numberous videos, but those are the breaks that no one can control. The game was put in jeopardy when Corbin's lineman made a false start with under 1 and a half minutes left in the game, turning a 2nd and 8 into a 2nd and 13. Pick up the first down and go home. Giving them the ball again was the difference. The only way to beat Central is to limit their touches. The coaches had a good gameplan and the kids executed near perfectly. It just wasn't enough! Get in the weight room and get ready for next year. A lot for us Corbin fans to be excited about!!

[johnnyd]

I do take comfort in knowing that Bell wasnt on the same level as Corbin.

You do realize that Corbin could have easily lost their game with Bell. Bell scores the 2 pt conversion and your season ends just like Bell's did at Central. I'd hate to hear the whining if you had to play Central at Central. Are we really going to compare loses here?

[Hatz]

:Sad04:

Good angle. Unless he grabs the face mask to bring him all the way down after the initial hit, I don't see one.

I didn't put the emoticon on this post. I don't know if a moderator did or not but it was not me.

[johnnyd]

Article 14: Twisting, Pulling, or Turning the Facemask. No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the
facemask of an opponent in any direction.
Note: If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and
controls his opponent, it is a foul.

The Defender also never had his hand inside the collar for a Horse Collar or grabbed the back of the player pulling his forward motion back resulting in buckling the runners knees. His arm was clearly draped around the runners neck and his weight bent over the runner bringing him to the ground.

Let me tell you a little secret. In football if you tackle a player around his head there will be a flag thrown. You cannot grab any part of the helmet, mask, back or side. With the state of head injuries the head is a no go. Its just one of those things that they will call EVERY TIME. You also have the advantage of a slow mo replay and at regular speed and having one shot to do so 99% of all referees are throwing that flag.

[rojas]

Forty (40) years ago in 1974, Evarts High School had a 14-7 lead on Corbin with under 2 minutes to play. Corbin had the ball on their own 20 yard line. Corbin runs a sweep around left end. The Corbin running back slips and falls down on both knees. Both Evarts and Corbin stop because he is clearly down. No whistle blows and the Corbin kid gets up and runs an 80 yard touchdown. The officiating crew were all from Corbin or the Corbin area. One of the crew is actually one of Corbin's biggest supporters to this day. Corbin makes the 2-point conversion and wins 15-14.

If Central got a break at the end of the game, could it have been poetic justice or karma? Just saying.

[EKUAlum05]

I don't have to see that video, I was at the game and saw it live, and I have a HUDL account and I have watched it over and over since Friday night. There is no angle that shows a clear face mask. And I'm not sure you understand the definition of a Horse Collar even though that is a mute point because one wasn't called. Let me ask you why were the Central Coaches on the 15 yardline where the player was brought down if the Coaches box ends at the 25. For a group of people that are trying to get technical you're not looking at every aspect of the play. The Central coaches had already received a sideline warning...

There was an angle that showed it clear as day. Seeing it live or not on the original Hudl video you could see the defender reach up and grab the facemask and pull the receiver down. There was no question it was a facemask.

Disagree if you want but anyone who saw the original video can attest there was no doubt from one of the camera angles looking straight down at it with no interference of bodies.

The sideline warning is definitely a new twist I had not heard about though. If true you certainly have a case that a flag should have been thrown.

[Hatz]

As mentioned the facemask was blatantly obvious on the original video posted on Hudl.
You cant see the facemask form the angle of the youtube video but I can outline when everything happens.

-The tackle starts off innocent as the Corbin player wraps one arm around the back up top and the other around the chest.

-The Redhound player's hand slips off the chest and he seemingly begins to bring the Central receiver down from the top of the shoulder pads.

- At just before :12 you see the Central player take a step backwards (which is technically up field) and at this point the Corbin defender is on the ground but still gripping up top.

-The Corbin defender pops off the ground and at this point on the other video is when he uses his right hand (which was now free since it was on the ground) to firmly grasp the facemask. Due to the camera being field level and #5 for Corbin coming into the picture to assist you cannot see it on the Youtube video.

The key here is it was not the initial contact where the facemask came... it was on the second effort when the Central receiver did not initially go down.

The reason the Central coaches were begging for the flag was because it was very clear to them what they were seeing.

I thought I saw a clear facemask on the original footage but like you, wonder where the last clip/angle went to.

In the point you describe is where I thought I saw the original penalty. In the new angle (Booster) it's hard to see but seems likely to me that he did pull it with the second effort.

82, I feel for the pain of those kids and your fans but emphatically stating you saw it live doesn't really back up things better than film. We often see what we want to see live.


Congrats to Corbin on a very good season. Sorry it ended that way for them. (Again, can't believe I said that.)

[goBIGblue82]

You do realize that Corbin could have easily lost their game with Bell. Bell scores the 2 pt conversion and your season ends just like Bell's did at Central. I'd hate to hear the whining if you had to play Central at Central. Are we really going to compare loses here?

Really, you want to go there. Do I need to post the video of Bell County's TD in overtime? You do realize the officials admitted to missing the call on that TD. Bell County's TE on the play was an ineligible receiver, yet that didn't stop him from running a route on that play.

[EKUAlum05]

I didn't put the emoticon on this post. I don't know if a moderator did or not but it was not me.

That's not cool if true.

I dont see anything saying it was edited but if you insist it was not there originally I will be glad to go back and remove that emoticon. I would hope someone would not do that.

Just let me know.

[Tica]

Guys, it's over. Wait for next year.

[oneijoe]

Kid was fighting to get to the endzone. His forward progress was stopped, the whistles blew, the clock was at 00:00, and then the kid was was forced to the ground and a flag was thrown....

If this is true, Corbin may have been robbed. No foul can happen after the final horn.


:Shaking:

[Bobcats 9108]

Really, you want to go there. Do I need to post the video of Bell County's TD in overtime? You do realize the officials admitted to missing the call on that TD. Bell County's TE on the play was an ineligible receiver, yet that didn't stop him from running a route on that play.

Listen I haven't said anything but I am going to now. We got beat by Central and have for the past 4 years. Until you play Central you really don't know what to expect. They are for real even when you think that they are down they aren't they play a killer schedule. Corbin hasn't played them since 2011 and Coach Greer hasn't been against them at all. Your defense lost the game. How do you lose to someone up 26-0. They haven't scored that many points on Bell at all they never attempted that many passes against Bell. Yes Bell had an illegal formation on the last play in OT the refs missed it that is part of the game. There were plays in the Bell and Central game as well Bell was driving and the RB appeared to be down and they come out with the ball and return it for a TD. So suck it up your outcome was the same as ours a loss. You got beat by the better team.

[johnnyd]

Really, you want to go there. Do I need to post the video of Bell County's TD in overtime? You do realize the officials admitted to missing the call on that TD. Bell County's TE on the play was an ineligible receiver, yet that didn't stop him from running a route on that play.

So I guess you was hoping that the refs would "miss" that call on the kid pulling another one down by the helmet. Referees are human and make mistakes. They get one look at a play. We get to dissect it over and over with video.

[Bobcats 9108]

If this is true, Corbin may have been robbed. No foul can happen after the final horn.


:Shaking:

Yes it can it isn't basketball the kid was still trying to score.

[Hatz]

That's not cool if true.

I dont see anything saying it was edited but if you insist it was not there originally I will be glad to go back and remove that emoticon. I would hope someone would not do that.

Just let me know.

Please remove it for me. Thanks.

[goBIGblue82]

Listen I haven't said anything but I am going to now. We got beat by Central and have for the past 4 years. Until you play Central you really don't know what to expect. They are for real even when you think that they are down they aren't they play a killer schedule. Corbin hasn't played them since 2011 and Coach Greer hasn't been against them at all. Your defense lost the game. How do you lose to someone up 26-0. They haven't scored that many points on Bell at all they never attempted that many passes against Bell. Yes Bell had an illegal formation on the last play in OT the refs missed it that is part of the game. There were plays in the Bell and Central game as well Bell was driving and the RB appeared to be down and they come out with the ball and return it for a TD. So suck it up your outcome was the same as ours a loss. You got beat by the better team.

I never quoted you on any of my posts because you had not talked any trash. JohnnyD wanted to bring up the events at end of the Corbin/Bell game so I was just filling him in on the illegal formation. There was also 12 men on the field before the 2pt that wasn't called. I wasn't trying to start a war with Bell fans, but you better believe when they come on here and pop off I'm going to throw out facts. Go back and read my posts I have stated that the Defensive playcalling and (Centrals ability to take advantage) was the biggest reason for this outcome.

[EKUAlum05]

Please remove it for me. Thanks.

Done

[Hatz]

If this is true, Corbin may have been robbed. No foul can happen after the final horn.


:Shaking:

When watching the video with sound, the whistle doesn't come until the runner is on the ground. So the foul that was called was "during the play."

[BCHS fan]

Bell County fans don't always post on BGR, but when they do they are classless. Bell County wasn't on the same level as Corbin or Central. After Central won and they continued to celebrate on Corbins field for 20 plus minutes nothing was said to them. Corbin seniors were trying to gather their last moments on their home field while Central chose to sing, dance, and chant. Yet, Corbin didn't say a word, they understood how to lose with class, something that still escapes Bell County.

At least Bell County played Central pretty close, and at least Bell County didn't blow a 26 point lead when Bell played Central and Corbin... Bell only lost to Corbin by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goBIGblue82]

So I guess you was hoping that the refs would "miss" that call on the kid pulling another one down by the helmet. Referees are human and make mistakes. They get one look at a play. We get to dissect it over and over with video.

I have said repeatedly that the referees are part of the game and make mistakes. It's just a shame when their mistakes directly impact the outcome of a game. I still haven't saw a facemask and if there wasn't one than the tackle was legal.

[goBIGblue82]

At least Bell County played Central pretty close, and at least Bell County didn't blow a 26 point lead when Bell played Central and Corbin... Bell only lost to Corbin by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad Bell can say they were at least almost as good as Central and Corbin. At least good enough to keep games close on some nights...

[SEKYFAN]

Let me tell you a little secret. In football if you tackle a player around his head there will be a flag thrown. You cannot grab any part of the helmet, mask, back or side. With the state of head injuries the head is a no go. Its just one of those things that they will call EVERY TIME. You also have the advantage of a slow mo replay and at regular speed and having one shot to do so 99% of all referees are throwing that flag.

They missed at least 2 tackles by Central where they pulled Coppock down by the back of his helmet when he broke into the secondary. I asked someone at the game if it was legal and they said no, and usually gets called. It was on the Corbin side of the field and that official looked totally scared of the moment and did not make a call the entire game. I wish he had been on the other sideline because that guy over there had no problem seeing Corbin's infractions.:biggrin:

I have no idea if there should have a penalty on the Corbin tackle or not, not seen anything conclusive and I was too far away at the game.

[Demarcus ware]

I agree with EKU, the original video did show the facemask. I would also love to know why it was edited.