[TheRealVille]

So our service men and women are less important than some turtles and sea birds?

So, how did you come to this conclusion? I have repeatedly said that I wish they would bring the troops home, from getting killed in a needless war.

[nky]

So, how did you come to this conclusion? I have repeatedly said that I wish they would bring the troops home, from getting killed in a needless war.

If we're buying from that region we have a vested interest in the security of the region thus we will need to have a presents there. Getting off as much middle eastern oil as we can will add to the safety of our service personnel. If we stop gulf oil production and exploration we will increase our need for more security in the middle east.

[Hoot Gibson]

If we're buying from that region we have a vested interest in the security of the region thus we will need to have a presents there. Getting off as much middle eastern oil as we can will add to the safety of our service personnel. If we stop gulf oil production and exploration we will increase our need for more security in the middle east.

:Thumbs: Excellent point, nky! Liberals who simultaneously advocate banning new domestic drilling while demanding the withdrawal of troops from the Middle East show no understanding of the real world in which we live. The less of our own oil we tap, the more dependent we will be on Middle Eastern oil, and the more important the security of the Middle East oil fields will become.

[Old School]

If we're buying from that region we have a vested interest in the security of the region thus we will need to have a presents there. Getting off as much middle eastern oil as we can will add to the safety of our service personnel. If we stop gulf oil production and exploration we will increase our need for more security in the middle east.

:Thumbs: I agree 100%.

[TheRealVille]

:Thumbs: I agree 100%.

You would.

[TheRealVille]

If we're buying from that region we have a vested interest in the security of the region thus we will need to have a presents there. Getting off as much middle eastern oil as we can will add to the safety of our service personnel. If we stop gulf oil production and exploration we will increase our need for more security in the middle east.

Well then, let's just have a black gulf, and kill billions of tourist job dollars, so you can have your precious oil.

[Hoot Gibson]

Well then, let's just have a black gulf, and kill billions of tourist job dollars, so you can have your precious oil.

Do you drive a car to work? Do you use plastic products or wear athletic shoes or use shampoo? The oil embargo of the 70s was a direct result of a weak, misguided policy in the Middle East (as is the rise of the Iranian outlaw state).

Report back to us and deliver another of your condescending lectures about the evils of oil when you have weaned yourself from its many products.

[TheRealVille]

Do you drive a car to work? Do you use plastic products or wear athletic shoes or use shampoo? The oil embargo of the 70s was a direct result of a weak, misguided policy in the Middle East (as is the rise of the Iranian outlaw state).

Report back to us and deliver another of your condescending lectures about the evils of oil when you have weaned yourself from its many products.

So then, are you willing to kill billions of tourist dollars and millions of jobs by blackening the gulf? New figures say 2.5 millions gallons a day.

[Hoot Gibson]

So then, are you willing to kill billions of tourist dollars and millions of jobs by blackening the gulf? New figures say 2.5 millions gallons a day.

Accidents happen in all walks of life. The gulf will recover and would have recovered more quickly if Obama had followed the contingency plans that were in place when he took office. Your concern about job losses is laughable. Obama has killed an untold number of jobs with his policies but I do not recall you uttering a single criticism of those policies. Obama's failure to suspend the Jones Act to avoid upsetting his union buddies has also made the situation worse - but again we hear nothing from you objecting to that policy either.

You seem to simply ignore questions about how much gasoline you burn, RV. When I am not riding a Metro train, I drive a car that gets 35 mpg. Have you ever gone more than two or three days without riding in a car that burns a petroleum product? Who is walking the walk and who is just talking to hear his own voice? :biggrin:

[Old School]

You would.

Yes, I would!
We have one spill and you want to quit drilling. Do you realize that over the past 50 years over a million gallons of radioactive water has been released into the waterways, some reaching water systems from nuclear power plants.

Thousands of accidents happen each year at nuclear plants yet you want to build more. Why? Why stop drilling over one accident, but continue to build more nuclear plants which have a industrial history of spills, accidents, and exposure to workers?

[TheRealVille]

Accidents happen in all walks of life. The gulf will recover and would have recovered more quickly if Obama had followed the contingency plans that were in place when he took office. Your concern about job losses is laughable. Obama has killed an untold number of jobs with his policies but I do not recall you uttering a single criticism of those policies. Obama's failure to suspend the Jones Act to avoid upsetting his union buddies has also made the situation worse - but again we hear nothing from you objecting to that policy either.

You seem to simply ignore questions about how much gasoline you burn, RV. When I am not riding a Metro train, I drive a car that gets 35 mpg. Have you ever gone more than two or three days without riding in a car that burns a petroleum product? Who is walking the walk and who is just talking to hear his own voice? :biggrin:

You live in the metro, you can do this, come back to KY. I'll gladly pay more to save my country, you conservatives are just like you normally are, you are for the here and now. You could care less about the people a million years down the road. "God is going to destroy the Earth anyway, and take the christians to heaven."

[Hoot Gibson]

You live in the metro, you can do this, come back to KY. I'll gladly pay more to save my country, you conservatives are just like you normally are, you are for the here and now. You could care less about the people a million years down the road. "God is going to destroy the Earth anyway".

Still dodging my questions I see. So, what do you drive - a big pick-up truck and an SUV? You may not have the public option available but my guess is that you could easily double your gas mileage by making a different choice in vehicles, yet you choose to trade fuel economy for safety and comfort.

I have nothing against SUVs but consider it none of my business what other people choose to drive. I drive a fuel efficient vehicle by choice and I ride the train for convenience. If I still lived in eastern Kentucky, my vehicle of choice would still be a full size SUV - but I do not lecture others about the evils of big oil.

Fossil fuels, including petroleum, have lifted billions of people out of poverty but Obama and his supporters believe that it is time for other people to give up their SUVs and other comforts. Hypocrisy thrives in the heart of socialism.

[TheRealVille]

Still dodging my questions I see. So, what do you drive - a big pick-up truck and an SUV? You may not have the public option available but my guess is that you could easily double your gas mileage by making a different choice in vehicles, yet you choose to trade fuel economy for safety and comfort.

I have nothing against SUVs but consider it none of my business what other people choose to drive. I drive a fuel efficient vehicle by choice and I ride the train for convenience. If I still lived in eastern Kentucky, my vehicle of choice would still be a full size SUV - but I do not lecture others about the evils of big oil.

Fossil fuels, including petroleum, have lifted billions of people out of poverty but Obama and his supporters believe that it is time for other people to give up their SUVs and other comforts. Hypocrisy thrives in the heart of socialism.

All the while, "god is going to destroy the earth, so I don't have to worry about later generations." BTW, my wife's car get's 28 mpg, and mine get's 21. I have a truck that get's 17 mpg, but I've driven it 1000 miles in 2 months.

[nky]

So then, are you willing to kill billions of tourist dollars and millions of jobs by blackening the gulf? New figures say 2.5 millions gallons a day.

so your willing to kill billions of dollars of oil industry jobs in the gulf coast region because of this accident? We need oil and should use the resources available to us. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of jobs at stake many of them will be lost with the 6 month moratorium place on off shore drilling by the President. At least three rigs have already been moved out of the region and will not be back. The government needs to stop attacking BP and become partners with them in solving this crisis. Driving BP out will only hurt the US in the end

[Hoot Gibson]

All the while, "god is going to destroy the earth, so I don't have to worry about later generations." BTW, my wife's car get's 28 mpg, and mine get's 21. I have a truck that get's 17 mpg, but I've driven it 1000 miles in 2 months.

I thought that you supported the CAFE standards, RV. Obama will be disappointed if he ever finds out that one of his biggest supporters owns three vehicles, all of which fail to meet the CAFE standards for 2010.

[TheRealVille]

so your willing to kill billions of dollars of oil industry jobs in the gulf coast region because of this accident? We need oil and should use the resources available to us. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of jobs at stake many of them will be lost with the 6 month moratorium place on off shore drilling by the President. At least three rigs have already been moved out of the region and will not be back. The government needs to stop attacking BP and become partners with them in solving this crisis. Driving BP out will only hurt the US in the end

Compared to the millions of jobs that will be lost otherwise, yes.

[nky]

Compared to the millions of jobs that will be lost otherwise, yes.

So the US should stop all off shore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico?

[TheRealVille]

So the US should stop all off shore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico?

Yes, if they can't find a way to not let this happen again.

[Captain Backdoor]

Yes, if they can't find a way to not let this happen again.

Yeah, and if your aunt had a set she'd be your uncle.

[nky]

Yes, if they can't find a way to not let this happen again.

If the US stops should we force other countries to stop? Should we use the military to enforce this ban of drilling in the gulf? India, Russia, Sudan, Mayanmar, Vietnam, China, plus the countries bordering the gulf, and about 13 other countries are currently drilling in the gulf- some within 45 miles of the US. Personally I would take the US's safety standards over any of these other countries standards but that's just me. So if we stop do we force the others to stop?

[Shady Grady]

This may be a little off topic, but it just seems to me that this country as a whole is more concerned about the birds and turtles than all the innocent unborn babies that die every day because they are not wanted. I love birds and wildlife, too, but I love little children whole lot more. As far as the gulf, things happen. What needs to be done is fix the problem to ensure it does not happen again. The answer is not to stop drilling. One thing we don't need is for the middle east to strengthen their hold on us.

[Old School]

It is being reported that Obama and his administration refushed help to clean up the spill from other countries. On day 2 after the spill at least 4 countries offered the services of skimmers. These large vessels could remove the oil from the gulf. So why didn't Obama accept these offers? Two reasons were reported, one was that these vessels could not collect 100% of the oil they pumped into the vessel, a small amount of oil would be released back into the water. The EPA does not allow oil being released into the waterways of the U.S.A. The second was the Jones Act, in which foreign can not enter U.S. waters, however it should be noted that Bush wavied the Jones Act during Katrina. Now fifty some days later the Obama and crew decide to accept the help and 4 skimmers were brought into the Gulf, these vessels could remove upto 36,000 barrels of oil every 24 hours. After just a few days the Coast Guard shutdown these vessels for over 24 hours. Why? Because they didn't have enough fire extinguishers or life vest on board.

This is our great government at work, and some expect them to direct the new healthcare plan. That's scary!

[Captain Backdoor]

This may be a little off topic, but it just seems to me that this country as a whole is more concerned about the birds and turtles than all the innocent unborn babies that die every day because they are not wanted. I love birds and wildlife, too, but I love little children whole lot more. As far as the gulf, things happen. What needs to be done is fix the problem to ensure it does not happen again. The answer is not to stop drilling. One thing we don't need is for the middle east to strengthen their hold on us.

:Thumbs::Thumbs::Thumbs::Thumbs:

You are exactly right!

[PIKEcountyFAN]

Has anyone watched on the News of the 10-20 ideas that take the oil right off the water?!?!?! WHY DONT THEY DO THIS?

[Matman]

It is being reported that Obama and his administration refushed help to clean up the spill from other countries. On day 2 after the spill at least 4 countries offered the services of skimmers. These large vessels could remove the oil from the gulf. So why didn't Obama accept these offers? Two reasons were reported, one was that these vessels could not collect 100% of the oil they pumped into the vessel, a small amount of oil would be released back into the water. The EPA does not allow oil being released into the waterways of the U.S.A. The second was the Jones Act, in which foreign can not enter U.S. waters, however it should be noted that Bush wavied the Jones Act during Katrina. Now fifty some days later the Obama and crew decide to accept the help and 4 skimmers were brought into the Gulf, these vessels could remove upto 36,000 barrels of oil every 24 hours. After just a few days the Coast Guard shutdown these vessels for over 24 hours. Why? Because they didn't have enough fire extinguishers or life vest on board.


This is our great government at work, and some expect them to direct the new healthcare plan. That's scary!

I just returned from Florida and this was all over the news. The people of that area seem to be more than a little disappointed with Obama. It was also reported the coast guard actually turned one of the skimmers away that had a waiver by mistake.

[Old School]

The government has now halted dregging operations off the La. The purpose of the dregging was to create a barrier to help protect the shore.

The following comment was made for the article linked below. I think it pretty well sums up the issuse to date.
Let me make sure I understand this correctly…earlier this year, George Soros (one of Obama’s handlers) buys $900.0 million worth of the Brazilian State owned oil company, Petrobras…then, the Obama administration sends $2.0 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil…intended for oil exploration (Brazil intends to drill twice as deep as the Horizon well…can you imagine?)…and not too very soon after that, we experience the worst oil well blowout and environmental disaster in the history of the United States…at which point, the federal government begins to obstructs effort’s to cap the well (declines offers of help from countries all over the world) when it became apparent that BP couldn’t handle it…then, this President (in all his ignorant glory) places a “six month moratorium on drilling”, knowing full well that the moratorium will kill the off shore oil industry in the entire Gulf…then proceeds to shake down BP for $20.0 billion claiming “BP will pay for this” (SHAMEFUL…but not surprising…considering due process was thrown out along with the rest of the US Constitution). Is all of this just coincidence…or, how about this…maybe, just a run of bad luck on the part of BP and Louisiana…or…you fill in the rest. I’m just saying!

http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html

[TheRealVille]

proceeds to shake down BP for $20.0 billion claiming “BP will pay for this” (SHAMEFUL…but not surprising…considering due process was thrown out along with the rest of the US Constitution)

http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html

**** yes, let's let BP off the hook. Only a republican thinks this way. You are par, Old School.

[Old School]

**** yes, let's let BP off the hook. Only a republican thinks this way. You are par, Old School.

There you go jumping to conclusions once again. Did I say BP was innocent or they should be let off the hook? NO, I did not. If you were to read the comment the writer said "…at which point, the federal government begins to obstructs effort’s to cap the well". Remember Barry is the one that said he has been in control of the sitution since day one.

[thecavemaster]

This may be a little off topic, but it just seems to me that this country as a whole is more concerned about the birds and turtles than all the innocent unborn babies that die every day because they are not wanted. I love birds and wildlife, too, but I love little children whole lot more. As far as the gulf, things happen. What needs to be done is fix the problem to ensure it does not happen again. The answer is not to stop drilling. One thing we don't need is for the middle east to strengthen their hold on us.

"Crap happens?" That's your philosophy? A woman gets raped, is forced by some religious gestapo to carry to term? "Crap happens" chirps Slim Shady. A woman's life in danger? Doctor determines a D & C is needed? Is forced by some religious gestapo to carry to term? "Crap happens" peeps Slim Shady. "What needs to be done is fix the problem and ensure it does not happen again." Did you also pen this: "When it rains, get out the umbrella so you won't get wet." The crowd goes mild. Come on, Man.

[Old School]

The A-Whale bills itself as the largest open-water oil skimmer in the world, and it’s at least very impressive. Originally an oil and ore tanker, the ship’s owners recently refitted the ship to do exactly the kind of work that the US so desperately needs in the Gulf of Mexico, and to do it on a vastly larger scale than current operations can handle. According to the ship’s project manager, the entire American effort in 66 days has skimmed off 600,000 barrels of oil. The ship’s owners claim that A-Whale can skim 500,000 barrels a day.
So where is the A-Whale now? In the Gulf? Not yet. It’s on its way there after being tied to a dock in Norfolk, Virginia, and won’t be allowed to join the cleanup effort until the Coast Guard and the EPA figure out whether it meets their standards


http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/27/da...-gulf-yet/