[Cardfan1]

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

You are dead wrong, Cardfan1. I don't value people based on their political beliefs. I disagree with Bezos on nearly all of his political positions, but I consider him as much a hero as Elon Musk. Bezos created his wealth in a market that he created through his own efforts. Musk and Bezos share a very optimistic vision of the future that involves developing commercial ventures throughout the Solar System and beyond, including human colonies to ensure that our species does not become extinct as the result of a global disaster.

As for Gates, Bloomberg, and Buffet, I have much more respect for them most politicians in either party. I don't consider them to be on the same level as Musk and Bezos because much of their wealth has come at the expense of eliminating competition and destroying jobs, but they have all been positives for the American economy.

You and your ilk look at wealthy men like Musk and Bezos as demons who have become wealthy by depriving others of their wealth, which is almost never how rich people accumulate their wealth. I recognize the monumental contributions to our economy and society that such men make. I am perfectly comfortable criticizing Bezos's political agenda while admiring and respecting his positive contributions to this world. You cannot seem to get past the fact that Musk is not a liberal and he has more money than you would see in a thousand lifetimes.

Man!! Hoot, you have turned over a new leaf.  Last week it was Woodward and now you're praising liberal billionaires.  Before you know it you will be a card carrying "Marxist, socialist, fascist antifa democrat" 

I find it hard to see these men as heroes as they hoard more wealth than 99% of Americans will see in their lives and pay less taxes than most.  I can't celebrate their accomplishments when they have so much freedom to succeed, yet they make concerted efforts to not give back like the rest of us.  

FWIW, what if we spent the same amount of time and money on technology to survive on this planet?  Also, I thought conservatives said climate change isn't real?  Dang, you have changed.

[vector#1]

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

You are dead wrong, Cardfan1. I don't value people based on their political beliefs. I disagree with Bezos on nearly all of his political positions, but I consider him as much a hero as Elon Musk. Bezos created his wealth in a market that he created through his own efforts. Musk and Bezos share a very optimistic vision of the future that involves developing commercial ventures throughout the Solar System and beyond, including human colonies to ensure that our species does not become extinct as the result of a global disaster.

As for Gates, Bloomberg, and Buffet, I have much more respect for them most politicians in either party. I don't consider them to be on the same level as Musk and Bezos because much of their wealth has come at the expense of eliminating competition and destroying jobs, but they have all been positives for the American economy.

You and your ilk look at wealthy men like Musk and Bezos as demons who have become wealthy by depriving others of their wealth, which is almost never how rich people accumulate their wealth. I recognize the monumental contributions to our economy and society that such men make. I am perfectly comfortable criticizing Bezos's political agenda while admiring and respecting his positive contributions to this world. You cannot seem to get past the fact that Musk is not a liberal and he has more money than you would see in a thousand lifetimes.

Man!! Hoot, you have turned over a new leaf.  Last week it was Woodward and now you're praising liberal billionaires.  Before you know it you will be a card carrying "Marxist, socialist, fascist antifa democrat" 

I find it hard to see these men as heroes as they hoard more wealth than 99% of Americans will see in their lives and pay less taxes than most.  I can't celebrate their accomplishments when they have so much freedom to succeed, yet they make concerted efforts to not give back like the rest of us.  

FWIW, what if we spent the same amount of time and money on technology to survive on this planet?  Also, I thought conservatives said climate change isn't real?  Dang, you have changed.

Hoot also said many times on here Trump won the election and is the president so much for his word

[Hoot Gibson]

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

You are dead wrong, Cardfan1. I don't value people based on their political beliefs. I disagree with Bezos on nearly all of his political positions, but I consider him as much a hero as Elon Musk. Bezos created his wealth in a market that he created through his own efforts. Musk and Bezos share a very optimistic vision of the future that involves developing commercial ventures throughout the Solar System and beyond, including human colonies to ensure that our species does not become extinct as the result of a global disaster.

As for Gates, Bloomberg, and Buffet, I have much more respect for them most politicians in either party. I don't consider them to be on the same level as Musk and Bezos because much of their wealth has come at the expense of eliminating competition and destroying jobs, but they have all been positives for the American economy.

You and your ilk look at wealthy men like Musk and Bezos as demons who have become wealthy by depriving others of their wealth, which is almost never how rich people accumulate their wealth. I recognize the monumental contributions to our economy and society that such men make. I am perfectly comfortable criticizing Bezos's political agenda while admiring and respecting his positive contributions to this world. You cannot seem to get past the fact that Musk is not a liberal and he has more money than you would see in a thousand lifetimes.

Man!! Hoot, you have turned over a new leaf.  Last week it was Woodward and now you're praising liberal billionaires.  Before you know it you will be a card carrying "Marxist, socialist, fascist antifa democrat" 

I find it hard to see these men as heroes as they hoard more wealth than 99% of Americans will see in their lives and pay less taxes than most.  I can't celebrate their accomplishments when they have so much freedom to succeed, yet they make concerted efforts to not give back like the rest of us.  

FWIW, what if we spent the same amount of time and money on technology to survive on this planet?  Also, I thought conservatives said climate change isn't real?  Dang, you have changed.

I have always praised the innovation, genius, hard work, and vision of Musk and Bezos. I have never never been a fan of Bob Woodward, so you once again have mischaracterized my posts in this forum and I don't understand what you think you gain by doing so. 

Billionaire visionaries like Bezos and Musk give back far more to society than you, I or 10,000 other average people combined will ever give back to society. They do not owe you a single cent of the wealth that they have accumulated, yet both of them invest their money in many projects for which they will not reap the rewards. The federal government creates no wealth and in the long term, saddling us and our descendants with debt that neither we nor future generations will ever be able to repay. Most of the money given to the federal government through taxes is used by politicians to consolidate power and to buy votes. The same goes for the $trillions that the federal government borrows to spend on useless programs for which the current generation would never agree to pay.

The fact that you assume that my comments about Bezos's and Musk's vision contributing to the long-term survival of the human species have anything to do with "climate change" shows a deep misunderstanding of science. The climate will change over time, as it has always changed over time, and eventually, the Earth will be engulfed by the Sun if our species survives long enough. However, our planet will also be struck with large meteorites that will change our climate and threaten us with extinction, as large meteor impacts have done in the past. There are other existential threats to humans but most people will get the idea with those examples. So, your climate change comment is yet another mischaracterization of my posts.

The bottom line is that you have no legitimate claim on the wealth that people like Musk and Bezos have accumulated. Americans are better off materially because of innovators like them, even if they were not paying $billions in taxes of every type. Our federal government is run by people who have little imagination or long-term interest in the future of mankind. Like you, they seek instant gratification by laying claim to other people's money and could not care less whether any humans are alive 1,000 or 1,000,000 years from now. 

Elon Musk's goal is to create a colony on Mars during his lifetime. Bezos wants to build the infrastructure for the commercial development of space. Bezos has often expressed his appreciation for companies like Fed-Ex and UPS, which made it possible for him to create Amazon without having to invest in delivery services upfront. He wants to pay the favor forward for future generations who will mine the asteroids and build our first colonies off-planet. 

Meanwhile, Democrats want to dismantle the U.S. Space Force because it was created on Trump's watch and both parties are borrowing money and dooming future generations of Americans to lives in poverty.

[vector#1]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...hp&pc=U531

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So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

You are dead wrong, Cardfan1. I don't value people based on their political beliefs. I disagree with Bezos on nearly all of his political positions, but I consider him as much a hero as Elon Musk. Bezos created his wealth in a market that he created through his own efforts. Musk and Bezos share a very optimistic vision of the future that involves developing commercial ventures throughout the Solar System and beyond, including human colonies to ensure that our species does not become extinct as the result of a global disaster.

As for Gates, Bloomberg, and Buffet, I have much more respect for them most politicians in either party. I don't consider them to be on the same level as Musk and Bezos because much of their wealth has come at the expense of eliminating competition and destroying jobs, but they have all been positives for the American economy.

You and your ilk look at wealthy men like Musk and Bezos as demons who have become wealthy by depriving others of their wealth, which is almost never how rich people accumulate their wealth. I recognize the monumental contributions to our economy and society that such men make. I am perfectly comfortable criticizing Bezos's political agenda while admiring and respecting his positive contributions to this world. You cannot seem to get past the fact that Musk is not a liberal and he has more money than you would see in a thousand lifetimes.

Man!! Hoot, you have turned over a new leaf.  Last week it was Woodward and now you're praising liberal billionaires.  Before you know it you will be a card carrying "Marxist, socialist, fascist antifa democrat" 

I find it hard to see these men as heroes as they hoard more wealth than 99% of Americans will see in their lives and pay less taxes than most.  I can't celebrate their accomplishments when they have so much freedom to succeed, yet they make concerted efforts to not give back like the rest of us.  

FWIW, what if we spent the same amount of time and money on technology to survive on this planet?  Also, I thought conservatives said climate change isn't real?  Dang, you have changed.

I have always praised the innovation, genius, hard work, and vision of Musk and Bezos. I have never never been a fan of Bob Woodward, so you once again have mischaracterized my posts in this forum and I don't understand what you think you gain by doing so. 

Billionaire visionaries like Bezos and Musk give back far more to society than you, I or 10,000 other average people combined will ever give back to society. They do not owe you a single cent of the wealth that they have accumulated, yet both of them invest their money in many projects for which they will not reap the rewards. The federal government creates no wealth and in the long term, saddling us and our descendants with debt that neither we nor future generations will ever be able to repay. Most of the money given to the federal government through taxes is used by politicians to consolidate power and to buy votes. The same goes for the $trillions that the federal government borrows to spend on useless programs for which the current generation would never agree to pay.

The fact that you assume that my comments about Bezos's and Musk's vision contributing to the long-term survival of the human species have anything to do with "climate change" shows a deep misunderstanding of science. The climate will change over time, as it has always changed over time, and eventually, the Earth will be engulfed by the Sun if our species survives long enough. However, our planet will also be struck with large meteorites that will change our climate and threaten us with extinction, as large meteor impacts have done in the past. There are other existential threats to humans but most people will get the idea with those examples. So, your climate change comment is yet another mischaracterization of my posts.

The bottom line is that you have no legitimate claim on the wealth that people like Musk and Bezos have accumulated. Americans are better off materially because of innovators like them, even if they were not paying $billions in taxes of every type. Our federal government is run by people who have little imagination or long-term interest in the future of mankind. Like you, they seek instant gratification by laying claim to other people's money and could not care less whether any humans are alive 1,000 or 1,000,000 years from now. 

Elon Musk's goal is to create a colony on Mars during his lifetime. Bezos wants to build the infrastructure for the commercial development of space. Bezos has often expressed his appreciation for companies like Fed-Ex and UPS, which made it possible for him to create Amazon without having to invest in delivery services upfront. He wants to pay the favor forward for future generations who will mine the asteroids and build our first colonies off-planet. 

Meanwhile, Democrats want to dismantle the U.S. Space Force because it was created on Trump's watch and both parties are borrowing money and dooming future generations of Americans to lives in poverty.

Hoot did Trump win or did Biden win ? I know this makes 4 times Biden has beaten Trump in Arizona that's gotta count for something.

[Hoot Gibson]

Biden's "Strongly Disapprove" job approval rating now stands at 50 percent vs. a 20 percent "Strongly Approve" rating. It is time for Democrats to stick a metaphorical fork into Biden. He is done.

With poll numbers as low as Biden's are, you can bet that there are many Democrats who are on the 2022 ballot who are silently cheering Senators Manchin and Sinema. You can also be sure that some of them will begin running against Biden as fake moderates.

[Hoot Gibson]

Biden down to 36%, 'sinking like the Titanic'

President Joe Biden’s crashing polling numbers appear to have no end as he fumbles with the border crisis, a 13-year high in inflation, and the threat of empty toy shelves on Christmas Eve.

In a new Zogby Poll just provided to Secrets, the first-year president has hit another job performance low, 36.4%.

“Our latest polling shows President Biden with a 36% positive job performance rating (excellent-15% and good-21% combined), while his negative rating is 61% (fair-19% and poor-42% combined),” pollster Jonathan Zogby of Zogby Analytics told us.

Worst of all, women are abandoning the president, followed by independents — voters critical to helping lobby for his $3.5 trillion tax-and-spending plan and $1.2 trillion infrastructure program.

“Women voters are abandoning ship. Biden needs to improve his polling numbers with women or Democratic leaders risk losing the 2022 midterm election,” said Zogby.

Zogby said that the problem for Biden is that he appears unable to get his agenda through Congress as the economy is sinking and other critical issues, such as the border crisis, crash in.

“Voters can't help but wonder why the Biden administration keeps sweeping these issues under the rug and declaring them ‘transitory.’ Democratic leaders cannot even come to consensus within their own ranks,” Zogby said in his analysis.

“Without the passage of the ‘Build Back Better Act,’ or a solid infrastructure bill, and the potential default of the U.S. debt on the horizon, is it any surprise Biden's presidency is sinking like the Titanic? Biden's failure to reach vaccination goals and his executive vaccine mandates have also not helped his cause,” he added.

The Zogby Poll shows a continued decline in support and approval of Biden. One recent survey had him down to 38% approval.

Worse, some polls show that Biden would lose to former President Donald Trump in a new election and that even Biden voters have “remorse” over their 2020 choice.

[Hoot Gibson]

It is amazing that Democrats have not already thrown Joe Biden under the bus. Biden's poll numbers prove that even the Democrat media and Big Tech's censorship of conservatives cannot make a politician as incompetent and evil as Joe Biden popular. If Biden is Democrats' 2024 candidate, then they will need an even better election rigging effort in 2024 than they had in 2020 to have any chance of winning.

Poll: Joe Biden’s Average Approval Rating Underwater

President Joe Biden’s approval rating is continuing to sink and is currently underwater completely, Saturday’s RealClearPolitics’ average of polls showed.

Saturday’s average, which includes polling from Reuters/Ipsos, Rasmussen Reports, [i]Economist[/i]/YouGov, [i]Politico[/i]/Morning Consult, CNN, the Trafalgar Group, and Quinnipiac, shows Biden in the negatives by 8.2 percent.

Overall, 52.1 percent disapprove, while 43.9 percent approve. Every recent individual poll included shows Biden in the negatives, with an exception of the CNN poll, which has him tied.

The continually sinking numbers follow a number of key issues mounting throughout Biden’s presidency, including his botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, which saw hundreds of Americans left behind. The incompetence resulted in the death of 13 U.S. servicemembers and two American toddlers who were just two and three years old.

In addition to the botched withdrawal from the now-Taliban-controlled country, Americans are losing trust in Biden’s handling of the Chinese coronavirus pandemic. Opinions appeared to sour after his divisive coronavirus speech last month, in which he pitted the vaccinated against the unvaccinated.

“We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us,” he said during the inflammatory speech.

During that speech, he announced his plan to direct the U.S. Department of Labor’s to develop a rule under the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA), forcing private businesses with over 100 employees to mandate vaccines or implement weekly testing requirements — a move many key Republicans, including 24 GOP attorneys general, have vowed to combat.

His administration caught fire again after it announced it would be rationing lifesaving coronavirus treatment to states, citing concerns over “equitable distribution.”

All the while, the U.S. faces a supply-chain crisis, as Biden’s Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is nowhere to be found, on paternity leave after adopting twins with his husband. The White House has since branded him a “role model.”

[RAM-A-DEVIL]

I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

[jetpilot]

^^^Somebody is on tilt

[Hoot Gibson]

I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

I understand your confusion. You obviously did not watch the Maricopa County audit team's presentation to the Arizona Senate and did not read the report for yourself. It is laughable that people just read other people's opinions when the actual facts are available to form one's own opinions. The purpose of a forensic audit is not to simply recount all ballots cast. The purpose is to evaluate the process and find flaws in the process. When there are 50,000+ ballots of questionable legitimacy in an election with a margin a victory of around 10,000 ballots, a recount is an insufficient basis on which to declare victory. Only legal ballots are supposed to be counted. The purpose of the recount by the forensic audit team was to ensure that they had received all of the ballots that were cast.

[The Outsider]

I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

It's scary the hold that he has over so many people.  He can say or do anything and he always gets a pass, such as his classless remarks today about Colin Powell.  How any decent person is okay with that is beyond reasonable comprehension.

[Old School Hound]

Will he make it to 34%.

That is the Trump low.

What does it matter? Trump's no longer president. Besides, Trump finished with a job approval rating well above 34 percent, assuming that is a number from a legitimate poll. What will it prove if Biden bottoms out at 35 percent? Biden can drop much, much lower and it is hard to imagine a dementia sufferer improving his image in the future. The least Democrats could have done was paired Biden with a competent running mate. They nominated two losers too many.

Hard to imagine any president would drop below Trump. Biden will bump back up if he will put the screws to those who are making America worse.

Biden has been an idiot and liar all his life, 50 years of it in Washington DC...Millions are seeing the full extent of the disaster for the first time. Nothing can help Biden now except fake polls. He can't do anything right, he would screw up a lemonade stand in less than one minute...or as a good buddy used to say, he could f^ck up an anvil.

Jet, you've called everyone under the sun who doesn't agree with your world view an idiot and a liar.  Biden is in good company in Jetson's world.  

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I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

It's scary the hold that he has over so many people.  He can say or do anything and he always gets a pass, such as his classless remarks today about Colin Powell.  How any decent person is okay with that is beyond reasonable comprehension.

Decent people are not okay with it.

[jetpilot]

I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

It's scary the hold that he has over so many people.  He can say or do anything and he always gets a pass, such as his classless remarks today about Colin Powell.  How any decent person is okay with that is beyond reasonable comprehension.

And you put your faith in Biden. HAHAHAHAHA

[jetpilot]

Will he make it to 34%.

That is the Trump low.

What does it matter? Trump's no longer president. Besides, Trump finished with a job approval rating well above 34 percent, assuming that is a number from a legitimate poll. What will it prove if Biden bottoms out at 35 percent? Biden can drop much, much lower and it is hard to imagine a dementia sufferer improving his image in the future. The least Democrats could have done was paired Biden with a competent running mate. They nominated two losers too many.

Hard to imagine any president would drop below Trump. Biden will bump back up if he will put the screws to those who are making America worse.

Biden has been an idiot and liar all his life, 50 years of it in Washington DC...Millions are seeing the full extent of the disaster for the first time. Nothing can help Biden now except fake polls. He can't do anything right, he would screw up a lemonade stand in less than one minute...or as a good buddy used to say, he could f^ck up an anvil.

Jet, you've called everyone under the sun who doesn't agree with your world view an idiot and a liar.  Biden is in good company in Jetson's world.  

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I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

It's scary the hold that he has over so many people.  He can say or do anything and he always gets a pass, such as his classless remarks today about Colin Powell.  How any decent person is okay with that is beyond reasonable comprehension.

Decent people are not okay with it.

I always know what you are going to say before you even know.

[Hoot Gibson]

What does it matter? Trump's no longer president. Besides, Trump finished with a job approval rating well above 34 percent, assuming that is a number from a legitimate poll. What will it prove if Biden bottoms out at 35 percent? Biden can drop much, much lower and it is hard to imagine a dementia sufferer improving his image in the future. The least Democrats could have done was paired Biden with a competent running mate. They nominated two losers too many.

Hard to imagine any president would drop below Trump. Biden will bump back up if he will put the screws to those who are making America worse.

Biden has been an idiot and liar all his life, 50 years of it in Washington DC...Millions are seeing the full extent of the disaster for the first time. Nothing can help Biden now except fake polls. He can't do anything right, he would screw up a lemonade stand in less than one minute...or as a good buddy used to say, he could f^ck up an anvil.

Jet, you've called everyone under the sun who doesn't agree with your world view an idiot and a liar.  Biden is in good company in Jetson's world.  

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I’m confused. How was the election rigged? He lost in Arizona 4 times. The last time it was audited by a pro Trump group and they actually found that Biden won by a wider margin. Where do you delusional people get this stuff from. It’s actually laughable. It’s also sad though that people can be duped by someone as pathetic as trump. What exactly do you you have in common with a billionaire that poops on a gold toilet?

It's scary the hold that he has over so many people.  He can say or do anything and he always gets a pass, such as his classless remarks today about Colin Powell.  How any decent person is okay with that is beyond reasonable comprehension.

Decent people are not okay with it.

I always know what you are going to say before you even know.

Some decent people made the mistake of voting for Biden. They no longer support him. His policies are destroying this country. Putting this country in the position of begging OPEC to produce more oil again is morally wrong no matter which party does it. Democrats are in big trouble politically and Democrats have Biden to thank for their problems.

Clinton bagman, Terry McCauliffe is even falling behind in the Virginia governor's race. In a move that reminded me of Joe Biden, McCauliffe cut an interview with a local television station short and told the reporter that he should have asked better questions. (See the last few seconds of the interview below.)

Education is a huge issue in Virginia and McCauliffe has aligned himself closely with the big teacher's unions. A biological male dressed in a skirt recently raped a 14-year old girl in a local high school restroom. When the father of the girl attended a school board meeting and tried to complain, he was told that the incident never occurred and then dragged out of the meeting by a police officer for disrupting the meeting. The superintendent has been forced to apologize and one school board member has resigned. This is a huge issue in northern Virginia. Biden's vaccination mandates are also a big issue here, both in the schools, on military bases, and in the defense industry.

Biden's poll numbers are a boat anchor for Democrat candidates across the nation and Kamala Harris is even further left of decent people than Biden is.

[Video: http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...nLds&t=75s]

[Hoot Gibson]

Ouch!

POLL: Biden’s Job Approval Rating Sinks To 37%

President Joe Biden’s job approval rating continues to sink, according to the results of a Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday.

Just 37% of Americans say they approve of Biden’s job performance according to the poll, down a single point from 38% on Oct. 6. Biden’s losses with independents were slightly more severe, with 28% of independent voters saying they approve of his performance compared to 32% earlier in the month.

Approval among men declined from 35% to 30%, while Biden gained among women, jumping a single percentage point from 42% to 43%. The president also saw major losses among hispanics, dropping nine percentage points from 42% to 33%. 

The Biden administration has hit several snags in recent months related to the withdrawal of Americans from Afghanistan in late August, COVID-19 vaccine mandates announced in early September and ongoing supply chain disruptions and inflation.

When asked whether they thought the country was better off or worse off compared to a year ago, 52% said they believed the country was worse, and 41% said they believed the country was better, according to the poll.

Republicans were chiefly concerned with immigration and the economy, with 28% and 24% listing them respectively as the most urgent issues currently facing the U.S. Democrats were more concerned with COVID-19, with 28% listing it as the most urgent issue.

“What worries Republicans most does not top the list of Democratic concerns, and vice versa. But for the country as a whole, the state of the economy edges out the pandemic and issues at the border as the matter of greatest concern,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim Malloy said when announcing the poll’s results.

The poll was conducted from Oct. 15 to Oct. 18 and sampled 1,342 U.S. adults, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.7 percentage points.

[Hoot Gibson]

58% Say Joe Biden Not Mentally or Physically Capable of Being President
A stunning 58 percent of voters say His Fraudulency Joe Biden is not up to the job of being president.

Rasmussen Reports surveyed 1,000 likely voters and asked, “How confident are you that Joe Biden is physically and mentally up to the job of being President of the United States?”

A full 50 percent said they are “not at all confident,” while another eight percent said “not very confident.”

In fact, only 27 percent said they were “very confident” Biden was up to the job of being president, while 14 percent said “somewhat confident.”
Basically, only 41 percent of voters believe Biden has what it takes mentally and physically to be president.

Rasmussen also asked, “Is Joe Biden doing the job of president, or are others making decisions behind the scenes?”

Only 38 percent believe Biden is making decisions, while a clear majority of 53 percent say others are making decisions for him.

[Hoot Gibson]

Even left-leaning pollsters are having trouble painting Biden's poor job performance in a positive light. Democrats still support Biden in overwhelming numbers but he is hemorrhaging support among independent voters and Hispanics. Anybody who still believes that the moron in the White House will be the Democrat nominee in 2024 needs to book an appointment for a reality check-up. 

It's fourth and long for Democrats. Time for them to send Harris onto the field for a punt because Republicans are about to take control with great field position if Joe Biden remains president.

Biden Has Largest Decline Than Any Other Post-WWII President, Yet Gallup's Headline Notes 'Steady' Approval

President Joe Biden has an approval rating of 42 percent and a disapproval rating of 52 percent, according to the results of the latest Gallup poll released on Friday. Biden's total third quarter approval rating, for July 20-October 19, was at 44.7 percent, down 11 points from his first quarter rating. Jeffrey M. Jones in his write-up for Gallup acknowledges that the "decline is larger than any prior president registered between his first and third quarters," yet he still chose to go with a headline highlighting how "Biden Job Approval Steady at Lower Level."

To Jones' credit, his headline is accurate in that Biden was at a 43 percent approval rating in September and went down just 1 statistically insignificant point in October to 42 percent. While it is accurate, it hardly seems like the biggest takeaway. 

While it's not much of a difference downward, it's also no improvement. As Jones acknowledges:

His latest rating suggests no improvement in his public support, as Democrats delayed passage of a pair of infrastructure bills due to internal disagreements on their size and scope. The U.S. economy continues to be plagued by supply chain issues, rising inflation and worker shortages, even as economic growth and stock values remain strong and the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level of the pandemic.

[Hoot Gibson]

Joe Biden has fallen in the polls and can't get up. Biden may drag Virginia gubernatorial candidate, Terry McCauliffe, down with him - although McCauliffe is tripping over his own clumsy feet.

Democrats seem to be expecting that it will be necessary to steal the gubernatorial election here in Virginia to avoid an embarrassing loss. Fairfax County has decided not to require the last four digits of voters' Social Security Numbers on absentee ballots. That will make it much easier for Fairfax County to deliver enough mail-in ballots to put Terry McCauliffe over the top. McCauliffe's poll numbers are dropping even faster than Biden's are in Virginia and the latest poll has him trailing Glenn Youngkin by 8 points. McCauliffe is one of the sleaziest politicians in this country. Education is a big issue here and McCauliffe has sided with the teachers' unions and school administrators over parents in the campaign.

The Virginia election will be a referendum on Joe Biden's policy and competence. Biden allegedly carried the state by 10 percent in the 2020 election. A McCauliffe loss or even a narrow win will not bode well for Democrats' 2022 prospects. Democrats are already warning that it may take several days to finish counting the absentee ballots. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Chuck Todd: ‘Shocking’ NBC Poll Shows 71% Believe U.S. Is on Wrong Track — ‘Scary News for the Democrats’

NBC anchor Chuck Todd debuted a new poll on Sunday’s broadcast of “Meet the Press” which showed 71 percent of Americans believe America is on the wrong track.

Todd said, “We have a brand new NBC news poll out this morning still with some scary news for the Democrats. The overarching message, Americans have lost their confidence in President Joe Biden and their optimism for the country. At least they have right now. Just 22% of adults say we are headed in the right direction. A shocking 71% say we’re on the wrong track and that includes a near majority of Democrats who are saying that.”

He continued, “President Biden’s approval rating stands at a dismal 42% versus 54% who disapprove. Believe it or not, just two months ago Mr. Biden was in positive territory, 49 approving. So what’s pulling down the president’s numbers? Look at this set of numbers, just 37% say he has the ability to handle a crisis versus a majority who say he does not. Thirty-seven percent also say he’s competent and effective as president. 50% disagree with that description. What’s more, Republicans, believe it or not, have double-digit leads in dealing with border security, inflation, crime, national security, the economy, and, shockingly, on getting things done. Democrats hold generally smaller double-digit leads on dealing with climate change, the coronavirus, education, and abortion. That’s really it right now.”

[The Outsider]

If Biden's approval rating falls 2 more points, it will match the lowest ever, which is held by Trump back in October 2020.

[jetpilot]

If Biden's approval rating falls 2 more points, it will match the lowest ever, which is held by Trump back in October 2020.

Biden's numbers are much worse than fake news and heavily skewed polls show. Every Republican but you (wink wink) knows this. Only people locked up in rubber rooms with straightjackets on think Biden is doing a good job. He is a national disgrace and worldwide laughingstock.

[Old School Hound]

If Biden's approval rating falls 2 more points, it will match the lowest ever, which is held by Trump back in October 2020.

Biden's numbers are much worse than fake news and heavily skewed polls show. Every Republican but you (wink wink) knows this. Only people locked up in rubber rooms with straightjackets on think Biden is doing a good job. He is a national disgrace and worldwide laughingstock.

Oh, my,  such irony in that statement !!!!  Your Orange Jesus will go down as the biggest disgrace in the nation's history. And worldwide, there has never been anyone thought of as a laughingstock.

[Gold River]

Some of you Biden supporters clearly didn’t have a political science class I only say this off opinions you have spewed out not off my personal beliefs. We live in a country, a great country in fact the best country. I’ll support whoever sets in that Oval Office till the end because I love America, I want us to succeed. I pray god has mercy on us all because we are headed in a terrible direction as a nation rooted from division and hate.

[The Outsider]

Some of you Biden supporters clearly didn’t have a political science class I only say this off opinions you have spewed out not off my personal beliefs. We live in a country, a great country in fact the best country. I’ll support whoever sets in that Oval Office till the end because I love America, I want us to succeed. I pray god has mercy on us all because we are headed in a terrible direction as a nation rooted from division and hate.

You're right.  The last 3-4 years have accelerated the hate and division in our country.  Let's hope that we can elect a true leader, someone who can unite,  during the next Presidential election, the options in the last 2 elections have been abysmal.

[Old School Hound]

If Biden's approval rating falls 2 more points, it will match the lowest ever, which is held by Trump back in October 2020.

Biden's numbers are much worse than fake news and heavily skewed polls show. Every Republican but you (wink wink) knows this. Only people locked up in rubber rooms with straightjackets on think Biden is doing a good job. He is a national disgrace and worldwide laughingstock.

Oh, my,  such irony in that statement !!!!  Your Orange Jesus will go down as the biggest disgrace in the nation's history. And worldwide, there has never been anyone who has been more of a laughingstock than Trump. 

[Hoot Gibson]

Joe Biden has been president for less than one year. Inflation is skyrocketing, he humiliated himself and his country with his botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, and he has created empty shelf space in stores by creating problems with our supply chain with vaccine mandates.

Today, Americans in blue states Virginia and New Jersey had a chance to tell the imbecile in the White House what they think of the job that he has done so far. It appears that Glenn Youngkin, who was endorsed by Donald Trump, will be the new governor in Virginia. Although it is still too close to call the New Jersey gubernatorial race, the Republican candidate will either win the election or at the very least, will come much closer to winning than political experts expected. These are states that Joe Biden won by wide margins only a year ago.

If Joe Biden is not a global laughingstock, then there is no such animal.

[Gold River]

Some of you Biden supporters clearly didn’t have a political science class I only say this off opinions you have spewed out not off my personal beliefs. We live in a country, a great country in fact the best country. I’ll support whoever sets in that Oval Office till the end because I love America, I want us to succeed. I pray god has mercy on us all because we are headed in a terrible direction as a nation rooted from division and hate.

You're right.  The last 3-4 years have accelerated the hate and division in our country.  Let's hope that we can elect a true leader, someone who can unite,  during the next Presidential election, the options in the last 2 elections have been abysmal.

Exactly I’m tired of hearing about missing mean tweets and cheap gas as well! Presidents don’t divide us they unite us. Everyone misses the old days but no one votes the old ways. People use to vote on honest values, and for years we ran as a nation United through the good and the bad. we also have a primary election for a reason to help find those values. Everyone’s to blame, so many adults influenced by their bank account, young adults influenced by pop culture more than ever, it goes on and on.

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Joe Biden has been president for less than one year. Inflation is skyrocketing, he humiliated himself and his country with his botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, and he has created empty shelf space in stores by creating problems with our supply chain with vaccine mandates.

Today, Americans in blue states Virginia and New Jersey had a chance to tell the imbecile in the White House what they think of the job that he has done so far. It appears that Glenn Youngkin, who was endorsed by Donald Trump, will be the new governor in Virginia. Although it is still too close to call the New Jersey gubernatorial race, the Republican candidate will either win the election or at the very least, will come much closer to winning than political experts expected. These are states that Joe Biden won by wide margins only a year ago.

If Joe Biden is not a global laughingstock, then there is no such animal.

That’s so true as well and your photo at the Bottom of your posts tells a story in itself that should open so many eyes. The only thing I have found peace for myself in that Biden has done is push the vaccine so hard  I know it’s unpopular and I respect everyone’s opinion but it hits so close to home for me ive saw life’s forever changed before my own eyes due to unvaccinated situations, 6 months ago I would’ve laughed if you said I’d be vaccinated now. it’s almost one thing I wish Trump would’ve still been in office for I feel like more people would’ve willingly took it and helped focus on other issues.

[Hoot Gibson]

Some of you Biden supporters clearly didn’t have a political science class I only say this off opinions you have spewed out not off my personal beliefs. We live in a country, a great country in fact the best country. I’ll support whoever sets in that Oval Office till the end because I love America, I want us to succeed. I pray god has mercy on us all because we are headed in a terrible direction as a nation rooted from division and hate.

You're right.  The last 3-4 years have accelerated the hate and division in our country.  Let's hope that we can elect a true leader, someone who can unite,  during the next Presidential election, the options in the last 2 elections have been abysmal.

Exactly I’m tired of hearing about missing mean tweets and cheap gas as well! Presidents don’t divide us they unite us. Everyone misses the old days but no one votes the old ways. People use to vote on honest values, and for years we ran as a nation United through the good and the bad. we also have a primary election for a reason to help find those values. Everyone’s to blame, so many adults influenced by their bank account, young adults influenced by pop culture more than ever, it goes on and on.

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Joe Biden has been president for less than one year. Inflation is skyrocketing, he humiliated himself and his country with his botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, and he has created empty shelf space in stores by creating problems with our supply chain with vaccine mandates.

Today, Americans in blue states Virginia and New Jersey had a chance to tell the imbecile in the White House what they think of the job that he has done so far. It appears that Glenn Youngkin, who was endorsed by Donald Trump, will be the new governor in Virginia. Although it is still too close to call the New Jersey gubernatorial race, the Republican candidate will either win the election or at the very least, will come much closer to winning than political experts expected. These are states that Joe Biden won by wide margins only a year ago.

If Joe Biden is not a global laughingstock, then there is no such animal.

That’s so true as well and your photo at the Bottom of your posts tells a story in itself that should open so many eyes. The only thing I have found peace for myself in that Biden has done is push the vaccine so hard  I know it’s unpopular and I respect everyone’s opinion but it hits so close to home for me ive saw life’s forever changed before my own eyes due to unvaccinated situations, 6 months ago I would’ve laughed if you said I’d be vaccinated now. it’s almost one thing I wish Trump would’ve still been in office for I feel like more people would’ve willingly took it and helped focus on other issues.

I recovered from a pretty bad case of COVID-19 and was in the hospital for nearly 2 weeks. For high risk people who have not already recovered from the virus, I agree that they should get vaccinated but under no circumstance should they be forced to get a vaccination. For children and young adults with no known risk factors that put them at a relatively high risk of dying or becoming severely ill from the virus, I do not believe that they should be vaccinated, but that should be their parents' choice for children and the adults' choice - not the government's.

I was forced to get a vaccination under creepy Joe Biden's unlawful mandate. Because I acquired substantial natural immunity from having recovered from the virus, I was leaning toward not getting the virus until studies determine how durable my natural immunity was. Biden took that choice away from me. I would like to think that Trump would have continued to oppose federal mask and vaccination mandates, but we cannot be sure that he would not have caved to political pressure. He did keep paying Fauci the highest salary of any federal employee, despite Fauci's many blunders.

So, there is absolutely nothing that Biden has done so far that I view as a positive. I really thought that Democrats would have already forced Biden out of office in a last ditch effort to stop the coming red wave elections of 2022. I don't think that many Democrat candidates are going to want to share a stage or a city with Biden or Harris anytime soon. They are political poison.

[jetpilot]

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1456035062315683847

[Hoot Gibson]