[EKUAlum05]

Have to go with Riley Hall this year... tons of experience and a gamer.



I don't want to dare list him as one of the best QB's in the State.. but if you need an under the radar guy who may explode onto the scene watch out for Noah Corbett at Belfry. He has one of the most unique skill sets for a QB to play for Belfry in a long time and has that "wow" factor with his ability to make a big play out of nothing.

Still has a loooong way to go from a fundamental standpoint but the kid has the potential to have a breakout season with a talented team and experienced team surrounding and blocking for him.

[Iam4thecats]

If a qb doesn't lead the state statistically or doesn't get a D-1 offer because of his obvious talent and film then how is he to be considered the best in the state over someone who does?

[E's Army]

Riley Hall has to be in the argument. Have not seen everybody so it is hard for me to argue against kids from Western Ky.

[Farmmgr]

Not even close

Are you agreeing?

[Iam4thecats]

Are you agreeing?

NO, I am not. I didn't realize at the time that it appeared ambiguous.

[Farmmgr]

I was wondering about that. I thought any UK fan giving a Bolin any credit for anything would be a stretch. I have seen several of the QB's mentioned play. As a former coach and having a son that is playing now I have had the opportunity to watch Clay throw at camps and play in a couple games . I will stick with my analysis.

[Farmmgr]

If a qb doesn't lead the state statistically or doesn't get a D-1 offer because of his obvious talent and film then how is he to be considered the best in the state over someone who does?

I think that you need to learn a little more about how recruiting is done by colleges. Whether it be a QB or any other position player. A kid that may not be recruited in Ky may have a long offer sheet if he were in Ohio. Ky does not even have a rivals guy that covers the state. Therefore a kid will not get the national publicity that other kids get in a different state. If you will look at the offer sheet (Major Colleges) that any high profile kid in Kentucky has you will see UK is the first to offer in most cases. Now if a kid gets a S.E. conference offer then the recruiting services will take a look, write about a kid and claim credit for being spot on about their evaluations. Most of the time other offers will follow. Sometimes offers are used as camp invites essentially. We like you, we want to offer you but want to see you at camp to make sure. A un committable offer. No offer by a college to a player is binding. Urban Meyer is notorious for this. Not with all players but a few. Schools will also offer a kid that is a under classman that may be on the borderline to entice other more high profile players at his school to piggyback them there. No coach wants to get beat head up on a recruit so they may offer several from a school. You see this a lot with Ky.So to answer the question you ask. Can a kid that flies under the radar because of who or where he plays be better than a kid with a offer? Sure. This thread was about the best QB not the kid that has offers. At least what I read into it.

[Iam4thecats]

I think that you need to learn a little more about how recruiting is done by colleges. Whether it be a QB or any other position player. A kid that may not be recruited in Ky may have a long offer sheet if he were in Ohio. Ky does not even have a rivals guy that covers the state. Therefore a kid will not get the national publicity that other kids get in a different state. If you will look at the offer sheet (Major Colleges) that any high profile kid in Kentucky has you will see UK is the first to offer in most cases. Now if a kid gets a S.E. conference offer then the recruiting services will take a look, write about a kid and claim credit for being spot on about their evaluations. Most of the time other offers will follow. Sometimes offers are used as camp invites essentially. We like you, we want to offer you but want to see you at camp to make sure. A un committable offer. No offer by a college to a player is binding. Urban Meyer is notorious for this. Not with all players but a few. Schools will also offer a kid that is a under classman that may be on the borderline to entice other more high profile players at his school to piggyback them there. No coach wants to get beat head up on a recruit so they may offer several from a school. You see this a lot with Ky.So to answer the question you ask. Can a kid that flies under the radar because of who or where he plays be better than a kid with a offer? Sure. This thread was about the best QB not the kid that has offers. At least what I read into it.

None of that makes your statement that Clay Bolin has the best arm talent in the state true. I have seen him on film, I have seen many of these kids in the discussion. I am also a coach and I know what i'm talking about too. He is not the best arm talent. Not the best talent talent, and not the best qb. Not even close. Not the best high school qb, not the best college prospect qb, not the best anything. If he were still at Lafayette he'd be on the bench or playing a different position. The kid thats at Lafayette isn't the best either.

[Iam4thecats]

Joe: My guy he's the best qb in the state! John: There's another guy who has a D-1 offer as a QB and your guy doesn't. Joe: Don't worry about that my guy is flying under the radar and you don't know how recruiting works. John: There's a different guy who led the state in passing last year and he is back. Joe: My guy has the best arm talent in KY! John: nobody has seen it but you.

[Farmmgr]

I posted a comment on who I think was one of the best QB's in the state. You said that if a guy leads the state statistically and has a D-1 offer then he must be the best. That statement would lead me to believe that you have never coached H.S. football and even more don't know much about it. I didn't insult your opinion but since you want to attack me I will say this.I would guess you are nothing more than a fanatic with some sort of agenda. I at this point do not know any QB in the class of 2016 that has a D-! offer I may be wrong . I tried to explain a little about how the recruiting process works since I have coached in both H.S. and the D-1ranks. You don't want to hear that. You want to cop a attitude and throw out some gibberish about "Joe" who is Joe?. I also think it is unfair to get on a site and talk about a kid you know nothing about and a situation you know nothing about and make a blanket statement on whether he would be playing or not. Who knows? I have heard through back channels the Lafayette deal was not all what you think it was. That is all I know about that. Furthermore your evaluation on a kids talent or ceiling matters to me not one bit. My comment on Bolin was not directed at you in my original post and I didn't ask for your opinion on it. When I want your opinion I will ask for it directly. Don't hold your breat waiting for it. I did ask you to clarify your comment which in hind site I regret .

[EKUAlum05]

Just for the sake of argument I wasn't overly impressed with Bolin last season from what I saw.

Quality QB for sure with nice size and arm strength... but his accuracy was severely lacking and his mobility/footwork was limited from what I saw.

Bourbon County didn't exactly play murderer's row for their competition and Bolin completed only 50% of his passes and threw for only like 132 yards per game.

[Iam4thecats]

I'm sorry you don't like being contradicted. At least i'm one of the minority of posters on here who isn't a homer pushing a kid or a team with no actual facts to back it up. I asked how THE BEST qb in the state has neither an offer or is the statistical leader. I gave the name of said statistical leader. The names of kids with offers were mentioned by others. I take it back, i'm not sorry you don't like being contradicted, as a matter of fact I don't care if you like it or not. I'd like to see some actual factual evidence that Bolin is the best arm talent in the state. You have provided no evidence, but you did have a very eloquent excuse why he doesn't have an offer. My original question is an honest question and it was directed at EKUalum05 because I consider him the most knowledgeable and neutral poster on this entire forum.

[Farmmgr]

I was impressed with Clay Bolin last year when I saw him play in games and in a camp I went to also. It seems some of the recruiting services have been also. I don't think they are overly impressed with his size at under 6'2. I don't know if he has offers or not. I was not impressed with his receivers. I saw a game at Boyle at the first of the season that I bet there were close to 10 dropped balls. That being said I am sure they got better as the season went on. Nevertheless you can contradict all you want. Your contradictions to anything I say have no bearing on what I have seen nor what I believe and they will not. Being a high school coach when you talk about statistics in a post about high school kids potential you have lost all credibility with me. That is one of the last things that a college coach will look at. Trust me. What if a QB has a strong running back and they pound the ball and don't throw it much will that get the colleges off the kid? Not in most cases.

[CatScractchFever96]

all right folks rivals has had a camp or two and also a few other showcases in region...WHO YA GOT?
1) previous year totals
2) growth
3) letters and visits to colleges and university's
4) expectations for 2015

gonna go ahead and put it out there im a homer...FAIRVIEW EAGLES that is!!

ALEX ROY IN MY MIND.. IN THIS HALF OF THE STATE AT LEAST...WHO YA GOT?...THANKS

The best QB in State for 2015 didn't even play QB last season he is a sophomore from Prestonsburg, Tyler Martin.

[PantherFan#1]

Jaxon Stewart the qb from Knox will be a dark horse this year IMO

[Tight End]

I don't put much faith anymore in 'TALK' about in-coming QB's and who is the best in the state this early. Anything can, will and does happen even before the season starts. You have no guarantees who is going to be healthy & once in a great while someone a coach isn't even thinking about *BLOOMS over the off season and it can be a kid no one was even considering in the QB slot come game time.

[pjdoug]

for any of you that haven't seen him play. keep your eye on Luke Woods.He is the real deal and is stronger and faster this year.

[HSFOOTBALL]

Just for the sake of argument I wasn't overly impressed with Bolin last season from what I saw.

Quality QB for sure with nice size and arm strength... but his accuracy was severely lacking and his mobility/footwork was limited from what I saw.

Bourbon County didn't exactly play murderer's row for their competition and Bolin completed only 50% of his passes and threw for only like 132 yards per game.

I don't have much of a dog in this fight, other than keeping up with BCHS, but I will say that you, EKU, should know more than anybody that you can't judge a HS QB by completion percentage. For one, Bourbon has been a zone run team since Hodge was there. They feasted for 2 years because noone could keep up with Johnson or Hilander while respecting Hopkins and Holman who were both D1 talents. Take away Johnson and Hilander and Bourbon wsa left with 0 talent at receiver last year, which meant teams could play man and load the box against Holman, which is why if you look at the stats, Holman was not as successful either..

I know it sounds funny, but you can always tell how much a player is recruited by looking at their views on HUDL. if they are hovering in the 0-100 views mark, its probably them and their family members watching with maybe a few smaller colleges. If the views are up in the 300+ they have more than likely been to camps and word has gotten out that they have some sort of potential.

I will also say that Bolin is hands down the most accurate quarterback I saw play last year, Kash Daniel (who is a fullback playing Quarterback) included.

Take some time and watch his highlight film and count the number of dropped passes just from the highlights and you'll see what frmmgr is talking about.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4127333/high...0209408/v2

[pjdoug]

I don't have much of a dog in this fight, other than keeping up with BCHS, but I will say that you, EKU, should know more than anybody that you can't judge a HS QB by completion percentage. For one, Bourbon has been a zone run team since Hodge was there. They feasted for 2 years because noone could keep up with Johnson or Hilander while respecting Hopkins and Holman who were both D1 talents. Take away Johnson and Hilander and Bourbon wsa left with 0 talent at receiver last year, which meant teams could play man and load the box against Holman, which is why if you look at the stats, Holman was not as successful either..

I know it sounds funny, but you can always tell how much a player is recruited by looking at their views on HUDL. if they are hovering in the 0-100 views mark, its probably them and their family members watching with maybe a few smaller colleges. If the views are up in the 300+ they have more than likely been to camps and word has gotten out that they have some sort of potential.

I will also say that Bolin is hands down the most accurate quarterback I saw play last year, Kash Daniel (who is a fullback playing Quarterback) included.

Take some time and watch his highlight film and count the number of dropped passes just from the highlights and you'll see what frmmgr is talking about.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4127333/high...0209408/v2

Watch Luke Woods on HUDL

[HSFOOTBALL]

With all due respect I've seen Luke Woods play, and he is a good athlete, but not a quarterback. Williamsburg runs a spread offense focused around short passes, and Woods is a good enough athlete to buy time to get guys open and a good enough passer to hit open receivers, but I don't remember seeing him making any challenging throws or having much arm strength. Again, a great athlete, but not a great QB.

[pjdoug]

With all due respect I've seen Luke Woods play, and he is a good athlete, but not a quarterback. Williamsburg runs a spread offense focused around short passes, and Woods is a good enough athlete to buy time to get guys open and a good enough passer to hit open receivers, but I don't remember seeing him making any challenging throws or having much arm strength. Again, a great athlete, but not a great QB.

Luke Woods doesn't play for Williamsburg. He plays for Whitley County.

[Lilly]

Luke Woods doesn't play for Williamsburg. He plays for Whitley County.

How did I know I would find you on here proclaiming someone from Whitley was the best? :insane:

[OldJacket]

How did I know I would find you on here proclaiming someone from Whitley was the best? :insane:

Don't know that Luke is the best but he is pretty good...

[pjdoug]

How did I know I would find you on here proclaiming someone from Whitley was the best? :insane:

How did I know a you would comment on everything I say? I must be your hero :worthy:

[pjdoug]

Don't know that Luke is the best but he is pretty good...

I haven't thrown a football much in the last few years so he is better than me at the moment :biggrin:

[football23]

Cash Jones from McCracken County.

[UK1fan]

Ryles Tyler Morgan was offered a scholarship to Louisville.

[Jackson05]

I believe that's Morgan's second BCS offer heading into his junior season. He would have to be the front runner for the best QB in KY.

[pjdoug]

Ryles Tyler Morgan was offered a scholarship to Louisville.

are you referring to Tanner Morgan that transferred from Hazard?

[pjdoug]

I believe that's Morgan's second BCS offer heading into his junior season. He would have to be the front runner for the best QB in KY.

What makes him the front runner?