11-21-2009, 09:12 AM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:I have no idea what cheap stuff your referring to , but in the eyes of EF442 it went both ways. I really dont care if Highlands was a guilty party or not. It doesn't matter, the game is over and we took our licks. It's not anything that is worth wasting a second over argueing about now.
No arguments here. Sometimes we fans only see one sided. Teams need to tell their kids that punching another kid only serves to fire up the other team that much more. It never has a positive effect on the outcome of games.....
11-21-2009, 09:18 AM
Eagle_Fan442 Wrote:Congrads to the Bluebirds on the win. You young men played a good hard fought game.
JC you did Johnson County proud tonight and we're already looking forward to next season when we match up with the Birds again. I'ts gonna happen!!!
As far as the nasty personal fouls..that went both ways, as well as a face mask that wasn't called, but oh well, you're right...emotions run high in games like these.
Just one more thing I would like to say here....To the Highland fans that was sitting on the visitors side, telling our fans they need to sit there a..... down.
I'm pretty sure you would be able to see much better if you took a seat in the home section, there was still plenty of seating available on the home side when you decided to sit where you did. The only thing you would of had to look over then was some of the noses stuck in the air.....
Good Luck to the Blue Birds the rest of the way...we'll see you next year.
"there's one on every block" even in Ft. Thomas.
11-21-2009, 09:29 AM
sstack Wrote:Are the excuses starting? The turnovers were in large part due to Highlands special teams playing great and forcing JC to start deep in their own end. Highlands forced some 2nd and 3rd long plays and JC's Off is not designed for that. And if you want to start talking about ifs and butts; If Highlands does not have a pentalty when 3rd and 2 in the first half, they probably get the first down and go in to score. And if the do not have a bone head defensive pass interference play, JC never scores the second TD and the score could easily be 21-7 or28-7 at the half. JC played a good game but Highlands is just the better and more balanced team. Highlands showed they had more depth and better half time adjustments. JC Has excellent running game but sooner or later will realize they need to establish a passing attack to advance farther in the playoffs.
I guess I have a little different theory on that. I dont think that Central needs to work on a pass offense nearly as bad as they need to work on a better pass defenses. I kind of like the Bear Bryant theory on passing. Only three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad.....you know the story.
If you dont get yourself in a hole from letting your opponent have a fast strike play, you dont have to rely on it so much yourself. Perhaps a little more balance is needed, I wont totally disagreee with that, but I hope we never become one of those teams that put the ball in the air 40 times a game. This offense is too much fun to watch to go to a type of game where you only take 5 seconds off the clock on every play. I hate watching those type teams play. Just throwing one in here and there is all that is needed.
I am assuming that Cincy St. X has what you are referring to as a more more balanced attack than what your saying that JC does? Wonder why they could only put up 7 points against you? (By the way I saw that game on TV). I am also assuming that all the other teams that you have played fit into the same category that you are referring to as more balanced? By looking at the results of your other games this season, JC with their one dimensional approach was able to put up more points on the board than anyone you have played so far this year. Sort of kills that theory to a degree doesn't it?
No, I disagree with all of you guys claiming more pass, pass , pass. For us, it needs to be more stop the pass, pass, pass. Keep yourself from getting in holes and having to dig your way out. That's more of the answer, IMO.
11-21-2009, 09:30 AM
Quote:Highlands wins but JC will play great
Highlands-49
JC-22
this was my prediction from 11-15-09 @ 8:34 in the morning man that was a close one good luck next year JC good luck highlands rest of the way.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
11-21-2009, 09:37 AM
whackem'n'stackem Wrote:No arguments here. Sometimes we fans only see one sided. Teams need to tell their kids that punching another kid only serves to fire up the other team that much more. It never has a positive effect on the outcome of games.....Any kid that punches another kid in a football game has serious mental issues in my book anyways. What do you think your really going to do whem you take your fist and hit another player that is wearing a helmet, a facemask, and a body suite of plastic armour? Absolutely nothing, except maybe break your own hand..
Kind of a mute subject to even get upset about when it happens if you stop to think about it. Nobody's gonna hurt anybody anyways.
[ . It seemed as if JC had already conceded defeat down 42-14 with a whole quarter to go they continue to run it up the gut and chew up the clock. What's up with that? Why even play the 4th quarter if you're not even going to try to get back in it. They didn't try a pass until 3minutes were left on the clock. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Highlands just let them continue to chew up the clock and shoot themselves in the foot. -whackem
This is why you need a passing game. I could actually hear Highlands fans laughing and mocking the play calls. It was very humorous to see a team down 42-14 in such an important game, 4th qtr, running the ball. Seriously? Every team needs a passing game to some degree....:HitWall:
This is why you need a passing game. I could actually hear Highlands fans laughing and mocking the play calls. It was very humorous to see a team down 42-14 in such an important game, 4th qtr, running the ball. Seriously? Every team needs a passing game to some degree....:HitWall:
whackem'n'stackem Wrote:[ . It seemed as if JC had already conceded defeat down 42-14 with a whole quarter to go they continue to run it up the gut and chew up the clock. What's up with that? Why even play the 4th quarter if you're not even going to try to get back in it. They didn't try a pass until 3minutes were left on the clock. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Highlands just let them continue to chew up the clock and shoot themselves in the foot. -whackem
This is why you need a passing game. I could actually hear Highlands fans laughing and mocking the play calls. It was very humorous to see a team down 42-14 in such an important game, 4th qtr, running the ball. Seriously? Every team needs a passing game to some degree....:HitWall:
If you read what I said, I am not disputing that. I know it's important to have that option. You can delete the head banging thingy. I'm not stupid, and your not talking to a brick wall. I just said that the more important issue in my mind is to not get your self in that shape to begin with. Take care of the ball better, and defend getting yourself burnt on big pass plays better. In most cases good defenses stop good offenses. Championships are won more with defense than offense, in my opinion anyways, especially at the high school level.
11-21-2009, 10:14 AM
Congrats Highlands
11-21-2009, 10:20 AM
whackem'n'stackem Wrote:[ . It seemed as if JC had already conceded defeat down 42-14 with a whole quarter to go they continue to run it up the gut and chew up the clock. What's up with that? Why even play the 4th quarter if you're not even going to try to get back in it. They didn't try a pass until 3minutes were left on the clock. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Highlands just let them continue to chew up the clock and shoot themselves in the foot. -whackemI have no doubt that you and those in your immediate vicinity were laughing and mocking Johnson Central. I also have no doubt that if JC had abandoned its running game and launched a few more interceptions in the 4th quarter, you and the people sitting near you would have laughed at and mocked JC. I am also sure that most other Highlands fans are graceful winners.
This is why you need a passing game. I could actually hear Highlands fans laughing and mocking the play calls. It was very humorous to see a team down 42-14 in such an important game, 4th qtr, running the ball. Seriously? Every team needs a passing game to some degree....:HitWall:
11-21-2009, 10:58 AM
I just want to give congrats to Highlands on a great game and good luck the next two weeks. As far as JC, I can say that I am proud of the Eagles. No one gave them a chance, and even had people saying to stay at home. We wouldn't even score on their first team! However, with a little over a minute until halftime we had played them even and were running at will on their first team. Thanks seniors for making this a memorable year instead of a forgettable one which could have happened after the first four games. Good luck Highlands and bring home another championship.:rockon:
11-21-2009, 11:03 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:I have no doubt that you and those in your immediate vicinity were laughing and mocking Johnson Central. I also have no doubt that if JC had abandoned its running game and launched a few more interceptions in the 4th quarter, you and the people sitting near you would have laughed at and mocked JC. I am also sure that most other Highlands fans are graceful winners.
They are. Don't let the few speak for the many. Congrats on a great season JC:Thumbs:
11-21-2009, 11:14 AM
cobra67 Wrote:Good Job Bluebirds! What a spanking.
It was a nice win.Why do you have to add spanking to it. One would think as many titles as you all have you would have more class.
11-21-2009, 11:22 AM
I wonder where the guy is who said JC would rush for over 400 yards on Highlands?
Total Yards:
Highlands-352
Johnson Central- 296
Austin Collinsworth was the star of this game though. 159 yards rushing on 14 carries and 3 td's. After the game, AC was also awarded the Paul Hornung Award which is given out annually to Kentucky's top football player. Congrats AC.
JC is going to have to get better in the passing game, both offensively and defensively, if they want to compete with and beat Highlands. One dimensional teams won't beat them.
Total Yards:
Highlands-352
Johnson Central- 296
Austin Collinsworth was the star of this game though. 159 yards rushing on 14 carries and 3 td's. After the game, AC was also awarded the Paul Hornung Award which is given out annually to Kentucky's top football player. Congrats AC.
JC is going to have to get better in the passing game, both offensively and defensively, if they want to compete with and beat Highlands. One dimensional teams won't beat them.
11-21-2009, 11:29 AM
Football Fool Wrote:It was a nice win.Why do you have to add spanking to it. One would think as many titles as you all have you would have more class.
Cobra is a BELFRY fan, I don't know how many titles they have!
11-21-2009, 11:51 AM
kywldcat01 Wrote:I wonder where the guy is who said JC would rush for over 400 yards on Highlands?
Total Yards:
Highlands-352
Johnson Central- 296
Austin Collinsworth was the star of this game though. 159 yards rushing on 14 carries and 3 td's. After the game, AC was also awarded the Paul Hornung Award which is given out annually to Kentucky's top football player. Congrats AC.
JC is going to have to get better in the passing game, both offensively and defensively, if they want to compete with and beat Highlands. One dimensional teams won't beat them.
I was wondering where are the ones are that said we should just stay home too...... lol
You mean the ones like Cincy St. X?....... and again,lol
Take Collinsworth out of the mix last night, as he has been at times this season while injured, and that one dimensional offense may very well have been all that was needed. Highlands is loaded with a ton of great players, but that may not have been enough. Not playing an "if" game here, just a hypothetical scenerio.
11-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Football Fool Wrote:It was a nice win.Why do you have to add spanking to it. One would think as many titles as you all have you would have more class.
I think the subject of class was addressed prior to the game with the way that the Highlands administration treated WSIP radio and their announcers. Removing them from the pressbox and not supplying them with player information was very disrespectful.
11-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:You mean the ones like Cincy St. X? lol:Thumbs: Warren Central won five straight 5A state championships in Indiana and they passed less than JC does. JC needs to develop a more effective deep passing game to compliment its running game when necessary but they do not need to pass more often. Warren Central's passes went for touchdowns more often than not but it was not unusual for them to have a game with zero pass attempts.
I agree with Matney, who says that the way for mountain teams to win state championships is to master a style that teams from other parts of the state do not see often during the regular season. With most of their key players returning next season, I think the Golden Eagles will have their best shot ever at a state title.
11-21-2009, 12:07 PM
kywldcat01 Wrote:I wonder where the guy is who said JC would rush for over 400 yards on Highlands?
Total Yards:
Highlands-352
Johnson Central- 296
Austin Collinsworth was the star of this game though. 159 yards rushing on 14 carries and 3 td's. After the game, AC was also awarded the Paul Hornung Award which is given out annually to Kentucky's top football player. Congrats AC.
JC is going to have to get better in the passing game, both offensively and defensively, if they want to compete with and beat Highlands. One dimensional teams won't beat them.
I'm right here. JC had a very respectable running game. Whats your point? They didn't quite hit 400 yards but hey Ill take 300 against a nationally ranked team. This Highlands defense is much improved over the past couple years.
11-21-2009, 12:08 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:I was wondering where are the ones are that said we should just stay home too...... lol
You mean the ones like Cincy St. X?....... and again,lol
Take Collinsworth out of the mix last night, as he has been at times this season while injured, and that one dimensional offense may very well have been all that was needed. Highlands is loaded with a ton of great players, but that may not have been enough. Not playing an "if" game here, just a hypothetical scenerio.
:Thumbs:
11-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote::Thumbs: Warren Central won five straight 5A state championships in Indiana and they passed less than JC does. JC needs to develop a [B]more effective deep passing game to compliment its running game when necessary [/B]but they do not need to pass more often. Warren Central's passes went for touchdowns more often than not but it was not unusual for them to have a game with zero pass attempts.
I agree with Matney, who says that the way for mountain teams to win state championships is to master a style that teams from other parts of the state do not see often during the regular season. With most of their key players returning next season, I think the Golden Eagles will have their best shot ever at a state title.
And that is exactly what we did with Tommy Taylor a couple of years ago. I believe he had something like 8 receptions that went for 8 TDs. When he has the personnel in place to do certain things, I dont think Matney has a problem utilizing them. I seem to remember at Sheldon Clark he set state records for passing attempts one season. Most of these Highlands or north Kentucky posters in general that know everything, really dont know enough about either him or his system to even comment on him/it.
I dont think at the high school level you can get to the point that you can have an effective passing game year after year after year. Teams like Highlands, St. X and Trinity may have those resourses, but 98% of high school programs are not able to do that season after season after season. Matney has enough sense to know that you can be very good every year, by doing what he is doing instead of going with a passing system that you can have extreme peaks and valley's with.
Yes I know that Highlands has great teams year after year after year, but lets also keep in mind that this is not the average Highlands team either. One has to remember that this team is also ranked in the top 10 in the country according to some polls. They are always good, but perhaps not this good. Let's not blame JC's lack of a passing game on something that everybody else has not been able to contend with either. Nobody still has been able to come up with an answer to my question, "what about Saint X" either.I still wonder about the hypothethical question of what would it have been like if Collinsworth was not able to have played in this one like he wasn't a couple of weeks ago? Nobody wants to answer that one as well.
11-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:I was wondering where are the ones are that said we should just stay home too...... lol
You mean the ones like Cincy St. X?....... and again,lol
Take Collinsworth out of the mix last night, as he has been at times this season while injured, and that one dimensional offense may very well have been all that was needed. Highlands is loaded with a ton of great players, but that may not have been enough. Not playing an "if" game here, just a hypothetical scenerio.
Highlands was up 42-14 and JC added a late score on Highlands SECOND TEAM DEFENSE. Usually when a team loses by 3 or more td's, that's not exactly a close game...especially when you give up 42 points. Credit JC for playing with Highlands for a half, but that's why they play two halves.
With or without Collinsworth, Highlands still would've won last night. Highlands defense was the difference. They bent but didn't break, while Highlands offense did whatever they wanted against the JC defense.
The difference between a team like Highlands and JC is you can take away a player like AC and still win because you have players like Will Bardo and Tyler Fennell to step in for him. Both would start for ANY team in Kentucky.
Want proof Highlands is just as good without AC?
Highlands 37 Ryle 14 (With Collinsworth and Bardo)
Highlands 31 Ryle 14 (Without AC, Towles at QB, Bardo at RB)
And I know you aren't trying to compare your team to Cincy St. X. They would destroy JC.
Matman Wrote:I'm right here. JC had a very respectable running game. Whats your point? They didn't quite hit 400 yards but hey Ill take 300 against a nationally ranked team. This Highlands defense is much improved over the past couple years.
My point is, your statement of saying JC would rush for 400 yards against Highlands D was very inaccurate. I do agree though that Highlands defense is much improved from years past.
11-21-2009, 12:31 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:I still wonder about the hypothethical question of what would it have been like if Collinsworth was not able to have played in this one like he wasn't a couple of weeks ago?
Highlands wins this game with or without AC. IF he isn't carrying the rock, you have Bardo or Fennell back there. Bardo is just as elusive and fast as Collinsworth, while also being bigger at 6'4.
That's the difference between Highlands and a team like JC....Highlands has the depth and talent to make up for a loss like that.
And for the record, Collinsworth could have played the weeks he was out with the injury. He initially was hurt in the first half of a game but finished with the injury. The only reason he was kept out the next two weeks was as a precaution. AC was medically cleared to play.
11-21-2009, 12:34 PM
whackem'n'stackem Wrote:I give credit where credit is due and call out the same way. The Eagles impressed, but the cheap stuff I could've done without.
I didn't see anymore than a normal game. Going by the Ryle standard, this game was 99 44/100% clean. Get kids that fired up and there's going to be a little talk going on after the hits. Not an issue.
11-21-2009, 12:35 PM
Great job Highlands, good season JC, tough to face them at anytime!!!
11-21-2009, 12:36 PM
kywldcat01 Wrote:[B]Highlands wins this game with or without AC[/B]. IF he isn't carrying the rock, you have Bardo or Fennell back there. Bardo is just as elusive and fast as Collinsworth, while also being bigger at 6'4.
That's the difference between Highlands and a team like JC....Highlands has the depth and talent to make up for a loss like that.
And for the record, Collinsworth could have played the weeks he was out with the injury. He initially was hurt in the first half of a game but finished with the injury. The only reason he was kept out the next two weeks was as a precaution. AC was medically cleared to play.
Wackem Stackem ,I believe made the comment that he did not think they would have. Check his post. I believe he is a Highlands fan, right? I also believe you are a CovCath fan, right? This is his exact quote "Highlands would definately not won without AC tonight". Now counter that one.
And for the record, that means what? For whatever record your trying to make stuff up for, the fact is he didn't play, did he?
11-21-2009, 12:41 PM
How does a school like Highlands get so many good players ? Where do they come from ?
11-21-2009, 12:42 PM
Being the son of a famous athlete gets you good pub and negative pub. People have their thoughts about a kid no matter what the course. I am glad that AC is not getting blasted or His dad is getting blasted!! With or without AC Highlands is a powerhouse and very respected in the football circle!!!
Great job HIGHLANDS and continue to roll, make the 3A schools happy that you are not playing in 3A and keep up the good work in 5A!!!!!
Great job HIGHLANDS and continue to roll, make the 3A schools happy that you are not playing in 3A and keep up the good work in 5A!!!!!
11-21-2009, 12:43 PM
kywldcat01 Wrote:Highlands was up 42-14 and JC added a late score on Highlands SECOND TEAM DEFENSE. Usually when a team loses by 3 or more td's, that's not exactly a close game...especially when you give up 42 points. Credit JC for playing with Highlands for a half, but that's why they play two halves.
With or without Collinsworth, Highlands still would've won last night. Highlands defense was the difference. They bent but didn't break, while Highlands offense did whatever they wanted against the JC defense.
The difference between a team like Highlands and JC is you can take away a player like AC and still win because you have players like Will Bardo and Tyler Fennell to step in for him. Both would start for ANY team in Kentucky.
[COLOR="Red"]Want proof Highlands is just as good without AC?
Highlands 37 Ryle 14 (With Collinsworth and Bardo)
Highlands 31 Ryle 14 (Without AC, Towles at QB, Bardo at RB)
And I know you aren't trying to compare your team to Cincy St. X. They would destroy JC. [/COLOR]
My point is, your statement of saying JC would rush for 400 yards against Highlands D was very inaccurate. I do agree though that Highlands defense is much improved from years past.
Your pretty lame with this stuff, aren't you? That says they won without him against Ryle, and that's all that says. How does any of that imply they would have won without him against JC? JC has had Dillion out as well against certain teams for most of the season and still won. That's not a very good arguement your trying to make here.
Oh they would, huh? X only scored 7 on HHS didn't they? They had trouble with our run game, what makes you think they wouldn't?
11-21-2009, 12:49 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Wackem Stackem I beleive made the comment that he did not think they would have. Check his post. I believe he is a Highlands fan, right? I also believe you are a CovCath fan, right?
And for the record, that means what? For whatever record your trying to make stuff up for, the fact is he didn't play, did he?
Covcath fan? :dontthink
You may want to do a little research there bud...I'm far from a Covcath fan. Anyone who knows me personally knows I follow two teams: Holmes and Highlands.
And wack'em is a "converted Highlands fan."
Like I said before, with our without Collinsworth Highlands still wins this game. JC couldn't put up enough points on the board to beat Highlands. Will Bardo is just as good of a running back as Collinsworth. The proof is in the scores:
Highlands 37 Ryle 14 (WITH AC AND BARDO)
Highlands 31 Ryle 14 (WITHOUT AC....Bardo/Fennell splitting carries at RB)
And do you not realize JC didn't even face the same team that beat X? Let's not forget that Highlands original QB was Bardo and AC was the featured back. JC lost to Highlands with their BACKUP qb. Again, the depth that Highlands has it what separates them from JC.
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