[vector#1]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Not according to Elon

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211...ther-myths

TRT ask where his money is coming from now ? His dad was some king of engineer don't know much about his finances but do know one thing without federal money Musk would have a hard time staying in business today.

[Hoot Gibson]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

[Hoot Gibson]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Not according to Elon

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211...ther-myths

The truth doesn't matter to liberals. Some of them even think that the federal government has given Musk the money that has made him so wealthy.

[Cardfan1]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

Musk is a socialist. He receives the benefits of America’s.  He and Bernie don’t get along because Elon is protecting his wallet, but they both love some socialism. A couple of facts about Elon from Bernie. 

“Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else.”

“We are in a moment in American history where two guys - Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos - own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people in this country," Senator Bernie Sanders 

Good. Head on out. Maybe head on to space.  If he is gonna hoard billions and act like he makes 40k a year to evade taxes, I could care less where he goes.

[Hoot Gibson]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

Musk is a socialist. He receives the benefits of America’s.  He and Bernie don’t get along because Elon is protecting his wallet, but they both love some socialism. A couple of facts about Elon from Bernie. 

“Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else.”

“We are in a moment in American history where two guys - Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos - own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people in this country," Senator Bernie Sanders 

Good. Head on out. Maybe head on to space.  If he is gonna hoard billions and act like he makes 40k a year to evade taxes, I could care less where he goes.

Wow. Attacking an American hero and quoting a crooked politician who has never worked an honest day in his life.   How many houses does Bernie the deadbeat own now? It is strange how somebody who believes Elon Musk doesn't pay his fair share has no concern about whether Pedo Joe has reported his income from bribes over the past few decades.

[Cardfan1]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

Musk is a socialist. He receives the benefits of America’s.  He and Bernie don’t get along because Elon is protecting his wallet, but they both love some socialism. A couple of facts about Elon from Bernie. 

“Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else.”

“We are in a moment in American history where two guys - Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos - own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people in this country," Senator Bernie Sanders 

Good. Head on out. Maybe head on to space.  If he is gonna hoard billions and act like he makes 40k a year to evade taxes, I could care less where he goes.

Wow. Attacking an American hero and quoting a crooked politician who has never worked an honest day in his life.   How many houses does Bernie the deadbeat own now? It is strange how somebody who believes Elon Musk doesn't pay his fair share has no concern about whether Pedo Joe has reported his income from bribes over the past few decades.

Hero? exactly the problem wealth worship while we have millions of Americans in poverty. 
of course you worship Trump so I already knew that elevator doesn’t go to the top. 

you are the best at weak fallacies.  Bernie is worth $3 million absolutely in the range to need more taxes.
BUT  Musk is worth $196 Billion.

 You can do math.  You realize those are not in the same solar system. 
So stop with dishonest comparison.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/un-chief...ace-2021-9

“United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told other world leaders the billionaires created "a malady of mistrust."
He pointed to Jeff Bezos' and Richard Bransons' flights into space as a sign of massive disparity between the rich and the poor.”

Musk would have been on his list.

[Hoot Gibson]

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

Musk is a socialist. He receives the benefits of America’s.  He and Bernie don’t get along because Elon is protecting his wallet, but they both love some socialism. A couple of facts about Elon from Bernie. 

“Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else.”

“We are in a moment in American history where two guys - Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos - own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people in this country," Senator Bernie Sanders 

Good. Head on out. Maybe head on to space.  If he is gonna hoard billions and act like he makes 40k a year to evade taxes, I could care less where he goes.

Wow. Attacking an American hero and quoting a crooked politician who has never worked an honest day in his life.   How many houses does Bernie the deadbeat own now? It is strange how somebody who believes Elon Musk doesn't pay his fair share has no concern about whether Pedo Joe has reported his income from bribes over the past few decades.

Hero? exactly the problem wealth worship while we have millions of Americans in poverty. 
of course you worship Trump so I already knew that elevator doesn’t go to the top. 

you are the best at weak fallacies.  Bernie is worth $3 million absolutely in the range to need more taxes.
BUT  Musk is worth $196 Billion.

 You can do math.  You realize those are not in the same solar system. 
So stop with dishonest comparison.

---

https://www.businessinsider.com/un-chief...ace-2021-9

“United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told other world leaders the billionaires created "a malady of mistrust."
He pointed to Jeff Bezos' and Richard Bransons' flights into space as a sign of massive disparity between the rich and the poor.”

Musk would have been on his list.

Too many people in this country think the crooked communists like Bernie Sanders and his buddies at the U.N. are people deserving of respect. They would have nothing without stealing from other people. Musk is a hero. Bernie is less than a zero.

[jetpilot]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

You mean like Obama, Bernie, Biden, the Clintons and Algore plus all the Dems in Congress who have 5 houses each, couldn't run a lemonade stand and want socialism for the rest of us and you worship them and believe every lie they spew?

[Cardfan1]

For most patriotic Americans, the American dream has never changed. Anybody who does not understand the traditional American dream should look up the term and familiarize themselves with the concept.

Elon Musk rose from a modest home who worked odd jobs and lived with a cousin in Canada as a young adult to become one of the world's wealthiest people who provides high-paying jobs to thousands of Americans. His wealth was not the result of making anybody else poor. Liberals' wealth envy and hatred of people who have overcome the same obstacles that face many poor people to become wealthy never ceases to amaze me. They truly do prefer spreading misery equally because they see wealthy entrepreneurs like Elon Musk as objects to be hated and robbed through high income tax rates.

modest means?  

delusional. 

Musk’s father was a millionaire. He went to Wharton like your Orange dream Hoot.  

Patriotic Americans would pay their taxes. I find it hard to refer to anyone like Musk, Trump, Bezos, or any other billionaire tax-evader as a patriot while Americans who make a fraction of them pay more taxes than them and their corporations. 

start paying your taxes and helping this nation and I’ll be excited about your rockets. 

this wealth worship is unhealthy.

You mean like Obama, Bernie, Biden, the Clintons and Algore plus all the Dems in Congress who have 5 houses each, couldn't run a lemonade stand and want socialism for the rest of us and you worship them and believe every lie they spew?

They are rich they and their GOP counterparts already receive the benefits of socialist welfare.  The difference is Americans need the help of Billionaires and politicians don't.

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Fomenting hate for successful people is not only unhealthy, but it is also extremely dangerous. Elon Musk will be remembered as one of America's great pioneers. Musk is a hard-working genius who has revolutionized multiple industries. He created the wealth that is the source of your hatred for him and employs thousands of Americans in high-paying jobs. The future of the human race will be decided by people like Musk, not by the socialists who would like to strip him of the wealth that he has accumulated during an amazing career. Musk has succeeded despite the idiotic politicians and their avid supporters taking potshots at him. He has lived the American dream.

Musk could easily get fed up with the worsening business climate in this country and move his operations anywhere in the world and he would still be successful. This country is very lucky that he chose to live and work here.

Musk is a socialist. He receives the benefits of America’s.  He and Bernie don’t get along because Elon is protecting his wallet, but they both love some socialism. A couple of facts about Elon from Bernie. 

“Every time Elon Musk pokes fun at government assistance for the 99%, remember that he would be worth nothing without $4.9 billion in corporate welfare. Oh, Elon just l-o-v-e-s corporate socialism for himself, rugged capitalism for everyone else.”

“We are in a moment in American history where two guys - Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos - own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people in this country," Senator Bernie Sanders 

Good. Head on out. Maybe head on to space.  If he is gonna hoard billions and act like he makes 40k a year to evade taxes, I could care less where he goes.

Wow. Attacking an American hero and quoting a crooked politician who has never worked an honest day in his life.   How many houses does Bernie the deadbeat own now? It is strange how somebody who believes Elon Musk doesn't pay his fair share has no concern about whether Pedo Joe has reported his income from bribes over the past few decades.

Hero? exactly the problem wealth worship while we have millions of Americans in poverty. 
of course you worship Trump so I already knew that elevator doesn’t go to the top. 

you are the best at weak fallacies.  Bernie is worth $3 million absolutely in the range to need more taxes.
BUT  Musk is worth $196 Billion.

 You can do math.  You realize those are not in the same solar system. 
So stop with dishonest comparison.

---

https://www.businessinsider.com/un-chief...ace-2021-9

“United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told other world leaders the billionaires created "a malady of mistrust."
He pointed to Jeff Bezos' and Richard Bransons' flights into space as a sign of massive disparity between the rich and the poor.”

Musk would have been on his list.

Too many people in this country think the crooked communists like Bernie Sanders and his buddies at the U.N. are people deserving of respect. They would have nothing without stealing from other people. Musk is a hero. Bernie is less than a zero.

Heroes fight for those who can't help themselves.  Which of these folks we're talking about does that?  

Hoarding billions of dollars and building flying gadgets is more reminiscent of a supervillain.  

Bernie Sanders isn't a communist.  You boys need to go back to freshman social studies class.

[jetpilot]

^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

[Cardfan1]

^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

[jetpilot]

^^^Weak + creepy

[Cardfan1]

^^^Weak + creepy

Are you with Hoot and defending these guys who were born with silver spoons in their mouths, had the best educations, and have taken advantage of govt. handouts to help them make billions; you're ok they pay fewer taxes than you? 

Come on, JP.  I get the partisan lines and all, but all these guys are stiffing the nation that is giving them a hell of a lot of breaks.

[jetpilot]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

[TheRealThing]

^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

[Cardfan1]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

Is half the country on welfare? 

If that is true, you don’t see a problem with 50 % of the nation qualifying for welfare? 

also these Musk and Bezos have as much as 40% of the nation.  You have to make around 120k a year to get out of that 40%.   You ok with that too?

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^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

obviously not…I do know the difference between socialism, communism, capitalism, and other ideals.  

TRt don’t even chime in. You love your socialism when it can go the fossil fuel industry.

[TheRealThing]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

Is half the country on welfare? 

If that is true, you don’t see a problem with 50 % of the nation qualifying for welfare? 

also these Musk and Bezos have as much as 40% of the nation.  You have to make around 120k a year to get out of that 40%.   You ok with that too?

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^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

obviously not…I do know the difference between socialism, communism, capitalism, and other ideals.  

TRt don’t even chime in. You love your socialism when it can go the fossil fuel industry.

Sorry pal, you're clueless. There is no real difference between socialism and communism any more than there is a difference between the 4 stages of cancer. Socialism is stage one and two, communism is stage 3 and 4. Every time end of story, and you will be among the first to sing a different tune when the realization hits the Cardfan supper table.

[The Outsider]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture. :huh:

[vector#1]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

It's that called corporate socialism ?

[Hoot Gibson]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

[Cardfan1]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

Is half the country on welfare? 

If that is true, you don’t see a problem with 50 % of the nation qualifying for welfare? 

also these Musk and Bezos have as much as 40% of the nation.  You have to make around 120k a year to get out of that 40%.   You ok with that too?

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^Bernie is a hero and Musk is a supervillain. Spoken like a true socialist. Comical but totally predictable.

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

obviously not…I do know the difference between socialism, communism, capitalism, and other ideals.  

TRt don’t even chime in. You love your socialism when it can go the fossil fuel industry.

Sorry pal, you're clueless. There is no real difference between socialism and communism any more than there is a difference between the 4 stages of cancer. Socialism is stage one and two, communism is stage 3 and 4. Every time end of story, and you will be among the first to sing a different tune when the realization hits the Cardfan supper table.

Wrong 
as usual.

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Funny coming from somebody enjoying socialism.

[TheRealThing]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

Is half the country on welfare? 

If that is true, you don’t see a problem with 50 % of the nation qualifying for welfare? 

also these Musk and Bezos have as much as 40% of the nation.  You have to make around 120k a year to get out of that 40%.   You ok with that too?

---

6th grade Social Studies for you , JP.  

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

obviously not…I do know the difference between socialism, communism, capitalism, and other ideals.  

TRt don’t even chime in. You love your socialism when it can go the fossil fuel industry.

Sorry pal, you're clueless. There is no real difference between socialism and communism any more than there is a difference between the 4 stages of cancer. Socialism is stage one and two, communism is stage 3 and 4. Every time end of story, and you will be among the first to sing a different tune when the realization hits the Cardfan supper table.

Wrong 
as usual.

---

Funny coming from somebody enjoying socialism.

Yes you are.

[Cardfan1]

^^^Haha just call me crazy I guess but give me a few Elon Musks and you can have the half of the country that's on welfare...

Is half the country on welfare? 

If that is true, you don’t see a problem with 50 % of the nation qualifying for welfare? 

also these Musk and Bezos have as much as 40% of the nation.  You have to make around 120k a year to get out of that 40%.   You ok with that too?

---

You must have bailed out along about the 4th grade. Jetpilot is exactly right. And history backs him up 100%.

obviously not…I do know the difference between socialism, communism, capitalism, and other ideals.  

TRt don’t even chime in. You love your socialism when it can go the fossil fuel industry.

Sorry pal, you're clueless. There is no real difference between socialism and communism any more than there is a difference between the 4 stages of cancer. Socialism is stage one and two, communism is stage 3 and 4. Every time end of story, and you will be among the first to sing a different tune when the realization hits the Cardfan supper table.

Wrong 
as usual.

---

Funny coming from somebody enjoying socialism.

Yes you are.

How is that SOCIAL SECURITY?!

[The Outsider]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

[Hoot Gibson]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

[TheRealThing]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

None of these guys have an opinion. They parrot stuff off of Mother Jones and Maddow and Anderson etc. etc.

[Hoot Gibson]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

None of these guys have an opinion. They parrot stuff off of Mother Jones and Maddow and Anderson etc. etc.

I agree. When links are posted without comments, I assume that the poster has not taken time to read them himself - so I generally don't take time to read them either. I almost never post a link without comment and without an excerpt.

[Cardfan1]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

[Hoot Gibson]

Musk paid 0 in federal income tax in 2018 and then received almost $100,000,000 in federal money for his internet venture.

That's quite an allegation. Is there any evidence that Elon Musk paid no federal income taxes in 2018 and that Elon Musk received almost $100,000,000 for "his" internet venture? If so, how did that dastardly scoundrel justify the windfall and escape the clutches of the IRS? I'm just curious.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paid-0-in-federal-income-tax-in-2018-report-1847051810

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/08/bezos-musk-buffett-bloomberg-icahn-and-soros-pay-little-in-taxes.html

https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/sta...-fund.html

So, Musk is following our tax law and has paid well over a billion dollars in income taxes ($1.4 million on $6.5 billion of income from 2006 through 2018 alone) but it is not enough. To make Musk into a bigger deadbeat, liberals have concocted a "true tax rate," which combines Musk's taxable income with the increase in the value of his stock holdings for the same time period. The "true tax rate" is nonsense intended to demonize wealthy Americans who are just following the law. Musk pays taxes on income as he sells his stock, which means that in some years, he has very little reportable income, and in other years he pays many millions of dollars in taxes.

As for the federal money paid to Musk's Starlink, anybody who has a beef with the federal government determining that Starlink can provide cost-effective internet to rural users should take up the issue with their elected officials. It is very expensive to provide terrestrial infrastructure to provide internet service in sparsely populated areas of the country. The same is true for mobile phone service. The Slate article that you posted decries the fact that poor people will not be able to afford the cost of a satellite dish and the monthly subscription for the service. My suggestion is for those poor people to learn to program or to perform another marketable service to pay for good internet service. Starlink will offer many people the opportunity to telework from home - from an area with a lower cost of living, cleaner air, and better views than their city counterparts. When you factor in the potential savings for telecommuters and the environmental benefits, Starlink's cost is a tremendous bargain.

Musk is a visionary who has risked his fortune several times on unproven technologies that nobody else had tried to develop on a commercial scale. Tesla is now the world's most valuable automobile manufacturer. Other Musk companies are on the cutting edge of technologies in batteries, tunneling, reusable rockets, and satellite-linked internet. The jobs that these companies created did not exist before Musk came along because he pioneered commercial development of each of the technologies.

Dislike Musk all you want. He sounds like a horrible guy to have as an immediate boss, but Musk is still an American hero. He has not grown wealthy through government subsidies or through hostile takeovers of competing companies. He has not grown wealthy by becoming a crooked elected official exploiting insider information and extorting payments from wealth creators. Musk has created innovative products and technologies and has overcome an extreme amount of bureaucratic red tape in the process.

The argument is the law.  The tax code is wrong and when common Conservatives hold up the GOP platform they vote against what is best for America.  

I agree Musk is a visionary.  Not an American Hero just a billionaire businessman like Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, Buffet (I'm sure you wouldn't call those guys American heroes, Hoot)   Musk is a man who has benefitted from our failure to hold the rich accountable.  That responsibility falls on the politicians we elect and it turns out both sides are guilty of putting crooked poltiicians in office.

You are dead wrong, Cardfan1. I don't value people based on their political beliefs. I disagree with Bezos on nearly all of his political positions, but I consider him as much a hero as Elon Musk. Bezos created his wealth in a market that he created through his own efforts. Musk and Bezos share a very optimistic vision of the future that involves developing commercial ventures throughout the Solar System and beyond, including human colonies to ensure that our species does not become extinct as the result of a global disaster.

As for Gates, Bloomberg, and Buffet, I have much more respect for them most politicians in either party. I don't consider them to be on the same level as Musk and Bezos because much of their wealth has come at the expense of eliminating competition and destroying jobs, but they have all been positives for the American economy.

You and your ilk look at wealthy men like Musk and Bezos as demons who have become wealthy by depriving others of their wealth, which is almost never how rich people accumulate their wealth. I recognize the monumental contributions to our economy and society that such men make. I am perfectly comfortable criticizing Bezos's political agenda while admiring and respecting his positive contributions to this world. You cannot seem to get past the fact that Musk is not a liberal and he has more money than you would see in a thousand lifetimes.

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