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03-01-2006, 12:15 AM
And that tape was from the visitor's side nest. The Ashland film from the other side of the stadium showed the ball clearly wide right. The reason for this is geometry. Kicks look different from each sideline because of the angles you look at them. That's why it looks as though extra points are off all the time when they're right down the pipe.
Watch the film again and you'll see the all of the Ashland players on the field are celebrating and almost all of the JC players have their head downs walking off the field until they see the reaction from their sideline that thought the kick was good. The entire Ashland sideline and stands errupted as well because from their view it was wide.
Any knowledgable football fan knows that kicks are extremely skewed when looking from the sideline. The only way to definitively tell whether a kick was good or not from the sideline is to see either the ball pass in front of or behind the upright. In this case the ball was above the upright as it passed the post so to think you can call a kick from the sideline is ridiculous. It's ludacris to think you have a better angle from 40 yards wide and 60 yards deep than someone standing directly underneath the post whose only job in that situation is to tell whether the ball passed on one side or the other.
Watch the film again and you'll see the all of the Ashland players on the field are celebrating and almost all of the JC players have their head downs walking off the field until they see the reaction from their sideline that thought the kick was good. The entire Ashland sideline and stands errupted as well because from their view it was wide.
Any knowledgable football fan knows that kicks are extremely skewed when looking from the sideline. The only way to definitively tell whether a kick was good or not from the sideline is to see either the ball pass in front of or behind the upright. In this case the ball was above the upright as it passed the post so to think you can call a kick from the sideline is ridiculous. It's ludacris to think you have a better angle from 40 yards wide and 60 yards deep than someone standing directly underneath the post whose only job in that situation is to tell whether the ball passed on one side or the other.
03-01-2006, 05:41 AM
JCHS has had many, many games called worse than that Ashland game.
When Central visited Tolsia (WV) a few years ago, for example. I was there. I nearly cried. The Eagles racked up over 200 yards in penalties, most on holding calls that I think only happen in Southern West Virginia. We still won by a large margin, but we could've set National Federation high school records that game if playing anywhere else.
And then there was Central at Bell County in the 1997 playoffs. I have watched this game tape so many times I can't count. Central was leading with two minutes left, and the Bobcat QB throws an airball that bounces in the mud to the receiver on the ground. The officials rule this a completed pass. I have rewound and rewound again, and the ball always bounces. But what can you expect on Log Mountain?
Central has also occasionally been the beneficiary on some horrible calls. The 1997 onside kick against Sheldon Clark that spurred the comeback victory? I got the game tape from WYMT on that one right here. I've watched it a hundred times. Every time, that ball goes eight yards before it's recovered. Occasionally, the Eagles do catch a break. But not very often.
When Central visited Tolsia (WV) a few years ago, for example. I was there. I nearly cried. The Eagles racked up over 200 yards in penalties, most on holding calls that I think only happen in Southern West Virginia. We still won by a large margin, but we could've set National Federation high school records that game if playing anywhere else.
And then there was Central at Bell County in the 1997 playoffs. I have watched this game tape so many times I can't count. Central was leading with two minutes left, and the Bobcat QB throws an airball that bounces in the mud to the receiver on the ground. The officials rule this a completed pass. I have rewound and rewound again, and the ball always bounces. But what can you expect on Log Mountain?
Central has also occasionally been the beneficiary on some horrible calls. The 1997 onside kick against Sheldon Clark that spurred the comeback victory? I got the game tape from WYMT on that one right here. I've watched it a hundred times. Every time, that ball goes eight yards before it's recovered. Occasionally, the Eagles do catch a break. But not very often.
03-01-2006, 12:06 PM
1995 Pikeville - Belfry game. Two minutes to go in the game. Belfry down 6-0,
they drive 80 yards on five consecutive pass interferance penalties (two of these passses were intercepted) and score the winning touchdown. Officials were from the Ashland area.
they drive 80 yards on five consecutive pass interferance penalties (two of these passses were intercepted) and score the winning touchdown. Officials were from the Ashland area.
03-01-2006, 01:21 PM
this therad should be closed rock 60 had one like this and it got closed wat is the difference
03-01-2006, 02:40 PM
È Wrote:this therad should be closed rock 60 had one like this and it got closed wat is the difference
1. This thread has not broken any rules and is staying completely on topic. Everyone is posting mature, informative, factual, posts. They are leaving the name calling and personal attacks out and discussing their differences of opinions.:Thumbs:
2. The other one was closed because an administrator/moderator felt it necessary due to rule violations.
:rules:
Hope that answers your question. :big grin:
03-01-2006, 06:37 PM
fball13 Wrote:1995 Pikeville - Belfry game. Two minutes to go in the game. Belfry down 6-0,
they drive 80 yards on five consecutive pass interferance penalties (two of these passses were intercepted) and score the winning touchdown. Officials were from the Ashland area.
There wasn't an 80 yard drive anywhere that game, and no interceptions, let alone 5 pass interferences (there were 3).
Any other falsehoods you wanna throw out there?

03-01-2006, 08:48 PM
2 years ago at magoffin, magoffin vs east ridge, which was hardly the fault of the ref, but a very bad called game, fog set in and you couldn't see anything, but magoffin center was almost ready to snap the ball but b4 he moved it the nose guard smack it out of his hand and the ref called a fumble and gave it to east ridge almost causing magoffin the game......
03-09-2006, 02:00 AM
They ar bad calls every game and every ref makes mistakes. I think the only bad called games are the ones that cost the team the win
03-10-2006, 01:02 AM
2001 Hatfield/McCoy All Star Game. Kentucky held WV to 62 yards of total offense and P-Burg's Matt Slone ran in a 2 point conversion that would have gave Kentucky the win but the officals said he didn't cross the plane. His entire body from his knees up were across the line. That was a very bad call. Anyone who was there will agree. People in the stands were yelling at the score keeper to add on the 2 point conversion because nobody even thought the offical gave a signal it was so clear he was in.
03-12-2006, 10:51 PM
[quote author=BigSlick link=topic=19512.msg200077#msg200077 date=1141169905]
If you are going to tell this story, at least get it right. My son played on that Belfry team and I remember it quite well.
Pikeville led 6-0, and got an unsportsman-like conduct called on them after they went for it on 4th and 3, which put Belfry in position to score. Belfry through a post route and this was the only questionable pass interference call of the drive, IMO, but it wasn't a bad call by any means. It really could have gone either way. If it were a no-call the game would have been over, but it wasn't. ÃÂ Pikeville then proceded to get two obvious pass interference calls before Belfry thru a 7 yard TD pass in the left corner of the endzone.
After the PAT, Belfry goes home 7-6 winners in the wildest ending I have ever seen.
[/quote]I was wrong about the score my bad but I do know that Hillard took that tape to the KHSAA and they agreed with him and I was at the game and I was at the game and the only obvious one was the last one.
PantherPride68 Wrote:the second worst would have to be Pikeville at Belfry in '95. Where Pikeville got 3-4 pass interference penalties called against them on Belfrys final drive with Pikeville leading 13-7. Belfry gets set up at the 1 yard line and punches it in and wins 14-13. Hillard takes the tape to the KHSAA, and they reviewed it and told him only one of those Pass interference penalties was actuall pass interference and that was when our db got mad and threw the Belfry player down before the ball got there out of frustration which set them up at the 1. The kid told me after the game that the ref was going to call PI anyway so he may as well earn it.
If you are going to tell this story, at least get it right. My son played on that Belfry team and I remember it quite well.
Pikeville led 6-0, and got an unsportsman-like conduct called on them after they went for it on 4th and 3, which put Belfry in position to score. Belfry through a post route and this was the only questionable pass interference call of the drive, IMO, but it wasn't a bad call by any means. It really could have gone either way. If it were a no-call the game would have been over, but it wasn't. ÃÂ Pikeville then proceded to get two obvious pass interference calls before Belfry thru a 7 yard TD pass in the left corner of the endzone.
After the PAT, Belfry goes home 7-6 winners in the wildest ending I have ever seen.
[/quote]I was wrong about the score my bad but I do know that Hillard took that tape to the KHSAA and they agreed with him and I was at the game and I was at the game and the only obvious one was the last one.
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